[07:02] morning all [07:08] trying to navigate a phone menu in dutch :/ considering it's supposed to be one of the closest related languages to english, I haven't heard a single sound I recognise yet === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === MrGarlic is now known as ChairmanMeowww === rachel is now known as Guest71871 [07:57] so, anyone else getting this or know how to fix it?: On Saucy, using Firefox, Youtube audio is disabled and un-turn-onnable (shows speaker+X in the player) but other flash audio works just fine, eg: bbc news/iplayer === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:06] aloha === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [08:09] Good morning peeps :) [08:11] Good morning all; happy World Post Day! :-D [08:11] morning James bigcalm [08:13] Hey MooDoo, bigcalm! :) === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:22] morning all [08:26] czajkowski: ping [08:27] morning SuperMatt czajkowski Myrtti [08:27] MooDoo: moin [08:27] * DJones emails JamesTait a Happy world post day card [08:28] would it be all right if I fell asleep here? [08:29] SuperMatt: yes [08:29] awesome [08:30] nobody tell my boss, ok? [08:31] Myrtti: pong [08:34] DJones, aw, thanks. :) === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:25] I can't make head or tails of DVLA website === Hornet- is now known as Hornet === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:32] good morning everyone, [09:43] Good Morning! [09:43] morning === BigRedS_ is now known as BigRedS [09:48] morning morning morning [09:48] there's a lot of morninging going on today [09:51] that wednesday feeling [09:52] morning BigRedS and MooDoo and SuperMatt [09:52] what we need is some crunchies for that friday feeling [09:52] except I don't want chocolate because I've lost 4lbs this week [09:54] and i cant have milk chocolate due to my diary allergies. [09:54] I have problems with diaries too [09:54] people keep stealing them and mocking me for having feelings [09:55] SuperMatt: shall we just put you down now ;) [09:55] go ahead :( [09:56] SuperMatt: come on dude I was teasing, keep ya chin up :) [09:57] there's always soya === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [09:57] Morning all [09:57] morning davmor2 [09:58] Morning MooDoo how's life treatin ya [09:58] davmor2: thanks, it's going ok at the moment [09:59] ALOHA [09:59] * czajkowski tickles davmor2 [09:59] MooDoo: make the scary woman go away [10:00] czajkowski: Now knowing I'm not ticklish what the hell is the point in that ;) [10:01] It's affectionate [10:01] czajkowski: how's life? [10:01] better than scowling! [10:01] davmor2: busy and good [10:01] paris and munich this weekend [10:01] bigcalm: more like harassment :D [10:02] em: ping [10:02] czajkowski: I don't believe you :P you can't be in those two places at the same time [10:02] back for a week then off to italy, [10:02] then ireland for a week and NYC, Toronto to see my godson then I'm back to collect Bash :) [10:04] Thought you had Bash already [10:04] He looks cute [10:04] davmor2: it can't be czajkowski you're talking about, she's wonderful :) [10:04] any suggestions for a combined imap/smtp server ? [10:05] gmail [10:06] * bigcalm hides [10:07] brobostigon: postfix [10:07] davmor2: i am just researching that one. [10:07] brobostigon: look at the server guide it lists a couple === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [10:08] brobostigon: tell you how to install them and gives you a whole bunch of links to more docs [10:08] thank you davmor2 [10:09] brobostigon: what about simbra isn't that one too? [10:10] MooDoo: thats a new one to me. [10:10] http://www.zimbra.com/ [10:10] brobostigon: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/email-services.html dovecot is the bit that makes the imap retrieval easy [10:10] MooDoo: I was gonna say Zimbra :) [10:10] davmor2: i just :) [10:11] let me look. [10:11] I use Postfix for SMTP and Dovecot for IMAP, which is pretty easy to set up on Ubuntu [10:11] Zimbra is a bit... heavier :-) [10:12] zimbra is basically an outlook replacement isn't it [10:12] it's a complete solution not just a client. [10:13] A complete server iirc [10:13] In the same vein as mythbuntu [10:15] mgdm: when you say a bit heavier, is that like comparing a mouse and an elephant and saying the elephant is a bit heavier? [10:16] davmor2: yeah, except the elephant grew up on Jupiter, so it's a lot more dense than it would be if it came from Earth... [10:17] MooDoo: yeah I meant it was all the services and a web frontend that replicates what you get in outlook there is a client for it too I think so you can have the full mock outlook experience :) [10:18] citadel seems packaged and in the repos, unlike zimbra. [10:18] I can mock Outlook without installing a server [10:18] But the sad part is that it's still better than Thunderbird [10:19] awilkins: I preferred evolution but everyone else seemed to have issues with it :( [10:20] You'd think that Thunderbird + GMail would be a killer combo [10:20] But it still doesn't work properly [10:20] Things like searching for mail and you get double hits for everything [10:22] I've just switched to Tbird last week [10:22] the search in general is a bit odd, just for normal imap accounts [10:24] I still hate that fact that if I want to have the same setup on more than one machine I have to copy a folder of multiple GB over instead of the setting of a few hundred MB and then to top it off it ignores the fact that you have a folder full of email and proceeds to down load them all again grrrrrrr [10:25] there is no imap client that does imap properly [10:25] imap isn't designed for downloading entire mailboxes, it's supposed to cache recent mail [10:27] BigRedS: evolution handled it better Not ideally but certainly better [10:30] Did it still insist on pretending to be a pop client and download your entire mailbox? [10:30] Actually, webmail clients get IMAP right [10:31] Hah, though with my new graphical mail client I can't get used to that highlighted envelope meaning "Unread mail or unread jabber" [10:32] given the huge width of that bar (my entire screen) it seems a bit daft to use one icon for both... [10:34] BigRedS: Claws is ugly but handles mail pretty well, it's search is kinda sucky but no worse than others. Also it's much much lighter [10:50] davmor2: it still downloads all the mail doesn't it? [10:51] I used claws for a while before mutt; the choice seemed to be between claws being a bit crashy and really clunky, and thunderbird being a memory hog [10:56] BigRedS: I can't remember to be honest. I know it meant I had a usable netbook. Rather than 2 days of waiting on thunderbird to download all of my mail [10:59] popey: you need to play more jamestown, I'd forgotten what a fun game it was :D [11:00] heh [11:02] bigcalm: you too ^ [11:02] Humm? [11:06] bigcalm: honestly it's an old style scrolling kill fest, just lets you let off steam and puts a smile on your face :) [11:06] Ah [11:06] Ah, a pay for game [11:06] davmor2: daley thompsons decathalon also does that, keyboard bashing :) [11:07] Will wait for it to appear in a humble bundle [11:07] Or steam [11:07] bigcalm: I thought it was in a bundle [11:08] bigcalm: have a look === chattsm_ is now known as chatts [11:08] davmor2: I guess not a bundle I bought [11:08] bigcalm: that was why I pointed you at it :) [11:08] Oh, tell a lie [11:08] bigcalm: I think it was a bonus game [11:08] I do have it :D [11:09] I always pay above the average and so get the bonus games [11:10] Does humble bundle no longer link to the USC? [11:11] bigcalm: that last one didn't as they gave us no notice on it [11:11] I also don't see a link to getting steam keys [11:12] * bigcalm scratches his head [11:13] Ah, I was looking in the wrong place [11:13] Such links are via the bundle pages rather than the overall library [11:17] I see that Jamestown is not available via Steam for Linux [11:18] What about Jaynestown? [11:21] davmor2: http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/jamestown_usc_terms.png [11:21] bigcalm: have you thought about a job in qa :D [11:22] davmor2: jog on :P [11:22] haha [11:22] bigcalm: no idea why that hasn't shown up it should of [11:30] I wish I could throw money at this problem and it would go away... meh [11:31] Myrtti: you can you just need someone insane enough to take on the problem for the money :D [11:31] yeah, I suppose [11:32] I don't have that much personal funds to put on it though, I'd just want someone to take the mantle and I can offer some compensation for this one issue I have, or rather wishlist item [11:32] and yes I've already passive-agressively complained about this on Google+ and Linkedin [11:33] bigcalm: would you really want davmor2 as a boss? ;) [11:33] zoink [11:36] MooDoo: I don't wanna be a boss all they do is paperwork and meetings, no time to break stuff then [11:41] davmor2: but you get to delagate stuff, it's fun. [11:42] MooDoo: no in QA the fun is in the breaking erm testing I mean testing honest popey [11:42] :D [11:43] davmor2: be careful, you'll end up on UUKPC, so davmor2 tell us what you broke this time ;) [11:43] MooDoo: the answer is always the same. Life the universe and everything [11:44] 42? [11:48] MooDoo: yeah I hate that number you can do far to much to it === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:13] bug 181727 [13:13] bug 181727 in diogenes (Ubuntu) "package diogenes 0.9.20-2 failed to install/upgrade: subproces post-installation script gaf een foutwaarde 1 terug" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181727 === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:18] join #fedora-meeting [13:18] oops ;) [13:19] MooDoo: traitor ;) [13:19] why would you do that? [13:19] sorry my bad, ignore it [13:19] davmor2: and :p to you [13:21] has it been decided if 14.04 will track gnome 3.8 for 14.04 or if it will go to 3.10? [13:21] MooDoo: I couldn't resist :D [13:22] davmor2: I know I know :p [13:22] tsk tsk tsk [13:22] * MooDoo hangs head in shame.....must think before I type [13:25] * SuperMatt notes there are a lot of "tiger" suggestions for the 14.04 codename, but I have a feeling that won't be picked, because then it steps on the feet of OSX (despite OSX having named their new version Mavericks" [13:25] ) === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [13:27] SuperMatt: I still want Teenage_mutant_ninja Turtles [13:27] Turtle would imply slowness === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [13:28] although a turtle could also be considered stable... [13:28] i am still angry about jackalope not being a real animal [13:28] i mean where does it stop [13:28] next it will be plants [13:28] well... there really aren't that many J animals [13:29] there are loads [13:30] yes, you're right [13:30] I'm being silly :( [13:30] jiraffe! :P [13:31] offt [13:31] *p [13:31] Jeffrey the corn snake [13:31] Tribbles! [13:32] yesterday i learned that turtles are like sharks in that they have been around for ages in a pretty much unchanged state [13:33] 22Ma for turtles but 44Ma for shark [13:33] s [13:49] hello [13:54] popey: troublesome tribbles [14:00] exactly [14:08] ali1234: horseshoe crabs 450Ma [14:09] am i dim, or is/are postfix/exim almost impossible to setup. [14:13] brobostigon, depend on how complex your setup is [14:14] it isnt complex at all, imap was a doddle. all i am trying to achieve is to get smtp to have some authentication, really. so only certain people can send email through it. [14:26] brobostigon: what are you using for SMTP? [14:27] mgdm: i have tried both exim and postfix, get the same result on both upto now, i am now reading through exim's logs, [14:28] brobostigon: Ah. I know how to do it on Postfix. [14:28] mgdm: ok, i will reinstall postfix, then. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:31] mgdm: ok, fire away, what do i do, please. === Hornet- is now known as Hornet === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:47] brobostigon: one sec [14:47] mgdm: thank you. [14:48] brobostigon: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/postfix.html#postfix-smtp-authentication [14:48] brobostigon: that's how I did it [14:48] (the entire page is worth a read, btu that's the specific bit I did) [14:48] mgdm: ok, i think i have already read and followed that, let me try it again. [14:48] brobostigon: if you get stuck let me know, I'll see if I can help [14:49] mgdm: ok, thank you. [14:59] hey darren you there? [15:27] mgdm: ok, that section in dovecot.conf it mentions doesnt exist. [15:27] brobostigon: can you pastebin what you have just now? [15:28] mgdm: in dovecot.conf ? [15:29] brobostigon: aye [15:29] mgdm: http://paste.debian.net/54360/ [15:30] brobostigon: are there any more conf files in /etc/dovecot? [15:31] ls [15:31] conf.d dovecot-db.conf.ext dovecot.pem private [15:31] dovecot.conf dovecot-dict-sql.conf.ext dovecot-sql.conf.ext README [15:32] oh, fun [15:32] why? [15:32] erm. it might be in one of the others? [15:32] they've split all the files up since I've last looked [15:32] what am i looking for? [15:34] I have most of those on mine too, they're pure comment. the only files actually being referenced should be an include conf.d/* in dovecot.conf [15:34] any reference to 'auth default' [15:34] mgdm: ok, let me look. [15:49] mgdm: it seems the new server guide describes those file seperations. [15:50] brobostigon: ah, cool [15:51] and it still wont work, :( [16:13] directhex: OMG! Cook, Serve, Delicious looks awesome! [16:13] Are those keyboard shortcuts to do stuff? [16:15] hello [16:18] popey, i guess [16:21] hello JohnRobert [16:28] JohnRobert: hello [16:43] Mad Catz ship their own Ouya alternative for £220. Or about £80 more than a PS3 or a 360. [16:45] WHO!? [16:45] oh, mojo [16:45] you can get a ps3 for £130? [16:46] i did some averaging. a 360 is £130, a ps3 is £150 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === Guest22937 is now known as webpigeon === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [19:57] YAY new bottle of sriracha [20:01] Good evening peeps :) [20:01] evening bigcalm [20:02] What's happening, brobostigon ? [20:02] sitting infront of the tv, with a bottle of red and biscuits. [20:06] Funtastic [20:06] brobostigon: sitting in front of the bottle of red with a tv with biscuits on top. [20:07] lol [20:09] I have a glass of red and a laptop to keep me sane while Hayley watching Strictly It Takes 2 [20:14] thats works, :) [20:15] hmmm, glass of red [20:15] brobostigon: how'd you get on with postfix? [20:16] mgdm: still wont work, no errors or anything, just cant get any smtp capable client to connect to it, without error. [20:16] no errors server side. [20:16] brobostigon: oh :( [20:17] so i dont really know how to procede. [20:17] hmm. [20:18] anything i can pastebin or such, that might help? [20:18] well, I'm not at work any more, so I'm less distracted :-) [20:18] try /etc/postfix/main.cf for starters? [20:19] one second, [20:19] mgdm: http://paste.debian.net/54540/ [20:20] brobostigon: can you do 'netstat -plnt' and pastebin that too? [20:21] mgdm: one minute. [20:21] can i pipe that output into pastebinit? [20:22] worth a shot, yes - actually, run it under sudo [20:22] netstat -plnt > pastebinit ? [20:22] sudo netstat -plnt | pastebinit [20:22] (that won't run pastebinit under sudo) [20:22] ok, one second. [20:22] sudo su ? [20:22] then run it. [20:22] no, just paste what i wrote [20:23] it'll work [20:23] ok, [20:23] http://paste.debian.net/54543/ [20:24] right, so the master process is running, and listening on 0.0.0.0:25 - can you connect to it with telnet? (telnet your.host.name 25) - you should get some text [20:24] yes, that connects. [20:25] odd [20:26] agreed, from what i read, it should work. [20:26] I'm afraid I'm stuck, without access to the machine [20:27] any ideas what i can check myself? [20:27] there's a handy tool called 'swaks' [20:27] maybe see if it's apt-gettable [20:28] yes, i already installed that. [20:28] does it work? [20:29] not done any tests using that yet. [20:29] worth a bash [20:30] ok, let me try. [20:34] ok, an email sent, using swaks to my gmail worked. [20:45] that worked aswell, sending an email to postfix using swaks from my other vps. [20:46] ah ha± [21:50] woop, working, yay. [21:59] brobostigon: woo [22:00] mgdm: i found out, the mailbox dovecot was refferring to was wrong, ie changed to /var/mail/%u , i still havent got smtp authentication to work. [22:00] hmmm. [22:00] what happens when you try...? [22:02] let me try, with which security etc client side? [22:05] i get the followinf error, "(megative smtp reply: 454 4.7.0 tls not available due to local problem)" [22:15] brobostigon: that means the ssl isn't configured right - maybe it can't read (permissions) the certificate or key [22:15] diddledan: ok, how do i fix it? please. [22:16] o_o [22:17] Self signed cert? [22:17] Maybe it doesn't like it? [22:17] nah, self-signed works fine [22:19] brobostigon: you need to check the permissions on /etc/ssl/certs/smtpd.crt and /etc/ssl/private/smtpd.key [22:20] diddledan: which permission do they need to be? [22:21] I don't recall whether postfix starts the ssl stuff under root account, see, so it may need to be owned by postfix [22:21] I think it does use root, because my certs are shared by dovecot and postfix [22:22] ok, so i just change them to be owned by root ? [22:25] brobostigon: what are the permissions on the smtpd.key file? [22:25] one moment. [22:25] afaict they need to be either 400 or 600 [22:26] or at a pinch 440 or 640 [22:29] there should be an error message suggesting what the problem is related to in /var/log/something_maybe_mail.log? [22:30] thats just where i am searching through. [22:31] if not in there, then mail.err [22:33] What's the most open and cross platform / easily available compression method? [22:33] probably zip? [22:33] open? doubt it [22:33] isn't zip open? [22:33] tar/gzip would take the cake there, I guess [22:33] gzip [22:33] I didn't think so [22:33] there is no open and cross platform [22:33] I see [22:33] lies [22:34] I thought it had been reverse-engineered [22:34] tar and gzip exist in basically everything [22:34] windows can't do gzip out of the box [22:34] he didnt say OOTB [22:34] yea, doesn't need to be OOTB [22:34] self extracting lharc! [22:34] in that case then, yes gzip potentially with tar [22:34] :D [22:34] or arj! [22:35] eww [22:35] those are esoteric [22:35] * popey remembers a 3.5" floppy disk he had 20 years ago with every compression tool on [22:35] the goal being that I'd basically ship the thing that did the unzipping [22:35] so, it doesn't matter, so long as I can bundle it with my thing [22:35] i was not being serious diddledan ☻ [22:35] SAP tried to make a cross platform compression tool [22:36] well, they kinda succeeded [22:36] because there wasn't one at the time [22:36] .CAR files.. later .SAR files [22:36] and they made their own tool, sapcar. [22:36] i suppose it's indicative that people haven't heard of them :-) [22:36] microsoft .cab files ftw! :-p [22:37] only used by SAP for distributing their own patches (which are huge, so need compression) [22:37] and we used to have to get them from an ftp server in germany [22:37] had to be germany [22:37] 147.204.2.5 ☻ [22:37] you remember that?! [22:37] an IP that sticks in my mind [22:37] ya [22:38] same IP was in use for years [22:38] I still remember Madasafish's DNS servers from my very first job, as dialup tech support [22:38] I have enough trouble remembering current IPs [22:38] 212.38.173.11 and 212.38.173.12 [22:38] diddledan: pfft [22:38] diddledan: I'm a diagnosed Aspy, I have numeric sequences that are like a hundred digit long I can recall. [22:39] Azelphur: that could be quite handy [22:39] I do it sometimes to freak people out [22:39] thing is, I can't remember the production web server IPs that I deal with every day of the week for the last 3.5yrs [22:39] diddledan: *shrug* I haven't found a use beyond party trick [22:39] Azelphur: and party tricks aren't handy? :-p [22:39] well, true :) [22:39] I just write it down on something (my phone or something) hand the phone away, and then recite the number that's on the screen, without looking at it [22:39] what you want is to memorise a whole party's credit card numbers :-p [22:40] freaks people out :D [22:40] you need to go to more parties [22:40] clearly [22:40] haha === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === hayden is now known as Hayd3n