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ahoneybunmanchicken: good00:02
manchickenVery good.00:09
soeegood morning06:22
shadeslayermornign09:01
shadeslayer*morning09:01
Riddellhola chico09:10
shadeslayerhola Riddell09:14
shadeslayerhmm, no new u-m yet09:14
shadeslayerRiddell: can you accept u-m if I re upload it?09:15
shadeslayerapparently I deleted u-m last night from my disk :/09:18
shadeslayerRiddell: poke poke?09:25
shadeslayerI have to leave in 10 minutes :P09:26
shadeslayerRiddell: I've uploaded it, please approve when you get to it09:30
shadeslayerbye09:35
Riddellshadeslayer: groovy10:33
BluesKajHi folks10:43
ovidiu-florinhello world10:51
ovidiu-florindo you also get an error here ? https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/sysadmin/ufw-kde/repository10:51
BluesKajovidiu-florin, yes10:53
BluesKajinternal error10:53
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: any ideea what can be done about that?10:54
BluesKajnope :(10:54
yofelovidiu-florin: -> #kde-sysadmin10:55
lordievaderovidiu-florin: HTTP 5** errors are server errors, there isn't a whole lot you can do about it. Unless you are sys admin of that machine ;)10:55
ovidiu-florinok ;)10:55
Riddelltsdgeos: you know about i18n magic? if launchpad gives me files in the form notificationhelper-ar.po is there some cmake magic to install them in the right place?11:37
Riddellthe KDE norm is ar/notificationhelper.po11:37
tsdgeosno clue11:38
Riddellfooey11:38
apacheloggerRiddell: so ubuntu language packs are off the table?11:41
Riddellapachelogger: next on my todo11:42
apacheloggerwhat's the deal with notificationhelper then? :P11:42
apacheloggeranyway, with cmake just hold on to what releaseme produces11:42
apacheloggerbasically you just need to have appropriate calls for GETTEXT_PROCESS_PO_FILES(da ALL INSTALL_DESTINATION ${LOCALE_INSTALL_DIR} ${_po_files} )            11:43
* jussi prods at Riddell...11:49
Riddellapachelogger: notificationhelper gets its translations from launchpad11:49
* Riddell caresses jussi 11:50
jussiaww11:50
jussiRiddell: now look at your PM's11:50
apacheloggerRiddell: doesn't matter11:52
apacheloggera po is a po :P11:52
apacheloggerunless you need codez to get the po out of lunchpad11:53
Riddellgosh quassel has a scary po/CMakeLists.txt11:53
jussiSput: !!!11:53
Riddellapachelogger: relaseme puts lines like  GETTEXT_PROCESS_PO_FILES(pl ALL INSTALL_DESTINATION ${LOCALE_INSTALL_DIR} ${_po_files} )11:54
apacheloggerSput: ???11:54
Riddellbut that's not possible for foo-pl.po11:54
apacheloggerso rename foo-pl.po? :P11:54
RiddellI'm sure it's possible with cmake but my cmake foo would take some working out11:54
Riddellso yeah rename is what I'm thinking11:54
apacheloggerfrom (template)-(language).po you cannot deduce where language starts, unless language cannot contain -, yet language can contain - with launchpad (zh-tw for example)11:57
apacheloggerso, I dunno what you try to do but I think the way to go is write a script that uses the launchpad api to get the po files, so you can reliably get the language and template ids to save them such that you can build a cmakelists.txt accordingly12:01
apacheloggerthe only other option is you build a cmake macro around GETTEXT_CREATE_TRANSLATIONS ... such as GETTEXT_CREATE_TRANSLATIONS(${template}.mo ${template}-${language}.po)12:02
apacheloggerbut as I said, there is no 100% reliable parsing to get the template12:03
apachelogger(script seems more scalable anyway since you need a way to get all the pos :P)12:04
* Riddell does the qtwebkit compiling dance https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/2.3.2-0ubuntu212:23
smartboyhwTime to clean up the number of mails (> 450 in inbox)12:27
Riddell450? you're lucky!12:27
apacheloggerthat's a lot12:28
apacheloggerI only have 1219 in my actual inbox12:28
smartboyhwRiddell, erm, that's mainly because in debian-qt-kde mailing list;)12:28
smartboyhw(Actually I don't normally get over 1000 except post-exam)12:28
apacheloggeryou do not filter mailing lists? :O12:29
smartboyhwapachelogger, no, don't see any need12:54
mikhasI just accepted to live with +10k unread e-mails12:55
mikhasbut it's still nice to have those e-mails local, for search12:55
shadeslayerRiddell: qtwebkit is still stuck in proposed?12:58
Riddellshadeslayer: powerpc still compiling isn't it?12:58
Riddelljust done, it should go in shortly12:59
shadeslayerahh okay13:00
smartboyhwScottK, approve the ubuntustudio-default-settings SRU in Precise queue plz....13:00
shadeslayerI just thought that everything looked good, so was wondering why it hadn't migrated13:00
smartboyhwNice, we got Google Code-In this year (will be participating)13:00
Riddellwho's we?13:01
smartboyhwRiddell, we = the world's people:)13:01
smartboyhwTeenagers, rather13:01
Riddell[ubuntu/saucy] qtwebkit-source 2.3.2-0ubuntu2 (Accepted)13:12
Riddelldooby de doo doo feeling groovy13:12
BluesKajnetwork management settings in kubuntu 13.10 has no wired or vpn tab options, all that's available is a settings appearance option . I'm going to crosspost thius in #ubuntu+1 too.13:23
RiddellBluesKaj: it's got a long list of options including wired and various vpns13:24
BluesKajthere is a plasmoid settings option , but no kde dialog option13:25
BluesKajRiddell, I'll post a prtscrn13:25
shadeslayerpossibly you don't have the plugins necessary?13:26
RiddellBluesKaj: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/plasma-nm.png  add button has a long list13:27
BluesKajI seem to be missing some kde user space 13:28
BluesKajhttp://wstaw.org/m/2013/10/10/snapshot1.png13:29
RiddellBluesKaj: how do you get to there?13:30
BluesKajRiddell, by rightclicking on the etherent wdget13:32
BluesKajerr ethernet13:32
RiddellBluesKaj: ah interesting, don't think I've seen that before, yeah it looks incomplete13:33
shadeslayerlooks fine for me http://i.imgur.com/Pv0oE4d.png13:33
BluesKajyup, it sure does13:33
Riddellbut it's only to set what details is shown, nothing about making a connection13:33
shadeslayer^^13:33
BluesKajRiddell, exactly13:34
BluesKajRiddell, where are you finding the connection editor ?13:35
RiddellBluesKaj: left click -> spanner icon -> edit connections13:36
BluesKajI have the plasmoid popups showing when I left click13:38
BluesKajconnection popup13:38
shadeslayerBluesKaj: and there should be a spanner icon13:38
shadeslayerthat you can click13:38
BluesKajyes that what I showed earlier in the screenshot 13:39
soeehiho13:39
BluesKajin the nn popup dialogbox , shadeslayer13:40
BluesKajnm that is13:40
shadeslayernah, wrong spanner13:40
shadeslayerBluesKaj: http://i.imgur.com/sAReDcD.png13:41
shadeslayerBluesKaj: bottom right13:41
BluesKajshadeslayer, I don't have that available13:43
shadeslayero_o13:43
BluesKajthink I'll install a daily to fill in the missing apps 13:52
BluesKajsomethingf has definitely fallen thru the cracks13:53
BluesKajmissing some libs , guess I lost some when I purged gnome after experimenting with it for a couple days 13:57
lordievaderGood afternoon.14:09
Riddellhi lordievader14:09
Riddelllordievader: we had a request to remove the Installation pages from the docs as it's not ready yet, fancy taking that on sometime?14:10
lordievaderPhew not sure if I'm going to have time for that. Perhaps I can do it sunday if that is not too late.14:10
Riddellsmartboyhw: did you give up on digikam 3.4?14:10
shadeslayerwas going to poke about that ^^14:11
Riddellbug 122185114:11
ubottubug 1221851 in digikam (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please merge digikam 3.4.0-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122185114:11
smartboyhwRiddell, give up (ENOTIME basically)14:12
shadeslayer" add transitional package from networkmanagement "14:12
shadeslayershouldn't that be fixed *now*14:12
Riddellshadeslayer: yep, I can do it or you can take it on14:13
shadeslayercan do14:13
Riddellhighvoltage: bad for you guys? http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/09/1648218/south-african-education-department-bans-free-and-open-source-software14:21
shadeslayerRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/p4c06b30b14:22
shadeslayerwtf @ slashdot story14:23
Riddellshadeslayer: lovely14:23
shadeslayerRiddell: uploaded, please accept once it hits the archive14:24
shadeslayers/archive/queue14:25
highvoltageRiddell: yeah it's horrible14:29
highvoltageRiddell: it's actually against government policy so I don't think it will stand14:30
highvoltagealso, delphiwtf14:30
RiddellI remember that from 20 years ago14:30
highvoltagethe company selling all these delphi licenses are trying to make a big case for delphi being modern and being the shortest path to writing android + iphone + windows apps, etc, etc14:31
Riddellshadeslayer: not seeing it14:31
highvoltagespending lots of money trying to convince everyone that it's a good choice.14:32
highvoltageand the only other language they're comparing it too is java.14:32
highvoltagebut there's a whole bunch of us making the case for python instead.14:32
Riddellapachelogger: 13.10 l10n board done except upstream issue with ksplash14:37
apacheloggerRiddell: yay14:43
apacheloggerubottu: find gee.h14:43
Riddellapachelogger: can I close the board?14:44
apacheloggerRiddell: yeah14:44
Riddellwow we have a lot of changes in digikam14:51
Riddellit's a beast of a package14:51
shadeslayeroh crap15:33
shadeslayerRiddell: the transitional package will be in New15:33
Riddellshadeslayer: approved!15:39
shadeslayer\o/15:40
Sputjussi, apachelogger, Riddell: wat.?16:22
RiddellSput: I think it was a contentless ping, carry on16:23
Sputok. :)16:24
Sputand yes, our po/CMakeLists.txt is scary16:24
Sputmostly because we need to somehow get the transifex stuff (.po) converted into Qt's stuff (which is not the same as KDE's)16:25
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shadeslayerI'm bored16:32
Riddellum, fix some bugs?16:33
Riddellfix plasma-active16:33
Riddelljust needs something commented out from the startactive script16:33
Mamarokoh my16:33
shadeslayercommented out?16:35
shadeslayeror enable things that have been commented out16:35
Riddellenable things that have been commented out16:36
shadeslayerroger roger16:36
Riddelldbus things I think, was in some bug report16:36
shadeslayeryep, saw that16:37
shadeslayerRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/p01edb7c416:39
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Riddellshadeslayer: ah but does it do anything?16:42
shadeslayeris kubuntu active installable?16:42
shadeslayerdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-active-data_1%3a0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):16:42
shadeslayer trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-dataengine-recommendations.desktop', which is also in package contour-data 3.0-0ubuntu216:42
shadeslayerubottu: find plasma-dataengine-recommendations.desktop16:43
RiddellI think contour-data is obsolete16:43
shadeslayerbut kubuntu-active still seems to depend on it/16:43
Riddellmeta package could do with an update then16:44
Riddellgood thing you're onto it :)16:44
shadeslayer*nod*16:44
shadeslayerRiddell: running startactive seems to work btw16:47
Riddellshadeslayer: awesome, it didn't do much when I tried a live image the other day16:48
RiddellScottK: digikam in unapproved if you want to decide bug 122185116:48
ubottubug 1221851 in digikam (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please merge digikam 3.4.0-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122185116:48
shadeslayerRiddell: right, I ran startactive from a running KDE session16:48
* Riddell out16:49
shadeslayerwhut http://pastebin.kde.org/pteaknylx16:54
BluesKajok , I now have the "edit connections" option with NM , but the vpn connection icon doesn't show in the panel , the plasmoids in the last upgrades seem to be lacking network status icons/notifiers17:22
rohanis there going to be an RC image for kubuntu 13.10? 17:49
shadeslayerrohan: final image, yes18:21
rohanshadeslayer: so just the final on 17th? no interim RC? 18:22
shadeslayerrohan: I think the RC is ~final image18:23
shadeslayerunless something goes horribly bad or sth, the RC will become the final image18:23
rohanthere is no RC image, right? 18:23
rohani only see beta 218:23
shadeslayernot yet, freeze today18:23
shadeslayerRC images sometime over the week18:23
rohanso if i want 13.10 today, my best bet is to use the daily live from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/ ? 18:24
shadeslayercorrect18:24
shadeslayeror well18:24
shadeslayerBeta 2 should be installable and better tested18:25
shadeslayerwe don't have the man power to test live images daily18:25
shadeslayerso they might / might not install18:25
rohanfair enough 18:25
rohanjust trying to think how much i will have to upgrade after installing via beta2.. i think i'll need to get the new KDE at the least, right 18:26
shadeslayerI think so yeah18:26
shadeslayerbut I think it's like 300 MB's of updates, not *huge*18:26
rohantrue, i guess i'll go with beta2 18:27
shadeslayerawesome :)18:27
rohanthanks, shadeslayer 18:27
shadeslayernp18:27
rohando you know if the installer allows using btrfs? 18:27
Blizzzgna, any idea why my microphone gets suspended? all looks ok in alsamixer and phonon *sigh*18:27
shadeslayerBlizzz: check pavucontrol?18:28
rohanaw, i hope there are no sound issues on my laptop: that's one of the reasons i'm switching from archlinux 18:28
shadeslayerrohan: try out the livecd to check  ? :)18:28
shadeslayerrohan: and regarding btrfs, yes, installer will offer that IIRC via manual partitioning18:29
rohanyep. kubuntu 13.04 worked perfectly18:29
rohanah, sounds good18:29
shadeslayerwell, dunno, but stuff changed b/w 13.04 and 13.1018:29
shadeslayer( hopefully for the better )18:30
Blizzzshadeslayer: looks good, too18:30
shadeslayerBlizzz: can you try muting and unmuting it18:31
rohani am curious to know if pm-utils was deprecated. hopefully 13.10 is using systemd-login or such 18:31
Blizzzshadeslayer: tried already18:31
shadeslayerrohan: it's using a hacked up version of logind yes18:32
shadeslayerand yeah, pm-utils should be removed18:32
Blizzznow after opening pavucontrol pactl list sources | less i had another source marked running here "pactl list sources | less" taken this to avconv works (was not there before).18:32
rohanshadeslayer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/kubuntu-desktop looks like it still depends on pm-utils 18:33
shadeslayerhmm odd18:34
shadeslayerRiddell added it as a explicit dep18:34
shadeslayerI thought we got it working18:34
shadeslayeryofel: ^^18:34
yofeluh, look at what's needed first - they changed something in upower again recently so I'm not sure whether logind actually works right now18:35
yofelkde's native logind support doesn't work18:35
rohanplus i don't see systemd or logind as a depends on that package 18:36
rohanoh so 13.10 will continue using pm-utils, yofel ? 18:36
shadeslayerlets see if suspending works without pm-utils18:37
yofelprobably - I've had no time to look at this at all recently18:37
rohanthe reason i asked is because pm-utils doesn't support in-kernel hybrid sleep built in since kernel 3.6 18:41
rohanfedora has a patch for it, but it's not accepted upstream 18:41
shadeslayerI think I know the reason18:49
shadeslayerand I can probably fix this by tomorrow18:49
shadeslayerbut should we land it18:49
ahoneybunhowdy18:50
rohanshadeslayer: if there is a bug open for it (or if you open it), could you share it please? i'd be interested to know what happens 18:51
shadeslayersure18:56
shadeslayerso I know the problem now19:03
shadeslayerbasically 19:03
shadeslayerupower is broken19:03
shadeslayerand since ubuntu switched to the frankenstien mash of systemd-shim + logind, and logind worked for them19:03
shadeslayerno one bothered with checking upower19:03
shadeslayer( alternative version, upower / systemd-shim are conflicting )19:04
shadeslayerlibsolid checks systemd versioning19:04
shadeslayerand that versioning interface is not present in ubuntu causing it to fallback to upower which doesn't work19:04
* shadeslayer jumps out a window19:06
rohanoh goodie 19:07
shadeslayeryofel: want to update the meta package19:07
yofelcould you please?19:08
shadeslayerokay19:08
yofelthanks19:08
yofelwait - update how?19:08
shadeslayerupdate kubuntu-meta I meant19:08
shadeslayerupdate + upload19:08
yofelyeah, but with what?19:08
shadeslayerjust run germinate?19:09
shadeslayersome stuff didn't get updated ( contour et all ) for active19:09
yofelah nvm, I'm tired19:09
shadeslayerwant me to do it?19:09
yofelyes please19:09
shadeslayerwell this is weird19:17
shadeslayer./desktop:# * (printer-applet)19:17
shadeslayer./active: * (printer-applet)19:17
shadeslayerwhy? 19:17
BluesKajso what's new pw policy , do we need to use it at every turn , even tho I'm th eonly user andf have sudoers set up with for me all no password.What's changed here ?19:19
BluesKajthis is pi**ing me off 19:19
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: hey19:51
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: hey20:06
BluesKajlost the network manager in KDE after the last update/upgrade  , have to use nm-applet , there's no kde network-manager widget available 20:10
BluesKajmust be the gnome/gtk network management files that come with installing a vpn client 20:12
BluesKajwhich is linux friendly20:13
mustafa_muhammadHi, I installed beta 2 and found some problems, I wanted to ask you before reporting bugs.20:30
mustafa_muhammadFirst, when I boot the live USB I don't get boot menu, only a black screen, when I press "Enter" the system starts loading.20:31
mustafa_muhammadI will use ubuntu-bug ubiquity to report it, or you have another idea?20:32
mustafa_muhammadSecond, I have a UEFI system and my disk is GPT, I installed but the bootloader doesn't work (I get grub>>), I booted the system using another bootloader.20:37
mustafa_muhammadThird, is a request, please add Muon Discover to the Favorates menu to make it visible to new users.20:38
BluesKajmustafa_muhammad, discover is listed up front in the computer section of the kmenu20:40
mustafa_muhammadBluesKaj, I see, but I think it should be in the favorites, just an opinion, e.g. I open Dolphin and go anywhere from it, I never open menu->Computer20:47
mustafa_muhammadand we have some empty space in the favorites menu :)20:47
BluesKajmustafa_muhammad, let's hope discover is less clunlk by the official release date 20:48
BluesKajerr clunky20:52
mustafa_muhammadLet's hope so, is it made using QML?20:55
rohanwhy is there a separate image for Macs? how is it different? 22:19

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