[07:07] <jared> No, I'm Jared :) There can only be ONE
[07:25] <jussi> no Im sparticus!!!.... oh wait...
[08:10] <Tm_T> you must mean Spartacus
[08:22] <jussi> pffft, grammar pedant :P
[10:10] <Tm_T> jussi: you must mean spelling
[11:01] <knome> ahahah. :)
[13:38] <Pici> !prayer
[13:39] <Myrtti> I wasn't telling people to not run it. I was telling you to stop being an idiot.
[13:39] <Blacklite_> i got banned from ubuntu-offtopic for uttering this command  :(){ :|:& };:
[13:39] <Myrtti> yeah.
[13:39] <Myrtti> don't be an idiot.
[13:39] <Myrtti> and it wasn't a ban yet.
[13:39] <Blacklite_> it was just a kick?
[13:39] <ikonia> this isn't the first time though is it
[13:40] <Blacklite_> first time I've mentioned the almighty forkbomb
[13:40] <Blacklite_> but no, not the first time i've been kicked.
[13:40] <ikonia> not the first time you've been banned though is it
[13:40] <ikonia> you've been warned and TOLD to read the guidelines of the channel
[13:41] <ikonia> ljl make it quite clear that if it happened again it would not be easy to get unbanned
[13:41] <Blacklite_> I read them. this was not mentioned.
[13:41] <ikonia> and here you are trying to destroy peoples machines
[13:41] <ikonia> Blacklite_: really - you don't think trying to destroy someones session is in line with the guidelines ?
[13:41] <Blacklite_> I was joking, assuming that nobody would be dumb enough to run it.
[13:41] <ikonia> then you assumed wrong
[13:41] <ikonia> and you've not read / understood the guidlines
[13:41] <Blacklite_> did someone actually run it?
[13:41] <ikonia> it doesn't matter, it's your intention
[13:42] <ikonia> and you've been told about the rules of the channel MANY times now
[13:42] <Blacklite_> my intentions were 100% benign
[13:42] <ikonia> yet you appear to keep breaking them
[13:43] <ikonia> lets be honest - it's time you found somewhere else to "chat"
[13:43] <Blacklite_> may I remind you that the same thing was mentioned by someone else mere seconds before?
[13:43] <ikonia> no
[13:44] <Blacklite_> I was just trying to give you guys a good chuckle. that's all.
[13:44] <ikonia> ljl unbanned you at 14:22 explaining about the guidlines, at 15:19 on the same day you where swearing, you broke the rules 20 minutes after being unbanned, now you do this sort of thing
[13:44] <ikonia> I think it's time you went to another channel to "chat" as it's clear you cannot follow the rules of this channel
[13:44] <ikonia> sorry not 20 minutes, but you get the point
[13:45] <LjL> Blacklite_, since i am responsible for unbanning you, i feel obligated to ban you again now, as i can't believe you were being "benign" even after a !danger factoid was given, making it entirely clear that such "tricks" are not appreciated. The only reason the other people didn't get a warning, I believe, was that their command was a bit more obscure and people had a harder time recognizing it as dangerous.
[13:46] <ikonia> ahh you're active, super,
[13:46] <Blacklite_> so, because mine was waaay more obvious, it makes it worse somehow?
[13:46] <Blacklite_> that makes no sense
[13:47] <LjL> Blacklite_: the guidelines and CoC are a framework, which one is supposed to apply common sense to. You showed a lack of ability or willingness to do that. The current ban will only be removed after we get confident your attitude has changed, which is now very unlikely to take a short time.
[13:47] <LjL> Blacklite_, I don't think I ever mentioned making anything worse.
[13:47] <Blacklite_> The only reason the other people didn't get a warning, I believe, was that their command was a bit more obscure and people had a harder time recognizing it as dangerous.
[13:48] <Blacklite_> this implies that because my command was not obscure and totally obvious that I got in more trouble than the other guy.
[13:49] <Blacklite_> which makes no sense.
[13:49] <ikonia> Blacklite_: look at the fact
[13:49] <ikonia> Blacklite_: you got banned after multiple warnings - ljl gave you the guidlies, unbanned you and explained the warnings
[13:49] <Blacklite_> the fact is, i'm being persecuted for a minor joke.
[13:49] <Myrtti> wrongdoings of others don't justify yours
[13:49] <ikonia> Blacklite_: you then swore a LOT straight after being unbanned
[13:50] <ikonia> Blacklite_: you got away with that - you then start dropping fork bombs
[13:50] <ikonia> so your overall behaviour - is unacceptable
[13:50] <ikonia> after multiple warnings
[13:50] <Blacklite_> that's dumb.
[13:50] <ikonia> and thats why you can't use the channe;
[13:50] <ikonia> channel
[13:50] <ikonia> you think following the rules is dumb
[13:50] <LjL> Blacklite_: this decision is final. please part now.
[13:50] <Blacklite_> Sorry for wasting your time.
[13:50] <Blacklite_> goodbye.
[13:52] <LjL> @mark Blacklite_ Banned again after he dropped a forkbomb in #ubuntu-offtopic and dropped it again after !danger. He doesn't appear to understand what I've told him, given he argues it's "dumb" that he got in "more trouble" than the other guy giving a bad command.
[16:31] <Jordan_U_> ikonia: I don't know where you're going with lixd but it looks to me like thier main problem is that they're trying to install grub legacy. Looking up grub legacy error codes might not lead them to the proper solution of installing grub2.
[16:32] <ikonia> it depends on the problem
[16:32] <ikonia> finding out the actual problem he's got seems the most logical approach
[16:32] <ikonia> then you can find a solution, be that installing grub2 or fixing grub1
[16:34] <Jordan_U> ikonia: I seriously doubt that fixing grub legacy is a solution, it looks like they found an old guide for installing grub-legacy and tried to follow it (hence the "I needed to apt-get grub").
[16:34] <ikonia> that's not what he said
[16:34] <ikonia> he said it was a clean install
[16:34] <ikonia> suggesting it's either an older distro or an upgrade
[16:34] <ikonia> which is why I want to know the real problem
[16:34] <ikonia> but it's hard as he's telling lies, so he maybe telling lies about a clean install
[16:35] <IdleOne> Not everybody is capable of going from A to B to C. Sometimes people need to be told how to do B before they can understand A.
[16:36] <Jordan_U> ikonia: It could also be that they started with an entirely different booting problem, then came to the error 17 after trying to fix it without realising they were using an outdated guide / remwmbering old ways.
[16:36] <ikonia> Jordan_U: that's not what he said, but sure it's possible
[16:36] <ikonia> however as I said he appears to not be being honest, so it's hard to know
[16:37] <ikonia> he said "it's a clean install and won't boot" - that to me does not suggest he's gone off and done things such as install grub1 or anything like that, but I don't trust his reasoning
[16:38] <ikonia> Jordan_U: ok, so it's 13.04 - so it should be grub2 so it suggests he's not being straight about what's going on
[16:38] <IdleOne> or maybe he is telling the truth as he understands it.
[16:39] <IdleOne> badgering him and calling him a liar is not getting him any closer to a working install
[16:39] <ikonia> who's badgerig him
[16:40] <IdleOne> you did.
[16:40] <ikonia> how did I badger him
[16:40] <bazhang> !5.04
[16:40] <IdleOne> by repeating multiple times to look up the error code and saying that he isn't telling the truth.
[16:41] <bazhang> what!
[16:41] <ikonia> IdleOne: that is fact
[16:41] <bazhang> ah 5.10
[16:41] <ikonia> IdleOne: he needs to look it up so we can move forward, and he keeps saying he has, but then he's not, so he's not telling the truth
[16:41] <ikonia> in the same way he's saying it's a clean install - but doesn't appear to be
[16:41] <ikonia> if you want to advise people without knowing the genuine status of their machine, go right ahead, I'm not
[16:42] <IdleOne> what does it matter if he knows what the error code is, right now the priority is to get him back to a working install. He can learn about the error codes later.
[16:42] <ikonia> it does matter if he knows what the error code is
[16:42] <ikonia> so that we can help him
[16:42] <ikonia> or I'll have to look it up
[16:42] <ikonia> all he had to say was "no, not done that"
[16:43] <IdleOne> All you had to do was look it up right quick and you would have been able to get him sorted by now probable. instead you got a user who is frustrated and doesn't know how to get his computer working.
[16:44] <ikonia> I would look it up if he said "nope" but as he said "yes" I asked him what it is
[16:44] <ikonia> and as it turns out he's not being honest, doing any leg work himself, you'll notice I've backed away and not helped any more
[16:44] <Jordan_U> ikonia: There are terrible guides that will say that error 17 is a peoblem with the MBR much like he explained, and provide a (wrong for him) solution like he's trying to attempt.
[16:45] <ikonia> Jordan_U: he's not saying anything, just it's a problem with error 17
[16:45] <ikonia> you're welcome to jump in and help hi
[16:45] <ikonia> him
[16:45] <ikonia> I tried to find the information out from him, failed, I'm not helping hi
[16:45] <ikonia> m
[16:45] <ikonia> you're welcome to dive right in
[16:45] <Jordan_U> ikonia: I find things like boot info script to be the best way to determine the state of a machine as users have a lot of misconceptions whwm it comes to booting.
[16:46] <ikonia> I disagree on that, I don't like the script, but if it works for you, get him to run it and help him out
[16:51] <Jordan_U> I've learned what info I can trust from it, and it's faster and easier than having them run all the commands I'd like on my own.
[16:51] <Jordan_U> But it certainly has issues.
[16:52] <ikonia> I don't think it's a bad tool, I just don't like it personally
[16:52] <ikonia> things can always be improved, but it's just not how I like the information, so I don't use it
[19:07] <K1rk_2> Hi, I'm banned from #xubuntu for excess flood ("k1rk")  Can this be lifted now that I've resolved the issue?  Thanks!
[19:08] <Myrtti> done
[19:12] <LjL> K1rk_2, in the future please don't enrage Picard
[19:13] <ikonia> make it so
[19:21] <DJones> ikonia: You're only allowed to say that if you've shaved your head
[19:22] <ikonia> it's pretty short at the moment, so I can get away with it
[19:22] <DJones> :)
[19:23] <ikonia> I'm more like riker at the moment with my beard
[19:23] <ikonia> so I'll just lean on things a lot and not really do a lot of work
[19:24] <DJones> Reminds me of a couple of weeks ago, was reading a star trek/X men crossover book, laughed at the comment about Picard & Xavier meeting & the comments about how they looked
[19:24] <ikonia> a mirror.....
[19:25] <DJones> Not quite, but crossover universes
[19:25] <ikonia> fyi: I'm at my parents next week, so if you are around, I maybe able to buy you lunch/drink/$something
[19:26] <DJones> Sadly, won't work, I;m being taken to Newcastle on Saturday for the week by wife & parents-in-law
[19:26] <ikonia> amazing timing
[19:27] <DJones> Going to Newcastle can never be good timing :)
[19:27] <ikonia> ha ha, I actually need to pick something up from Newcastle too funny enough
[19:27] <ikonia> so I also need to make that trip
[19:28] <DJones> If its something that can be picked up next week, I;m sure I could arrange to do that and drop it at your parents as a halfway point
[19:28] <ikonia> sadly, not that easy
[19:28] <ikonia> but a kind offer
[19:28] <DJones> No probs
[19:29] <DJones> I know Newcastle is one hell of a long way from me, and you're a hell of a lot further south
[19:29] <ikonia> yeah, an easyjet flight seem the logicl fix for me
[19:30] <ikonia> it works out about £45 so cheaper than driving/train etc
[19:30] <DJones> Sounds good apart from the luggage allowance
[19:30] <ikonia> well, it's actually excempt thanks to Easyjets musical instrument policy, so as long as I notify them 7 days before flight that I will need locker / non-hold storage for non-luggage, it's free :)
[19:31] <ikonia> same as golfclubs
[19:31] <ikonia> golf clubs even
[19:31] <DJones> I'm not driving up so doesn't worry me, I can sleep/read/audiobook all the way up
[19:31] <DJones> Thats great from a discount airline
[19:31] <ikonia> the only way to travel, be a passanger
[19:32] <ikonia> DJones: it's a loop hole from when stellios ran it, they can't close it, I did read up on it for some reason,
[19:32] <ikonia> people are abusing it a lot, putting things in glof bags, sealing the lid and saying it's clubs
[19:32] <DJones> Can't complain about that
[19:33] <ikonia> well, it means I get to take things for free, so I'm happy, and I'm not abusing it, as it's the correct usage of the correct policy
[19:33] <ikonia> but I do know someone who took his windsurfin kite thing in a huge golf bag case for free instead of £120 in the hold
[19:33] <DJones> This is always assuming we get up there, my wife is at her mums at the minute trying to stop her mum having a breakdown
[19:34] <ikonia> ah, complications
[19:34] <DJones> Very complicated family
[19:36] <DJones> Certainly too much to discuss in a logged channel
[19:36] <ikonia> yes, I stopped there for that very reason
[19:36] <DJones> No worries
[19:37] <DJones> At times, I think back to the pre-marital life, there was my parents, me and dogs
[19:38] <ikonia> simpler times
[19:38] <ikonia> I often ponder the same
[19:39] <DJones> This is my current relaxation http://dancol2012.wordpress.com/ 1st video, my dog & parents new puppy
[19:39] <ikonia> quite a coat on the black and white dog
[19:39] <DJones> And _NO_ you can't have the ball
[19:40] <DJones> Yeah, all show dogs, so brushed & bathed in an inch of their lives
[19:42] <DJones> Black one is Oscar which is mine, he's dads won best of breed at crufts multiple times, grands is top winner at crufts ever, to me Oscar is a pet dog and thats how he gets treated, part of the family, does whats needed
[19:42] <ikonia> wow, good breeding then
[19:43] <ikonia> I didn't know you where a dogs person
[19:43] <Pici> dog!
[19:44] <DJones> Very good breeding, sadly oscar doesn't win as much as he should, I think probably because my 70+ year old parents are showing him so can't get the right reaction out of him
[19:44] <ikonia> cxI like his dads name
[19:45] <DJones> Pici: Glad you didn't say cat, dog would have gone balistic
[19:45] <ikonia> "I"
[19:45] <DJones> Riff?
[19:45] <DJones> Thats pet name
[19:46] <DJones> I wanted to call Oscar "Tux" but was overuled
[19:46] <ikonia> no the Ch, Demeliews Dark Moon..."
[19:46] <DJones> Yeah, pet name is Riff
[19:47] <ikonia> some odd names there "Aualita Class Act With Corydon"
[19:47] <Pici> breeding names are weird
[19:47] <ikonia> causing me to have a chuckel
[19:47] <ikonia> chuckle even
[19:47] <Pici> They're like Ubuntu version names.
[19:48] <DJones> First part of the name is normally the breeders kennel name, middle bit is the dogs own name, last bit is the kennel name the dog has been sold to
[19:48] <ikonia> interesting
[19:49] <DJones> So for OScar, Rossavon was the breeder, Tuxedo is is kennel name & Dancol is our kennel name
[19:50] <DJones> You end up putting the three together for the full kennel name
[19:53] <DJones> Pici: Ubuntu version names are a lot simpler
[20:09] <K1rk_2> thanks!