[00:02] <ahoneybun> manchicken: good
[00:09] <manchicken> Very good.
[06:22] <soee> good morning
[09:01] <shadeslayer> mornign
[09:01] <shadeslayer> *morning
[09:10] <Riddell> hola chico
[09:14] <shadeslayer> hola Riddell
[09:14] <shadeslayer> hmm, no new u-m yet
[09:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you accept u-m if I re upload it?
[09:18] <shadeslayer> apparently I deleted u-m last night from my disk :/
[09:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: poke poke?
[09:26] <shadeslayer> I have to leave in 10 minutes :P
[09:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I've uploaded it, please approve when you get to it
[09:35] <shadeslayer> bye
[10:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: groovy
[10:43] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:51] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[10:51] <ovidiu-florin> do you also get an error here ? https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/sysadmin/ufw-kde/repository
[10:53] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin, yes
[10:53] <BluesKaj> internal error
[10:54] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: any ideea what can be done about that?
[10:54] <BluesKaj> nope :(
[10:55] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: -> #kde-sysadmin
[10:55] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: HTTP 5** errors are server errors, there isn't a whole lot you can do about it. Unless you are sys admin of that machine ;)
[10:55] <ovidiu-florin> ok ;)
[11:37] <Riddell> tsdgeos: you know about i18n magic? if launchpad gives me files in the form notificationhelper-ar.po is there some cmake magic to install them in the right place?
[11:37] <Riddell> the KDE norm is ar/notificationhelper.po
[11:38] <tsdgeos> no clue
[11:38] <Riddell> fooey
[11:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: so ubuntu language packs are off the table?
[11:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: next on my todo
[11:42] <apachelogger> what's the deal with notificationhelper then? :P
[11:42] <apachelogger> anyway, with cmake just hold on to what releaseme produces
[11:43] <apachelogger> basically you just need to have appropriate calls for GETTEXT_PROCESS_PO_FILES(da ALL INSTALL_DESTINATION ${LOCALE_INSTALL_DIR} ${_po_files} )            
[11:49]  * jussi prods at Riddell...
[11:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: notificationhelper gets its translations from launchpad
[11:50]  * Riddell caresses jussi 
[11:50] <jussi> aww
[11:50] <jussi> Riddell: now look at your PM's
[11:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: doesn't matter
[11:52] <apachelogger> a po is a po :P
[11:53] <apachelogger> unless you need codez to get the po out of lunchpad
[11:53] <Riddell> gosh quassel has a scary po/CMakeLists.txt
[11:53] <jussi> Sput: !!!
[11:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: relaseme puts lines like  GETTEXT_PROCESS_PO_FILES(pl ALL INSTALL_DESTINATION ${LOCALE_INSTALL_DIR} ${_po_files} )
[11:54] <apachelogger> Sput: ???
[11:54] <Riddell> but that's not possible for foo-pl.po
[11:54] <apachelogger> so rename foo-pl.po? :P
[11:54] <Riddell> I'm sure it's possible with cmake but my cmake foo would take some working out
[11:54] <Riddell> so yeah rename is what I'm thinking
[11:57] <apachelogger> from (template)-(language).po you cannot deduce where language starts, unless language cannot contain -, yet language can contain - with launchpad (zh-tw for example)
[12:01] <apachelogger> so, I dunno what you try to do but I think the way to go is write a script that uses the launchpad api to get the po files, so you can reliably get the language and template ids to save them such that you can build a cmakelists.txt accordingly
[12:02] <apachelogger> the only other option is you build a cmake macro around GETTEXT_CREATE_TRANSLATIONS ... such as GETTEXT_CREATE_TRANSLATIONS(${template}.mo ${template}-${language}.po)
[12:03] <apachelogger> but as I said, there is no 100% reliable parsing to get the template
[12:04] <apachelogger> (script seems more scalable anyway since you need a way to get all the pos :P)
[12:23]  * Riddell does the qtwebkit compiling dance https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/2.3.2-0ubuntu2
[12:27] <smartboyhw> Time to clean up the number of mails (> 450 in inbox)
[12:27] <Riddell> 450? you're lucky!
[12:28] <apachelogger> that's a lot
[12:28] <apachelogger> I only have 1219 in my actual inbox
[12:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, erm, that's mainly because in debian-qt-kde mailing list;)
[12:28] <smartboyhw> (Actually I don't normally get over 1000 except post-exam)
[12:29] <apachelogger> you do not filter mailing lists? :O
[12:54] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, no, don't see any need
[12:55] <mikhas> I just accepted to live with +10k unread e-mails
[12:55] <mikhas> but it's still nice to have those e-mails local, for search
[12:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: qtwebkit is still stuck in proposed?
[12:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: powerpc still compiling isn't it?
[12:59] <Riddell> just done, it should go in shortly
[13:00] <shadeslayer> ahh okay
[13:00] <smartboyhw> ScottK, approve the ubuntustudio-default-settings SRU in Precise queue plz....
[13:00] <shadeslayer> I just thought that everything looked good, so was wondering why it hadn't migrated
[13:00] <smartboyhw> Nice, we got Google Code-In this year (will be participating)
[13:01] <Riddell> who's we?
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, we = the world's people:)
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Teenagers, rather
[13:12] <Riddell> [ubuntu/saucy] qtwebkit-source 2.3.2-0ubuntu2 (Accepted)
[13:12] <Riddell> dooby de doo doo feeling groovy
[13:23] <BluesKaj> network management settings in kubuntu 13.10 has no wired or vpn tab options, all that's available is a settings appearance option . I'm going to crosspost thius in #ubuntu+1 too.
[13:24] <Riddell> BluesKaj: it's got a long list of options including wired and various vpns
[13:25] <BluesKaj> there is a plasmoid settings option , but no kde dialog option
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I'll post a prtscrn
[13:26] <shadeslayer> possibly you don't have the plugins necessary?
[13:27] <Riddell> BluesKaj: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/plasma-nm.png  add button has a long list
[13:28] <BluesKaj> I seem to be missing some kde user space 
[13:29] <BluesKaj> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/10/10/snapshot1.png
[13:30] <Riddell> BluesKaj: how do you get to there?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Riddell, by rightclicking on the etherent wdget
[13:32] <BluesKaj> err ethernet
[13:33] <Riddell> BluesKaj: ah interesting, don't think I've seen that before, yeah it looks incomplete
[13:33] <shadeslayer> looks fine for me http://i.imgur.com/Pv0oE4d.png
[13:33] <BluesKaj> yup, it sure does
[13:33] <Riddell> but it's only to set what details is shown, nothing about making a connection
[13:33] <shadeslayer> ^^
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Riddell, exactly
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Riddell, where are you finding the connection editor ?
[13:36] <Riddell> BluesKaj: left click -> spanner icon -> edit connections
[13:38] <BluesKaj> I have the plasmoid popups showing when I left click
[13:38] <BluesKaj> connection popup
[13:38] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: and there should be a spanner icon
[13:38] <shadeslayer> that you can click
[13:39] <BluesKaj> yes that what I showed earlier in the screenshot 
[13:39] <soee> hiho
[13:40] <BluesKaj> in the nn popup dialogbox , shadeslayer
[13:40] <BluesKaj> nm that is
[13:40] <shadeslayer> nah, wrong spanner
[13:41] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: http://i.imgur.com/sAReDcD.png
[13:41] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: bottom right
[13:43] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, I don't have that available
[13:43] <shadeslayer> o_o
[13:52] <BluesKaj> think I'll install a daily to fill in the missing apps 
[13:53] <BluesKaj> somethingf has definitely fallen thru the cracks
[13:57] <BluesKaj> missing some libs , guess I lost some when I purged gnome after experimenting with it for a couple days 
[14:09] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:09] <Riddell> hi lordievader
[14:10] <Riddell> lordievader: we had a request to remove the Installation pages from the docs as it's not ready yet, fancy taking that on sometime?
[14:10] <lordievader> Phew not sure if I'm going to have time for that. Perhaps I can do it sunday if that is not too late.
[14:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: did you give up on digikam 3.4?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> was going to poke about that ^^
[14:11] <Riddell> bug 1221851
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, give up (ENOTIME basically)
[14:12] <shadeslayer> " add transitional package from networkmanagement "
[14:12] <shadeslayer> shouldn't that be fixed *now*
[14:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep, I can do it or you can take it on
[14:13] <shadeslayer> can do
[14:21] <Riddell> highvoltage: bad for you guys? http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/09/1648218/south-african-education-department-bans-free-and-open-source-software
[14:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p4c06b30b
[14:23] <shadeslayer> wtf @ slashdot story
[14:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: lovely
[14:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uploaded, please accept once it hits the archive
[14:25] <shadeslayer> s/archive/queue
[14:29] <highvoltage> Riddell: yeah it's horrible
[14:30] <highvoltage> Riddell: it's actually against government policy so I don't think it will stand
[14:30] <highvoltage> also, delphiwtf
[14:30] <Riddell> I remember that from 20 years ago
[14:31] <highvoltage> the company selling all these delphi licenses are trying to make a big case for delphi being modern and being the shortest path to writing android + iphone + windows apps, etc, etc
[14:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not seeing it
[14:32] <highvoltage> spending lots of money trying to convince everyone that it's a good choice.
[14:32] <highvoltage> and the only other language they're comparing it too is java.
[14:32] <highvoltage> but there's a whole bunch of us making the case for python instead.
[14:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: 13.10 l10n board done except upstream issue with ksplash
[14:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: yay
[14:43] <apachelogger> ubottu: find gee.h
[14:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: can I close the board?
[14:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah
[14:51] <Riddell> wow we have a lot of changes in digikam
[14:51] <Riddell> it's a beast of a package
[15:33] <shadeslayer> oh crap
[15:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the transitional package will be in New
[15:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: approved!
[15:40] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:22] <Sput> jussi, apachelogger, Riddell: wat.?
[16:23] <Riddell> Sput: I think it was a contentless ping, carry on
[16:24] <Sput> ok. :)
[16:24] <Sput> and yes, our po/CMakeLists.txt is scary
[16:25] <Sput> mostly because we need to somehow get the transifex stuff (.po) converted into Qt's stuff (which is not the same as KDE's)
[16:32] <shadeslayer> I'm bored
[16:33] <Riddell> um, fix some bugs?
[16:33] <Riddell> fix plasma-active
[16:33] <Riddell> just needs something commented out from the startactive script
[16:33] <Mamarok> oh my
[16:35] <shadeslayer> commented out?
[16:35] <shadeslayer> or enable things that have been commented out
[16:36] <Riddell> enable things that have been commented out
[16:36] <shadeslayer> roger roger
[16:36] <Riddell> dbus things I think, was in some bug report
[16:37] <shadeslayer> yep, saw that
[16:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p01edb7c4
[16:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ah but does it do anything?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> is kubuntu active installable?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-active-data_1%3a0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[16:42] <shadeslayer>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-dataengine-recommendations.desktop', which is also in package contour-data 3.0-0ubuntu2
[16:43] <shadeslayer> ubottu: find plasma-dataengine-recommendations.desktop
[16:43] <Riddell> I think contour-data is obsolete
[16:43] <shadeslayer> but kubuntu-active still seems to depend on it/
[16:44] <Riddell> meta package could do with an update then
[16:44] <Riddell> good thing you're onto it :)
[16:44] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[16:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: running startactive seems to work btw
[16:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: awesome, it didn't do much when I tried a live image the other day
[16:48] <Riddell> ScottK: digikam in unapproved if you want to decide bug 1221851
[16:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: right, I ran startactive from a running KDE session
[16:49]  * Riddell out
[16:54] <shadeslayer> whut http://pastebin.kde.org/pteaknylx
[17:22] <BluesKaj> ok , I now have the "edit connections" option with NM , but the vpn connection icon doesn't show in the panel , the plasmoids in the last upgrades seem to be lacking network status icons/notifiers
[17:49] <rohan> is there going to be an RC image for kubuntu 13.10? 
[18:21] <shadeslayer> rohan: final image, yes
[18:22] <rohan> shadeslayer: so just the final on 17th? no interim RC? 
[18:23] <shadeslayer> rohan: I think the RC is ~final image
[18:23] <shadeslayer> unless something goes horribly bad or sth, the RC will become the final image
[18:23] <rohan> there is no RC image, right? 
[18:23] <rohan> i only see beta 2
[18:23] <shadeslayer> not yet, freeze today
[18:23] <shadeslayer> RC images sometime over the week
[18:24] <rohan> so if i want 13.10 today, my best bet is to use the daily live from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/ ? 
[18:24] <shadeslayer> correct
[18:24] <shadeslayer> or well
[18:25] <shadeslayer> Beta 2 should be installable and better tested
[18:25] <shadeslayer> we don't have the man power to test live images daily
[18:25] <shadeslayer> so they might / might not install
[18:25] <rohan> fair enough 
[18:26] <rohan> just trying to think how much i will have to upgrade after installing via beta2.. i think i'll need to get the new KDE at the least, right 
[18:26] <shadeslayer> I think so yeah
[18:26] <shadeslayer> but I think it's like 300 MB's of updates, not *huge*
[18:27] <rohan> true, i guess i'll go with beta2 
[18:27] <shadeslayer> awesome :)
[18:27] <rohan> thanks, shadeslayer 
[18:27] <shadeslayer> np
[18:27] <rohan> do you know if the installer allows using btrfs? 
[18:27] <Blizzz> gna, any idea why my microphone gets suspended? all looks ok in alsamixer and phonon *sigh*
[18:28] <shadeslayer> Blizzz: check pavucontrol?
[18:28] <rohan> aw, i hope there are no sound issues on my laptop: that's one of the reasons i'm switching from archlinux 
[18:28] <shadeslayer> rohan: try out the livecd to check  ? :)
[18:29] <shadeslayer> rohan: and regarding btrfs, yes, installer will offer that IIRC via manual partitioning
[18:29] <rohan> yep. kubuntu 13.04 worked perfectly
[18:29] <rohan> ah, sounds good
[18:29] <shadeslayer> well, dunno, but stuff changed b/w 13.04 and 13.10
[18:30] <shadeslayer> ( hopefully for the better )
[18:30] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: looks good, too
[18:31] <shadeslayer> Blizzz: can you try muting and unmuting it
[18:31] <rohan> i am curious to know if pm-utils was deprecated. hopefully 13.10 is using systemd-login or such 
[18:31] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: tried already
[18:32] <shadeslayer> rohan: it's using a hacked up version of logind yes
[18:32] <shadeslayer> and yeah, pm-utils should be removed
[18:32] <Blizzz> now after opening pavucontrol pactl list sources | less i had another source marked running here "pactl list sources | less" taken this to avconv works (was not there before).
[18:33] <rohan> shadeslayer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/kubuntu-desktop looks like it still depends on pm-utils 
[18:34] <shadeslayer> hmm odd
[18:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell added it as a explicit dep
[18:34] <shadeslayer> I thought we got it working
[18:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^^
[18:35] <yofel> uh, look at what's needed first - they changed something in upower again recently so I'm not sure whether logind actually works right now
[18:35] <yofel> kde's native logind support doesn't work
[18:36] <rohan> plus i don't see systemd or logind as a depends on that package 
[18:36] <rohan> oh so 13.10 will continue using pm-utils, yofel ? 
[18:37] <shadeslayer> lets see if suspending works without pm-utils
[18:37] <yofel> probably - I've had no time to look at this at all recently
[18:41] <rohan> the reason i asked is because pm-utils doesn't support in-kernel hybrid sleep built in since kernel 3.6 
[18:41] <rohan> fedora has a patch for it, but it's not accepted upstream 
[18:49] <shadeslayer> I think I know the reason
[18:49] <shadeslayer> and I can probably fix this by tomorrow
[18:49] <shadeslayer> but should we land it
[18:50] <ahoneybun> howdy
[18:51] <rohan> shadeslayer: if there is a bug open for it (or if you open it), could you share it please? i'd be interested to know what happens 
[18:56] <shadeslayer> sure
[19:03] <shadeslayer> so I know the problem now
[19:03] <shadeslayer> basically 
[19:03] <shadeslayer> upower is broken
[19:03] <shadeslayer> and since ubuntu switched to the frankenstien mash of systemd-shim + logind, and logind worked for them
[19:03] <shadeslayer> no one bothered with checking upower
[19:04] <shadeslayer> ( alternative version, upower / systemd-shim are conflicting )
[19:04] <shadeslayer> libsolid checks systemd versioning
[19:04] <shadeslayer> and that versioning interface is not present in ubuntu causing it to fallback to upower which doesn't work
[19:06]  * shadeslayer jumps out a window
[19:07] <rohan> oh goodie 
[19:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: want to update the meta package
[19:08] <yofel> could you please?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> okay
[19:08] <yofel> thanks
[19:08] <yofel> wait - update how?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> update kubuntu-meta I meant
[19:08] <shadeslayer> update + upload
[19:08] <yofel> yeah, but with what?
[19:09] <shadeslayer> just run germinate?
[19:09] <shadeslayer> some stuff didn't get updated ( contour et all ) for active
[19:09] <yofel> ah nvm, I'm tired
[19:09] <shadeslayer> want me to do it?
[19:09] <yofel> yes please
[19:17] <shadeslayer> well this is weird
[19:17] <shadeslayer> ./desktop:# * (printer-applet)
[19:17] <shadeslayer> ./active: * (printer-applet)
[19:17] <shadeslayer> why? 
[19:19] <BluesKaj> so what's new pw policy , do we need to use it at every turn , even tho I'm th eonly user andf have sudoers set up with for me all no password.What's changed here ?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> this is pi**ing me off 
[19:51] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: hey
[20:06] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: hey
[20:10] <BluesKaj> lost the network manager in KDE after the last update/upgrade  , have to use nm-applet , there's no kde network-manager widget available 
[20:12] <BluesKaj> must be the gnome/gtk network management files that come with installing a vpn client 
[20:13] <BluesKaj> which is linux friendly
[20:30] <mustafa_muhammad> Hi, I installed beta 2 and found some problems, I wanted to ask you before reporting bugs.
[20:31] <mustafa_muhammad> First, when I boot the live USB I don't get boot menu, only a black screen, when I press "Enter" the system starts loading.
[20:32] <mustafa_muhammad> I will use ubuntu-bug ubiquity to report it, or you have another idea?
[20:37] <mustafa_muhammad> Second, I have a UEFI system and my disk is GPT, I installed but the bootloader doesn't work (I get grub>>), I booted the system using another bootloader.
[20:38] <mustafa_muhammad> Third, is a request, please add Muon Discover to the Favorates menu to make it visible to new users.
[20:40] <BluesKaj> mustafa_muhammad, discover is listed up front in the computer section of the kmenu
[20:47] <mustafa_muhammad> BluesKaj, I see, but I think it should be in the favorites, just an opinion, e.g. I open Dolphin and go anywhere from it, I never open menu->Computer
[20:47] <mustafa_muhammad> and we have some empty space in the favorites menu :)
[20:48] <BluesKaj> mustafa_muhammad, let's hope discover is less clunlk by the official release date 
[20:52] <BluesKaj> err clunky
[20:55] <mustafa_muhammad> Let's hope so, is it made using QML?
[22:19] <rohan> why is there a separate image for Macs? how is it different?