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MooDoomorning all07:02
shaunotrying to navigate a phone menu in dutch :/  considering it's supposed to be one of the closest related languages to english, I haven't heard a single sound I recognise yet07:08
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StrangeNoisesso, anyone else getting this or know how to fix it?: On Saucy, using Firefox, Youtube audio is disabled and un-turn-onnable (shows speaker+X in the player) but other flash audio works just fine, eg: bbc news/iplayer07:57
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czajkows1ialoha08:06
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bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:09
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy World Post Day! :-D08:11
MooDoomorning James bigcalm08:11
JamesTaitHey MooDoo, bigcalm! :)08:13
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SuperMattmorning all08:22
Myrtticzajkowski: ping08:26
MooDoomorning SuperMatt czajkowski Myrtti08:27
MyrttiMooDoo: moin08:27
* DJones emails JamesTait a Happy world post day card08:27
SuperMattwould it be all right if I fell asleep here?08:28
MooDooSuperMatt: yes08:29
SuperMattawesome08:29
SuperMattnobody tell my boss, ok?08:30
czajkowskiMyrtti: pong08:31
JamesTaitDJones, aw, thanks. :)08:34
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MyrttiI can't make head or tails of DVLA website09:25
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brobostigongood morning everyone,09:32
BigRedS_Good Morning!09:43
MooDoomorning09:43
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SuperMattmorning morning morning09:48
SuperMattthere's a lot of morninging going on today09:48
Laneythat wednesday feeling09:51
brobostigonmorning BigRedS and MooDoo and SuperMatt09:52
SuperMattwhat we need is some crunchies for that friday feeling09:52
SuperMattexcept I don't want chocolate because I've lost 4lbs this week09:52
brobostigonand i cant have milk chocolate due to my diary allergies.09:54
SuperMattI have problems with diaries too09:54
SuperMattpeople keep stealing them and mocking me for having feelings09:54
MooDooSuperMatt: shall we just put you down now ;)09:55
SuperMattgo ahead :(09:55
MooDooSuperMatt: come on dude I was teasing, keep ya chin up :)09:56
phillipshumthere's always soya09:57
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davmor2Morning all09:57
MooDoomorning davmor209:57
davmor2Morning MooDoo how's life treatin ya09:58
MooDoodavmor2: thanks, it's going ok at the moment09:58
czajkowskiALOHA09:59
* czajkowski tickles davmor2 09:59
davmor2MooDoo: make the scary woman go away09:59
davmor2czajkowski: Now knowing I'm not ticklish what the hell is the point in that ;)10:00
bigcalmIt's affectionate10:01
davmor2czajkowski: how's life?10:01
czajkowskibetter than scowling!10:01
czajkowskidavmor2: busy and good10:01
czajkowskiparis and munich this weekend10:01
davmor2bigcalm: more like harassment :D10:01
bigcalmem: ping10:02
davmor2czajkowski: I don't believe you :P  you can't be in those two places at the same time10:02
czajkowskiback for a week then off to italy,10:02
czajkowskithen ireland for a week and NYC, Toronto to see my godson then I'm back to collect Bash :)10:02
bigcalmThought you had Bash already10:04
bigcalmHe looks cute10:04
MooDoodavmor2: it can't be czajkowski you're talking about, she's wonderful :)10:04
brobostigonany suggestions for a combined imap/smtp server ?10:04
bigcalmgmail10:05
* bigcalm hides10:06
davmor2brobostigon: postfix10:07
brobostigondavmor2: i am just researching that one.10:07
davmor2brobostigon: look at the server guide it lists a couple10:07
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davmor2brobostigon: tell you how to install them and gives you a whole bunch of links to more docs10:08
brobostigonthank you davmor210:08
MooDoobrobostigon: what about simbra isn't that one too?10:09
brobostigonMooDoo: thats a new one to me.10:10
MooDoohttp://www.zimbra.com/10:10
davmor2brobostigon: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/email-services.html dovecot is the bit that makes the imap retrieval easy10:10
davmor2MooDoo: I was gonna say Zimbra :)10:10
brobostigondavmor2: i just :)10:10
brobostigonlet me look.10:11
mgdmI use Postfix for SMTP and Dovecot for IMAP, which is pretty easy to set up on Ubuntu10:11
mgdmZimbra is a bit... heavier :-)10:11
davmor2zimbra is basically an outlook replacement isn't it10:12
MooDooit's a complete solution not just a client.10:12
bigcalmA complete server iirc10:13
bigcalmIn the same vein as mythbuntu10:13
davmor2mgdm: when you say a bit heavier, is that like comparing a mouse and an elephant and saying the elephant is a bit heavier?10:15
mgdmdavmor2: yeah, except the elephant grew up on Jupiter, so it's a lot more dense than it would be if it came from Earth...10:16
davmor2MooDoo: yeah I meant it was all the services and a web frontend that replicates what you get in outlook there is a client for it too I think so you can have the full mock outlook experience :)10:17
brobostigoncitadel seems packaged and in the repos, unlike zimbra.10:18
awilkinsI can mock Outlook without installing a server10:18
awilkinsBut the sad part is that it's still better than Thunderbird10:18
davmor2awilkins: I preferred evolution but everyone else seemed to have issues with it :(10:19
awilkinsYou'd think that Thunderbird + GMail would be a killer combo10:20
awilkinsBut it still doesn't work properly10:20
awilkinsThings like searching for mail and you get double hits for everything10:20
BigRedSI've just switched to Tbird last week10:22
BigRedSthe search in general is a bit odd, just for normal imap accounts10:22
davmor2I still hate that fact that if I want to have the same setup on more than one machine I have to copy a folder of multiple GB over instead of the setting of a few hundred MB  and then to top it off it ignores the fact that you have a folder full of email and proceeds to down load them all again grrrrrrr10:24
BigRedSthere is no imap client that does imap properly10:25
BigRedSimap isn't designed for downloading entire mailboxes, it's supposed to cache recent mail10:25
davmor2BigRedS: evolution handled it better Not ideally but certainly better10:27
BigRedSDid it still insist on pretending to be a pop client and download your entire mailbox?10:30
BigRedSActually, webmail clients get IMAP right10:30
BigRedSHah, though with my new graphical mail client I can't get used to that highlighted envelope meaning "Unread mail or unread jabber"10:31
BigRedSgiven the huge width of that bar (my entire screen) it seems a bit daft to use one icon for both...10:32
davmor2BigRedS: Claws is ugly but handles mail pretty well, it's search is kinda sucky but no worse than others.  Also it's much much lighter10:34
BigRedSdavmor2: it still downloads all the mail doesn't it?10:50
BigRedSI used claws for a while before mutt; the choice seemed to be between claws being a bit crashy and really clunky, and thunderbird being a memory hog10:51
davmor2BigRedS: I can't remember to be honest.  I know it meant I had a usable netbook.  Rather than 2 days of waiting on thunderbird to download all of my mail10:56
davmor2popey: you need to play more jamestown, I'd forgotten what a fun game it was :D10:59
popeyheh11:00
davmor2bigcalm: you too ^11:02
bigcalmHumm?11:02
davmor2bigcalm: honestly it's an old style scrolling kill fest, just lets you let off steam and puts a smile on your face :)11:06
bigcalmAh11:06
bigcalmAh, a pay for game11:06
MooDoodavmor2: daley thompsons decathalon also does that, keyboard bashing :)11:06
bigcalmWill wait for it to appear in a humble bundle11:07
bigcalmOr steam11:07
davmor2bigcalm: I thought it was in a bundle11:07
davmor2bigcalm: have a look11:08
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bigcalmdavmor2: I guess not a bundle I bought11:08
davmor2bigcalm: that was why I pointed you at it :)11:08
bigcalmOh, tell a lie11:08
davmor2bigcalm: I think it was a bonus game11:08
bigcalmI do have it :D11:08
bigcalmI always pay above the average and so get the bonus games11:09
bigcalmDoes humble bundle no longer link to the USC?11:10
davmor2bigcalm: that last one didn't as they gave us no notice on it11:11
bigcalmI also don't see a link to getting steam keys11:11
* bigcalm scratches his head11:12
bigcalmAh, I was looking in the wrong place11:13
bigcalmSuch links are via the bundle pages rather than the overall library11:13
bigcalmI see that Jamestown is not available via Steam for Linux11:17
mgdmWhat about Jaynestown?11:18
bigcalmdavmor2: http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/jamestown_usc_terms.png11:21
davmor2bigcalm: have you thought about a job in qa :D11:21
bigcalmdavmor2: jog on :P11:22
davmor2haha11:22
davmor2bigcalm: no idea why that hasn't shown up it should of11:22
MyrttiI wish I could throw money at this problem and it would go away... meh11:30
davmor2Myrtti: you can you just need someone insane enough to take on the problem for the money :D11:31
Myrttiyeah, I suppose11:31
MyrttiI don't have that much personal funds to put on it though, I'd just want someone to take the mantle and I can offer some compensation for this one issue I have, or rather wishlist item11:32
Myrttiand yes I've already passive-agressively complained about this on Google+ and Linkedin11:32
MooDoobigcalm: would you really want davmor2 as a boss? ;)11:33
Myrttizoink11:33
davmor2MooDoo: I don't wanna be a boss all they do is paperwork and meetings, no time to break stuff then11:36
MooDoodavmor2: but you get to delagate stuff, it's fun.11:41
davmor2MooDoo: no in QA the fun is in the breaking erm testing I mean testing honest popey11:42
davmor2:D11:42
MooDoodavmor2: be careful, you'll end up on UUKPC, so davmor2 tell us what you broke this time ;)11:43
davmor2MooDoo: the answer is always the same.  Life the universe and everything11:43
MooDoo42?11:44
davmor2MooDoo: yeah I hate that number you can do far to much to it11:48
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AlanBellbug 18172713:13
lubotu3bug 181727 in diogenes (Ubuntu) "package diogenes 0.9.20-2 failed to install/upgrade: subproces post-installation script gaf een foutwaarde 1 terug" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18172713:13
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MooDoojoin #fedora-meeting13:18
MooDoooops ;)13:18
davmor2MooDoo: traitor ;)13:19
SuperMattwhy would you do that?13:19
MooDoosorry my bad, ignore it13:19
MooDoodavmor2: and :p to you13:19
SuperMatthas it been decided if 14.04 will track gnome 3.8 for 14.04 or if it will go to 3.10?13:21
davmor2MooDoo: I couldn't resist :D13:21
MooDoodavmor2: I know I know :p13:22
popeytsk tsk tsk13:22
* MooDoo hangs head in shame.....must think before I type13:22
* SuperMatt notes there are a lot of "tiger" suggestions for the 14.04 codename, but I have a feeling that won't be picked, because then it steps on the feet of OSX (despite OSX having named their new version Mavericks"13:25
SuperMatt)13:25
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davmor2SuperMatt: I still want Teenage_mutant_ninja Turtles13:27
SuperMattTurtle would imply slowness13:27
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SuperMattalthough a turtle could also be considered stable...13:28
ali1234i am still angry about jackalope not being a real animal13:28
ali1234i mean where does it stop13:28
ali1234next it will be plants13:28
SuperMattwell... there really aren't that many J animals13:28
ali1234there are loads13:29
SuperMattyes, you're right13:30
SuperMattI'm being silly :(13:30
mgdmjiraffe! :P13:30
SuperMattofft13:31
SuperMatt*p13:31
bigcalmJeffrey the corn snake13:31
popeyTribbles!13:31
ali1234yesterday i learned that turtles are like sharks in that they have been around for ages in a pretty much unchanged state13:32
ali123422Ma for turtles but 44Ma for shark13:33
ali1234s13:33
Bastian1_hello13:49
davmor2popey: troublesome tribbles13:54
popeyexactly14:00
AlanBellali1234: horseshoe crabs 450Ma14:08
brobostigonam i dim, or is/are postfix/exim almost impossible to setup.14:09
directhexbrobostigon, depend on how complex your setup is14:13
brobostigonit isnt complex at all, imap was a doddle. all i am trying to achieve is to get smtp to have some authentication, really. so only certain people can send email through it.14:14
mgdmbrobostigon: what are you using for SMTP?14:26
brobostigonmgdm: i have tried both exim and postfix, get the same result on both upto now, i am now reading through exim's logs,14:27
mgdmbrobostigon: Ah. I know how to do it on Postfix.14:28
brobostigonmgdm: ok, i will reinstall postfix, then.14:28
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brobostigonmgdm: ok, fire away, what do i do, please.14:31
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mgdmbrobostigon: one sec14:47
brobostigonmgdm: thank you.14:47
mgdmbrobostigon: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/postfix.html#postfix-smtp-authentication14:48
mgdmbrobostigon: that's how I did it14:48
mgdm(the entire page is worth a read, btu that's the specific bit I did)14:48
brobostigonmgdm: ok, i think i have already read and followed that, let me try it again.14:48
mgdmbrobostigon: if you get stuck let me know, I'll see if I can help14:48
brobostigonmgdm: ok, thank you.14:49
Madam1hey darren you there?14:59
brobostigonmgdm: ok, that section in dovecot.conf it mentions doesnt exist.15:27
mgdmbrobostigon: can you pastebin what you have just now?15:27
brobostigonmgdm: in dovecot.conf ?15:28
mgdmbrobostigon: aye15:29
brobostigonmgdm: http://paste.debian.net/54360/15:29
mgdmbrobostigon: are there any more conf files in /etc/dovecot?15:30
brobostigonls15:31
brobostigonconf.d        dovecot-db.conf.ext        dovecot.pem           private15:31
brobostigondovecot.conf  dovecot-dict-sql.conf.ext  dovecot-sql.conf.ext  README15:31
mgdmoh, fun15:32
brobostigonwhy?15:32
mgdmerm. it might be in one of the others?15:32
mgdmthey've split all the files up since I've last looked15:32
brobostigonwhat am i looking for?15:32
shaunoI have most of those on mine too, they're pure comment.  the only files actually being referenced should be an include conf.d/* in dovecot.conf15:34
mgdmany reference to 'auth default'15:34
brobostigonmgdm: ok, let me look.15:34
brobostigonmgdm: it seems the new server guide describes those file seperations.15:49
mgdmbrobostigon: ah, cool15:50
brobostigonand it still wont work, :(15:51
popeydirecthex: OMG! Cook, Serve, Delicious looks awesome!16:13
popeyAre those keyboard shortcuts to do stuff?16:13
JohnRoberthello16:15
directhexpopey, i guess16:18
popeyhello JohnRobert16:21
davmor2JohnRobert: hello16:28
directhexMad Catz ship their own Ouya alternative for £220. Or about £80 more than a PS3 or a 360.16:43
popeyWHO!?16:45
popeyoh, mojo16:45
ali1234you can get a ps3 for £130?16:45
directhexi did some averaging. a 360 is £130, a ps3 is £15016:46
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LaneyYAY new bottle of sriracha19:57
bigcalmGood evening peeps :)20:01
brobostigonevening bigcalm20:01
bigcalmWhat's happening, brobostigon ?20:02
brobostigonsitting infront of the tv, with a bottle of red and biscuits.20:02
bigcalmFuntastic20:06
SuperEngineerbrobostigon: sitting in front of the bottle of red with a tv with biscuits on top.20:06
brobostigonlol20:07
bigcalmI have a glass of red and a laptop to keep me sane while Hayley watching Strictly It Takes 220:09
brobostigonthats works, :)20:14
mgdmhmmm, glass of red20:15
mgdmbrobostigon: how'd you get on with postfix?20:15
brobostigonmgdm: still wont work, no errors or anything, just cant get any smtp capable client to connect to it, without error.20:16
brobostigonno errors server side.20:16
mgdmbrobostigon: oh :(20:16
brobostigonso i dont really know how to procede.20:17
mgdmhmm.20:17
brobostigonanything i can pastebin or such, that might help?20:18
mgdmwell, I'm not at work any more, so I'm less distracted :-)20:18
mgdmtry /etc/postfix/main.cf for starters?20:18
brobostigonone second,20:19
brobostigonmgdm: http://paste.debian.net/54540/20:19
mgdmbrobostigon: can you do 'netstat -plnt' and pastebin that too?20:20
brobostigonmgdm: one minute.20:21
brobostigoncan i pipe that output into pastebinit?20:21
mgdmworth a shot, yes - actually, run it under sudo20:22
brobostigonnetstat -plnt > pastebinit ?20:22
mgdmsudo netstat -plnt | pastebinit20:22
mgdm(that won't run pastebinit under sudo)20:22
brobostigonok, one second.20:22
brobostigonsudo su ?20:22
brobostigonthen run it.20:22
mgdmno, just paste what i wrote20:22
mgdmit'll work20:23
brobostigonok,20:23
brobostigonhttp://paste.debian.net/54543/20:23
mgdmright, so the master process is running, and listening on 0.0.0.0:25 - can you connect to it with telnet? (telnet your.host.name 25) - you should get some text20:24
brobostigonyes, that connects.20:24
mgdmodd20:25
brobostigonagreed, from what i read, it should work.20:26
mgdmI'm afraid I'm stuck, without access to the machine20:26
brobostigonany ideas what i can check myself?20:27
mgdmthere's a handy tool called 'swaks'20:27
mgdmmaybe see if it's apt-gettable20:27
brobostigonyes, i already installed that.20:28
mgdmdoes it work?20:28
brobostigonnot done any tests using that yet.20:29
mgdmworth a bash20:29
brobostigonok, let me try.20:30
brobostigonok, an email sent, using swaks to my gmail worked.20:34
brobostigonthat worked aswell, sending an email to postfix using swaks from my other vps.20:45
mgdmah ha±20:46
brobostigonwoop, working, yay.21:50
mgdmbrobostigon: woo21:59
brobostigonmgdm: i found out, the mailbox dovecot was refferring to was wrong, ie changed to /var/mail/%u  , i still havent got smtp authentication to work.22:00
mgdmhmmm.22:00
mgdmwhat happens when you try...?22:00
brobostigonlet me try, with which security etc client side?22:02
brobostigoni get the followinf error, "(megative smtp reply: 454 4.7.0 tls not available due to local problem)"22:05
diddledanbrobostigon: that means the ssl isn't configured right - maybe it can't read (permissions) the certificate or key22:15
brobostigondiddledan: ok, how do i fix it? please.22:15
diddledano_o22:16
bigcalmSelf signed cert?22:17
bigcalmMaybe it doesn't like it?22:17
mgdmnah, self-signed works fine22:17
diddledanbrobostigon: you need to check the permissions on /etc/ssl/certs/smtpd.crt and /etc/ssl/private/smtpd.key22:19
brobostigondiddledan: which permission do they need to be?22:20
diddledanI don't recall whether postfix starts the ssl stuff under root account, see, so it may need to be owned by postfix22:21
mgdmI think it does use root, because my certs are shared by dovecot and postfix22:21
brobostigonok, so i just change them to be owned by root ?22:22
diddledanbrobostigon: what are the permissions on the smtpd.key file?22:25
brobostigonone moment.22:25
diddledanafaict they need to be either 400 or 60022:25
diddledanor at a pinch 440 or 64022:26
diddledanthere should be an error message suggesting what the problem is related to in /var/log/something_maybe_mail.log?22:29
brobostigonthats just where i am searching through.22:30
diddledanif not in there, then mail.err22:31
AzelphurWhat's the most open and cross platform / easily available compression method?22:33
Azelphurprobably zip?22:33
mgdmopen? doubt it22:33
Azelphurisn't zip open?22:33
mgdmtar/gzip would take the cake there, I guess22:33
popeygzip22:33
mgdmI didn't think so22:33
diddledanthere is no open and cross platform22:33
AzelphurI see22:33
popeylies22:33
mgdmI thought it had been reverse-engineered22:34
popeytar and gzip exist in basically everything22:34
diddledanwindows can't do gzip out of the box22:34
popeyhe didnt say OOTB22:34
Azelphuryea, doesn't need to be OOTB22:34
popeyself extracting lharc!22:34
diddledanin that case then, yes gzip potentially with tar22:34
popey:D22:34
popeyor arj!22:34
diddledaneww22:35
diddledanthose are esoteric22:35
* popey remembers a 3.5" floppy disk he had 20 years ago with every compression tool on22:35
Azelphurthe goal being that I'd basically ship the thing that did the unzipping22:35
Azelphurso, it doesn't matter, so long as I can bundle it with my thing22:35
popeyi was not being serious diddledan ☻22:35
popeySAP tried to make a cross platform compression tool22:35
popeywell, they kinda succeeded22:36
popeybecause there wasn't one at the time22:36
popey.CAR files.. later .SAR files22:36
popeyand they made their own tool, sapcar.22:36
mgdmi suppose it's indicative that people haven't heard of them :-)22:36
diddledanmicrosoft .cab files ftw! :-p22:36
popeyonly used by SAP for distributing their own patches (which are huge, so need compression)22:37
popeyand we used to have to get them from an ftp server in germany22:37
diddledanhad to be germany22:37
popey147.204.2.5 ☻22:37
diddledanyou remember that?!22:37
popeyan IP that sticks in my mind22:37
popeyya22:37
popeysame IP was in use for years22:38
mgdmI still remember Madasafish's DNS servers from my very first job, as dialup tech support22:38
diddledanI have enough trouble remembering current IPs22:38
mgdm212.38.173.11 and 212.38.173.1222:38
Azelphurdiddledan: pfft22:38
Azelphurdiddledan: I'm a diagnosed Aspy, I have numeric sequences that are like a hundred digit long I can recall.22:38
diddledanAzelphur: that could be quite handy22:39
AzelphurI do it sometimes to freak people out22:39
mgdmthing is, I can't remember the production web server IPs that I deal with every day of the week for the last 3.5yrs22:39
Azelphurdiddledan: *shrug* I haven't found a use beyond party trick22:39
diddledanAzelphur: and party tricks aren't handy? :-p22:39
Azelphurwell, true :)22:39
AzelphurI just write it down on something (my phone or something) hand the phone away, and then recite the number that's on the screen, without looking at it22:39
diddledanwhat you want is to memorise a whole party's credit card numbers :-p22:39
Azelphurfreaks people out :D22:40
popeyyou need to go to more parties22:40
popeyclearly22:40
Azelphurhaha22:40
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