=== freeflying is now known as freeflying_away === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === doko_ is now known as doko === psivaa is now known as psivaa-afk === psivaa-afk is now known as psivaa === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying [15:04] * slangasek waves [15:05] hi [15:06] * stgraber waves [15:06] slangasek: i dont have anything pressing today [15:06] The list of things I've forgotten to do in the past several months now includes: enabling support for recoverable error reports server-side :-/ [15:06] (RT 65174) [15:06] #startmeeting [15:06] Meeting started Thu Oct 10 15:06:40 2013 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:06] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:07] [TOPIC] Lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round [15:08] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox stokachu) [15:08] bdmurray xnox stgraber slangasek cjwatson barry jodh ev doko stokachu [15:08] bdmurray: hello! [15:08] stokachu: ack :) [15:08] bug triage [15:08] tested update-manager bug 1119427 [15:08] removed usage of gksu from ubuntu-release-upgrader - bug 1210649 [15:08] added phased-update knowledge to update-notifier - bug 1223321 [15:08] bug 1119427 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with AttributeError in update(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'saveDistUpgrade'" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1119427 [15:08] bug 1210649 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Raring) "/usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk:TypeError:on_button_upgrade_now_clicked:run:error:error:__init__:__init__:function" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210649 [15:08] bug 1223321 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) "update-notifier notifies of phased-updates for which you may not be eligible" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1223321 [15:08] click chroot modifications [15:08] reviewed / approved P SRU of libreoffice [15:09] ⌁ done [15:09] bdmurray: Are you finished with the chroot work? I think I was waiting for a response to my most recent comment before circling back [15:09] * emulator: [15:09] - adbd into android available out of the box [15:09] - serial into ubuntu available out of the box [15:09] - everything else is built and boots correctly [15:09] - emulator on the people.c.c is updated, but is kind of hand-build [15:09] (some patches are not in saucy) [15:09] - todo: /data/ is not mounted inside the android-lxc container [15:09] * bugs: [15:09] - fixed up u1 page bug in ubiquity (couldn't login/sign-up) [15:09] - putting spam plug into upstart-udev-bridge (and related debugging) [15:09] - todo: spam plug on the udev source in systemd-udevd [15:10] - fixing FTBFS in main [15:10] .. [15:10] No fancy report today, fighting with dbus/kernel/lxc over in #ubuntu-touch (not sure why since it doesn't affect touch though ;)) ... [15:10] cjwatson: no, I was going to have a poke at it again today [15:10] [15:10] Quite a lot of upload queue reviews [15:10] Looked into a couple of ubiquity bugs (xnox, what's the status on the webkit related one?) [15:10] LXC code reviews and cherry-picked a bunch of bugfixes (including trying to sort out the dbus/apparmor mess introduced by recent kernels...) [15:10] Added logging support to system-image [15:10] Started to work on some of the changes required for ports support for system-image [15:10] Some more touch related work (debugging udm, system-image, ...) [15:10] (DONE) [15:11] bdmurray: ok, cool [15:13] stgraber: right, it's on my todo list. but i don't think i'll get to it today. [15:14] xnox: yeah, no worries, I kind of gave up on that one after I told cjwatson and slangasek I'd take care of it so I at least keep an eye on it to make sure we make progress (our initial guess was something related to logind I may have been able to help with, but now that it's clearly a webkit issue, I'm not too useful ;)) [15:15] stgraber: i see. [15:15] stgraber: my guess was to move loading up T&C webpage, only if/when people click to see it. Instead of on module import. Thus at that point we at least know if network is available and don't fail the install horibly. [15:16] * working to try to reproduce bug #1234731 in upstart [15:16] * being hamstrung by bug #1228406 [15:16] * freeze reviews [15:16] bug 1234731 in dbus (Ubuntu) "calling 'initctl set-env -g' from within an upstart job is lost" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234731 [15:16] (done) [15:16] bug 1228406 in linux (Ubuntu) "[LENOVO 3249CTO] suspend/resume failure" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1228406 [15:17] Lots of archive cleanup. NBS now zero, amd64 and armhf zero uninstallables, saucy_outdate_all.txt almost cleared, proposed-migration backlog improved, component-mismatches-proposed tidied up, fixed various build failures. [15:17] ARM64 porting. Lots of build supervision and scheduling. Loads of config.guess/config.sub updates. Fixed dlopen segfault in statically-linked programs which is harmless but confused the fault watcher we have to have in our builds at the moment. [15:17] Investigated bug 1237519. [15:17] bug 1237519 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "Grub2 fails to install to non-standard device path" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1237519 [15:17] Working on displaying Launchpad builder versions in the UI so that upgrades are slightly less painful to monitor. [15:17] To do: [15:17] * Finish reviewing and merging Brian's chroot management branch (carried over). [15:17] * Hunt through GRUB code to try to chase down bug 1229458 (carried over). [15:17] bug 1229458 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grubnetx64.efi tftp client does not work over ipv6" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1229458 [15:17] * Merge Steve's GRUB patch (in progress). [15:17] * Look for last-minute installer bugs to hoover up. [15:17] .. [15:17] (I can't take credit for all the archive cleanup obviously :) ) [15:17] short week due to illness. [15:17] system-image: LP: #1215586, LP: #1206588, LP: #1235975 [15:17] Launchpad bug 1215586 in Ubuntu system image "The u/i cannot handle the array-of-dictionaries update descriptions" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215586 [15:17] Launchpad bug 1206588 in Ubuntu system image "test_service_exits() can't run on system bus" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206588 [15:18] Launchpad bug 1235975 in Ubuntu system image "Unsafe file and directory permissions" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235975 [15:18] done [15:18] xnox: not sure if that'll be enough though, here I clearly had network access and ubiquity would work fine if started under sudo, so it seems like we've got a permission issue somewhere (write to cache, config, similar stuff?) [15:18] * upstart [15:18] - Fixed bug 1234898. [15:18] - Investigated bug 1235231. [15:18] - Investigated bug 1234743. [15:18] bug 1234898 in upstart "upstart-local-bridge not handling all events sent to it" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234898 [15:18] bug 1235231 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "plymouth loses output to /dev/console (such as ci-info: messages)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235231 [15:18] - Investigating bug 1235649 - multiple issues: relates to 1234743 and [15:18] bug 1234743 in linux (Ubuntu) "omapfb module floods system with udev events on samsung galaxy nexus" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234743 [15:18] bug 1235649 in unity (Ubuntu Saucy) "uevent spam causes session upstart to consume massive amounts of memory on Ubuntu Touch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235649 [15:18] what looks to be an incorrect use of the D-Bus API (ongoing). [15:18] ಠ [15:18] stgraber: set a11y?! [15:19] (cause that's one thing that webview does) [15:19] jodh: i think mhr3 can be a dbus expert, he seems to be working a lot with e.g. for https://launchpad.net/dee [15:20] - Chat with Rick on the 1SS move. [15:20] xnox: ack, thanks. [15:20] - Chat with James on the 1SS move. [15:20] - Call with Chris and Andy on getting a role account in canonistack for team [15:20] projects. Chatted with Tom Haddon over the approach. Submitted an RT. [15:20] - Call with Chris on the vanguard implementation. [15:20] - Landing task force standups. [15:20] xnox: could be [15:20] - Work with Chris on getting OOPS support into lp:qa-dashboard. [15:20] - Some light code review. [15:20] - Chased Canonistack role account (RT 65080). [15:20] - Debugging GNetworkMonitor waking up frequently with apw (LP: #991481). [15:20] Suggestions welcome. [15:20] - A few meetings with Alice on the move. [15:20] Launchpad bug 991481 in Whoopsie "Constant dns traffic for daisy.ubuntu.com" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/991481 [15:20] xnox: if sudo strips some of that from the environment, that may be the different [15:20] *difference [15:20] - Set up a project to manage the new canonistack role account: [15:20] https://launchpad.net/ci-engineering-canonistack [15:20] - Call with Rick, Larry, pinky, Herb, and James Troup on the 1SS move. [15:20] - Catch up call with Chris. [15:20] - Reviewed some small changes from deej to the daisy and daisy-retracer charms. [15:20] - Investigated using apport-retrace for the touch images for lool. Chat with [15:20] lool and pitti about how we can override UnreportableReason. [15:20] - Chased jjo on https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=64590. [15:20] - Mail to the CI team, explaining the new Canonistack role account. [15:20] - Arranged a meeting with the whole CI team to discuss the 1SS move. [15:20] stgraber: cause ubiquity-dm does process and sets/unsets a11y & modifies gsettings which wouldn't be there, if boot straight to desktop. [15:21] - Mail to ubuntu-engineering, letting them know how they can engage the CI [15:21] engineering team. [15:21] - Worked with Chris and Alex to further clarify our responsibilities in the [15:21] wiki. [15:21] - Call with Alex, Steve, Leann, Michael, and Colin on the landing spreadsheet [15:21] and what we're doing post-release. [15:21] - Created RT 65144 for setting up oops.canonical.com for reports.qa.ubuntu.com. [15:21] - Mail to ubuntu-engineering explaining how to retrace crashes. [15:21] - Chased retracers in prodstack. Nearly there! [15:21] - Working with the AUS folks to find an acceptable meeting time. [15:21] - Small review and merge from Steve for daisy armhf retracer config. [15:21] - Helping the CI team chase a LXC/apparmor issue around dbus. [15:21] - Chasing up statsd RT with alexlist, psivaa, and vila. Waiting for init script [15:21] fixes from jjo. [15:21] - Chased up oops.canonical.com reporting from dashboard.qa.ubuntu.com (RT 65144) [15:21] - Putting Larry and Rick in charge of lab access and discussing using IS' LDAP, [15:21] per Alex's request. === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away [15:21] - Chasing up why we're not seeing the autopilot documentation on [15:21] http://utah.readthedocs.org/en/latest/. [15:21] - Helped jjo debug statsd configuration. [15:21] - Fixes to lp:daisy to support recoverable problems server-side. [15:21] - Investigated bugs in the retracers from deej that turned about to be wrong [15:21] package versions in the deployed charms. [15:21] (done) [15:22] I think there's more, but I forgot to write down whatever it was I did last week [15:22] oh, one other thing on my to-do, the germinate run at the end of the publisher is crashing with something arm64-related and I need to investigate why ASAP [15:22] jodh: do you have all the remote access to a mako device that you need for reproducing the problem in place on the phone? [15:25] slangasek: yes, I do now thanks. [15:25] jodh: ok, good [15:25] doko: your turn :) [15:25] - one more last (later?) gcc-4.8 update for saucy, fixing wrong code-gen for gmp and nss [15:25] - update all our cross binutils and compilers [15:25] - fixing build failures, ftbfs looks good (main), the test rebuild too besides some texinfo related ftbfs [15:25] - Address remaing MIRs [15:25] - Trying to prepare a Go meetup during Linaro Connect together with mwhudson and some google Go devs [15:25] - Prepare an AArch64 test chroot [15:25] - AArch64 upload orgies [15:25] - last Thu was national holiday, was sick on Fri [15:25] (done) [15:28] ev: pitti suggested something simple for forcing report on .crash [15:28] doko: so I didn't get back to you on your question about wrong code generation on armhf [15:28] hm? [15:28] I think it's too late (and was already too late) to do much about this before release, besides release note it [15:28] ev: just remove the unreportable reason with vi and submit it (ugly, but works); he didn't want an official flag as this approach is frowned upon in the first place [15:28] yeah [15:29] lool: seems reasonable [15:29] doko: I was puzzled by something in your mail, you said that it affected 64-bit math, but the test case for it is only using 32-bit ints? [15:30] was it? hmm ... just chatted with linora tcwg guys [15:30] yeah [15:30] so if it affects 32-bit math, that worries me a lot more :-) Yet the problem was only reported in things like gmp [15:31] and if we had a widespread problem with 32-bit math I would expect everything to be on the floor, and it's not [15:31] yes, I add the list of packages that apparently were affected [15:31] those affected packages were all ones that caught the bug in the testsuite though, right? [15:32] yes, I'm sure about nss and the cyrpto package, didn't check the others [15:33] so the part that worries me is the packages that might be affected but *don't* have test suites [15:33] exactly [15:33] but I don't think we currently can quantify this well enough to release note it [15:33] "some math might be broken" is scaremongering, not a useful release note [15:33] well, it's not broken anymore [15:34] doko: can you work with the Linaro guys to try to identify the scope of this? Any chance that there's a way to search the archive for packages that include the wrong code? [15:34] or maybe they know that this is a very rare corner case that only affects heavy-duty math libs [15:34] right, it's not broken for anything built with the current compiler [15:34] the ubuntu security team has code for searching archive packages === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [15:35] slangasek, the corner case was the issue which did show up in mpfr. right, will check again, but afaiu just scanning the assembler for some instructions isn't possible [15:35] will do that at connect [15:35] bdmurray: yeah, what doko said, the hard part is scanning the binary for assembly sequences [15:35] xnox, did you feel disturbed? ;-P never typing that much during meetings [15:36] I know there are tools out there for scanning for instructions, but perhaps in this case it's too difficult to craft a proper match for the breakage [15:36] anyway [15:36] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:36] ? [15:36] doko: I use push-to-talk such that I don't make noise =) [15:37] * xnox ponders if Saucy Salamander, will be followed by Tasty Tintin [15:38] I could use some help with bug 1024590 [15:38] bug 1024590 in update-manager (Ubuntu Saucy) "update-manager crashed with AttributeError in _on_download_changed(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_value'" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1024590 [15:39] xnox: a tintin is an animal? [15:40] tasty turkey [15:42] tangy tadpole [15:42] bdmurray: how can we help? [15:43] reading the bug log, it seems you're already pretty far down the rabbit hole [15:43] and then I got stuck [15:44] anyone have some spare cycles to help bdmurray with this? [15:46] [15:46] bdmurray: I can try to take a look this afternoon, but no promises :/ [15:47] slangasek: okay, no problem [15:47] anything else today? [15:48] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:48] Meeting ended Thu Oct 10 15:48:44 2013 UTC. [15:48] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-10-15.06.moin.txt [15:48] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-10-15.06.html [15:48] thanks :) [15:48] thanks! [15:48] thanks [15:56] thanks === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Maple[] is now known as RDisBestPony === RDisBestPony is now known as Maple[] === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying