[00:35] <wilee-nilee> 13.10's home is showing hidden files, inspite of dconf-editor not ticked for this, no biggie just wondering.
[00:37] <Ari-Yang> wilee-nilee: when will 13.10 officially be released? and is libg3dvl-mesa shipped with it?
[00:37] <k1l_> !saucy
[00:38] <Ari-Yang> ah
[00:38] <Ari-Yang> and what about libg3dvl-mesa? :T
[00:38] <Ari-Yang> for gallium3D
[00:41] <k1l_> dont know
[00:57] <Xabster> Hi, I tried downloading saucy-desktop-amd64.iso and copy it to USB stick with "dd if=my.iso of=/dev/sdc" but I can't boot from it
[00:57] <Xabster> or rather, the menu comes up but when i select "install ubuntu" i get "wrong magic number, load kernel first"
[03:18] <roadfish> how stable is the 13.10 ISO right now? I'd like to install something tomorrow ... or is it best to wait until 17th?
[03:47] <SirFunk_> For some reason my notifications are whacky now. They just show a blue square box with plain text in them, any ideas?
[07:01] <dariusc93> whatever they did to pulseaudio and alsa in 13.10 is very buggy when it comes to installing 32bit drivers for skype
[07:20] <Volkodav> dariusc93: +1
[07:21] <dariusc93> i hope its fixed on the official release..
[07:45] <Volkodav> hope so too
[10:28] <blueyed> Is gnome-terminal meant to have the HUD enabled? (ie menu moved out of the window and tapping Alt allows to access it)
[10:40] <blueyed> Ok, I can at least use the "Show menubar" option to hide it. The HUD itself appears to be broken in general here.
[10:43] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:34] <blueyed> Is the "Options" dialog gone from keyboard settings? (where you can configure caps lock behaviour etc)
[12:00] <lem1310> hi all.. just giving 13.10 a spin before its release. i just noticed that both gedit and nautilus windows now need to be focused to respond to mousewheel scroll events. libreoffice writer, firefox, gnome-terminal and compizconfig-settings-manager all behave like before (can scroll just by hovering, no need to focus)
[12:16] <popolon> hi
[12:16] <popolon> http://popolon.org/gblog3/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Cubieboard2_Ubuntu-13.10-Saucy.b2.jpg
[12:17] <popolon> I installed an ubuntu 13.10 on an ARM cubieboard2 from ubuntu-core successfully
[12:17] <popolon> but there is still a network problem
[12:18] <popolon> I have to make an ifup -a /my/file/for/eth0
[12:18] <popolon> loopback is ok
[12:18] <popolon> eth0 uses dhcp
[12:18] <popolon>  in my case
[12:19] <popolon> I seen that on X86version, there are no files at all in /etc/network/interfaces.d/
[12:19] <popolon> and this works fine
[13:03] <dariusc93> popolon: if you dont mind me asking,  but why arm?
[13:04] <popolon> because I use arm cpu
[13:04] <popolon> that's a good reason isn't it ?
[13:05] <popolon> this cpu use far less power than x86 (<15w for the whole system), is really compact, I can put my finger on the SoC, that integrate everything, and is far better organized than x86 or amd64 stuff, if you want to ask why to choose arm
[13:06] <popolon> and powerfull enough for what I do
[13:06] <dariusc93> okay lol
[13:06] <dariusc93> I was just wondering
[13:06] <dariusc93> normally I thought the arm version of ubuntu was for mobile devices xD
[13:07] <popolon> and far less expansive, and with lot of funny connectors and ... some other things I probably forget
[13:07] <popolon> probbly few years ago yes, but arm SoCs are more and more powerfull
[13:07] <popolon> far better than intel with integrated chips to make media center for example
[13:08] <popolon> good enough to make X terminal computer
[13:08] <dariusc93> sounds like something that the pi could be use for
[13:08] <popolon> yes !
[13:08] <popolon> pi is used by a friend as media center
[13:08] <popolon> but not powerfull enough for desktop
[13:09] <popolon> and has no SATA (the cubieboard2 has one)
[13:09] <popolon> etc...
[13:09] <popolon> the drivers are still experimentals, this board was first selled in june :)
[13:09] <dariusc93> the pi is good for light stuff, but  not a full blown desktop
[13:09] <dariusc93> lol
[13:10] <popolon> http://popolon.org/cubieboard/demos_video.201310/  <= some test with the actual state of drivers (using xubuntu 13.04)
[13:10] <popolon> mypaint 1.1 works well
[13:10] <popolon> good enough with wacom for drawing
[13:11] <popolon> mypaint git version doesn't, but probably due to some changes in architectures, even on 64 bits x64 there are some problems
[13:12] <popolon> most arm only manage OpenGL ES, not OpenGL, new one manage OpenGL
[13:12] <popolon> and there are some linux industrial server working on arm, that has more power/watt/m² than x86, that's a coming market
[13:13] <popolon> but we are out of topic
[13:13] <popolon> and this doesn't resolv my problem
[13:13] <popolon> :)
[13:14] <dariusc93> lol
[13:14] <dariusc93> how does 13.10 work for you so far? It works fine except for pulse audio and alsa -_-
[13:15] <popolon> works fine for me
[13:15] <popolon> on x86
[13:15] <popolon> only installed on arm this night
[13:15] <popolon> need more tests
[13:16] <popolon> I use xubuntu
[13:16] <popolon> and the audio volume icon doesn't work
[13:16] <popolon> but sound work
[13:16] <popolon> and alsamixer can be used for that
[13:24] <BluesKaj> network management settings in kubuntu 13.10 has no wired or vpn tab options, all that's available is a settings appearance option
[15:06] <Rory> In saucy, the programs "gksu" and "gksudo" aren't installed by default; what is the preferred way to launch graphical applications with elevated privelages from the terminal? Is it safe to use "sudo" now without clobbering the ~/.Xauthority file?
[16:31] <dariusc93> do anyone know if saucy daily build ever changed or is it stuck at the final beta build?
[18:17] <mnd999> Hi, having a problem with Saucy beta. Network manager widget has totally disappeared. How do I get it back?
[18:19] <mnd999> I can kinda see that it changed to plasma-nm, but thats installed and doesn't seem to work
[18:20] <wastrel> plasma is kde isn't it?
[18:21] <mnd999> yes
[18:21] <wastrel> nm-applet
[18:21] <mnd999> nope
[18:21] <wastrel> not nm-applet?
[18:21] <mnd999> thats gnome
[18:21] <wastrel> i'm beginning to suspect you're using kde
[18:21] <mnd999> yes, kubuntu
[18:22] <wastrel> well i hope you figure out your thing ♥
[18:22] <mnd999> i tried #kubuntu but was sent here
[19:21] <BluesKaj> so what's the new pw policy , do we need to use it at every turn , even tho I'm the only user and have sudoers set up with for me all no password.What's changed here ?
[20:02] <BluesKaj> lost the network manager in KDE after the last update/upgrade  , have to use nm-applet , there's no kde nm available
[20:09] <BluesKaj> lost the network manager in KDE after the last update/upgrade  , have to use nm-applet , there's no kde network-manager widget available
[20:09] <BluesKaj> oops
[20:10] <tekonivel> i think i just started running Mir. I believe i am in the future :)
[20:10] <BluesKaj> oops , meant to post that in devel
[20:11] <BluesKaj> well, lets hope the future is bright  :)
[20:11] <BluesKaj> I'm sticking with KDE
[20:13] <tekonivel> BluesKaj: the future looks quite the same as the past. I'm not even sure if i am there. I'm running saucy, and installed ubuntu-system-compositor
[20:13] <tekonivel> i still have $DISPLAY defined, so it's not too much unlike the 1990's with X11 :)
[20:14] <BluesKaj> tekonivel, I have no idea , but perhaps checking your display settings in system settings might tell you something othger then the resolution
[20:14] <BluesKaj> other than
[20:17] <tekonivel> xlogo(1) still runs...
[20:17] <tekonivel> the questions is..... when you arrive in the future, how can you possibly tell?
[20:17] <tekonivel> oh well
[20:27] <nopf> hi. just to be sure: this is for questions about saucy? ...where my problem is probably not fully saucy specific
[20:29] <tekonivel> nopf: yeh saucy is the topic here
[20:31] <nopf> well i tried full encrypted install, which didn't work out. "/dev/mapper" (the suggestion) was no good to install grub into. on 2nd try without encryption now on lvm on a so called software raid which is in the bios it seems of a server. i just don't know where to put grub.
[20:34] <nopf> oh btw i use netinstall via pxe
[20:36] <nopf> the thing is, grub doesn't even come up at all. it installed to /dev/<lvname> without error. how can it boot? don't i have to install to a physical drive bootblock at all?
[20:38] <BluesKaj> nopf, usually to the mbr on the sda assigned device ,...raid could be differnt dunno
[20:38] <nopf> so i have /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/md126 /dev/mapper/lv1 /dev/mapper/swp1 ... i haven't tried /dev/md126. on third thought that might be the reasonable choice...
[20:39] <nopf> BluesKaj: yeah, thought so. only sda and sdb errord out on install. the raid it seems, so md126 i'll try now
[20:40] <nopf> nope... grub-install failed...
[20:41] <nopf> ... and some weeks ago i thought, installing to uefi was hard ...