[00:02] manchicken: good [00:09] Very good. [06:22] good morning [09:01] mornign [09:01] *morning [09:10] hola chico [09:14] hola Riddell [09:14] hmm, no new u-m yet [09:15] Riddell: can you accept u-m if I re upload it? [09:18] apparently I deleted u-m last night from my disk :/ [09:25] Riddell: poke poke? [09:26] I have to leave in 10 minutes :P [09:30] Riddell: I've uploaded it, please approve when you get to it [09:35] bye [10:33] shadeslayer: groovy [10:43] Hi folks [10:51] hello world [10:51] do you also get an error here ? https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/sysadmin/ufw-kde/repository [10:53] ovidiu-florin, yes [10:53] internal error [10:54] BluesKaj: any ideea what can be done about that? [10:54] nope :( [10:55] ovidiu-florin: -> #kde-sysadmin [10:55] ovidiu-florin: HTTP 5** errors are server errors, there isn't a whole lot you can do about it. Unless you are sys admin of that machine ;) [10:55] ok ;) [11:37] tsdgeos: you know about i18n magic? if launchpad gives me files in the form notificationhelper-ar.po is there some cmake magic to install them in the right place? [11:37] the KDE norm is ar/notificationhelper.po [11:38] no clue [11:38] fooey [11:41] Riddell: so ubuntu language packs are off the table? [11:42] apachelogger: next on my todo [11:42] what's the deal with notificationhelper then? :P [11:42] anyway, with cmake just hold on to what releaseme produces [11:43] basically you just need to have appropriate calls for GETTEXT_PROCESS_PO_FILES(da ALL INSTALL_DESTINATION ${LOCALE_INSTALL_DIR} ${_po_files} ) [11:49] * jussi prods at Riddell... [11:49] apachelogger: notificationhelper gets its translations from launchpad [11:50] * Riddell caresses jussi [11:50] aww [11:50] Riddell: now look at your PM's [11:52] Riddell: doesn't matter [11:52] a po is a po :P [11:53] unless you need codez to get the po out of lunchpad [11:53] gosh quassel has a scary po/CMakeLists.txt [11:53] Sput: !!! [11:54] apachelogger: relaseme puts lines like GETTEXT_PROCESS_PO_FILES(pl ALL INSTALL_DESTINATION ${LOCALE_INSTALL_DIR} ${_po_files} ) [11:54] Sput: ??? [11:54] but that's not possible for foo-pl.po [11:54] so rename foo-pl.po? :P [11:54] I'm sure it's possible with cmake but my cmake foo would take some working out [11:54] so yeah rename is what I'm thinking [11:57] from (template)-(language).po you cannot deduce where language starts, unless language cannot contain -, yet language can contain - with launchpad (zh-tw for example) [12:01] so, I dunno what you try to do but I think the way to go is write a script that uses the launchpad api to get the po files, so you can reliably get the language and template ids to save them such that you can build a cmakelists.txt accordingly [12:02] the only other option is you build a cmake macro around GETTEXT_CREATE_TRANSLATIONS ... such as GETTEXT_CREATE_TRANSLATIONS(${template}.mo ${template}-${language}.po) [12:03] but as I said, there is no 100% reliable parsing to get the template [12:04] (script seems more scalable anyway since you need a way to get all the pos :P) [12:23] * Riddell does the qtwebkit compiling dance https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/2.3.2-0ubuntu2 [12:27] Time to clean up the number of mails (> 450 in inbox) [12:27] 450? you're lucky! [12:28] that's a lot [12:28] I only have 1219 in my actual inbox [12:28] Riddell, erm, that's mainly because in debian-qt-kde mailing list;) [12:28] (Actually I don't normally get over 1000 except post-exam) [12:29] you do not filter mailing lists? :O [12:54] apachelogger, no, don't see any need [12:55] I just accepted to live with +10k unread e-mails [12:55] but it's still nice to have those e-mails local, for search [12:58] Riddell: qtwebkit is still stuck in proposed? [12:58] shadeslayer: powerpc still compiling isn't it? [12:59] just done, it should go in shortly [13:00] ahh okay [13:00] ScottK, approve the ubuntustudio-default-settings SRU in Precise queue plz.... [13:00] I just thought that everything looked good, so was wondering why it hadn't migrated [13:00] Nice, we got Google Code-In this year (will be participating) [13:01] who's we? [13:01] Riddell, we = the world's people:) [13:01] Teenagers, rather [13:12] [ubuntu/saucy] qtwebkit-source 2.3.2-0ubuntu2 (Accepted) [13:12] dooby de doo doo feeling groovy [13:23] network management settings in kubuntu 13.10 has no wired or vpn tab options, all that's available is a settings appearance option . I'm going to crosspost thius in #ubuntu+1 too. [13:24] BluesKaj: it's got a long list of options including wired and various vpns [13:25] there is a plasmoid settings option , but no kde dialog option [13:25] Riddell, I'll post a prtscrn [13:26] possibly you don't have the plugins necessary? [13:27] BluesKaj: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/plasma-nm.png add button has a long list [13:28] I seem to be missing some kde user space [13:29] http://wstaw.org/m/2013/10/10/snapshot1.png [13:30] BluesKaj: how do you get to there? [13:32] Riddell, by rightclicking on the etherent wdget [13:32] err ethernet [13:33] BluesKaj: ah interesting, don't think I've seen that before, yeah it looks incomplete [13:33] looks fine for me http://i.imgur.com/Pv0oE4d.png [13:33] yup, it sure does [13:33] but it's only to set what details is shown, nothing about making a connection [13:33] ^^ [13:34] Riddell, exactly [13:35] Riddell, where are you finding the connection editor ? [13:36] BluesKaj: left click -> spanner icon -> edit connections [13:38] I have the plasmoid popups showing when I left click [13:38] connection popup [13:38] BluesKaj: and there should be a spanner icon [13:38] that you can click [13:39] yes that what I showed earlier in the screenshot [13:39] hiho [13:40] in the nn popup dialogbox , shadeslayer [13:40] nm that is [13:40] nah, wrong spanner [13:41] BluesKaj: http://i.imgur.com/sAReDcD.png [13:41] BluesKaj: bottom right [13:43] shadeslayer, I don't have that available [13:43] o_o [13:52] think I'll install a daily to fill in the missing apps [13:53] somethingf has definitely fallen thru the cracks [13:57] missing some libs , guess I lost some when I purged gnome after experimenting with it for a couple days [14:09] Good afternoon. [14:09] hi lordievader [14:10] lordievader: we had a request to remove the Installation pages from the docs as it's not ready yet, fancy taking that on sometime? [14:10] Phew not sure if I'm going to have time for that. Perhaps I can do it sunday if that is not too late. [14:10] smartboyhw: did you give up on digikam 3.4? [14:11] was going to poke about that ^^ [14:11] bug 1221851 [14:11] bug 1221851 in digikam (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please merge digikam 3.4.0-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1221851 [14:12] Riddell, give up (ENOTIME basically) [14:12] " add transitional package from networkmanagement " [14:12] shouldn't that be fixed *now* [14:13] shadeslayer: yep, I can do it or you can take it on [14:13] can do [14:21] highvoltage: bad for you guys? http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/09/1648218/south-african-education-department-bans-free-and-open-source-software [14:22] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p4c06b30b [14:23] wtf @ slashdot story [14:23] shadeslayer: lovely [14:24] Riddell: uploaded, please accept once it hits the archive [14:25] s/archive/queue [14:29] Riddell: yeah it's horrible [14:30] Riddell: it's actually against government policy so I don't think it will stand [14:30] also, delphiwtf [14:30] I remember that from 20 years ago [14:31] the company selling all these delphi licenses are trying to make a big case for delphi being modern and being the shortest path to writing android + iphone + windows apps, etc, etc [14:31] shadeslayer: not seeing it [14:32] spending lots of money trying to convince everyone that it's a good choice. [14:32] and the only other language they're comparing it too is java. [14:32] but there's a whole bunch of us making the case for python instead. [14:37] apachelogger: 13.10 l10n board done except upstream issue with ksplash [14:43] Riddell: yay [14:43] ubottu: find gee.h [14:44] apachelogger: can I close the board? [14:44] Riddell: yeah [14:51] wow we have a lot of changes in digikam [14:51] it's a beast of a package [15:33] oh crap [15:33] Riddell: the transitional package will be in New [15:39] shadeslayer: approved! [15:40] \o/ [16:22] jussi, apachelogger, Riddell: wat.? [16:23] Sput: I think it was a contentless ping, carry on [16:24] ok. :) [16:24] and yes, our po/CMakeLists.txt is scary [16:25] mostly because we need to somehow get the transifex stuff (.po) converted into Qt's stuff (which is not the same as KDE's) === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ [16:32] I'm bored [16:33] um, fix some bugs? [16:33] fix plasma-active [16:33] just needs something commented out from the startactive script [16:33] oh my [16:35] commented out? [16:35] or enable things that have been commented out [16:36] enable things that have been commented out [16:36] roger roger [16:36] dbus things I think, was in some bug report [16:37] yep, saw that [16:39] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p01edb7c4 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:42] shadeslayer: ah but does it do anything? [16:42] is kubuntu active installable? [16:42] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-active-data_1%3a0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack): [16:42] trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-dataengine-recommendations.desktop', which is also in package contour-data 3.0-0ubuntu2 [16:43] ubottu: find plasma-dataengine-recommendations.desktop [16:43] I think contour-data is obsolete [16:43] but kubuntu-active still seems to depend on it/ [16:44] meta package could do with an update then [16:44] good thing you're onto it :) [16:44] *nod* [16:47] Riddell: running startactive seems to work btw [16:48] shadeslayer: awesome, it didn't do much when I tried a live image the other day [16:48] ScottK: digikam in unapproved if you want to decide bug 1221851 [16:48] bug 1221851 in digikam (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Please merge digikam 3.4.0-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1221851 [16:48] Riddell: right, I ran startactive from a running KDE session [16:49] * Riddell out [16:54] whut http://pastebin.kde.org/pteaknylx [17:22] ok , I now have the "edit connections" option with NM , but the vpn connection icon doesn't show in the panel , the plasmoids in the last upgrades seem to be lacking network status icons/notifiers [17:49] is there going to be an RC image for kubuntu 13.10? [18:21] rohan: final image, yes [18:22] shadeslayer: so just the final on 17th? no interim RC? [18:23] rohan: I think the RC is ~final image [18:23] unless something goes horribly bad or sth, the RC will become the final image [18:23] there is no RC image, right? [18:23] i only see beta 2 [18:23] not yet, freeze today [18:23] RC images sometime over the week [18:24] so if i want 13.10 today, my best bet is to use the daily live from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/ ? [18:24] correct [18:24] or well [18:25] Beta 2 should be installable and better tested [18:25] we don't have the man power to test live images daily [18:25] so they might / might not install [18:25] fair enough [18:26] just trying to think how much i will have to upgrade after installing via beta2.. i think i'll need to get the new KDE at the least, right [18:26] I think so yeah [18:26] but I think it's like 300 MB's of updates, not *huge* [18:27] true, i guess i'll go with beta2 [18:27] awesome :) [18:27] thanks, shadeslayer [18:27] np [18:27] do you know if the installer allows using btrfs? [18:27] gna, any idea why my microphone gets suspended? all looks ok in alsamixer and phonon *sigh* [18:28] Blizzz: check pavucontrol? [18:28] aw, i hope there are no sound issues on my laptop: that's one of the reasons i'm switching from archlinux [18:28] rohan: try out the livecd to check ? :) [18:29] rohan: and regarding btrfs, yes, installer will offer that IIRC via manual partitioning [18:29] yep. kubuntu 13.04 worked perfectly [18:29] ah, sounds good [18:29] well, dunno, but stuff changed b/w 13.04 and 13.10 [18:30] ( hopefully for the better ) [18:30] shadeslayer: looks good, too [18:31] Blizzz: can you try muting and unmuting it [18:31] i am curious to know if pm-utils was deprecated. hopefully 13.10 is using systemd-login or such [18:31] shadeslayer: tried already [18:32] rohan: it's using a hacked up version of logind yes [18:32] and yeah, pm-utils should be removed [18:32] now after opening pavucontrol pactl list sources | less i had another source marked running here "pactl list sources | less" taken this to avconv works (was not there before). [18:33] shadeslayer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/kubuntu-desktop looks like it still depends on pm-utils [18:34] hmm odd [18:34] Riddell added it as a explicit dep [18:34] I thought we got it working [18:34] yofel: ^^ [18:35] uh, look at what's needed first - they changed something in upower again recently so I'm not sure whether logind actually works right now [18:35] kde's native logind support doesn't work [18:36] plus i don't see systemd or logind as a depends on that package [18:36] oh so 13.10 will continue using pm-utils, yofel ? [18:37] lets see if suspending works without pm-utils [18:37] probably - I've had no time to look at this at all recently [18:41] the reason i asked is because pm-utils doesn't support in-kernel hybrid sleep built in since kernel 3.6 [18:41] fedora has a patch for it, but it's not accepted upstream [18:49] I think I know the reason [18:49] and I can probably fix this by tomorrow [18:49] but should we land it [18:50] howdy [18:51] shadeslayer: if there is a bug open for it (or if you open it), could you share it please? i'd be interested to know what happens [18:56] sure [19:03] so I know the problem now [19:03] basically [19:03] upower is broken [19:03] and since ubuntu switched to the frankenstien mash of systemd-shim + logind, and logind worked for them [19:03] no one bothered with checking upower [19:04] ( alternative version, upower / systemd-shim are conflicting ) [19:04] libsolid checks systemd versioning [19:04] and that versioning interface is not present in ubuntu causing it to fallback to upower which doesn't work [19:06] * shadeslayer jumps out a window [19:07] oh goodie [19:07] yofel: want to update the meta package [19:08] could you please? [19:08] okay [19:08] thanks [19:08] wait - update how? [19:08] update kubuntu-meta I meant [19:08] update + upload [19:08] yeah, but with what? [19:09] just run germinate? [19:09] some stuff didn't get updated ( contour et all ) for active [19:09] ah nvm, I'm tired [19:09] want me to do it? [19:09] yes please [19:17] well this is weird [19:17] ./desktop:# * (printer-applet) [19:17] ./active: * (printer-applet) [19:17] why? [19:19] so what's new pw policy , do we need to use it at every turn , even tho I'm th eonly user andf have sudoers set up with for me all no password.What's changed here ? [19:19] this is pi**ing me off [19:51] ovidiu-florin: hey [20:06] ahoneybun: hey [20:10] lost the network manager in KDE after the last update/upgrade , have to use nm-applet , there's no kde network-manager widget available [20:12] must be the gnome/gtk network management files that come with installing a vpn client [20:13] which is linux friendly [20:30] Hi, I installed beta 2 and found some problems, I wanted to ask you before reporting bugs. [20:31] First, when I boot the live USB I don't get boot menu, only a black screen, when I press "Enter" the system starts loading. [20:32] I will use ubuntu-bug ubiquity to report it, or you have another idea? [20:37] Second, I have a UEFI system and my disk is GPT, I installed but the bootloader doesn't work (I get grub>>), I booted the system using another bootloader. [20:38] Third, is a request, please add Muon Discover to the Favorates menu to make it visible to new users. [20:40] mustafa_muhammad, discover is listed up front in the computer section of the kmenu [20:47] BluesKaj, I see, but I think it should be in the favorites, just an opinion, e.g. I open Dolphin and go anywhere from it, I never open menu->Computer [20:47] and we have some empty space in the favorites menu :) [20:48] mustafa_muhammad, let's hope discover is less clunlk by the official release date [20:52] err clunky [20:55] Let's hope so, is it made using QML? [22:19] why is there a separate image for Macs? how is it different?