[00:00] <xatr0z> repudiate: open dash (windows/super key), search for program, drag to desktop
[00:00] <xatr0z> repudiate: works on 13.04 here
[00:00] <rrm> Tylertwo: thank you so much... that worked right now
[00:01] <repudiate> xatr0z: That does work actually.
[00:01] <tree_> Any thoughts, anyone?
[00:01] <repudiate> Hard to navigate on this stupid VM.
[00:01] <Tylertwo> rrm, great, yw
[00:02] <repudiate> Ubuntu is not a sexy name.
[00:07] <Xabster> Hi, I'm on the commandline and I got 2 USB devices connected and I want to make sure I download the .iso to the correct USB so I can use it as a boot drive in order to reinstall. Can you help me to determine the correct one?
[00:07] <Xabster> It's dev/sdb or sdc i believe, possibly a number afterwards?
[00:08] <xatr0z> Xabster: use lsusb
[00:09] <mapps> hi guys - im trying to booty off a live cd on an old machine..getting chucked to a comand prompt..
[00:09] <mapps> tried booting with nomodeset gets stuck on the ubuntu boot logo
[00:09] <Xabster> xatr0z: that lists it, but that ID doesnt correspond to a dev/xxx
[00:10] <wilee-nilee> mapps, you checked the md5sum?
[00:10] <Xabster> or maybe it does, but how do I determine it?
[00:10] <xatr0z> Xabster: you should find the same id in /dev/disk/by-id/
[00:11] <mapps> wilee-nilee, i only downloaded it tonight and verified the burn..i assumed it was fine..could it be that making it drop to a command prompot
[00:11] <mapps> i should add its an old card
[00:11] <wilee-nilee> mapps, if you have a problem checking the sum is a fast and easy check
[00:11] <wilee-nilee> !md5sum | mapps
[00:11] <mapps> thanks mate
[00:12] <mapps> will do that now
[00:12] <wilee-nilee> mapps, getting a command prompt is unusual to begin with
[00:12] <mapps> yea
[00:12] <mapps> ive used ubuntu loads but this is an old machine (my friends)
[00:12] <mapps> p4 with a matrox g400
[00:13] <mapps> i wondered if its as its an old gx card
[00:13] <wilee-nilee> mapps, Might need a web install, no pae or another desktop like lubuntu or xubuntu which I believe are not pae.
[00:13] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> how can i get a list of all the current applied ppa's on my system?
[00:14] <wilee-nilee> !ppa-purge | Roy_Ubuntu_13-04
[00:14] <mapps> hey sory wilee-nilee  whats PAE? and web install?!
[00:14] <mapps> I tried lubuntuy same thing!
[00:14] <wilee-nilee> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04, That will remove the ppa's and there loads be aware.
[00:14] <wilee-nilee> mapps, pae is a type of kernel, a web install is a small iso download that calls the web for the install.
[00:15] <Guest90788> how to fix display nvidia server setting
[00:15] <wilee-nilee> !pae
[00:15] <mapps> ah
[00:15] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> i dont want ot remove them all, i have added several and setting up a new system and waht to see what i have through ppa's
[00:16] <wilee-nilee> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04, the purge only removes what you tell it to.
[00:16] <repudiate> Is there a way to map key shortcuts to openeing certain applications like Google Chrome?
[00:16] <wilee-nilee> look at the ppa's for what they provide
[00:16] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> how can i list whats there?
[00:16] <repudiate> !ppa
[00:16] <mapps> md5 checks out fine wilee-nilee
[00:16] <repudiate> !md5
[00:16] <mapps> hey wilee-nilee  would the alternate install cd be any use for me..whats that used for?
[00:17] <repudiate> Is there a way to map key shortcuts to openeing certain applications like Google Chrome?
[00:17] <wilee-nilee> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04, not sure you can list what ppa's have provided, and ppa's are not supported here anyway.
[00:17] <wilee-nilee> mapps, 12.04 was the last alternative I believe, its a text install.
[00:17] <Tylertwo> repudiate, what ubuntu version are you using?
[00:17] <Guest90788> how to nvidia server setting hdmi?
[00:17] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> i just dont know what ive forgotten about thats installed through a ppa, and i want to be reminded
[00:18] <mapps> ah
[00:18] <mapps> so that wouldnt be any benefit to me
[00:18] <wilee-nilee> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04, use nicks here please, look at the ppa's and see what they have.
[00:18] <mapps> id still have trouble loading the GUI?
[00:18] <Guest90788> anyone help me
[00:19] <cbilljones> does anyone know if its possible to remove "system settings" from shutdown menu?
[00:19] <wilee-nilee> mapps, I would run lspci and identify the graphics and see if that is the problem, I asume the live cd is showing a desktop right?
[00:19] <mapps> no the livecd starts i get the boot logo then it drops to a command prompt
[00:19] <wilee-nilee> !anyone | Guest90788
[00:20] <mapps> i tried to start ubuntu but it says cant open diusplay so tried loading gui manually and it hangs on the ubuntu logo
[00:20] <Guest90788> ok
[00:20] <repudiate> Tylertwo: 12
[00:20] <mapps> i get dropped to a command prompt -- shall i try lspci now then wilee-nilee ? thanks
[00:20] <wilee-nilee> Guest90788, You have to have some patience if you provide enough info and someone knows they will probably answer.
[00:20] <repudiate> Tylertwo: How do I check?
[00:20] <Guest90788> ok
[00:20] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> like i know i have a ppa for runescape applied to my system, how can i show it along with the others?
[00:21] <wilee-nilee> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04`"show it along with the others?" where?
[00:21] <Tylertwo> repudiate, lsb_release -a
[00:21] <repudiate> Is there a way to map key shortcuts to openeing certain applications like Google Chrome?  And how do I check which version of Ubuntu I'm running?
[00:21] <nibbler> !gq
[00:22] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> let me spell it out, t.h.e.r.e. i.s. a. f.e.w. apps that i have gotten through using ppa's, how can i find out what i have used
[00:22] <wilee-nilee> mapps, Ah I forgot you can't boot the live cd.
[00:22] <repudiate> Tylertwo: What's LSB?  I'm on 12.04.3
[00:22] <Guest90788> boh
[00:22] <loa> how i can set automatic affinity for new process?
[00:23] <wilee-nilee> !details | Roy_Ubuntu_13-04
[00:23] <Tylertwo> repudiate, dunno. just found that command on google.
[00:23] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> i want to apply all PPA's that are on the desktop over to my laptop
[00:23] <luke_> does anyone know how to make a ppa from the file unity3d makes
[00:24] <Tylertwo> repudiate, So you're gonna want to open your system settings GUI, then go to keyboard- shortcuts.
[00:24] <repudiate> Tylertwo: Linux Standard Base
[00:24] <Guest90788> bye
[00:24] <wilee-nilee> luke_, You want to have a ppa?
[00:24] <Xabster> I would very much like help in creating a bootable USB stick from the commandline... I'm stuck in commandline and my attempts are futile
[00:24] <aPpYe> is there a way to disable the banner that comes up when accessing my box via ssh?  This banner here:  http://pastebin.com/aJ221cQf
[00:25] <Tylertwo> repudiate, Tell me if that makes sense.. I'm not on Gnome so I can't check exactly
[00:25] <luke_> idk is that what you use for the softwere center
[00:25] <repudiate> Tylertwo: Can I only apply shortcuts to the applications that they have listed on there?
[00:25] <wilee-nilee> !who | luke_
[00:25] <repudiate> Tylertwo: I'm not in GNOME, I have Unity, I think.
[00:25] <xatr0z> aPpYe: thats not the banner (you cant really disable that)
[00:25] <xatr0z> aPpYe: its /etc/motd
[00:25] <Tylertwo> repudiate, Nope, you can make custom shortcuts. Do you see an option for that?
[00:25] <luke_> you wilee-nilee
[00:26] <xatr0z> aPpYe: just change it in your favorite editor as root and your done
[00:26] <wilee-nilee> luke_, You are lost, a ppa is a 3rd party repo, look it up on the web, ppa's are not technically supported here, you have some research to do basically.
[00:26] <mapps> wilee-nilee,  shall i still run lspci?
[00:27] <wilee-nilee> mapps, It should run from a command line.
[00:27] <repudiate> Tylertwo: I do :) Thanks.
[00:27] <mapps> yea ok il run it now thanks
[00:27] <Tylertwo> repudiate, yw
[00:27] <aPpYe> xatr0z, actually I just found .hushlogin ... this way it is not system-wide and only for the user:   http://askubuntu.com/a/32802
[00:28] <xatr0z> nice!
[00:28] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> wilee-nilee: ahh , so ill word it this way, how can i see all the current ppa repos that i am using
[00:29] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> how can i see all the current ppa repos that i am using wilee-nilee
[00:30] <Xabster> exit
[00:31] <xatr0z> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: they should be in the same window as other repositories
[00:32] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> ahh just thought of one way my self.... history | grep ppa
[00:32] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> i forget where the repo list is  xatr0z:
[00:33] <k1l_> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[00:33] <k1l_> that is for the ppas
[00:35] <repudiate> Tylertwo: Ok, I use irssi, the IRC client, but I'm having a difficult time setting up the keyboard shortcut. I went through the custom shorcuts and I listed irssi and the command "IRSSI" with the shortcut combination, but it doesn't seem to work. They command for irssi may be wrong. How can I know what is the correct command?
[00:35] <Xabster> Hi, can someone give me a link to the a .iso for Ubuntu 13.10 x64 desktop that contains a bootloader so the image can just be copied to an USB stick?
[00:35] <Xabster> I'm on commandline and can't google it myself
[00:36] <Tylertwo> repudiate, Since irssi is run in terminal I'm not sure you could create a shorcut for it. Generally whatever command works in terminal will work for a shortcut. Ie "firefox" launches firefox from terminal, so I know it will work as the command for a firefox shortcut as well.
[00:37] <repudiate> The command i use in the terminal is "irssi"
[00:38] <cbilljones> is it possible to remove "system settings" from shutdown menu?
[00:38] <Tylertwo> repudiate, You can create an alias for irssi if you want, so typing "i" or whatever string you'd like into terminal will run irssi instead of having to type it out.
[00:39] <repudiate> Tylertwo: I'm American, but I'm not necessarily that lazye
[00:39] <Tylertwo> repudiate, :p
[00:40] <Tylertwo> repudiate, I have that "i" alias set up but i always forget to use it and just type out irssi, lol
[00:40] <mapps> lol
[00:40] <mapps> wilee-nilee,  now i cant even get to a command prompt
[00:41] <mapps> its just hanging on the ubuntu logo
[00:41] <mapps> damnit
[00:42] <wilee-nilee> mapps, I thought you git one if you did not run nomodeset.
[00:42] <wilee-nilee> got*
[00:42] <wilee-nilee> mapps, HOw much ram does this computer have?
[00:43] <repudiate> Tylertwo: Ha, we're intrinsically not lazy, but we try our best to reprogam our DNA in any way that we can ha.
[00:43] <mapps> hm il check i got a cmd prompt at one point like the gui crashed i guess..but now its just hanging cant remember if it was with/without nomodeset
[00:43] <wilee-nilee> ! ot | repudiate
[00:44] <wilee-nilee> mapps, How much ram?
[00:45] <harushimo> question
[00:45] <harushimo> I keep on getting boot mgr is missing after my clean install of ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[00:45] <harushimo> how do I fix that
[00:46] <harushimo> I was reading about boot install
[00:46] <harushimo> I mean boot repair
[00:46] <bekks> harushimo: follow the instructions to repair grub2:
[00:46] <bekks> !grub2 | harushimo
[00:46] <wilee-nilee> harushimo, In what way do you get "boot mgr is missing"
[00:48] <harushimo> I get it everytime I boot into the system
[00:48] <harushimo> it asks to press ctrl-alt - del
[00:48] <wilee-nilee> harushimo, This a dual boot, are there more than 1 HD?
[00:48] <harushimo> no single boot
[00:48] <wilee-nilee> are there more than 1 HD?
[00:48] <harushimo> yeah
[00:49] <harushimo> I installed everything on my SSD and 2 other hds
[00:49] <wilee-nilee> harushimo, see if changing the read order in the bios fixes this
[00:49] <harushimo> I did that and it still didn't fix the problem
[00:49] <wilee-nilee> harushimo, was this a W8 computer perchance, IE UEFI?
[00:49] <bekks> harushimo: Dotn change the boot order in bios - just tell us where you installed grub2 onto?
[00:50] <harushimo> are you talking referring windows 8(if so, its not a W8 computer)
[00:51] <harushimo> grub2 is installed on my SSD
[00:51] <wilee-nilee> harushimo, answer bekks and you might run the boot repair bootinfo summary and post the url to it.
[00:51] <cbilljones> is it possible to remove "system settings" from shutdown menu?
[00:51] <harushimo> i'm in boot repair right now
[00:51] <wilee-nilee> harushimo, post the bootinfo summary
[00:52] <harushimo> they are two options: reinstall grub or restore MBR
[00:52] <harushimo> which should I pick
[00:52] <harushimo> I'm guessing reinstall grub
[00:52] <wilee-nilee> harushimo, lets not get lost here, use nicks.
[00:53] <harushimo> use nicks?
[00:53] <harushimo> I'm literally in boot repair as we speak
[00:54] <wilee-nilee> cbilljones, 2 seconds to find using your question. http://askubuntu.com/questions/44171/is-there-a-way-to-move-remove-system-settings-from-the-shut-down-menu
[00:54] <wilee-nilee> harushimo, run the bootinfo summary and post the url to it.
[00:55] <harushimo> how do I get the boot info? are you talking about after boot repair runs?
[00:56] <Xabster> Hi, I tried downloading saucy-desktop-amd64.iso and copy it to USB stick with "dd if=my.iso of=/dev/sdc" but I can't boot from it
[00:56] <cbilljones> wilee-nilee i did that, the file is deleted but option is still there
[00:56] <harushimo> alright
[00:56] <mapps> hey
[00:56] <mapps> wilee-nilee,
[00:56] <wilee-nilee> !saucy | Xabster
[00:56] <Xabster> or rather, the menu comes up but when i select "install ubuntu" i get "wrong magic number, load kernel first"
[00:56] <harushimo> I'm getting the bootinfo summary right now
[00:56] <mapps> 512mb ram and lspci says - matrox g400/g450
[00:56] <wilee-nilee> cbilljones, Is not there a reboot?
[00:57] <cbilljones> wilee-nilee yes i have rebooted many times since deleting the file
[00:57] <harushimo> wilnee-nilee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6216224/
[00:57] <jfmario> Question: I have dropbox on Windows 8 on hard drive 2. I have hard drive 1 partitioned with Ubuntu adn Windows 8. I now almost exclusively use Ubuntu. Is there a way install dropbox on ubuntu, tell it that i already have an account and the folder, and get it sycning so i don't have to open windows to make it sync?
[00:58] <wilee-nilee> cbilljones, not sure than I'm in 13.10 and that file exists even here. What desktop is this and have you modified it?
[00:58] <mapps> lubuntu doesnt work right nor does ubuntu
[00:58] <mapps> xubuntu would be the best option wouldn't it wilee-nilee ?
[00:58] <cbilljones> wilee-nilee its stock unity desktop on 13.04
[00:58] <wilee-nilee> mapps, How much ram do you have?
[00:58] <mapps> 512mb
[00:59] <wilee-nilee> mapps, Thats not much I would try a netinstall of lubuntu if it were me.
[00:59] <mapps> yea
[00:59] <mapps> what about normal xubuntu xubuntu says 256mb?
[00:59] <wilee-nilee> !mini | mapps
[00:59] <harushimo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6216224/
[00:59] <mapps> thanks
[00:59] <harushimo> any help would be great on this one
[01:00] <harushimo> what am i missing in my MBR?
[01:01] <harushimo> i'm going to purge and do a reinstall
[01:01] <Gabboz> harushimo, do none of the OSs boot?
[01:01] <eot3> hello
[01:01] <wafflejock> hello
[01:02] <OldTexas> Howdy
[01:02] <wilee-nilee> harushimo, which is athe ssd?
[01:02] <eot3> i have a question: how can i get gpg to use gpg-agent instead of seahorse. i want to make changes to gpg.conf, but these mean nothing to seahorse
[01:02] <harushimo> the OS boot after I going into my bios and click on the HD
[01:02] <harushimo> it won't boot automatically
[01:03] <eot3> my ubuntu 12.04 LTS autoloads seahorse (gnome-keyring-daemon) and never considers gpg-agent when i run gpg
[01:03] <macsplean> yo can someone recommend me a way to get my terminal to do highlight text like normal text document
[01:04] <eot3> any ideas? my internet research has not led me to the answer
[01:04] <wafflejock> macsplean: no idea what you mean? what terminal emulator do you use? I can't think of one that doesn't highlight like a normal text editor
[01:04] <OldTexas> macsplean, have you tried a different terminal
[01:04] <wafflejock> eot3: sorry no idea
[01:04] <wilee-nilee> harushimo, Is english your native language? if not what is we are not communicating very well.
[01:05] <ShutemDown> maybe he means without a mouse?
[01:05] <macsplean> wafflejock i guess you're right i can highlight but i have to right click to paste
[01:06] <wafflejock> macsplean: should be middle click to paste I think
[01:06] <macsplean> and yeah, without a mouse
[01:06] <macsplean> i dont have middle click
[01:06] <wafflejock> macsplean: and ctrl+shift+v to paste
[01:06] <wafflejock> or shift+ins
[01:06] <user_> i wamt to upgrade my ubundu
[01:06] <eot3> wafflejock: thanks for responding. if you have any other tips or irc channels i should check out, i'd appreciate.
[01:06] <macsplean> sweet wafflejock that works for pasting
[01:06] <wilee-nilee> user_, From?
[01:06] <user_> india
[01:06] <harushimo> The OS boots when I go into the bios and click on the HD
[01:06] <wilee-nilee> user_, What release?
[01:06] <wafflejock> eot3: sorry honestly just got back into IRC so I can't help you too much, I just started playing with gnome-keyring a little bit but my understanding is surface level at best
[01:07] <OldTexas> lol, no, from what version
[01:07] <harushimo> I think I fixed it
[01:07]  * Gabboz laughs with OldTexas 
[01:07] <wilee-nilee> from earth
[01:07] <user_> 5.0 to 12
[01:07] <wilee-nilee> user_, not possible
[01:07] <OldTexas> Wow.. 5.0!!
[01:07] <harushimo> when installing grub, do we need to install on multiple HDs or where you house the OS?
[01:07] <Gabboz> user_, open a terminal and type uname -a and paste the answer for us
[01:08] <wafflejock> macsplean: cool glad I could help
[01:08] <harushimo> I'm getting grub install menu
[01:08] <Gabboz> harushimo, same as os install usually
[01:08] <wafflejock> harushimo: yeah should be 1 drive
[01:09] <harushimo> thank you
[01:09] <wilee-nilee> user_, You will need to just install 12?
[01:09] <user_> sorry i dond get you iam the new user
[01:09] <wafflejock> GRUB gets started because it's on the MBR of the boot disk (I believe) then has the config for all the other drives where an OS might be
[01:09] <user_> how could i install 12?
[01:10] <Gabboz> user_, try #ubuntu-in
[01:10] <Gabboz> actually nevermind
[01:10] <wilee-nilee> !in | user_
[01:10] <OldTexas> download a 12.04LTS .iso and put it on a flash drive to boot from
[01:11] <wafflejock> I'd still say go the DVD route flash drives can be problematic
[01:11] <user_> i download the file"ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-i386.iso"
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> user_, If we can communicate, you download 12 what ever version and load it to a cd/usb.
[01:11] <wafflejock> user_: that should be fine you just need to burn it ImgBurn works for free on windows
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> user_, burn that to a dvd, or load a usb.
[01:11] <wafflejock> or Banshee on a Linux distro
[01:12] <wafflejock> er Brasero rather
[01:12] <user_> iload the image to the usb
[01:12] <wafflejock> Banshee i s amusic player I think... getting mixed up
[01:12] <ampw> can i update to software center 13.10 if i have ubunt 12.04
[01:12] <wilee-nilee> ampw, why?
[01:12] <ampw> wilee-nilee: i am curious
[01:13] <wafflejock> ampw: agree with the why from wilee-nilee but generally speaking you can uninstall any package and install some other package
[01:13] <wilee-nilee> ampw, That makes no sense, the version of the software center in 13.10 or the repos?
[01:13] <wafflejock> if it isn't in the repos you'd have to build from source and it may not work out
[01:13] <ampw> ok
[01:14] <abit> join lab4
[01:14] <wafflejock> I stripped out unity and the desktop packages that go with it and installed kde desktop then decided to just blow it all away and reinstall with Kubuntu cause I was digging KDE
[01:14] <wilee-nilee> ampw, Be aware if you go outside the repos of your version of install, you are not supported here basically, and or 3rd party sources.
[01:14] <elb0w> I'm trying to install ubuntu on my mbp, I rebooted to the install then I get "secure boot not enabled" then a grub menu comes up. when I choose install I end up with a black screen. Any ideas?
[01:15] <wilee-nilee> elb0w, mbp?
[01:15] <wafflejock> elb0w: not sure sounds like maybe something to do with EFI, do you have settings for EFI in the bios?
[01:15] <elb0w> not sure how to get to bios on a mac
[01:15] <wafflejock> oh mac book pro?
[01:15] <elb0w> yeah
[01:15] <wafflejock> hmm sorry done the hackintosh but not linux on a mac
[01:15] <elb0w> Ok
[01:16] <wilee-nilee> elb0w, try to use full words here. ;)
[01:16] <elb0w> sorry
[01:16] <elb0w> Oh cell phone
[01:16] <elb0w> on*
[01:16] <wafflejock> gotcha
[01:16] <wafflejock> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[01:17] <eot3> gpg question: if ubuntu really wants me to use seahorse, how can i configure gpg preferences (what is the seahorse equivalent of gpg.conf?)
[01:18] <|PiP|> is ZFS for Linux stable/reliable?
[01:18] <wilee-nilee> eot3, Why would ubuntu want you to use seahorse, do you mean using it with ubuntu?
[01:20] <wilee-nilee> ah I see it is on the install, not familiar with seahorse my bad
[01:20] <wafflejock> https://wiki.gnome.org/Seahorse <-- I can't find anything
[01:21] <wafflejock> I was looking for stuff about a conf file but it's all about the code... not sure what to tell ya
[01:21] <wafflejock> man seahorse
[01:21] <cbilljones> is it possible to remove "system settings" from shutdown menu?
[01:22] <eot3> wilee-nilee: ubuntu 12.04 LTS default install has my gpg using seahorse (gnome-keyring-daemon). i believe (perhaps wrong) that seahorse does not look at my gpg.conf file to see my preferences, and i also believe it doesn't look at my gpg-agent.conf file.
[01:24] <wafflejock> cbilljones: depends on which menu you use? are you talking in Unity?
[01:24] <eot3> so, bottom line, the easiest thing would be if i could tell gpg, you must use gpg-agent and must not use seahorse. but i don't know how to do that or configure seahorse
[01:24] <odjfousijoijsf> Hey guys, how come in Steam for Linux, on Ubuntu 12.04, full screen is overlayed by the Unity interface?
[01:24] <cbilljones> wafflejock yes, unity
[01:25] <wafflejock> cbilljones: this might help
[01:25] <wafflejock> http://askubuntu.com/questions/67927/how-do-i-get-restart-option-in-the-shutdown-menu-in-unity
[01:26] <cbilljones> wafflejock ive looked there, no option to suppres system settings
[01:29] <wafflejock> cbilljones: sorry just did a bit more poking around on Google but not finding anything on that either, I just ditched Unity and went with KDE myself because I wanted to be able to customize everything
[01:29] <sordidbass> i'm quite content with Unity on 12.04.3
[01:30] <cbilljones> wafflejock i know it can be tougher to customize unity, but overall i really like it and would prefer to stick with it
[01:30] <wafflejock> sordidbass: I thought it was fine too and upgraded to 13.04 with it but after having some problems with the login screen where I would have to log out and log back in for the desktop and launcher to fully load
[01:31] <wafflejock> not sure entirely what was wrong but decided to give KDE a shot since I hadn't used it in a while and really like the separate activities part of KDE and extreme ability to customize so for now I'm sticking with it
[01:31] <odjfousijoijsf> Hey guys, how come in Steam for Linux, on Ubuntu 12.04, full screen is overlayed by the Unity interface?
[01:31] <wafflejock> odjfousijoijsf: I didn't see this issue when I was running Steam in Ubuntu nor now in Kubuntu perhaps a GPU driver issue?
[01:32] <odjfousijoijsf> wafflejock steam is suggesting I upgrade to the latest nvidia drivers but they're not recommended by ubuntu
[01:32] <wafflejock> hah
[01:32] <odjfousijoijsf> should I upgrade?
[01:33] <wafflejock> like MySQL recomendding you use MD5 and SHA1 for encrpytion then I read a blog that says that's a terrible way to encrypt passwords :)
[01:33] <sordidbass> i cant get source games to work on AMD/12.04.3
[01:33] <wafflejock> odjfousijoijsf: dunno sorry
[01:34] <wafflejock> odjfousijoijsf: in the past I've upgraded drivers and had a mixed bag of results, sometimes it works out great other times I'm cursing the terminal
[01:34] <odjfousijoijsf> wafflejock the thing is everything just works right now so I don't want to open a can of worms and ruin my night
[01:35] <wafflejock> odjfousijoijsf: if you have a NAS or other attached storage you can use Clonezilla to back up your entire disk in case of problems
[01:35] <ewol> hi
[01:35] <ewol> how do I remove "nick list" in weechat?
[01:35] <wafflejock> it takes about 30 min depending on how much data you have to make an img out of your data
[01:36] <wafflejock> less time to cast it back down
[01:36] <wafflejock> it's nice to have a full backup anyhow
[01:36] <odjfousijoijsf> wafflejock what, it will restore my whole OS to before?
[01:36] <wafflejock> it's a block by block copy of the disk
[01:36] <wafflejock> everything is exactly the same
[01:36] <odjfousijoijsf> but I'd have to have  disk the same size or larger
[01:36] <wafflejock> I used it to clone some MS windows computers with XP (they had license stickers that I fixed the key for each later)
[01:37] <wafflejock> you do need a lot of space, but I believe it only requires as much space as is used it doesn't copy empty blocks
[01:37] <wafflejock> is uses a program called dd that does the work
[01:37] <odjfousijoijsf> I'll look into it
[01:37] <odjfousijoijsf> thanks
[01:37] <cbilljones> is it possible to remove "system settings" from shutdown menu? in 13.04 w/ unity
[01:37] <wafflejock> Clonezilla is just a nice bootable CD with some wizards that walk you through connecting to network or connecting to NAS
[01:37] <wafflejock> np
[01:44] <wafflejock> cbilljones: are you a fellow developer? I wonder if we couldn't find the code at play for the menu and see if it has anything in it that points to a conf file or the System Settings?
[01:45] <cbilljones> wafflejock not really a developer, im network admin; but im no stranger to code and can sometimes fix things
[01:50] <wafflejock> cbilljones: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/815077
[01:50] <wafflejock> it looks like it must be in the indicator-session package
[01:52] <cbilljones> wafflejock i found file "/usr/share/applications/gnome-control-center.desktop" it has option  "OnlyShowIn=GNOME;Unity;" maybe i try removing unity there?
[01:53] <wafflejock> sure just backup the file or remember your change... easier to make a .bak version just cp originalfile.desktop originalfile.desktop.bak
[01:54] <wafflejock> I'm looking at the source
[01:54] <cbilljones> wafflejock ya i should have backed it up, but i will remember, its rebooting now
[01:55] <cbilljones> wafflejock hopfully i didnt break anything as the pc is at my office, 20 mins away hehe
[01:56] <wafflejock> hmm in the .c file can't find System Settings specifically though, must be in some configuration file in here or somewhere else
[01:56] <wafflejock> The .c file says this at the top though which is promising
[01:56] <wafflejock> A small wrapper utility to load indicators and put them as menu items
[01:56] <wafflejock> into the gnome-panel using its applet interface.
[01:56] <cbilljones> wafflejock, my idea didnt work, going to look at other settings in this config file
[01:56] <wafflejock> cbilljones: are you remoting in with VNC? no SSH access
[01:57] <cbilljones> im using vnc, i have ssh on it, but no port forwarded for it
[01:57] <wafflejock> might be good to do that just while you're fiddling with things that might botch the dispaly
[01:58] <bekks> cbilljones: other way around. Establish an ssh conenction with vnc forwarding.
[01:58] <cbilljones> wafflejock i can forward the port if i break something :|
[01:58] <wafflejock> cbilljones: kk just CYA ya know
[01:58] <wafflejock> Cover Your Ass (CYA) excuse the slightly rough language
[01:58] <cbilljones> wafflejock, indeed, i always have backup plan to get in other ways
[02:06] <wafflejock> cbilljones: I found the code for it
[02:06] <wafflejock> I don't think you can edit it with a conf file
[02:06] <cbilljones> waffljock dang
[02:07] <eot3> wafflejock: just a note before i go, seahorse (gnome-keyring) responds to at least one test change in gpg.conf. i don't know about gpg-agent.conf
[02:07] <wafflejock> cbilljones: yeah sorry here's the pastebin http://pastebin.com/EDtnSDLE
[02:07] <cbilljones> could i change the source and compile myself?
[02:07] <wafflejock> in theory
[02:07] <wafflejock> haha
[02:07] <wafflejock> sometimes running the compilation can be a mess and you need to have dependencies, you should be all good on ubuntu though
[02:08] <wafflejock> I struggled trying to compile apache and svn on a NAS with a Sparc processor and some old version of Debian called Sarge
[02:08] <wafflejock> don't do that :)
[02:08] <cbilljones> wafflejock ya the looks like the right code
[02:08] <thinknow> Hi, why dosnt the software updater give me the chance to upgrade? I was waiting for bitcoin wallet to synch, and i got notification that i had to make a partial upgrade before i finish to upgrade to 13.04 (First 12.10. then 13.04 as i suppose you understand, i have 12.04, fresh install) Now when i check the software up to date, it just say its nothing, i have tried apt-get upgrade as well
[02:08] <wafflejock> it's in the indicator session one sec I'll get you the link I downloaded it from
[02:08] <cbilljones> ya ive been in dependency hell a few times myself over the years lol
[02:09] <wafflejock> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/indicator-session
[02:09] <jhawk28> hello, I'm trying to figure out how to fix the same issue as: http://askubuntu.com/questions/156348/how-can-i-get-add-apt-repository-to-work
[02:09] <wafflejock> I think that's the right version for 13.04, honestly though I'm not sure if just running the regular ./configure then make then make install will do everything to overwrite the existing indicator-session
[02:10] <jhawk28> but none of the things I try work
[02:10] <supergauntlet> Hello, is it possible to install ubuntu to a hard drive but have grub installed to another hard drive and pointing at the ubuntu installation?
[02:10] <supergauntlet> Like, my laptop has a 1 TB HDD and a 30 GB SSD
[02:11] <supergauntlet> I want to install xubuntu to the SSD, but my BIOS is terrible and won't let me change the hard disk boot order
[02:11] <supergauntlet> So what I want to do is install grub to the hard drive, and have it point at the windows install as well as the ubuntu install on the SSD
[02:12] <jhawk28> supergauntlet, sometimes the bios is weird on how it lets you change the boot order
[02:12] <Crazyzurfer> hi! what happens if I change permissions to a file or folder from the windows partition?
[02:12] <supergauntlet> I know this is doable but I'm not sure how to have grub point at my windows install
[02:12] <bekks> supergauntlet: sure.
[02:12] <supergauntlet> Crazyzurfer, what do you mean?
[02:12] <thinknow> what do yu mean with pointing at windows as well?
[02:12] <supergauntlet> jhawk28, I've looked through all the options
[02:12] <bekks> !grub2 | supergauntlet look at this:
[02:12] <wafflejock> jhawk28: have you tried just editing /etc/apt/sources.list yourself instead?
[02:12] <supergauntlet> thinknow, Just have an option to boot to windows in grub
[02:12] <supergauntlet> bekks, thanks
[02:13] <thinknow> i always have windows side by side with ubuntu and it shows up in grub each time
[02:13] <jhawk28> wafflejock, havent tried that, but none of the CRLs are correct. Its saying invalid cert for the ubuntu sites
[02:13] <Crazyzurfer> supergauntlet: I can access to my windows 7 partition from the file manager and from console, if I change the chmod permissions to a file in that partition, it changes the way windows uses it?
[02:13] <thinknow> win7, winxp, 2000 ++
[02:13] <supergauntlet> bekks, would I just do grub-install /dev/sda and edit grub.cfg as needd?
[02:13] <jhawk28> supergauntlet: what bios do you have?
[02:14] <supergauntlet> Crazyzurfer, I believe it would
[02:14] <cbilljones> wafflejock ive never compiled a single file like this from source after editting do you know how i apply?
[02:14] <supergauntlet> jhawk28, some american megatrends bios
[02:14] <wafflejock> yeah invalid cert should only happen for a few reasons, either it thinks the certificates validity date doesn't match or it can't contact or doesn't have the appropriate servers listed as trusted authorities
[02:14] <supergauntlet> I have a Vizio CN15, nice laptop but the BIOS is awful
[02:14] <bekks> Crazyzurfer: you cannot change permissions on a NTFS, since NTFS doesnt not anything about linux file permissions.
[02:14] <wafflejock> cbilljones: since this project has a Makefile you can use it
[02:14] <wafflejock> usually the process goes like this
[02:14] <wafflejock> ./configure
[02:14] <wafflejock> make
[02:14] <wafflejock> make install
[02:14] <FloodBot1> wafflejock: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:14] <wafflejock> sometimes you have to sudo make install... thx flood bot
[02:15] <supergauntlet> wafflejock, don't forget that you often have to change the prefix
[02:15] <Crazyzurfer> bekks: So if I try to change the permissions, it won't let me? or nothing will happen with windows
[02:15] <cbilljones> wafflejock i must have downloaded wrong thing give me a few
[02:15] <jhawk28> wafflejock: I verified that the time is current, deleted the crls/certs dir, and ran both the reinstall of ca-certificates and update-ca-certificates
[02:15] <bekks> Crazyzurfer: It lets you, but it has no effect.
[02:15] <wafflejock> supergauntlet: true there's also environment variables that may need to be set... any idea where the docs for building indicator-session could be found
[02:16] <supergauntlet> wafflejock, is ./configure --help not useful?
[02:16] <Crazyzurfer> bekks: thanks! so.. i will change permissions in ubuntu with no fear :)
[02:16] <bekks> Crazyzurfer: pretty pointless ;)
[02:16] <repudiate> Spec: hey
[02:16] <lauratika> what is the best app for remote access of my pc??
[02:17] <Crazyzurfer> bekks: It's for using that directory with lampp, so don't have repeated files in both partitions
[02:17] <Crazyzurfer> lampp requires +x permissions on the folder
[02:17] <wafflejock> oh looks like this acutally has Makefile.am so this is automake I believe... not super familiar with this but will see what kind of damage I can do here... supergauntlet any more advice?
[02:17] <cbilljones> wafflejack which file? indicator-session.c?
[02:18] <bekks> Crazyzurfer: LAMPP? dont use it. Dont. Never. Never ever.
[02:18] <bekks> Crazyzurfer: Use the ubuntu packages to install apache2, mysql, php and whatever you need.
[02:18] <Crazyzurfer> bekks: :O, why?.. it's just for developing, nothing serious
[02:18] <wafflejock> cbilljones: the file that had the stuff I pasted was src/session-menu-mgr.c:471:    mi = mi_new (_("System Settings\342\200\246"));
[02:18] <supergauntlet> brb rebooting
[02:19] <bekks> Crazyzurfer: dont use it. It isnt supported in here.
[02:19] <jhawk28> supergauntlet, does it have a way to see the boot priority? Can you select it and then hit enter?
[02:19] <wafflejock> bekks: also would say why? it's fine for development IMO
[02:19] <jhawk28> supergauntlet: I have a American Megatrends too
[02:19] <Crazyzurfer> bekks: not asking for support here :)
[02:19] <bekks> wafflejock: Its a totally messed up environment with entirely no chance to duplicate the setup to a live environment. Dont use it.
[02:21] <wafflejock> bekks: I don't understand what the problem is honestly I mean you don't want to have your configuration setup so it allows for as much stuff as you'll allow on a development machine but aside from permissions differences on files and in configuration how is it so vastly different
[02:21] <wafflejock> it's apache, mysql, php
[02:21] <jhawk28> wafflejock: is there a "Hard Disk Drives" under Boot Settings?
[02:21] <jhawk28> oops, supergauntlet: is there a "Hard Disk Drives" under Boot Settings?
[02:22] <wafflejock> okay yeah was confused
[02:22] <wafflejock> haha
[02:22] <cbilljones> wafflejock ok i made the change, cant run ./configure; do you know how this makefile.am works? haha
[02:22] <bekks> wafflejock: You miss the point. When developing for a live environmentm, you want to have an environment that is similar to the production environment. Hopefully, you will never ever ever have LAMPP in a production environment.
[02:23] <wafflejock> sorry haven't done a ton with make files been doing a lot of web dev lately so learning about grunt which is sort of an equivalent to make files for web development, I think you just need automake but not sure
[02:23] <wafflejock> bekks: can you point out all the differences? or which ones are so drastically breaking in your opinion?
[02:24] <bekks> wafflejock: differences are: no ubuntu packages involved in LAMPP, different configuration files, different database setup, different php setup, etc.
[02:24] <linuxnewbie> hello, what application do you use to monitor system update status  for the servers (i'm talking about 20+ servers)
[02:26] <wafflejock> bekks: are you talking about http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html
[02:26] <wafflejock> or are you talking about like "sudo apt-get install lamp-server^"
[02:27] <wafflejock> I don't think the former is any different from installing the packages individually
[02:27] <wafflejock> er rather the second crap
[02:27] <wafflejock> so if you do the lamp-server^ it just installs the same set of packages as you get with doing it youself it's not a XAMPP setup
[02:28] <wafflejock> or am I mistaken?
[02:29] <wheatthin> it's the same mysql apache and php
[02:29] <wheatthin> just with a gui
[02:32] <wafflejock> yeah wheatthin but I believe XAMPP versions are all preconfigured with very open permissions and showing errors etc., it's still not some drastic huge change IMO but is different from lamp-server^ or doing all the apt-get installs yourself
[02:33] <bekks> wafflejock: the configs are different, etc.
[02:34] <wafflejock> right but I don't think that's true if you do it with lamp-server^ in ubuntu that is the same as just doing each of the installs in order it gives you the "regular" configuration
[02:35] <bekks> wafflejock: it is true. Not believing in it means you will learn it the hard way. You have been warned.
[02:35] <wafflejock> you still have to setup your folder and file permissions appropriately etc. but it's no less secure than typing all the commands yourself... XAMPP on the other hand takes a lot of work to lock down
[02:35] <xyz111> Hi guys - a bit of a noob question - I have an SSH connection which I keep live 24/7 - it is essentially idle most of the time. What I want to know is whether this will cause a lot of data transfer (i.e. will I use up all my ISPs data transfer by keeping the pipe live n24/7 )? Thanks
[02:36] <bekks> xyz111: no it doesnt. it just takes a few kB every now and then to negotiate with the remote server.
[02:37] <OerHeks> xyz111, easy to see: let it stay connected for one hour idle, and count the data used
[02:37] <xyz111> OerHeks: I have no idea how to do that :( !
[02:38] <xyz111> bekks: thanks - so in a day, it might use a few tens of MB at most?
[02:38] <OerHeks> xyz111, doess your ISP have a panel showing used/left data?
[02:39] <xyz111> OerHeks: not that I am aware of
[02:39] <bekks> xyz111: yeah, I am online with an IRC client 24/7 - which uses about 100MB a month, with about 40 channels. Which is quite more than just idling.
[02:39] <gulag2013> Hi, Ubuntu is kicking the snot out Firefox, as far as launch speed and ram usage. My question is I can't locate "Opera" executable path using the terminal. I tried locate *opera* .  /usr/bin doesn't display in search query. Is there another way to search for opera?
[02:39] <xyz111> OerHeks, bekks : cool, thank you - this has been very helpful :)
[02:39] <wafflejock> bekks: what's your recomendation for installing Apache MySQL and PHP?
[02:40] <bekks> wafflejock: sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server ...
[02:40] <wafflejock> with lamp-server^ it's just invoking tasksel with lamp-server which is recommended here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[02:41] <OerHeks> xyz111 iftop can do that too > http://askubuntu.com/questions/257263/how-to-display-network-traffic-in-terminal
[02:41] <bekks> wafflejock: then read the entire article.
[02:42] <cbilljones> wafflejock im fighting through dependency stuff still
[02:44] <Guest34200> I need some help :(
[02:44] <Peasant333> anyone here familular with apache user groups?
[02:44] <bekks> Peasant333: That would require you to ask a specific question, which you didnt.
[02:45] <Peasant333> ok so I was going off a tutorial to try and get django working with LAMP on ubuntu 12.04, and it had me create a new user
[02:45] <bekks> Peasant333: Which tutorial?
[02:45] <Peasant333> now when I try to restart apache it says apache2: bad user name USER
[02:45] <Peasant333> http://www.lennu.net/2012/05/14/django-deployement-installation-to-ubuntu-12-dot-04-server/
[02:46] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> i got some stuff im wanting to install and OF the Seven things it wants to remove,, One of them is 'ubuntu-desktop' !!! How Bad Is That ???
[02:46] <bekks> Peasant333: So you just copy and pasted the instructions.
[02:46] <Peasant333> so somehow apache switched users and i dont know how to switch it back so it wont start.
[02:46] <Peasant333> yes
[02:46] <Peasant333> useradd --system --no-create-home --home-dir /srv/my_project/ --user-group USERNAME
[02:46] <Peasant333> chsh -s /bin/bash USERNAME
[02:46] <Peasant333> is when everything broke
[02:47] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> help !^
[02:48] <bekks> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: what are you actually trying to accomplish?
[02:48] <Peasant333> :(
[02:48] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> all my apps i use and there add-ons, im installing them all in one line
[02:48] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> bekks^
[02:49] <cbilljones> wafflejock im able to run make now, almost there
[02:49] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> doing it on a fresh system
[02:49] <bekks> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: so why are you trying to remove something when actually are trying to install something?
[02:50] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> No... apt-get sais recomended stuff, this will be removed, this will be installed
[02:50] <Tylertwo> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04, I kinda accidentally removed ubuntu-desktop today.. Nothing's blown up but then again I'm using LXDE. I think ubuntu-desktop might have more to do with unity/gnome
[02:51] <bekks> ubuntu-desktop is a meta package which does not actually remove anything.
[02:51] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> so its safe?
[02:51] <cbilljones> Tylertwo i beleive that is a meta package for upgrades; if im correct you should be fine if you dont upgrade
[02:52] <loa> if ulatency work well on ubuntu?
[02:52] <bekks> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: No, thats nod being said. Whats the entire output of "your command" before pressing enter to actually do what your command implies?
[02:52] <bekks> loa: if... then... what?
[02:52] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> humm ill add ubuntu-desktop to the mix of what i want installed, and se if it mentions a conflist
[02:53] <bekks> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: whatever you are doing there.
[02:53] <bekks> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: I am out of your issue.
[02:53] <loa> bekks, can't understand what you meen
[02:53] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> brb with that bekks, its on the other machine, and ill need !paste
[02:53] <bekks> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: then type: !paste and press enter...
[02:54] <honestemu> Anyone here use devilspie?
[02:54] <bekks> !anyone | honestemu
[02:55] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> !paste
[02:55] <honestemu> Okay. Umm... How do I get devilspie to startup an application in a specific workspace when I log in?
[02:56] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> bekks it scrolls a good bit ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6216477/
[02:56] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> to the right
[02:58] <loa> bekks, so what do you think about ulatency?
[02:58] <bekks> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: thats just the command, not its output which you would have to acknowledge with enter.
[02:58] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> oh ok, brb
[02:58] <bekks> loa: Whats your specific question about ulatency?
[02:58] <loa> is it help if i for example will compile heavy application and play the game?)
[02:59] <kmyst> anybody know a good deal about preseeding? got a question regaring initrd vs file
[02:59] <OerHeks> honestemu, i haven't used devilspie for a long time, maybe this page is any help > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie
[02:59] <loa> bekks, first i noticed that sometime there is daily job looks like it is for update mlocate cache, and when it runs all hangs down.]
[02:59] <honestemu> OerHeks: Do you have applications starting up automatically whenever you log in? If so, what do you use?
[03:00] <loa> and i decide to search something which can lower possibility of such lags.
[03:01] <miyako> hello
[03:01] <OerHeks> honestemu, i don't use it anymore, only used it as a test long time ago
[03:02] <OerHeks> honestemu, maybe worth a look @ gdevilspie, a gui for ..  > https://apps.staging.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/raring/gdevilspie/
[03:04] <miyako> not strictly an ubuntu question, but I've been looking for a relatively inexpensive smallish low power computer that I can run ubuntu on to use as a development machine.  Something like a mac mini but not apple would be ideal- does anyone have any recommendations?
[03:04] <honestemu> OerHecks: I already read through that tutorial, but I can't seem to get it to work. I also tried using gdevilspie as well, but none of the changes are being reflected. get devilspie to start on login.
[03:05] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> so i added ubuntu-desktop to the mix and there is a conflict with evince & evince-gtk .. evince is allready on the system, i added the -gtk cause it is a add-on for leafpad
[03:05] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> bekks^
[03:05] <kmyst> miyako: try one of those mini-itx dual core atom setups?
[03:06] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> and ill see it that takes away the worry of ubuntu-desktop
[03:06] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> when i remove the evince-gtk
[03:06] <miyako> kmyst, I was hoping for at least a haswell i5, possibly a laptop grade i7, I'm not sure an atom would really be what I want
[03:07] <kmyst> miyako: well you said smallish less expensive ;)
[03:07] <miyako> mac mini sized, less than $1200
[03:07] <bekks> miyako: Erm, no. an Atom is not comparable with an i7.
[03:07] <bekks> miyako: Its like a calculator and a high end PC.
[03:07] <miyako> my current machine is a huge expensive gaming PC, so I guess small and low cost relative to that lol
[03:08] <kmyst> well that's a different story
[03:08] <miyako> basically, dual booting is a pain in the butt, and virtualization with a windows host is awful, but so is actually trying to do anything useful on windows
[03:08] <miyako> so I want to have a second machine to do real work on, and just use my big pc for gaming
[03:08] <kmyst> i just cobbled together a quad core amd with 8g of ram for under 500
[03:09] <bekks> miyako: On an Atom? You are pretty patient.
[03:09] <miyako> other than gaming I don't need anything ridiculous, an i5 with 8gb of memory and a 200gb SSD would probably be perfect for what I need
[03:09] <bekks> miyako: You'd not even need the SSD.
[03:09] <miyako> the thing is, i hate actually building hardware, I'd much rather just buy something and not have to mess with assembling it
[03:09] <kmyst> bekks: i just said atom based on "inexpensive smallish" requirements :)
[03:09] <bekks> kmyst: :P
[03:10] <miyako> bekks, yeah, not strictly speaking, but SSDs are really nice once you get used to them
[03:10] <bekks> I have an Atom netbook - usefull for starting an ssh client to my IRC instance.
[03:11] <miyako> I have an i5 ultrabook, but actually doing work on it long term isn't great because it doesn't really dock well and the keyboard and screen aren't the best for long term programming
[03:11] <kmyst> i do too...have to two finger type on that thing...about useless to me but it was a neat toy
[03:11] <miyako> it's a series 9 15", so the keyboard is a good size, but the keystrokes are so shallow that it starts to get painful to type on
[03:11] <miyako> I guess I shouldn't complain much though, it's amazingly thin
[03:11] <bekks> kmyst: Its a cool thing when having those small requirement: give me a terminal, give me wifi, give me IRC.
[03:12] <olskolirc> what app is that you are using for mobile Dr_Willis
[03:12] <kmyst> bekks: agreed
[03:12] <Dr_Willis> olskolirc:  on weechat on my netbook - hotspoted to my phone right now. On android i normally use AndChat
[03:12] <bekks> kmyst: Oh, and: give me an nxclient to some powerful box :)
[03:12] <olskolirc> ok
[03:13] <olskolirc> oh so you have orbot running Dr_Willis ?
[03:13] <bekks> kmyst: Those small thingies using nxclient are quite neat, indeed :)
[03:13] <kmyst> bekks: mmm nomachine :)
[03:13] <bekks> kmyst: Yeah.
[03:14] <kmyst> bekks: ya i just cross compiled that for a raspberry pi last week
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> olskolirc:  orbot? never heard of it.
[03:14] <bekks> kmyst: Oh, cool :) How does it perform? And where did you get the nxclient source code from?
[03:14] <bekks> kmyst: Or did you use freenx?
[03:14] <olskolirc> its tor for Android Dr_Willis made by the torproject - its already configured just turn it on and go
[03:15] <olskolirc> all your apps are torified too Dr_Willis
[03:15] <kmyst> bekks: bekks from nomachine and some from freenx
[03:15] <kmyst> bekks: performance is really good considering the rpi :)
[03:16] <bekks> kmyst: yeah, it all depends on the hw of the thingie running the client.
[03:16] <miyako> I started using weechat at work, I like it better than irssi but I still haven't switched at home because of momentum I guess
[03:17] <kmyst> bekks: yup but once you get it tuned it beats vnc
[03:17] <bekks> kmyst: But thats good to know - I am about getting an rPi for exactly that: "give me some small client being able to run a remote client"
[03:17] <Ben64> you know this is #ubuntu not #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:17] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> bekks what do u think about the Suggested packages: && Recommended packages: && The following packages will be REMOVED: ... i took care of the ubuntu-desktop http://paste.ubuntu.com/6216519/
[03:17] <bekks> However, heading to bed now, after getting a lucky father of a healthy small daughter last night. :)
[03:17] <roadfish> how stable is the 13.10 ISO right now? I'd like to install something tomorrow ... or is it best to wait until 17th?
[03:18] <Ben64> roadfish: #ubuntu+1 for saucy stuff
[03:18] <OerHeks> \o/ bekks congrats !
[03:18] <bekks> roadfish: it is still beta.
[03:18] <roadfish> ok thnk
[03:18] <bekks> OerHeks: Thanks :D
[03:18] <kmyst> bekks: i've got two, one for that and the other quietly running kerebos/ldap/freeradius for my network :)
[03:19] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> bekks http://paste.ubuntu.com/6216519/ what u think of what it wants to remove now and Recommended packages
[03:19] <bekks> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: recommended packages are just benefits, not required.
[03:20] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> what about what it wants to remove, is it cause  i have alternitaves or will i likely miss those bekks
[03:21] <Ben64> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: what are you installing
[03:21] <olskolirc> Canonical should give us a pentesting OS
[03:21] <bekks> So, now heading to bed, tomorrow is booked for just admiring the new creature :)
[03:21] <reisio> bekks: you reproducing?
[03:21] <bekks> reisio: I am, indeed.
[03:21] <reisio> bekks: you reproducer :p
[03:21] <bekks> reisio: Dont call me names :D
[03:21] <roadfish> DNA got forked
[03:21] <reisio> heh
[03:21] <reisio> roadfish: :p
[03:22] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> came as before except for evince-gtk
[03:22] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> same
[03:22] <Ben64> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: i can't see what you said before from all the offtopic spam
[03:22] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> bekks http://paste.ubuntu.com/6216477/ ^
[03:22] <ubuntu12345> Anyone know why the wifi network I need to connect to shows up in airodump-ng but not my wifi network list.... on all other computers that same network displays...
[03:22] <ubuntu12345> with network manager
[03:23] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> oh hi Ben64 ^
[03:23] <Ben64> ubuntu12345: type it manually and see if it connects
[03:23] <ubuntu12345> via terminal?
[03:23] <Ben64> wherever you connect to a network
[03:23] <ubuntu12345> oh i tried that it doesnt work
[03:24] <ubuntu12345> via network manager
[03:24] <Ben64> !work
[03:24] <ubuntu12345> DOESNT CONNECT
[03:24] <ubuntu12345> what do you not understand
[03:24] <Ben64> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: oh was that paste for me?
[03:24] <Dr_Willis> does the iwlist wlan0  scanning  (or whagever that command is)   show the networks?
[03:24] <Ben64> Dr_Willis: he ragequit
[03:25] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> yes u asked what im installing
[03:25] <Ben64> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: well you highlighted bekks
[03:25] <roadfish> tsk, #ubuntu+1 is kind of dead. So I hope you'll take a follow up question.
[03:25] <Ben64> and with all those PPAs and stuff, i wouldn't know what to suggest to you, Roy_Ubuntu_13-04
[03:26] <roadfish> if I installed 13.10 and did an apt-get upgrade next week, then would that be just as reliable as installing the ISO on the 17th?
[03:26] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> its just 2 of the ppa the rest is ubuntu packages
[03:27] <Dr_Willis> roadfish:  thats a faq ;) and yes  it would be the same. apt dosent really care if we call  whats out now  beta or not.
[03:27] <Dr_Willis> !upgrade
[03:27] <Ben64> roadfish: you'd need apt-get dist-upgrade, and probably
[03:27] <roadfish> ok thanks
[03:27] <Dr_Willis> roadfish:  on the 17th everyone elswe will be instlling and updateing. and the servers will most likely be slow slow slow..
[03:27] <OerHeks> roadfish, before you do that, download the iso and put it on cd/usb
[03:28] <reisio> roadfish: theoretically it should be
[03:28] <roadfish> ok, I'll put at 98% likely ... but always a 2% FUBAR cropping up
[03:28] <Dr_Willis> update/upgrade on the 16th. grab the iso on the 17th or so when the torrents are blazeing fast. then hold off on new installs/update/upgradeing untill a few days later when the servers get back to normal load.
[03:29] <chaotix> hello...  i installed an icon theme called zoncolor red using a bash script that came in the folder with the theme, and now i do not know how to undo it...  i tried using unity tweak tool and gnome tweak tool, and restarted the computer, but the theme is still zoncolor red....   can someone help me?
[03:29] <Paulus68_1> Dr_Willis: or just wait a week and upgrade then :)
[03:30] <reisio> roadfish: basically the more frequently you just fix something instead of reinstalling, they less likely you will ever have to consider resorting to reinstalling again
[03:30] <reisio> because even the most buggy GNU/Linux distro shouldn't have to be reinstalled unless you're changing architecture, or you've broken it so hard it will simply take less time to "reinstall"
[03:30] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04>  Ben64 , bekks, here is what im doing.. scrolls to the right --> and some of the output and my question about it http://paste.ubuntu.com/6216545/
[03:32] <uruno> Hello, my squid ldap group web restriction is not working. What is the effective way to work it out?
[03:32] <porten> I'm having a hard time diagnosing what's wrong with my wireless adapter, this issue only comes up when i'm playing dota 2, not cs or anything like that
[03:32] <porten> http://pastebin.com/Dh1LsPiH
[03:33] <porten> After about 30 minute of playing what seems to happen is my wireless adapter goes full retard and begins locking up my usb ports
[03:33] <porten> so my mouse & keyboard die
[03:33] <reisio> porten: is your adapter over usb?
[03:33] <porten> yea
[03:33] <daftykins> gaming over a wireless connection = pants on head retarded
[03:33] <porten> lol
[03:34] <porten> what's crazy is i can play cs fine for ever
[03:34] <porten> but only dota 2 it goes berzerk
[03:35] <OerHeks> porten so it looks like dota2 is the issue, not your wireless hardware.
[03:37] <porten> OerHeks: yea maybe, I'm trying to make sense of what those syslog errors are though
[03:37] <porten> and how all of the sudden it turns into this cascading effect of destroying my usb devices
[03:39] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04>  porten physically destroying?
[03:40] <porten> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: well, the wireless mouse and keyboard stop working, i have to unplug/plugin everything again
[03:41] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> i was aksing cause i pulled some trickery to recover much data off a usb memory stick that physically was going bad
[03:42] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> im talking about a usb that will hang the system when it tries to mount it or read it
[03:42] <porten> Roy_Ubuntu_13-04: yea, this is just a wireless usb adapter
[03:43] <chaotix> nvm i got it
[03:47] <Roy_Ubuntu_13-04> got to go
[03:49] <ryannathans> why do I have to reboot after plugging in my usb headset for it to be detected?
[03:51] <Crazyzurfer> hi guys.. I've setted up some virtualhosts in apache and got 403 error when trying to access them from the webserver.. Looked to the log an found this: [Thu Oct 10 00:49:33.633979 2013] [core:error] [pid 10787] (13)Permiso denegado: [client 127.0.0.1:36297] AH00035: access to / denied (filesystem path '/media/joako/3846ADEC46ADAAD8') because search permissions are missing on a component of the path
[03:51] <reisio> ryannathans: you don't
[03:51] <Crazyzurfer> the problem is that I try to give +x to that folder but doesnt' work and tried changing the ownership, and doesn't work either :(
[03:51] <buu> Crazyzurfer: Sounds like the apache user doesn't have r+x on one of the folders in the tree
[03:51] <reisio> ryannathans: probably you've told your system to assume your usb headset is a particular device by detection number, which changes based on when you insert it, instead of based on something that doesn't change
[03:51] <buu> Crazyzurfer: You have to fix the entire path
[03:52] <ryannathans> reisio: i've just plugged it in and don't nothing else
[03:52] <reisio> ryannathans: mmhmmm
[03:52] <Crazyzurfer> buu: so I should do this? "sudo chmod r+x -R /media/joako/846ADEC46ADAAD8"??
[03:53] <buu> Crazyzurfer: Do you need to do chmod a+rx /media; chmod a+rx /media/joako; etc
[03:53] <buu> *No you need to
[03:55] <sqlnoob> I was going through the manpage of fuse & read this: "Most of the generic mount options described in mount are supported (ro, rw, suid, nosuid, dev,  nodev,  exec,  noexec,  atime,  noatime, sync, async,  dirsync). Filesystems are mounted with nodev,nosuid by default, which can only be overridden by a privileged user."
[03:56] <ryannathans> it detects my mic fine
[03:56] <ryannathans> on the usb headset, just not the speakers till reboot
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> see what modules it loads when it works. and try loading those by hand
[03:59] <OerHeks> ryannathans, open terminal: alsamixer # and select your USB device with F6 ?
[04:00] <sqlnoob> what do these options particularly dev & nodev signify in mount options?
[04:00] <honestemu> What's the proper way to execute wmctrl commands once I log in?
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> most of the desktops support a ~/.config/autostart/
[04:01] <ryannathans> OerHeks: yeah, that works. No applications send audio to it though, and it doesn't appear in my sound input in the gui from the speaker on the taskar
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> where you put scripts or launchers. or binaries
[04:01] <buu> sqlnoob: man mount
[04:02] <honestemu> Dr_Willis: So whatever script I put in ~/.config/autostart will be run when I log in?
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> you mean login to the Desktop/X/unity/kde/gnome/whatever   - or a console, or ssh login. ;)
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> autostart is usewd by most of the desktops when you login to your X session
[04:04] <wafflejock> right as Dr_Willis says need more details on when you need the script to execute, can be configured through system settings to be executed at GUI login or can be in scripts for your shell when starting a terminal emulator
[04:04] <sqlnoob> went through the man page & it says : "Do not set character or special devices access on this partition."
[04:04] <sqlnoob> for nodev
[04:04] <ista> signature failed while running dpkg-packages,
[04:04] <sqlnoob> But, I can't get the exact meaning of that. Would you please clarify on that?
[04:04] <honestemu> Dr_Willis: Like when I have to type in my username and password after I turn on the computer.
[04:05] <ista> tH
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> honestemu:  theres the CONSOLE text based login: then theres the X login to the GUI/Desktop
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> honestemu:  autostart is used by X/Gui/TheDesktop
[04:06] <Dr_Willis> not if youlogin at the console. or ssh
[04:06] <sirriffsalot> Is there a way to, on startup, have the different startup-applications open in different workspaces automatically?
[04:06] <ista> why Checksum error after debsign?
[04:06] <honestemu> Dr_Willis: I guess it's the GUI Desktop. you know, the one with all the windows, and Unity launcher, and it displays my awesome desktop background? ;-)
[04:07] <wafflejock> sirriffsalot: KDE handles this pretty well not sure about an alternative in Unity
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> sirriffsalot:  unity and compiz has plugins in the ccsm tool to tweak some windows settings as to what appears where. theres also tools like 'devilspie' to tweak some things
[04:09] <honestemu> sirriffsalot: Hey! That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out!
[04:09] <Dr_Willis> id bet askubuntu.com has some other ways to do it as well
[04:10] <wafflejock> honestemu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/129885/how-could-unity2d-save-sessions <== maybe helpful dunno
[04:11] <luminous> hello! how would I run the apt-key import to always get the latest gpg key for a ppa?
[04:12] <sirriffsalot> wafflejock: dude screw Unity and the like.. frivolous stuff, are there no general options for this in Ubuntu?
[04:12] <luminous> eg, if adding mongodb's gpg ppa key, they have it here: http://docs.mongodb.org/10gen-gpg-key.asc
[04:12] <luminous> can I use that to always get the latest?
[04:12] <luminous> wow, they don't have that on https.. sad
[04:13] <honestemu> wafflejock: That was actually really helpful. I'll see if I can get it to work!
[04:13] <wafflejock> honestemu: best of luck
[04:15] <wafflejock> sirriffsalot: yeah I ultimately just switched to KDE after having used straight Ubuntu for about a year for development, been playing with Ubuntu since like 06.09 I think and always liked Gnome but also not a huge fan of Unity and digging KDE more ATM
[04:15] <rat_>  DBAN supports ISO booting from disk so I followed this guide : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1549847 but it returned the errors kernel not found and file not found while booting , can anyone please help me out?
[04:15] <reisio> rat_: what do you want DBAN for
[04:16] <rat_> I don't want to use DD or Shred if thats what youre tryna say
[04:16] <reisio> rat_: it isn't
[04:16] <rat_> Well to secure wipe a HDD
[04:16] <reisio> there's basically 0 evidence that anything more than dd'ing /dev/zero over a drive _once_ gets you anything extra
[04:17] <reisio> which makes DBAN a huge waste of time, you can dd zero from Ubuntu install media, most likely
[04:17] <rat_> But DD takes a lot fo time
[04:17] <reisio> moreover unless you're giving the drive away, just physically destroy it
[04:17] <rat_> of*
[04:17] <wafflejock> reisio: unless you're dealing with NSA correct? think they wipe 7 passes or something to get rid of magnetic traces on traditional HDD
[04:17] <reisio> rat_: only if you use it wrong
[04:17] <reisio> wafflejock: that's so they get paid for 7 times the hours
[04:17] <wafflejock> haha
[04:17] <wafflejock> probably
[04:18] <reisio> seriously
[04:18] <reisio> there was a time, maybe forty years ago
[04:18] <raven_> hey guys
[04:18] <rat_> Okay then any guides on how to use DD?
[04:18] <reisio> when you could find traces of data on a HD
[04:18] <reisio> but it isn't forty years ago
[04:18] <reisio> SSDs are something else, of course, but overwiping won't help you there either
[04:18] <wafflejock> yeah I imagine if you have SSD this isn't an issue at all
[04:18] <reisio> actually SSDs make it harder :)
[04:18] <wafflejock> oh right cause it doesn't write to the space
[04:18] <wafflejock> I read abotu that
[04:19] <rat_> How shall I DD a drive reisio?
[04:19] <raven_> Does anyone know how to find the notification area icons for an app?
[04:19] <reisio> rat_: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever bs=1M
[04:19] <wafflejock> just marks it as "deleted" and won't overwrite due to the nature of SSD dying and wanting to distribute data
[04:19] <reisio> rat_: the 1M is the amount written at once, it should probably be less than RAM
[04:19] <reisio> rat_: the higher it is, the faster it finishes
[04:19] <wafflejock> reisio: regarding that how high can the bs be?
[04:19] <reisio> wafflejock: but if you can afford SSDs, you can afford to physically destroy them
[04:19] <rat_> I've 512 MB of ram what shall I enter?
[04:19] <wafflejock> like does it matter if you're writing to SD card?
[04:20] <reisio> rat_: how big is the disk?
[04:20] <reisio> I'm not aware of any limit
[04:20] <rat_> 160 GB
[04:20] <reisio> except if you exceed RAM, it will just start failing, IME
[04:20] <wafflejock> hmm k just seen 4M suggested was curious if that was required for RasPi images
[04:20] <reisio> rat_: something less than 512MB :)
[04:20] <moogs> hello
[04:20] <reisio> wafflejock: unlikely
[04:21] <wafflejock> I know without it the transfer is terrible slow... will try one with a high amount next time and see what happens
[04:21] <reisio> wafflejock: it might be specific to the physical media, but that's also unlikely
[04:21] <reisio> moogs: hi
[04:21] <rat_> Okay after booting from a live CD can I directly enter this into the terminal?
[04:22] <wafflejock> rat_: think so Ctrl+alt+f1
[04:22] <reisio> rat_: yes, just make sure you get the right /dev/foo
[04:22] <reisio> for progress you can run: while(true); do kill -USR1 `pgrep -l dd | egrep ' dd$' | awk '{ print $1 }'`; sleep 5m; done (and observe term you ran dd from)
[04:22] <reisio> if it's going to slowly, cancel it and up the bs value
[04:23] <reisio> too*
[04:24] <wafflejock> reisio: good advice I tried using some other variant of dd that was supposed to report progress but had problems the kill to send the signal periodically worked well I just did it manually though, nice little script there
[04:25] <reisio> yeah, 'fraid I don't have much experience with the newer alternatives
[04:25] <reisio> GNU's works fairly well
[04:26] <rat_> http://superuser.com/questions/528134/difference-between-dban-and-dd-command-to-securely-wipe-a-hdd
[04:26] <rat_> reisio check that out
[04:27] <reisio> rat_: what about it?
[04:27] <rat_> The guy with the second answer is a highly respected guy over there
[04:27] <reisio> no he isn't
[04:28] <reisio> the higher the number, the less frequently that person ever leaves his computer
[04:28] <reisio> does that sound like someone to respect?
[04:29] <reisio> http://www.google.com/search?q=why%20stackoverflow%20sucks
[04:32] <reisio> anyways, there are no explanations there, just claims
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> less frequeently the person leaves the computer.. sounds like some people i know on IRC.   ;)
[04:33] <reisio> Dr_Willis: irrelevance! :p
[04:33] <reisio> rat_: here read this: http://www.hostjury.com/blog/view/195/the-great-zero-challenge-remains-unaccepted
[04:34] <rat_> k
[04:34] <reisio> or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dd_%28Unix%29#Recovery_of_overwritten_data
[04:36] <reisio> but mostly consider that if you are really worried about some massively funded forensics laboratory trying to get data off your used, discarded disk
[04:36] <reisio> ...maybe you should just physically destroy it instead
[04:36] <wilee-nilee> reisio, Good find I had seen some research on this and found the same, but lost the links.
[04:36] <reisio> a 160GB hard disk is not a large cost to replace
[04:36] <rat_> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever bs=1M
[04:36] <reisio> and if you are hiding secrets worth that much, even moreso
[04:37] <reisio> rat_: pretty much
[04:37] <rat_> what shall I substitue whatever with?
[04:37] <reisio> rat_: the absolute correct string as determined by the output of fdisk -l or /sbin/blkid
[04:37] <reisio> if you choose the wrong one, you might accidentally wipe something you wanted
[04:37] <reisio> :)
[04:38] <moogs> hello
[04:38] <reisio> wilee-nilee: its endurance is strange given that nobody really makes money off of the utilities to redundantly wipe :p
[04:38] <mr_lou> Morning
[04:38] <reisio> moogs: hi again
[04:40] <mr_lou> A few weeks ago my Ubuntu PC began freezing a few minutes after the first boot. Only the first boot. A few days ago I finally pulled myself together and did some RAM and harddisk tests, but they're fine. So now I'm a bit clueless. Anyone have any idea?
[04:41] <reisio> boot boot, or boot from hibernation/suspend?
[04:41] <mr_lou> Boot after having been turned off.
[04:41] <wilee-nilee> reisio, Its called confirmation bias, someone see a supposed better statement and see the next one and believes it based on the first without any real proof, hehe, human nature really.
[04:42] <reisio> wilee-nilee: it's just strange given how ridiculously time consuming it is :p
[04:42] <wilee-nilee> yeah
[04:42] <reisio> in particular
[04:42] <reisio> that they wouldn't say "for real? Really?"
[04:42] <reisio> :p
[04:42] <wafflejock> interesting artical
[04:42] <wafflejock> article
[04:43] <reisio> but I mean, realistically there are three entities you're guarding against
[04:43] <reisio> the laptop thief
[04:43] <wafflejock> saw this recently is still proposing the magnetic resonance can be read http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SSSMi4X_mA I agree it's overkill usually though
[04:43] <reisio> they sell your computer for $5's worth of drugs, and won't even get past unencrypted password protection, and probably wouldn't even bother
[04:43] <reisio> the amateur identity thief: simply encryption will stop them
[04:43] <reisio> the informed thief: you cannot stop this person
[04:44] <rat_> rei  shall I put this whole command: while(true); do kill -USR1 `pgrep -l dd | egrep ' dd$' | awk '{ print $1 }'`; sleep 5m; done to get status?
[04:44] <reisio> the informed thief will simply determine your authentication process and obtain your data without you knowing
[04:44] <reisio> there's little you can do but put your computer inside fort knox
[04:45] <reisio> rat_: yup
[04:45] <reisio> rat_: might start with 10s intead of 5m, to be sure the rate is sufficient
[04:45] <reisio> then cancel and rerun as desired
[04:45] <rat_> I didnt get ya
[04:45] <reisio> it says '5m' in that command
[04:45] <reisio> means every 5 minutes
[04:45] <histo> wafflejock: http://www.vidarholen.net/~vidar/overwriting_hard_drive_data.pdf
[04:45] <reisio> you might want to run it with 10s instead for starters
[04:46] <rat_> ah kya gotcha
[04:47] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys if i ssh into a server is it possible to open up a process that is being used on the machine without ssh like
[04:47] <histo> Psil0Cybin: what process?
[04:47] <Psil0Cybin> if i have a machine that is a bitcoin minner and i have the minner running through the gui terminal, can i ssh in and see what is going on via my terminal without disrupting the process when i disconnect
[04:48] <reisio> histo: and that only addresses the fantastical situation in which they would try to data that sensitive from a drive the person didn't bother to physically destroy, when they could just get it from the original drive at essentially any time
[04:48] <wafflejock> histo: interesting so as good as guessing after one wipe
[04:48] <reisio> Psil0Cybin: technically yes, but it's not the best practice
[04:48] <Psil0Cybin> or would i start the process within SSH
[04:48] <Psil0Cybin> okay
[04:48] <reisio> Psil0Cybin: it's best to start processes like that inside a GNU screen session
[04:48] <Psil0Cybin> so i would SSH in, get Screens or what ever...start the process
[04:48] <Psil0Cybin> and leave?
[04:48] <reisio> Psil0Cybin: in a jam you can use reptyr
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> Psil0Cybin:  use screen, tmux, or byobu  - then you can connect to the shell session from any other shell
[04:48] <reisio> Psil0Cybin: yeah
[04:48] <Psil0Cybin> okay
[04:49] <Psil0Cybin> thanks :) for clarifying
[04:49] <reisio> or if it's a GUI process already running, VNC in
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> Psil0Cybin:  even if the shell is running in a x terminal
[04:49] <histo> Psil0Cybin: yes tmux or screen or nohup
[04:49] <Psil0Cybin> perfect
[04:49] <Psil0Cybin> thanks guys
[04:49] <Psil0Cybin> you all rock
[05:01] <jswilfer> ssh root@162.243.39.205 /p fred2fred
[05:02] <jswilfer> ls
[05:03] <wafflejock> jswilfer: wrong box
[05:03] <Dr_Willis>  file not found ;)
[05:03] <wafflejock> hehe, yeah uhh socket error
[05:03] <wafflejock> segmentation fault
[05:03] <ryannathans> What AMD graphics driver should I use with wine?
[05:04] <Ari-Yang> ryannathans: tbh I don't recommend fglrx because it has terrible 2d acceleration....
[05:05] <supergauntlet> Turns out I can just install to one drive and write the boot loader to another!
[05:05] <reisio> supergauntlet: :)
[05:05] <ryannathans> Ari-Yang: so which one?
[05:06] <supergauntlet> reisio: I was surprised it was so straightforward
[05:06] <reisio> been using other OSes, have we? :)
[05:06] <Ari-Yang> ryannathans: I choose oss over fglrx anyday...
[05:06] <supergauntlet> I could have sworn I would have had to do some voodoo magic with grub-install
[05:07] <supergauntlet> reisio: Well I did LFS a while back so I was prepared
[05:07] <supergauntlet> But I didn't realize the ubuntu installer had this capability built in
[05:07] <reisio> supergauntlet: that's just sick :p
[05:07] <supergauntlet> LFS was a learning experience if very tedious
[05:08] <kalakj> hello everyone, i am using ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS and on windows i am getting maximum brightness, here on ubuntu, i am not able to get exactly the same brightness level  as compared with windows
[05:09] <kalakj> now my brightness level is full and
[05:09] <kalakj> it is app. 70-80%of windows
[05:09] <kalakj> how to change that setting
[05:09] <reisio> kalakj: on a laptop?
[05:10] <kalakj> reisio: yes
[05:10] <cdrkeen> hey guys i know you are going to yell at me but I figured I'd give this place a try... so I flashed coreboot seabios payload on my chromebook and now my touchpad no works in lubuntu
[05:10] <reisio> kalakj: the brightness key combo doesn't do it?
[05:11] <kalakj> no, fn+arrow up key, changes brightness
[05:11] <reisio> cdrkeen: now? Before it did?
[05:11] <kalakj> level is showing full
[05:11] <kalakj> but it is not equal to windows
[05:11] <kalakj> i mean i am not getting full brightness as compared to windows
[05:11] <reisio> kalakj: you ever like it lower than full?
[05:11] <kalakj> yes, it is okay in the room
[05:12] <kalakj> but outside, it creates problem
[05:12] <reisio> kalakj: what make/model?
[05:12] <cdrkeen> reisio: yeah after i flashed it
[05:12] <kalakj> Lenovo B480
[05:13] <kalakj> Pentium dual core b960, 2gb ram
[05:13] <reisio> cdrkeen: seems fairly obvious what the problem is, then
[05:13] <kalakj> that's it
[05:13] <cdrkeen> reisio: yeah i can't flash back with flashrom anymore... so i guess i'm gonna sell this off to some chump on craigslist
[05:14] <cdrkeen> at least they can use ubuntu with the keyboard :p
[05:14] <Tex_Nick> Dr_Willis, re: you're recommendation that i use badblocks to locate (15 bad sectors) on my 1 TB HDD ... makes me wish the HDD was a 10 MB HDD ... ;-) jeeze, the price we pay for increasingly larger memory storage
[05:15] <vee_> hey guys, i tried installing flash player on chromium, but when iw atch a youtube video, it studders then says an error occured. i tried to download from adobe's site then use the .so file and paste it into the plugin locations, but no go. any ideas?
[05:16] <cdrkeen> vee_: download chrome from GOOGLE
[05:16] <chaos7theory> If you're using Chromium with Adobe Flash, you probably should just use Google Chrome
[05:16] <vee_> i'd rather not use chrome, cdrkeen :/
[05:16] <cdrkeen> vee_: its the same thing... minus you have to fiddle with flash
[05:16] <vee_> but...its not open source :(
[05:17] <chaos7theory> And at least with Youtube videos, I believe they support HTML5 videos
[05:17] <vee_> granted flash really isn't either haha
[05:17] <cdrkeen> use chrome flash is dead on linux without it in a few years
[05:17] <reisio> cdrkeen: nonsense
[05:17] <reisio> and it's dead regardless
[05:17] <vee_> i have it worked on another computer with chromium, im just dont knwo why this thing
[05:17] <vee_> isn't working like the other
[05:18] <cdrkeen> vee_: try installing chrome... seriously it just works...
[05:21] <chaos7theory> If you're complaining about it not being open source and yet not reluctant to use Adobe Flash, it seems a bit hyporitical anyways ._.
[05:21] <chaos7theory> It's better to at least be consistent
[05:23] <vee_> flash player is crashing on firefox too xD
[05:24] <reisio> that's what flash player is for
[05:27] <bl4ckdu5t> while I was updating my packages, I got this prompt => The action will require installation from not authenticated source
[05:27] <bl4ckdu5t> then it just fails
[05:27] <bl4ckdu5t> what can I do?
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> figure out what source and authenticate it?
[05:29] <cfhowlett> bl4ckdu5t, you have to go to sources and enabled 3rd party repositories.  Not advisable unless yo know where / what you're exposing your system to
[05:32] <bl4ckdu5t> cfhowlett: How do I get to the sources?
[05:33] <cfhowlett> ubuntu software center > edit > settings >
[05:33] <cfhowlett> SOFTWARE settings
[05:33] <Ghosthunter007> blackdus5t: You can find the url location of the source it is trying to get and see if youc an do a ppa certificate which is a bit safer
[05:34] <cfhowlett> bl4ckdu5t, and then you'll see updates ... but see ghosthunter007' suggestion as well
[05:36] <kalakj> I have micromax 352g modem, and it is working properly, modem manager is detecting  it but i am not able to send USSD codes or SMS from it
[05:36] <kalakj> i also tried GSM USSD, but it is not working
[05:37] <kalakj> any help, appriciated
[05:37] <Anubis> hi. is there a way to archive electronically all the inbound and outbound emails ?
[05:37] <bl4ckdu5t> I don't know how to get the URL
[05:38] <kalakj> i am on a metered connection and it is costly, so i need to check my data balance frequently
[05:38] <bl4ckdu5t> also when I do "apt-get update",  some packages fail to update too then I was thinking it could be b'cos the URLs for the PPA are outdated and I've not been able to find them
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> bl4ckdu5t:  look at the error messges from sudo apt-get update, and sudo apt-get upgrade. they should mention the bad ppa's or sources
[05:40] <cfhowlett> bl4ckdu5t, try this sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    packages that fail that might be as Dr_willis suggested.  PPA's are installed only if you choose them so ...
[05:40] <kalakj> Dr_Willis:  can you help me regarding GSM modem USSD CODES, they are working properly in windows, but not able to send codes in Linux,
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> kalakj:  nope. never used them
[05:40] <kalakj> i installed Modem Manager GUI
[05:41] <kalakj> Dr_Willis: thanks, have you used DVD'S
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> !dvd
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> to play video dvd you install a pavkage and run a script ;)
[05:41] <kalakj> My DVD tray is opening frequently automatically at random intervals
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> or just rip them to video files
[05:41] <kalakj> it is not happening on windows
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> that sounds like somthing auto-mounting or unmouning
[05:42] <kalakj> I can say that it is not a hardware fault
[05:42] <kalakj> when i login to windows, it never happend
[05:42] <kalakj> but when i login to ubuntu, it happens atleast one time, after login
[05:43] <kalakj> but time is random
[05:43] <jswilfer> ssh http://root@162.243.39.205:fred2fred
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> again.. some app is telling to to eject.
[05:43] <Ghosthunter007> kalakj: what version is your modem manager
[05:43] <kalakj> tray opens at random interval
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> monitor dmesg output perhaps.
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> could be so
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> me media player or video player. or somthing else. ive never seen it hapen but i rarely use dvd/cd
[05:43] <kalakj> Ghosthunter007: 0.0.12
[05:45] <kalakj> Ghosthunter007: It is detecting modem properly , even IMEI and signal provider network code
[05:45] <kalakj> but USSD and SMS Not working
[05:46] <Ghosthunter007> kalakj: there is version 0.0.16  to get it do the following, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:linuxonly/modem+manager+gui
[05:46] <Ghosthunter007> kalakj: then sudo apt-get update
[05:46] <delinquentme> I need a if shell script which will evaluate to true if I get a folder back from the command $ which rvm
[05:46] <delinquentme> if [ $(which rvm) ]; then   << I thought this would do it ... but its not so!
[05:46] <Ghosthunter007> kalakj: sudo apt-get install modem-manager-gui
[05:47] <Ghosthunter007> it should get the newest version
[05:47] <Ghosthunter007> kalakj: what is happening is your source in version 0.0.12 is outdated and you need the new source from version 0.0.16
[05:48] <kalakj> Ghosthunter007: THANKS, I WILL UPDATE YOU ABOUT THE RESULTS
[05:48] <kalakj> I installed it from software-centre
[05:49] <kalakj> and didn't update my system from last month, because thinks are working well for me, except some few clitches
[05:49] <kalakj> things
[05:50] <Ghosthunter007> kalakj: apt-get will install only that which you are trying to get and update only the depend files
[05:52] <kalakj> Ghosthunter007: thanks, i am updating my system and will tell you about the results, whether it worked or not, :D
[05:52] <ss_haze> how do I access files on ubuntu, from windows 7 in virtual box?
[05:54] <njsg> ss_haze: virtualbox has a shared directories feature, you can use that
[05:54] <njsg> you could always try to somehow access and mount the windows disk image, but if you can use the virtualbox shared folders, it is easier
[05:54] <njsg> on the linux/host side it should just point to a normal directory, on windows it will appear as a network share
[05:56] <geirha> delinquentme: You shouldn't use which for that. use type.  if type rvm >/dev/null 2>&1; then printf 'rvm exists\n'; fi
[05:58] <ss_haze> nsjg tnx but it doesn't appear to open
[05:58] <ss_haze> in virtual box
[05:58] <Ghosthunter007> delinquentme:   if [ -a $file ] then echo "path/file/log" fi
[05:59] <geirha> Ghosthunter007: "" quotes around $file, and semicolon or newline before "then" and "fi"
[06:01] <fishcooker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6216821/.. is the driver not suitable for those device?
[06:03] <k1l_> ss_haze: make sure the guest-additions are installed in the vm
[06:03] <ss_haze> im surw
[06:04] <ss_haze> I got it
[06:04] <ss_haze> tnx
[06:06] <kalakj> Ghosthunter007: Same problem, modem manager Not working sorry
[06:07] <kalakj> i installed modem manager 0.0.16 and it also did not worked
[06:07] <kalakj> no msg, no contacts, and no USSD access from modem
[06:09] <bl4ckdu5t> cfhowlett: There are lines like 'Ign http://archive.canonical.com precise/partner Translation-en_US'
[06:10] <bl4ckdu5t> I'm thinking these lines are ignored
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> ign = ignroed because the info is current
[06:21] <bl4ckdu5t> Dr_Willis: I still couldn't do as you said on the URLs
[06:22] <bl4ckdu5t> I've been to the software sources but I don't see where to allow third party
[06:22] <bl4ckdu5t> neither do I know how to go about it the way you said I should
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> you need to get the pgp key for the ones oits complain ing about
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> !keys
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> hmm what is the factoid.. id say searching at askubuntu.coom may show a few tuides
[06:26] <aeon-ltd> !keysigning
[06:28] <subby1> I have created a 100GB partition for Ubuntu. But during installations what do i choose "Install Ubuntu alongside Winddows" or "Shrink or resize volumes"....? I have already created 100Gb of unallocated space for Ubuntu....
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> you want to use the customized partioning layout under the 'somthing else...'  dialog/button i belive
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> and assign that 100gb to be / (root) of the type ext4  (normally)
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> you may also want tomake a swap partition
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> commonly done is to make a /home/ partition also
[06:29] <DJ_Unibob> I actually used the Install alongside windows when I made this install and it used the unallocated space for me.  Might not work the same way for you though
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> if its unallocated - it should I think. if its in some other partion - it wont.
[06:31] <aeon-ltd> subby1: if you are ever going to use another linux install or reinstall frequently /home separation will save a lot of time later, also swap partitions can be shared, swap files cannot. so creating a swap partition will save file space long term if you multiboot linux distros
[06:31] <subby1> Dr_Willis: So I will go for "Something else" even if I have created the 100GB already?
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> thats how i always install
[06:32] <DJ_Unibob> It's situational.  I dual-boot ubuntu 13.04 and Windows 7 and I'm hoping this setup will work for quite a while.
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> my typical layout would be  [windows partion, primary] [/ (root) partition Primary] [/home/ partition Primary] [swap partition]   4 partitions total
[06:34] <MestreLion> is there a way to ssh an account that has no password? (like the ubuntu user in a live session)
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> the live cd dosent have a ssh service installed.  you could install it. then i think ssh in as the ubuntu user.
[06:35] <aeon-ltd> MestreLion: should do
[06:35] <aeon-ltd> quick and dirty though, it isn't too smart though
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> or just set the users password
[06:35] <MestreLion> Dr_Willis: I already installed openssh-server. And I can connect. But it asks for ubuntu@ubuntu's password
[06:35] <subby1> Dr_Willis: Will it ask which OS to use everytime at restart.... if I choose "Something Else"?
[06:36] <MestreLion> and that account has no password
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> might be a ssh security setting to not allow it
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> subby1:  of course.. its still installing the same. its just asking how you want to partion
[06:37] <subby1> OK.....
[06:37] <subby1> Thanks!!
[06:37] <spydon> How can I remove the splash screen during boot and see the boot procedure instead? The good old way to remove quiet and splash from grub doesn't seem to work anymore... http://askubuntu.com/questions/356100/show-boot-process-instead-of-splash
[06:38] <aeon-ltd> spydon: have you tried it directly from grub using 'e'
[06:38] <spydon> aeon-ltd: nope, but it should be the same?
[06:38] <aeon-ltd> should do, it's just you know for sure
[06:40] <spydon> aeon-ltd: can't reboot at the moment, but I'll try that later.
[06:40] <MestreLion> Dr_Willis: aeon-ltd :  yeah, setting a password for the ubuntu account worked
[06:40] <wilee-nilee> spydon, If you do it from the dektop you have to update-grub
[06:42] <spydon> wilee-nilee: yup, done that.
[06:44] <wilee-nilee> spydon, You perchance have more than one OS with grub and more than one HD?
[06:45] <spydon> wilee-nilee: nope, very simple setup, windows 7(pukes) and ubuntu in the grub entries
[06:45] <subby1> Where do I install the /dev/sda or /dev/sdb
[06:45] <wilee-nilee> and you edited /etc/default/grub right?
[06:45] <spydon> wilee-nilee: yeah
[06:46] <subby1> Where do I install the bootloader /dev/sda or /dev/sdb ?
[06:46] <wilee-nilee> spydon, two questions there yeah on which one?
[06:47] <wilee-nilee> Ah I see the grub default
[06:47] <theDudeknownasth> morning all. i got a question, is such a thing a task killer for ubuntu? something to knock out unnecessary background processes.
[06:47] <wilee-nilee> spydon, You modify grub in any way, that should work.
[06:48] <subby1> Device for bootloader installation  /dev/sda or /dev/sdb ? Win7 is in /dev/sda while the partition for Ubuntu is in /dev/sdb  ...... So where do I install the bootloader? sda or sdb ?
[06:48] <wilee-nilee> subby1 sdb
[06:48] <spydon> wilee-nilee: I ran sudo vim /etc/default/grub && sudo update-grub
[06:48] <wilee-nilee> make sure sdb is read first in the bios
[06:49] <wilee-nilee> spydon From?
[06:49] <aeon-ltd> theDudeknownasth: yes, a lot
[06:49] <spydon> wilee-nilee: what do you mean from?
[06:49] <wilee-nilee> spydon, the install, a live cd?
[06:50] <spydon> wilee-nilee: no, from the install
[06:50] <wilee-nilee> spydon, This a server, can you use gedit?
[06:50] <spydon> Is the grub file even present on the live cd?
[06:50] <spydon> wilee-nilee: I can, but why would I? :P
[06:50] <wilee-nilee> spydon, Many will try to modify grub from a live cd without a chroot just checking.
[06:51] <theDudeknownasth> hmm like what?
[06:51] <aeon-ltd> theDudeknownasth: there is one included in the default install, i personally like htop, good if you like terminals
[06:52] <wilee-nilee> spydon, the vim or something seems to not be working is why I ask is all, as far as I know the quiet splash removed should give a text boot, although that environment is a bit different these days.
[06:52] <theDudeknownasth> i'm kinda new to this, forcing myself off win.
[06:52] <spydon> wilee-nilee: cat /etc/default/grub shows that it is removed
[06:53] <wilee-nilee> spydon, strange.
[06:53] <spydon> wilee-nilee: indeed!
[06:54] <spydon> wilee-nilee: thanks for your help anyways, I'll try scavenge the net a bit more for the problem! If you have a ask-ubuntu account you could vote up my question there to help me if you want to. ;)
[06:55] <wilee-nilee> spydon, I don't have an account, I would purge ad reload grub if it were me.
[06:56] <gordonjcp> theDudeknownasth: why do you want to "knock out" background processes?
[06:56] <wilee-nilee> theDudeknownasth, what background processes, thats a windows idea, linux runs fairly lean.
[06:57] <aeon-ltd> i wouldn't say unity is lean
[06:57] <theDudeknownasth> i'm running on a acer one netbook
[06:57] <njsg> theDudeknownasth: you can kill processes with kill (there are different signals, you'd want mostly SIGTERM and SIGKILL)
[06:57] <Ben64> then run xubuntu or lubuntu
[06:57] <njsg> theDudeknownasth: but first of all check whether you really need to kill anything...
[06:57] <njsg> this is not exactly your average OEM windows on a laptop running three evaluation versions of norton antivirus with automatic update enabled
[06:57] <Ben64> theres no reason to go around killing random processes
[06:57] <wilee-nilee> aeon-ltd, You miss the point.
[06:58] <subby1> wilee-nilee: You there??
[06:58] <wilee-nilee> yes
[06:58] <njsg> theDudeknownasth: if it seems slow or using too many resources, try a lighter graphical interface
[06:58] <theDudeknownasth> ok
[06:58] <njsg> theDudeknownasth: ubuntu by default uses some heavy DE, a simple window manager will be way lighter
[06:59] <gordonjcp> theDudeknownasth: unless you really know what you're doing, it's a bad idea to kill processes
[06:59] <vee_> just noticed...when watching youtube videos on firefox, the quality keeps changing, and then finally crashes. why would it do that?
[06:59] <njsg> if you don't really need the DE part, just something to have windows, fluxbox is a typical example of "quite simple and light", if you need some DE with tools, then maybe xfce (although this one got quite bloated compared to way in the past)
[06:59] <wilee-nilee> subby1, what's up?
[06:59] <theDudeknownasth> sounds about right ^^
[06:59] <gordonjcp> fluxbox is horrible and slow
[07:00] <njsg> gordonjcp: fluxbox is *slow*?
[07:00] <njsg> gordonjcp: you may have a really borked graphics system if you get that experience
[07:00] <gordonjcp> njsg: it's some clunky crap in there
[07:00] <gordonjcp> njsg: it doesn't even use Cairo
[07:00] <helmut_> hi
[07:00] <njsg> gordonjcp: so your definition of "fast" is "uses cairo"?
[07:00] <subby1> wilee-nilee: Where do i install the bootloader
[07:00] <subby1> wilee-nilee: in sdb or sdb 1 or sdb 2 ?
[07:00] <gordonjcp> njsg: well, accelerated vectors, yes
[07:01] <wilee-nilee> subby1, I would go sdb if ubuntu is on the HD, it's not a slave drive right?
[07:01] <njsg> gordonjcp: you *need* specific graphics acceleration to draw some rectangles on the screen?
[07:01] <gordonjcp> njsg: fluxbox is nice and fast if you have a 20-year-old graphics card that exposes a plain framebuffer that X talks to
[07:01] <njsg> gordonjcp: it's up to programs whether they use any acceleration system
[07:01] <wilee-nilee> subby1, sdb is the mbr not a partition.
[07:01] <njsg> gordonjcp: fluxbox manages windows, just that
[07:01] <gordonjcp> njsg: why would you use the CPU to render primitives, when you've got a GPU?
[07:01] <njsg> whether programs use acceleration is up to programs, not to the window manager
[07:02] <njsg> theDudeknownasth: if you're constrained on resources, try using lighter tools in general; it depends a lot on your workflow, and you may have to change it a bit
[07:02] <wilee-nilee> subby1, You don't have a uefi setup right?
[07:02] <njsg> theDudeknownasth: for example, libreoffice may be a no go
[07:02] <gordonjcp> theDudeknownasth: what spec is your laptop?
[07:02] <subby1> wilee-nilee: The partition for Ubuntu is in sdb .....but it is unallocated as of now, so it shows up as "free space" only....
[07:02] <njsg> theDudeknownasth: replacing some heavy DE with fluxbox should already give you a far more responsive and lighter experience, but it really strips you of any DE tool
[07:02] <njsg> you can still use tools from other DEs, though
[07:03] <wilee-nilee> subby1, your on the first gui of the something other option correct?
[07:03] <subby1> yes... wilee-nilee
[07:04] <theDudeknownasth> on windows i used wise care 365. actually game booster. then opened excel.
[07:04] <aeon-ltd> njsg: i think fluxbox will be too sparse for someone just moving to linux now, using lubuntu then will be close with openbox + lxpanel
[07:04] <njsg> aeon-ltd: why not using lxde on ubuntu?
[07:04] <aeon-ltd> :) close enough
[07:04] <njsg> aeon-ltd: also, whether it is too sparse or not totally depends on who is making the transition, that's like editor wars
[07:05] <wilee-nilee> subby1, Then make sure grub is pointed at sdb there and make the ubuntu partition a ext4 with / as the mount and install, leave a little room for the swap if needed at the least equal to the ram, slightly more is best, or make a swap as well.
[07:05] <subby1> OK then sdb....
[07:05] <wilee-nilee> subby1, Yeah sdb only the mbr.
[07:06] <theDudeknownasth> seemed to free up pc. thats why i was thinking if there was a similar process.  i'm really enjoying libreoffice cant believe its free
[07:07] <gordonjcp> theDudeknownasth: what spec is your machine?
[07:09] <aeon-ltd> gordonjcp: it's a acer one netbook
[07:09] <gordonjcp> aeon-ltd: right, but what spec is it?
[07:10] <kttybyte> hello
[07:10] <kttybyte> anyone still awake?
[07:10] <njsg> gordonjcp: the same specs as an acer one netbook
[07:10] <spydon> kttybyte: this is the whole world, always somebody awake ;)
[07:10] <gordonjcp> kttybyte: it's first thing in the morning, I expect lots of people are awake
[07:10] <PaowZ_afk> spydon: true !
[07:10] <njsg> gordonjcp: lol? morning where *you* are.
[07:10] <gordonjcp> njsg: there are about two dozen models
[07:10] <theDudeknownasth> 2 gb ddr2 intel atom 1. something
[07:11] <kttybyte> I'm working on this java thing: http://www.kittybyte.com/challenge
[07:11] <gordonjcp> theDudeknownasth: stick XFCE on it, if Unity seems too heavy
[07:11] <aeon-ltd> theDudeknownasth: hard drive?
[07:11] <kttybyte> anybody want to check it out?
[07:11] <gordonjcp> theDudeknownasth: stick another 2GB of RAM in it
[07:11] <buu> Speaking of things, why isn't anyone making a decent ultrabook at the moment
[07:11] <aeon-ltd> kttybyte: offtopic
[07:11] <gordonjcp> theDudeknownasth: RAM is cheap and will improve things massively
[07:11] <njsg> 2 gb of ram should be well enough, except maybe that firefox will make a fuss out of it sometimes
[07:11] <theDudeknownasth> i use it for writing up test sheets and messing about on company time
[07:11] <kttybyte> aeon-ltd: well, peripherally I was wondering if anyone could exploit it and get onto the ubuntu box it is sitting on
[07:12] <gordonjcp> theDudeknownasth: Unity is more memory-hungry than CPU-hungry, but requires fastish graphics
[07:12] <aeon-ltd> 2gb of mote ram is likely 10% the cost of the machine
[07:12] <aeon-ltd> *more
[07:12] <gordonjcp> aeon-ltd: depends on the model
[07:13] <gordonjcp> aeon-ltd: I just stuck 4GB in my elderly HP for about 15 quid per gig
[07:13] <gordonjcp> £45 and it's like a new machine :-)
[07:13] <buu> Hrm
[07:13] <subby1> wilee-nilee: For formatting I use Logical or Primary and I choose ext4 right?
[07:13] <buu> Does anyone know of an ultrabook better than the yoga2?
[07:14] <wilee-nilee> subby1, Logical would go inside a extended, You just installing ubuntu on this HD?
[07:14] <aeon-ltd> buu: for ubuntu use?
[07:14] <coderhs> hey can we access the ubuntu notification api from a web app
[07:14] <coderhs> ?
[07:14] <theDudeknownasth> i think i can only go up to 2gig on this model, not sure if a ssd would work but then i may as well spend on a better piece tech
[07:15] <subby1> wilee-nilee: Yeah only Ubuntu on this partition....
[07:15] <aeon-ltd> that;s ok, i think having limitations make it easier to learn linux
[07:15] <buu> aeon-ltd: Sure
[07:16] <aeon-ltd> buu: then it will vary, but it's important to search for problems such as wifi, if it has switchable graphics, extra keys to see if other users have problems getting them working
[07:17] <wilee-nilee> subby1, If you do not intend to go more than 4 partitions use a primary.
[07:18] <aeon-ltd> theDudeknownasth: most of what i learned about linux was on a pentium 4 with 512 mb ram, the limits made me explore for lighter software to free up ram and processing power for things i couldn't substitute like firefox + flash
[07:19] <subby1> wilee-nilee: The HDD that I am using has 3 partitions .....2 allocated(NTFS) and one unallocated(Installing Ubuntu here)...
[07:19] <buu> aeon-ltd: I was just trying to find one with decent specs
[07:21] <wilee-nilee> subby1, You can have 4 primaries or 3 primaries and a extended to contain logicals, you mentioned earlier that windows was on sda, are the ntfs partitions data partitions on the sdab?
[07:21] <wilee-nilee> sdb* is what I meant
[07:22] <theDudeknownasth> thanks
[07:23] <wilee-nilee> subby1, Sounds like you should make a extended, then put ubuntu in a logical inside of it than a swap in there too.
[07:23] <aeon-ltd> buu: acer s7? samsung series 9? dell xps(es)? i don't know about compatibility and problems though
[07:24] <subby1> wilee-nilee: sdb is completely empty. The sizes of the NTFS partitions on sdb are 598 GB  and 698 GB and the other 100GB is unallocated...... I think I should go for logical when I format the unallocated....
[07:25] <wilee-nilee> subby1, I would like to see a screen shot of sda and sdb to be honest now, you information is just not clear here.
[07:25] <aeon-ltd> buu: there are a lot around with ivy bridge intel, not all companies have rolled out haswell with features better graphics performance and better battery life
[07:26] <wilee-nilee> subby1, open gparted and take a screen shot of each HD and imagebin them.
[07:26] <aeon-ltd> *which not with
[07:28] <wilee-nilee> subby1, sdb is the whole HD, if it has ntfs partitions it is not empty, do you see now why your info is confusing.
[07:28] <luminous> how to get the user/archive of something like mongodb ppa?
[07:28] <luminous> http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/tutorial/install-mongodb-on-ubuntu/ <<< only lists sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv 7F0CEB10
[07:29] <ihre> luminous: there is a line below, " echo 'deb http://downloads-distro.mongodb.org/repo/ubuntu-upstart dist 10gen' | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mongodb.list " ...
[07:29] <czardoz> how can I set up only a static DNS? I want the IP, Gateway etc to be set from DHCP
[07:29] <czardoz> Oh, and I don't have a GUI, so the nm-applet way is not available
[07:30] <luminous> ihre: I'm not sure I follow you there
[07:30] <luminous> I'm looking for the mongodb equivalent of - ppa: "chris-lea/node.js"
[07:30] <Ben64> czardoz: /etc/network/interfaces
[07:30] <luminous> I'm using salt to install mongodb and adding PPAs with http://docs.saltstack.com/ref/states/all/salt.states.pkgrepo.html#salt.states.pkgrepo.managed
[07:30] <czardoz> Ben64: the man page for that is rather vague, can you point me to better documentation?
[07:31] <czardoz> (if it exists, heh)
[07:31] <luminous> czardoz: debians networking docs are pretty great
[07:31] <Ben64> czardoz: oh wait you said static dns only.... /etc/resolvconf/
[07:31] <luminous> ubuntu's is also pretty good
[07:31] <luminous> better than the manpages, a little higher level
[07:32] <czardoz> Hmm, I can't believe this is so hard to do in ubuntu
[07:32] <ihre> its /etc/resolv.conf then, not /etc/resolvconf/
[07:32] <ihre> echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 > /etc/resolv.conf
[07:32] <ihre> done
[07:32] <Ben64> ihre: nope
[07:32] <czardoz> ihre: resolv.conf is overwritten
[07:33] <czardoz> so that won't work
[07:33] <wilee-nilee> set the static in the router
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> !resolv-conf
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> !resolv.conf
[07:33] <czardoz> wilee-nilee: that's just a bad way to do it
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> my router can rember/assign ip based on mac  ;)
[07:33] <duffduff> is there a command/quick way to list all the currently open bugs for a given package and distribution?
[07:34] <wilee-nilee> czardoz, lol why.
[07:34] <duffduff> (by distribution I mean, differing versions)
[07:34] <ariel__> HI..room moderator..
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> telling the dhcp server to rember ip>mac is bad? ,,
[07:34] <subby1> wilee-nilee: Here you go http://imgur.com/a/7ZZT0 .................. I have 2 HDDs one 1 TB and the other 1.5TB
[07:34] <czardoz> wilee-nilee: what if I want one of my computers on one DNS and the other on a different one?
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> network manager lets you set a differnt dns server then what the router sends you
[07:35] <ariel__> i wanna ask some about ubuntu proxy server squid..it's right channel here..??
[07:35] <czardoz> Dr_Willis: yes, and that's the right way to do it
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> the resolv.conf stuff works as a cacheing dns server anyway. so i dont see any reason to  assign one to a diffefnet dns server
[07:36] <wilee-nilee> czardoz, Then you would do it in Ubuntu, you did not say you wanted to do that, its not intrisically bad to do this in the router, however as you say you "might want to do then use ubuntu.
[07:36] <ariel__> i wanna ask some about ubuntu proxy server squid..it's right channel here..??
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> czardoz:  err.. i dont get what you are getting at either.. dhcp server hands out the info. the clients can ignore it..
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> ariel__:  yes.
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> cant recall seeing any routers that assign DNS servers based on mac. ;) just ip's
[07:37] <wilee-nilee> subby1, That is not gparted. If you hae 3 partitions on the sdb, then you need a extended partition for ubuntu to be in a logical inside it, with a swap in the extended as well. Does this make sense, do you understand?
[07:37] <czardoz> wilee-nilee: If things can be configured for a particular machine, it's best to do that, that's all I'm saying
[07:37] <luminous> ariel__: don't ask to ask, just ask
[07:37] <wilee-nilee> czardoz, I would fully disagree, but it does not really matter.
[07:37] <czardoz> it doesn't indeed
[07:37] <ihre> czardoz: http://raamdev.com/2009/configuring-static-dns-with-dhcp-on-debianubuntu/ ?
[07:38] <wilee-nilee> best is a subjective anyway
[07:38] <ariel__> Dr_Willis, tell me pls what should be topologi to make ubuntu server proxy squid ..??
[07:39] <ariel__> my plans ISP-->MODEM-->UBUNTU S>ERVER--SWITCH/HUB--->Client
[07:39] <wilee-nilee> czardoz, For example I use opendns, so my router is set to those IP, so all my computers go through it.
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> ariel__:  huh? id suggest reading some of the squid guides on using squid
[07:39] <ariel__> for internet cafe
[07:39] <subby1> wilee-nilee: So my next step would be to make an Extended partition?
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> squid cach machine could be anywhere on the network
[07:40] <czardoz> wilee-nilee: yes. for me, I want one computer to use my own DNS and another to use 8.8.8.8, so I prefer configuring individual machines
[07:40] <wilee-nilee> subby1, If you are still unallocated yes make a extended filling that space then the logical for ubuntu and a swap inside of the extendd.
[07:40] <czardoz> anyway, to each his own, thanks :)
[07:40] <czardoz> ihre: that helps, thanks!
[07:40] <ihre> czardoz: supersede domain-name-servers 208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220;
[07:40] <wilee-nilee> czardoz, Yeah, we both make sense, lol. ;)
[07:42] <subby1> wilee-nilee: How do i make the extended....
[07:42] <luminous> anyone familiar enough with PPA to know how to look up the user/archive assocaited with the mongodb keyid?
[07:43] <wilee-nilee> subby1, I think you have that option in the something else gui, you can do all of this in gparted and still use the somethiong else option to set the ubuntu partition as mounted with /
[07:44] <wilee-nilee> subby1, If you use gparted close the installer first then start it again after the partitions are built i  gparted.
[07:44] <wilee-nilee> in*
[07:45] <ihre> luminous: I still dont quite get your question, but what about the original github acc of mongodb? https://github.com/mongodb/mongo
[07:49] <see1> hello folks i need help!! with sendmail...i can´t send any mail on my server
[07:50] <cbaafk> hello
[07:51] <cbaafk> what's the best tool to diagnose errors and restore system ?
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> !backup
[07:54] <cbaafk> Dr_Willis: I'm not asking about backup. please read the question.
[07:54] <cbaafk> what's the best tool to diagnose errors and restore system
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> you restore from backups.
[07:54] <cbaafk> ie. I have a busted system. no backups. I want to diagnose errors, see what went wrong. hopefully fix it
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> there is no single tool to just fix vague 'it dont work' problems.
[07:55] <wilee-nilee> cbaafk, Your question is to vague, there is no over arching tool that will fix any problem and restore your install.
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> tell the channel whats not working and we can suggest a path to follow
[07:55] <cbaafk> it's hardly vague. I got a bsod, with 'kernel bug' after which the system won't start, black screen. no startup utils work.
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> NOW you are givieng details.
[07:56] <gordonjcp> details that don't make sense though
[07:56] <wafflejock> does linux have a bsod
[07:56] <gordonjcp> no, it does not
[07:56] <cbaafk> it does
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> it has a BSOD screensaver. ;)
[07:56] <cbaafk> it sure as hell does. only it's black, not blue
[07:56] <wilee-nilee> cbaafk, You came here for help, if you are going to act indignant you will not get much help.
[07:56] <wafflejock> right
[07:56] <gordonjcp> cbaafk: "busted system" could mean it had a forklift run over it
[07:56] <cbaafk> but the abbreviation is still the same Bsod
[07:56] <cbaafk> :()
[07:56] <wafflejock> okay fair enough
[07:56] <wafflejock> so you have no boot loader anymore?
[07:57] <wafflejock> nothing after boot?
[07:57] <gordonjcp> cbaafk: you'd be surprised how often that happens
[07:57] <wafflejock> bios is still showing though?
[07:57] <cbaafk> got grub, but can't do anything other than a memtest in it
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> you did try the older kernels?
[07:57] <cbaafk> which went fine btw
[07:57] <wafflejock> what happens when you try to launch OSes?
[07:57] <cbaafk> yes. windows
[07:57] <cbaafk> :)
[07:57] <cbaafk> windows works fine
[07:58] <cbaafk> nvm I'll just read the logs maybe it's in there..
[07:58] <cbaafk> just curious what happened, the system just died on me for no apparent reason
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> ive seen windows 'seem' to work fine with flakey hardware because it tends to crash so much, you dont notice the extra crashing
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> without specific error messages - we cant even begin to guess
[07:58] <gordonjcp> cbaafk: run memtest86
[07:58] <cbaafk> should this be in system log?
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> and a memtest really should run for a rather long time.
[07:59] <gordonjcp> cbaafk: if it just keeled over with no error messages, that sounds like flaky hardware
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> if the kernel crashes.  the system really cant write to the log file  after the crash
[08:00] <wilee-nilee> bsod smells like a wubi
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> ssh in and monitor dmesg and logs and you might catch somtning as it crashes
[08:01] <crocket> hi
[08:02] <cbaafk> gordonjcp: Dr_Willis : nah, here's the log. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6217075/
[08:03] <crocket> ss in iproute ignores filters.
[08:03] <crocket> 'ss -apn sport = :8080' prints out all sockets.
[08:03] <crocket> It seems to be ubuntu issue.
[08:03] <cbaafk> I can paste the whole thing if you want
[08:04] <ArielX_> good morning people.. please see...  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6217078/  how to resolve this issue?
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> ArielX_:  at least summarize the issue for people to know if they have a remote idea of the problem/area of expertise
[08:05] <ArielX_> Dr_Willis.. i dont understand you
[08:05] <gordonjcp> cbaafk: that's the very start of dmesg
[08:05] <gordonjcp> cbaafk: all of that looks pretty normal
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> ArielX_:  summarize the problem. dont expect people to go to a URL to discover theyhave NO idea how to fix the issue.
[08:06] <cbaafk> gordonjcp: here's the full thing hf : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6217087/
[08:06] <wilee-nilee> ArielX_, Install leafpad and try it instead of gedit and use gksudo
[08:06] <ActionParsnip> leafpad rocks
[08:06] <cbaafk> anyway, I was looking for something along the lines of... system diagnostics, disk disagnostics, you know that kind of thing
[08:07] <ArielX_> I only did sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list  and then many errors returned on terminal hence I show the link
[08:07] <cbaafk> maybe scan everything see if it can be revived without new install etc..
[08:07] <cbaafk> cba spending a day installing everything over
[08:09] <quer> 35
[08:09] <quer> 410123696/58
[08:10] <_root_> hello; i have this problem; my urxvt doesn't start "urxvt: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn, aborting." and in my tty after exiting the X (FVWM); there are some lines "-*-Consolas-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-* wasn't found. the next thing is I have these fonts installed.
[08:11] <user258467> I have a ssh server with ogg files how do I play it from my client?
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> !info sshfs | user258467
[08:11] <Dr_Willis> sshfs is one way user258467
[08:11] <user258467> Dr_Willis, does this mean install another server?
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> sshfs  uses ssh
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> or mount the remote directoryu some other way like samba. or nfs. or use a dlna/upnp server
[08:14] <user258467> Dr_Willis, sshfs is wonderful
[08:14] <ArielX_> thanks worked... how do I remove a user from group sudo
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> sshfs is very handy
[08:14] <bocaneri> It's very handy, and dead simple to use.
[08:15] <jdsghiu> adf
[08:17] <moomoo> #puppet
[08:17] <luminous> ihre: nginx/nodejs/etc you can add apt key with just the user/archive as in: nginx/stable
[08:17] <luminous> moomoo: you see salt yet?
[08:17] <luminous> it'll save you a lot of work...
[08:17] <luminous> :)
[08:19] <hobarey> no "new version" party anymore?
[08:19] <crocket> OK, it was a PEBKAC.
[08:22] <Vialas> mynotes
[08:22] <Vialas> hmmm
[08:22] <Vialas> did he leave :(
[08:24] <hobarey> when new ubuntu out?
[08:24] <somsip> !saucy | hobarey
[08:24] <hobarey> why no excitement or countdown?
[08:24] <somsip> hobarey:  Discussion and
[08:24] <somsip>                 support in #ubuntu+1
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> thats so 1999 ;)
[08:30] <jago25_99> Is there a way to avoid running make and ./configure again after relising that --prefix=/usr should have been set (defaulted to /usr/local and now isn't overwtiting the .deb on the system)
[08:31] <hobarey> run ./configure again.. then make
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> actually if you just change the prefix i thoight the commands would only recompile any code that had changed. not everything
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> so it shouldent take much time
[08:33] <delinquentme_> move all files named run_01  .. run_20  to fwIter_01 ... fwIter_20
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> one way. use qmv, and a simple edit in a text editor. ;)
[08:34] <fishcooker> how to share the same desktop monitor with other user? i am running openbox session.
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> or do some bash script.
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> fishcooker:  you mean let them see your current desktop from a differnt machune?
[08:35] <fishcooker> yes you are right
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> vnc, x11vnc,  teamviewer
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> local network? or over the internet?
[08:37] <fishcooker> locally .. i've seen tighvnc but https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-setup-vnc-for-ubuntu-12
[08:37] <fishcooker> is it the right choice
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> a normal vnc server does NOT share the 'current visible desktop'
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> x11vnc or teamviewer can
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> you could make a 2nd desktop that you both could access thts shared if you wanted.
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> using the normal vnc servers
[08:38] <buu> fishcooker: I use x11vnc + vncviewer
[08:38] <buu> It isn't terribly efficient but works well
[08:39] <buu> And there's essentially zero setup
[08:41] <Micky> Hi all
[08:41] <Micky> I have a problem with Ubuntu
[08:42] <cfhowlett> !details|Micky,
[08:42] <Micky> It try sto start but halt during running the Apache service
[08:42] <buu> Hey guys, something not working, I think a computer is involved
[08:43] <Micky> what could be
[08:43] <Micky> ?
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> sudo service httpd restart    (or whatever service it is) should give some info in the logs.
[08:43] <Micky> but I'm not able to access the machine
[08:44] <Myrtti> Micky: I thought you were able to interact with the keyboard...
[08:44] <Micky> yes
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> so you baically are stuck. unless you give us some clue as how you plan on doing anything with this machine that is aparently 'untouchable'
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> more details please.
[08:45] <GIBRALTARESPANOL>  GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL   GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL   GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL   GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL
[08:45] <GIBRALTARESPANOL>  GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL   GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL   GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL   GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL
[08:45] <FloodBot1> GIBRALTARESPANOL: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:45] <Micky> unitl yesterday it starts normally with LXDE UI
[08:45] <Micky> after a reboot I verify that it doesn't start
[08:46] <Micky> and stop after loading the Apache service
[08:46] <knut_> hey guys, can i execute a sudo command in .bashrc?
[08:46] <Micky> but I'm able to interact with it with keyboard
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> Micky:  so.. 1) does this pc boot to a desktop or shell?
[08:46] <Myrtti> knut_: why would you want to do that?
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> Micky:  if so - then you can interact with it.
[08:46] <Micky> desktop
[08:47] <knut_> Myrtthi, I want to update some /etc file content
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> Micky:  so check the apache logs in /var/log  and look for any errors
[08:47] <Myrtti> knut_: you don't need to put sudo in .bashrc for that
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> knut_:  every time you start a shell? that would be weird
[08:47] <knut_> Myrtti: Thx!!
[08:48] <Myrtti> there's other ways, if you'd actually tell what you want to do, we could help better
[08:48] <knut_> Dr_Willis, I want it to happen on login. damn, good thing you got me there. :)
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> knut_:  at System boot - /etc/rc.local
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> graphical login - script in  ~/.config/autostart/
[08:49] <knut_> Myrtti, i have an obscure ibm db issue where the db users are listed in the login window. I want the users removed form passwd when Im not logged in.
[08:49] <knut_> Dr_Willis, I don't want it to happen at system start, but only when I am logged in. :) so a unity users login file perhaps?
[08:52] <knut_> Dr_Willis thanks, didn't see you already answered. :D
[08:52] <Micky> Now i verify that I'm able to access in ssh
[08:52] <Micky> where I can see detailed log of what happen during startup ?
[08:53] <k1l> Micki: syslog or dmesg in /var/log
[08:53] <Micky> could be only a lxde problem ?
[08:53] <k1l> Micky: ^ (sry Micki for wrong tab complete)
[08:54] <anton02> hi. How do I into ICS?
[08:54] <anton02> ICS = internet connection sharing
[08:55] <jago25_99> anton02, maybe google for iptables masquerade GUI ubuntu
[08:56] <anton02> nokay
[08:56] <Guest2768> man
[08:56] <k1l> anton02: the network manager got options for that
[08:56] <anton02> i see
[08:56] <subby1> i want to install ubuntu on my comp... i already have windows 7 installed on it....my c: drive is a total of 68.1 gb and i hv 41.7 gb free
[08:57] <subby1> can i go for it??
[08:57] <vlt> subby1: Yes. The installer should offer you to shrink the windows partition.
[08:58] <jago25_99> subby1, that's plenty. I think yes, you can resize Win7 NTFS partitions to make space for it with the Ubuntu CD. Backup first. Might be more reliable to use a pay for solution to make the partition
[08:59] <cfhowlett> !dualboot|subby1,
[08:59] <ThekK> subby1: 41.7GB is enough, just be careful when you manage your disk
[08:59] <dmku> Hi. I'm looking for a way to use "uid-owner" match with firewalld. With plain iptables i just use rule like "-A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner dmku -d 192.168.1.0/24 -j ACCEPT". But what is firewalld analog? Is "direct option" the only solution?
[08:59] <cfhowlett> !ics|anton02,
[08:59] <anton02> obottu: thanks
[09:00]  * cfhowlett Thinks he should be forgiven for thinking "ICS" meant Ice Cream Sandwich...
[09:00] <keo7> Hi guys, I'm trying to contact someon fron Canonical regarding a possible industrial year placement next year, does anyone have a corresponding email address as they don't seem to be picking up the telephone.
[09:01] <Micky> http://pastebin.com/gJy4WpKR - this is the log recorded in /var/log/syslog
[09:01] <Micky> can someone help me ?
[09:01] <Twenty-three> hi guys, i have an nvidia card and i use raring. in order to avoid the recent issues with nvia drivers i opted to try bumblebee. however, upon installation of bumblebee now i'm locked on a 1024 resolution and the only other option is lower resolution, how can i fix this?
[09:02] <jago25_99> Twenty-three, tried messing with /etc/X11/xorg.conf yet?
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> keo7: http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/contact
[09:03] <Twenty-three> jago25_99, based on what i could find in google someone with the same problem claimed to have solved it by deleting xorg.conf, i was not able to do the same because xorg.conf was missing
[09:04] <ActionParsnip> Micky: looks fine
[09:04] <ActionParsnip> Micky: there are very few lines so its not very useful
[09:04] <jago25_99> Twenty-three, try booting to cli mode and "X -reconfigure"
[09:04] <ActionParsnip> Micky: what is the problem?
[09:04] <Micky> ok
[09:05] <Micky> LXDE doesn't start
[09:05] <jago25_99> Micky, so you're thinking you got a AGP/GPU problem right?
[09:05] <Twenty-three> jago25_99: i'm not familiar with "booting to cli", would you mind elaborating?
[09:05] <Micky> no
[09:05] <ActionParsnip> Micky: what happens when you bootup?
[09:05] <Micky> I don't know what could be the problem
[09:05] <ActionParsnip> Micky: do you get the login screen?
[09:05] <jago25_99> Twenty-three, rescue mode at grub
[09:06] <Micky> the system stops the bootup after Apache service running
[09:06] <jago25_99> Twenty-three, or at least, find a way to stop X. could also try "service gdm stop" too
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> Micky: what video chip do you use?
[09:06] <Micky> now I'm verifying that is possible to access to the machine via SSH
[09:06] <tilerendering> hi - gksu/gksudo doesnt prompt me for a password - what´s wrong ?
[09:07] <jago25_99> Apache and a GPU on the same system... hmm...
[09:07] <Micky> I think that it's an integrated Intel chip
[09:07] <Twenty-three> jago25_99: i see, i'll try that and then i'll come back, thanks a lot
[09:07] <ActionParsnip> tilerendering: if you used it previously then you are in a grace period
[09:07] <Micky> it's a dell server
[09:07] <wilee-nilee> tilerendering, what actually happens?
[09:07] <ActionParsnip> Micky: you can verify via SSH using:   lspci | grep -i vga
[09:07] <foofoobar> Hi, I just got a new notebook with ubuntu 12.04 pre-installed (dell xps 13 developer). Now I notice that in irregular time intervals I loose my internet connection
[09:07] <foofoobar> The wireless connection is still alive
[09:07] <foofoobar> but when I do a ping, I get a "destination host unreachable"
[09:08] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: when it drops, run:   dmesg | tail -n 10   for clues
[09:08] <Micky> VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI ES1000 (rev 02)
[09:08] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: also check there are not lots of wifi networks on the same channel. You can do this with:  sudo iwlist scan
[09:08] <ActionParsnip> Micky: ok and the output of: lsb_release -sc
[09:09] <Micky> but now i notice that it displays "HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed for /dev/sda"
[09:09] <ActionParsnip> Micky: try the bootoption:  radeon.blacklist=1
[09:09] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, there are a lot of [ 8727.630309] type=1701 audit(1381396002.546:1329): auid=4294967295 uid=1001 gid=1001 ses=4294967295 pid=21150 comm="chrome" reason="seccomp" sig=0 syscall=2 compat=0 ip=0x7f1e150e56c0 code=0x50001
[09:09] <Micky> lsb_release -sc = precise
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: ok, see what that means online
[09:11] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, It's just the kernel logging audit events of seccomp from Chrome's sandbox
[09:11] <foofoobar> So I dont think it is related to the network problems
[09:11] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: what wifi chip are you using?
[09:11] <Micky> HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed for /dev/sda1 - any idea ?
[09:12] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, 01:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR9462 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: ok, what drive module:  sudo lshw -C network    will show you
[09:13] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/49PKSFaF
[09:13] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: driver=ath9k ;)
[09:14] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, correct
[09:14] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: try:   echo "options ath9k nohwcrypt=1" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/ath9kfix.conf > /dev/null
[09:14] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: reboot to test
[09:15] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, what does this do ?
[09:15] <foofoobar> I mean, I know what the comman does
[09:15] <foofoobar> But the nohwcrypt
[09:16] <subby1> vlt: will the installer offer me to shrink then and there or i should jst shrink it with my disk management tool??
[09:20] <subby1> ThekK: if i install ubuntu by giving it a space of 20 gb will it run???
[09:20] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, I will reboot and see what happens :)
[09:21] <subby1> i want to install ubuntu on my comp... i already have windows 7 installed on it....my c: drive is a total of 68.1 gb and i hv 41.7 gb free......can i go for it??
[09:22] <gulag2013> subby1, that is plenty of space.
[09:23] <subby1> gulag2013: if i gv 20 gb space to ubuntu and the rest for windows ....would it cause any problem???
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> subby1: resize the NTFS in Windows then install Ubuntu to the freed space
[09:26] <knut_> Hi guys, i am lucky and have a ubuntu computer at work. However the 755 permissions on home dir makes me a bit nervous. Is this the standards/default permission recommended also for company connected computers? Is there any policies here?
[09:29] <gulag2013> knut, you can change the permission using chmod to what ever you like.
[09:30] <Micky> hdparm -i /dev/sda gets this error: HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument
[09:30] <Micky> it's normal ?
[09:30] <knut_> gulag2013: Yes i know, but I'm interested in the policy here.
[09:31] <gulag2013> subby, honestly give it more room if you plan on keeping it long term.
[09:31] <Micky> anyone that help me with hdparm -i /dev/sda gets this error: HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument
[09:31] <Micky> please ?
[09:31] <scott_w> hi, does anyone know what sfcbd is?
[09:32] <Rory> Micky: What Ubuntu version
[09:32] <scott_w> it's running on one of our servers and is using up 50% of the system's memory
[09:32] <ihre> !sfcbd
[09:32] <Rory> Micky: This is a warning from hdparm as it can have problems communicating with external usb hard drives, so you can ignore that warning.
[09:33] <Micky> but I obtain this error also when I bootup the system+
[09:33] <Micky> my problem is that LXDE UI doesn't start
[09:33] <Micky> could be a related problem ?
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> Micky: have you searched for the error online?
[09:35] <Micky> I'm searching
[09:35] <Micky> but is very difficult to explain what problem is
[09:35] <Micky> because the system goes up but it doesn't run the LXDE environment
[09:36] <Micky> there's a log also for the desktop manager ?
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> Micky: but you havethe error to search for, also make sure the BIOS is up to date and that the drives are detecting correctly
[09:37] <Micky> all works fine because yesterday evening it works very well
[09:37] <Micky> after a reboot it stops to work
[09:39] <Micky> now I discover that if I go into the shell (CTRL + ALT + F1)
[09:39] <Micky> and run startx the screen become black
[09:40] <Micky> seems that something happen but there's a problem with the desktop manager
[09:40] <Micky> what do you think ?
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> Micky: try:  sudo service lightdm restart
[09:41] <Micky> now changing tty from 2 to 1 I see the error "no protocol specified"
[09:42] <lawl> Hi! I would need some help after upgrading, it boots directly into tty1 instead of lightdm
[09:51] <Uragan> hi there !!
[09:51] <Uragan> how`r you?
[09:59] <kongthap> after scan disk using fsck, i got lost-found folder on each partitions can i delete it???
[10:02] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, so far no connection problems
[10:02] <foofoobar> how can I disable this option, so I can re-check if they occur if I disable it
[10:03] <lawl> How can I remove all my previsous installed nvidia packages and re-install? right now i have a API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has version 3.19.32 but this NVIDIA driver component has version 304.99" ..probably because I installed some package back when I was running 12.04 LTS (And I have now upgraded to 13.04)
[10:05] <tbharath> I am getting loww disk space error, but I have space in my home directory, is it due swap size?
[10:08] <foofoobar> tbharath, do a df -h and see where you have not enough space left
[10:10] <parduse> Hello. I am on win 7. My host is winhost.dyndns.org. My server is ubuntuhost.dyndns.org. How will i surf from win by using socks on serverusing port 9090? Tried ssh -N -D 0.0.0.0:9090 localhost already but failed.Any suggestions?
[10:10] <tbharath> foofoobar, http://dpaste.com/1411956/
[10:12] <foofoobar> tbharath, the last line
[10:13] <foofoobar> you have 91% used in /dev/sda1
[10:13] <tbharath> foofoobar, but that is my hard drive
[10:14] <tbharath> foofoobar, and in that I got 14 G
[10:14] <tbharath> foofoobar, I got an error "low disk space 102 mb available"
[10:15] <foofoobar> tbharath, where do you get this error
[10:15] <tbharath> foofoobar, while running vagrant up, I got that alert box
[10:17] <ActionParsnip> tbharath: what is the output of:   df -i
[10:18] <tbharath> ActionParsnip, http://dpaste.com/1411967/
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> tbharath: thats fine :)
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> parduse: can you ping localhost?
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> parduse: what is the fail message?
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> parduse: did you try adding the -v option to ssh to get verbose output?
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> parduse: can other systems use this ok?
[10:20] <asdf__> asd
[10:21] <asdf__> How do I install packages which I downloaded from the internet, for example java?
[10:21] <geirha> Perhaps vagrant is trying to put stuff in /run/user; it has around 105MB available
[10:22] <parduse> ActionParsnip>> localhost (server) is remote computer at this moment i am connecting somewhere else to the internet now. Msg compalined about password exactly the same as here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/194936/how-do-i-turn-ubuntu-12-04-server-into-an-open-socks5-proxy where it says Not so much in my case (error message):
[10:22] <parduse> Permission denied (publickey).
[10:22] <jago25_99> asdf__, try to stick with the packages that come with Ubuntu in most cases but other than that, if it's a .sh file you run it (double click or ./file.sh) or if it's a .deb appropriate for your version of Ubuntu you use "dpkg -i file.pkg"
[10:22] <jago25_99> bah! I was too slow!
[10:23] <parduse> ActionParsnip>> i can ssh to my server. server is up and working just that i cannot use it as a proxy now,
[10:23] <asdfgh> How do i install packages which I downloaded from the internet, for example java?
[10:23] <lawl> Would someone like to help me with nvidia-drivers problem?
[10:23] <asdfgh> I can't open them with software center
[10:24] <jago25_99> asdfgh,  asdf__, try to stick with the packages that come with Ubuntu in most cases but other than that, if it's a .sh file you run it (double click or ./file.sh) or if it's a .deb appropriate for your version of Ubuntu you use "dpkg -i file.pkg"
[10:24] <asdfgh> thank you very much jago25, im new to ubuntu
[10:24] <DJones> !java | asdfgh Using Java as the example,
[10:31] <goku123> i want to shrink my paritions and gv some space to c drive...... i hv 2 HDD's....one is 1 TB and the other is 1.5 TB.......i hv installed windos 7 on the 1 TB HDD and i hv 5 partitions in total where 3 are frm 1TB and the other 2 are from 1.5TB....if i shrink my 1 TB HDD will my data get deleted from the partitions???
[10:32] <goku123> i want to shrink my paritions and gv some space to c drive...... i hv 2 HDD's....one is 1 TB and the other is 1.5 TB.......i hv installed windos 7 on the 1 TB HDD and i hv 5 partitions in total where 3 are frm 1TB and the other 2 are from 1.5TB....if i shrink my 1 TB HDD will my data get deleted from the partitions???
[10:33] <Dai_1987> goku123: shrinking partitions shouldn't lose data but increasing the size of c: can't be done by windows, you need to get a third party partitioning tool
[10:34] <goku123> Dai_1987: can u name some third party partitioning tools
[10:34] <Dai_1987> goku123: actually, im not sure it's possible to spread a partition over two physical drives
[10:35] <Dai_1987> goku123: nvm, misread
[10:35] <Dai_1987> goku123: you might be able to get gparted for windows, that'll do it
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> goku123: Windows7 can shrink its own partitions
[10:35] <Dai_1987> i rememeber using some tool once... shareware i think, can't rememebr the name
[10:35] <Dai_1987> ActionParsnip: it can shrink them, but it can't increase the size of c:
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> Dai_1987: sure it can
[10:36] <j_> goku123, partitionmagic, gnuparted on an iso
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> Dai_1987: if there is space to increase to
[10:36] <goku123> Dai_1987: if i first shrink from the other two partitions and then exten it to my c drive ....will my data get deleted????
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> goku123: no, plus you will have a backup of your data (if it is important)
[10:37] <Dai_1987> goku123: no
[10:37] <OnceMe> how can I have two IP ranges?  I have ifcfg-eth0-range0 and IP_ADDR_START=** and END IP. However ifcfg-eth0-range1 brings me an error. I tried to make eth1, but no success
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> OnceMe: you can make sub-interfaces
[10:37] <OnceMe> ActionParsnip:how?
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> OnceMe: or 2 physical interfaces n 2 different subnets
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> OnceMe: udo ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.50.1 netmask 255.255.255.0; sudo ifconfig eth0:0 up
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> OnceMe: udo/sudo
[10:39] <OnceMe> but the thing is I have range of IP's
[10:39] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, as far as I can tell the nohwcrypt option fixed it, but I want to make sure it was this
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> OnceMe: you will then have eth0 on whatever, and eth0:0 on 192.168.50.1
[10:39] <foofoobar> so I want to re-enable the nohwcrypt, how? By simply moving the file?
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: run it a while
[10:39] <OnceMe> I already have eth0
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> OnceMe: yes and the command makes a subinterface eth0:0
[10:40] <OnceMe> I have ifcfg-lo
[10:40] <OnceMe> where is subnet etc
[10:40] <ihre> OnceMe: you add eth0:0 as a virtual nic/alias for eth0. Isnt ifcfg-lo/ifcfg-eth0 RH based by the way?
[10:41] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, it's running since 1:30h
[10:41] <OnceMe> yes it is
[10:42] <ihre> OnceMe: shouldnt you ask for support in another channel then? ie #centos
[10:43] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> OnceMe: if the OS is not Ubuntu, why ask here when it is not supported here
[10:43] <OnceMe> I did
[10:43] <OnceMe> and they replied
[10:43] <OnceMe> I am happy now
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> OnceMe: cool
[10:44] <j_> ActionParsnip, probably because this channel has people in it
[10:44] <BillJames66> hi all.. im trying to find where i can buy support (ie pay for support) over the phone.
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: sometimes modules need extra options to work well. I suggest you make a backup of the file you made so you can reinstate it if you need to reinstall ever
[10:45] <Finkelstein> is Ubuntu a zionist conspiracy?
[10:45] <ihre> yep
[10:45] <Finkelstein> i knew it
[10:46] <parduse> finkelstein what is it about?
[10:46] <k1l> dont mind the trolls. lets carry on wiht support :)
[10:46] <parduse> :)
[10:47] <parduse> ubuntu is what makes me love linux
[10:47] <parduse> although i am a noob^noob
[10:48] <lawl> I'm having problem booting into lightdm :(
[10:49] <BillJames66> i have a mixed users using mbox and Maildir.  where should i look to fix this
[10:49] <lawl> Total noob, in need of help!
[10:50] <k1l> BillJames66: is that an isue for #ubuntu-servers? for commercial support you may want to talk to canonical
[10:50] <k1l> !details | lawl
[10:52] <BillJames66> kll: thx
[10:53] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, I have also some confusion about the fan control. I keep watching the cpu temp, and if my notebook is on battery or charger, the temp does not change
[10:53] <oskar> fuck you
[10:53] <foofoobar> however, when I plug in the charger, the fan starts spinning
[10:53] <lawl> I have problem with booting to lightdm, on boot it goes from grub2 -> tty1. I'm running Ubuntu version 13.04. When I boot I get into tty1 login screen.
[10:53] <foofoobar> but the cpu temp keeps the same
[10:54] <lawl> boot.log... * Stopping GNOME Display Manager [OK]
[10:55] <k1l> lawl: look into syslog and dmesg what is going wrong there
[10:55] <gartral> foofoobar: i don't see how battery versus mains power would affect the temp of your cpu.. how hot does it say it's getting?
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: are there known issues with your make and model system?
[10:57] <BluesKaj> lawl, what's the error with , sudo service lightdm start ?
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: do you have the latest BIOS if your system uses one
[10:57] <foofoobar> gartral, it is not affecting it, but pluging the power affects the fan speed
[10:57] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, yes
[10:57] <foofoobar> I have the latest BIOS
[10:57] <lawl> K1l, thanks im looking at the moment..
[10:58] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, what do you mean by "make and model system" ?
[10:58] <lawl> BluesKaj it says, lightdm start/running, process 2936
[10:58] <gartral> foofoobar: ahh i see now, so your more worried about the fact that temps don't go down after a minute or so of being on mains!
[10:58] <foofoobar> I read there were problems with this notebook model and BIOS with version below A03
[10:58] <faugusztin> foofoobar: isn't your CPU governor changing when pluggin the adapter ?
[10:58] <foofoobar> but i'm at A09
[10:58] <foofoobar> gartral, no I'm annoyed why the fan starts spinning
[10:59] <foofoobar> it's a sound which is a bit annoying
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: is it a Dell? Is it a Toshiba?
[10:59] <foofoobar> faugusztin, this may be, but why should the fan start spinning when I plug in the charger?
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: is it a home build PC?
[10:59] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, Dell XPS 13 Developer
[10:59] <BluesKaj> lawl, have you tried startx ?
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: then taht is the make and model, as I asked...
[10:59] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-linux/pd
[10:59] <foofoobar> ah, okay
[10:59] <gartral> foofoobar: well it's likely as faugusztin said, the cpu governer is probably changing when you go from battery to mains
[11:00] <foofoobar> gartral, is this a software or hardware related thing?
[11:00] <k1l> lawl: without any errormessage we cant really help.
[11:00] <lawl> BluesKaj, yes. it gives me following message: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc: 3: exec: /usr/bin/X: not found
[11:00] <lawl> xinit: giving up
[11:01] <lawl> xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused
[11:01] <k1l> dont use startx on ubuntu. lightdm is the way to start
[11:01] <k1l> !paste | lawl
[11:01] <k1l> lawl: put the syslog, dmesg etc in there so we can have a look
[11:01] <geirha> lawl: Sound like you simply don't have Xorg installed ...
[11:01] <lawl> k1l, okey hangon one minute.
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: http://askubuntu.com/questions/226450/dell-xps-15z-fan-issue-in-ubuntu-12-04
[11:02] <gartral> foofoobar: bit of both, while the governer limits the throttle of the cpu more restrictively on battery, keeping it cooler, when you switch to mains it releases that throttle and the cpu will run faster.. you can install a governer control widget or app to tray and force into different states
[11:02] <BluesKaj> lawl, what graphics ?
[11:02] <eslu> anyone with expertiece in object-oriented programming? got some troubles, so i came here for hope.
[11:02] <lawl> geirha, is Xorg used for lightdm?
[11:02] <kongthap> after scan disk using fsck, i got lost-found folder on each partitions can i delete it???
[11:02] <lawl> i mean, should I try and install it?
[11:03] <Dai_1987> eslu: try a programming channel
[11:03] <foofoobar> gartral, can you give me a name of such a governor control application?
[11:03] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, thanks. It's not the same model, but maybe I try the "noapic" thing
[11:03] <eslu> Dai_1987, and what is the name of such a channel?
[11:03] <Dai_1987> eslu: no idea, what language are you using?
[11:03] <eslu> java
[11:04] <Dai_1987> im sure theres a #java
[11:04] <k1l> !alis | eslu
[11:04] <k1l> lawl: what ubuntu is this?
[11:04] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, so eactivating apic will decrease my power performance, correct?
[11:04] <k1l> lawl: did it work before? what changed?
[11:04] <gartral> foofoobar: i'll warn you, without apic you'll likely hear that fan *all* the time
[11:04] <foofoobar> gartral, oh, ok
[11:04] <foofoobar> so this is not the way to go :D
[11:05] <k1l> foofoobar: you want more power and less fan spinning?
[11:05] <gartral> foofoobar: it's not set in stone, different computers react differently to the noapic flag, it's worth testing, but likely the CPU will run at max speed all the time
[11:05] <foofoobar> k1l, I want less fan spinning
[11:05] <foofoobar> the power is okay for me
[11:06] <gartral> k1l: his fan is irritating him
[11:06] <geirha> lawl: Install the package named   ubuntu-desktop
[11:06] <lawl> k1l, dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6217535/ syslog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6217538/
[11:06] <foofoobar> I have the notebook plugged in most of the time, so it's okay if the battery does not last that long
[11:06] <Touhou11> I suggest a CPU with passive cooling, such as an ARM or Via chip
[11:06] <foofoobar> hardware replacement is currently not an option ;)
[11:07] <lawl> K1l, Ubuntu 13.04 .. I upgraded from 12.04LTS -> 12.10 .. then upgraded via tty1 from 12.10 to 13.04
[11:08] <foofoobar> What is a "normal" cpu temp ?
[11:08] <lawl> K1l, lightdm graphics was working in 12.04 then from 12.10 it was only tty1
[11:08] <k1l> lawl: and what desktop is it? unity? any PPAs on?
[11:08] <foofoobar> Mine is between 50° - 60° when doing basic stuff like irc/web/etc
[11:08] <gartral> foofoobar: for laptops, between 40-60C depending on model, air temp and usage
[11:08] <foofoobar> (celsius)
[11:09] <gartral> foofoobar: that's a little in the high side
[11:09] <lawl> K1l, how can I see that? sorry im noob
[11:09] <foofoobar> gartral, so thats not good
[11:10] <gartral> foofoobar: I would honestly suggest buying a cooler plate that has 1-2 120mm fans in it.. they're usually cheap enough and that will certainly kill a few birds with one stone
[11:10] <foofoobar> gartral, I'm a bit confused because the temp just switches between 4 values. 39°, 40°, 50° and 60°, there are no values between this
[11:10] <geirha> lawl: The ubuntu-desktop package has probably been uninstalled at some point
[11:11] <lawl> geirha: installing ubuntu-desktop and rebooting right now..
[11:11] <gartral> foofoobar: that may very well be due to a bad configuration in sensors (software) or you're system has screwball thermal sensors (hardware)
[11:12] <foofoobar> gartral, okay
[11:12] <foofoobar> so what can I do ?
[11:12] <foofoobar> *should
[11:12] <BluesKaj> geirha, that's starange , why would the desktop uninstall ?
[11:13] <lawl> gierha, k1l: I've installed ubuntu-desktop and now get to the lightdm loginscreen thanks!
[11:13] <lawl> gierha, k1l: tho, when I try to login, I get put back to the login-screen again!
[11:13] <gartral> foofoobar: try installing lm-sensors and sensor-applet
[11:13] <k1l> lawl: please show the ".xsessions-errors" from that users home
[11:14] <gartral> foofoobar: sensors-applet
[11:14] <k1l> lawl: and controll if the .Xauthority file in the users home belongs to your user and not root:root
[11:14] <foofoobar> lm-sensors already installed, sensors-applet is not found
[11:14] <geirha> BluesKaj: If you uninstall one of the graphical packages that's installed by default, ubuntu-desktop will get uninstalled
[11:16] <foofoobar> gartral, should I follow this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto ?
[11:16] <geirha> and if ubuntu-desktop is not installed when you do a release upgrade, you won't get any new packages the new version of ubuntu-desktop depend on
[11:16] <BluesKaj> germanstudent, ok , thought just KDE had that problem :)
[11:16] <BluesKaj> oops geirha ^
[11:17] <Touhou11> I thought ubuntu-desktop was just a meta-package without proper dependencies
[11:17] <lawl> K1l, changing ownership from root to user on the file worked, thanks!!
[11:18] <gartral> foofoobar: yea, that's safe.. and it'll tell you exactly what's going on
[11:18] <lawl> K1l, geirha, Thanks alot for the support! I should buy you a beer! ;)
[11:18] <k1l> lawl: that happens when you misuse sudo for grafical programs or use startx
[11:18] <gartral> lawl: mmmm, beer!
[11:19] <faugusztin> foofoobar: do this when not connected to adapter, and when connected : step 1) sudo -s       step 2)  for cpu in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor; do cat $cpu; done
[11:20] <faugusztin> foofoobar: they should display powersave when not connected and probably ondemand when connected
[11:20] <tilerendering> errm - changing the password for a user while being admin/su, without knowing the previous password --> how ?
[11:20] <foofoobar> faugusztin, I disconnected the power plug and ran the command
[11:20] <foofoobar> I get "ondemand" echo'd for 4 times
[11:21] <foofoobar> when connected, I also get "ondemand"
[11:22] <faugusztin> foofoobar: so it is not the power governor then in linux, that means it is simply a choice inside the BIOS logic unfortunately, which you cannot change
[11:22] <foofoobar> ok
[11:23] <faugusztin> foofoobar: the only thing you can do is limit heat, that means use powersave governor, but that will limit the perfromance
[11:23] <faugusztin> because it will run your CPU on minimum clock possible
[11:23] <linu> hi i have installed eclipse on my ubunt12.04 64 bit,when i click the eclipse icon it prompt a window that shows http://pastebin.com/bejJAzaA can you tell me what is that issues
[11:25] <foofoobar> faugusztin, okay
[11:26] <foofoobar> so first I'm trying to fix the sesonrs thing so I have better look over my cpu temp
[11:27] <foofoobar> http://pastebin.com/5H4ancgh
[11:27] <jon8> I'm looking to setup a VM installation of Ubuntu on my Windows PC so that I can have someplace to write and test PHP code with MySQL support. Should I install Ubuntu Server or Ubuntu Desktop?
[11:27] <foofoobar> This is my `sensors` output, it's still just switching between 39, 49,50,59,60
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> jon8: if you are new to the OS then I suggest desktop
[11:28] <jon8> ActionParsnip, Ok, thank you.
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> jon8: Lubuntu is light and breezy and will impact the host less
[11:28] <mehdi> can somebuddy get me remaster .deb? due to embargo i cant get that
[11:28] <kostkon> foofoobar, is it new hardware?
[11:29] <Uragan> hi
[11:29] <foofoobar> kostkon, yes
[11:29] <foofoobar> kostkon, a new dell xps 13
[11:29] <kostkon> foofoobar, then you need to be aware of this http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ3MDE
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> mehdi: will uck not do it?
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> !info uck
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> mehdi: http://fabrizioballiano.net/2007/11/27/remastering-an-ubuntu-alternate-iso-with-ubuntu-customization-kit-the-complete-guide/
[11:30] <jon8> ActionParsnip, Thank you for the suggestion, I'm fine with using normal Ubuntu.
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> mehdi: http://www.filewatcher.com/m/oem-config-remaster_2.4.8_all.deb.113504-0.html    maybe?
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> jon8: it uses more resources, thats why I suggest Lubuntu as it will cause less strain on the host
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> jon8: your call :)
[11:31] <jon8> ActionParsnip, Lubuntu it is then.
[11:32] <jon8> ActionParsnip, I'm just in need of something that can run Apache and MySQL in a linux environment for a proper development environment so deployment is easy. ;)
[11:32] <jon8> ActionParsnip, grabbing Lubuntu now.. Thank you for your suggestions. One last quick question.. is support for Lubuntu here? or in another channel?
[11:33] <mehdi> ActionParsnip, uck? is it a package for installation?
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> jon8: yes its here, sadly lubuntu 12.04 isnt LTS but Lubuntu 14.04 is :)
[11:33] <foofoobar> kostkon, so what does this mean to me? Should I remove the coretemp mod from my modules conf?
[11:33] <foofoobar> it was inserted by sensors-detect
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> mehdi: yes, see ubottu's output#
[11:33] <kostkon> foofoobar, you said about sensors? have you used or planned to use lmsensors?
[11:34] <Finkelstein> i tried Lubuntu. it is very simple
[11:34] <jon8> ActionParsnip, I could only find a download link for Lubuntu 13.04.. I'll have to recheck. Thanks for the heads up.
[11:34] <Finkelstein> has sum it first
[11:35] <faugusztin> linu: just a wild guess - 32-bit eclipse vs 64-bit JDK, or vice versa ?
[11:35] <mehdi> ubottu, what is uck
[11:35] <mehdi> ubottu, uck?
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> !uck | mehdi
[11:35] <Uragan> can help me?  i need to switchoff display blanking on ubuntu serv 12.04. xset helpfull untill reboot..but i need my screen working all time.
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> Uragan: i'd ask in #ubuntu-server too
[11:36] <kostkon> foofoobar, oh sensors utility is in lmsensors package so you already did.
[11:37] <Uragan> thx
[11:38] <foofoobar> kostkon, I did this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[11:38] <foofoobar> so the "coretemp" mod is loaded (i can see it under lsmod)
[11:38] <kostkon> foofoobar, yeah the lmsensors how-to
[11:39] <foofoobar> kostkon, the link you gave me said there a problems with this sensors thing
[11:39] <foofoobar> so should I unload the module now?
[11:40] <kostkon> foofoobar, too late now :P  you ran sensors-detect
[11:40] <foofoobar> :/
[11:41] <foofoobar> But I have no display problems
[11:41] <kostkon> foofoobar, just keep an eye on any strange symptoms from now on
[11:41] <kostkon> for*
[11:41] <foofoobar> ok
[11:41] <foofoobar> so no need to display it now?
[11:41] <linu> faugusztin, you right i have installed 64 bit jdk but 32 bit eclipse eclipse-jee-juno-SR2-linux-gtk.tar.gz,is it possible to upgrade from existing eclipse to 64 bit or something  any other solution
[11:42] <faugusztin> linu: just download the 64-bit eclipse and replace it, you will have to redownload the plugins if needed, but that is about all of it
[11:42] <mehdi> ActionParsnip, is ubuntu customizer kit works for other ubuntu-based disrtos?
[11:42] <faugusztin> linu: or install a 32-bit JDK (not sure if possible)
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> mehdi: i'd imagine so
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> mehdi: not 100% sure
[11:42] <kostkon> foofoobar, do anything you like. my job is done. i warned you about lsmsensors and that's it :P
[11:43] <linu> faugusztin, better i can go for 64-bit eclipse
[11:43] <foofoobar> kostkon, I think I remove the coretemp mod to be safe
[11:43] <foofoobar> I dont want any hardware issues
[11:43] <kostkon> foofoobar, you have already run the sensors-detect so there's no point to worry much now
[11:44] <foofoobar> ok
[11:44] <kostkon> foofoobar, no, it's safe
[11:44] <foofoobar> all right
[11:44] <mehdi> ActionParsnip, ok i will test it
[11:44] <foofoobar> but if you look at my output of sensors, there is something not correct, right?
[11:45] <kostkon> foofoobar, hmm isa adapter? that seems a bit strange
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: have you contacted Dell?
[11:45] <faugusztin> foofoobar: looking at temps shown in review on windows, i think it is just a sensor limitation
[11:45] <faugusztin> foofoobar: http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/cpu_load.png - see, 50, 80, 79 - similar temp values to yours
[11:46] <kostkon> foofoobar, but ok scratch that, it's the cpu temp
[11:46] <faugusztin> i think it is just some strange Dell cost saving thing, not sure why, not sure how, but seems like it
[11:49] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, no, for what? That the sensors give me strange results?
[11:49] <foofoobar> kostkon, I have 4 cores and only 2 are shown
[11:49] <foofoobar> also the temp is only shown in steps like 10°C
[11:49] <foofoobar> ok
[11:49] <kostkon> oh
[11:50] <chemist^> Hello everyone!
[11:50] <foofoobar> ok, so no need to worry :)
[11:51] <kostkon> foofoobar, are you sure is 4 cores or just 2 HT cores?
[11:51] <chemist^> I've got a question/problem to ask about installing ubuntu-server.... I get this error msg when installing the system: "Unable to install the selected kernel"  .... Kernel package: 'linux-generic-lts-raring'
[11:51] <kostkon> it's*
[11:51] <chemist^> is it possible that my computer is too old for this kernel to work on it?
[11:51] <kostkon> foofoobar, even the image that faugusztin posted shows 2 cores
[11:51] <arcsky> hello, how can i fix the menu so its in the program instead of the top of my screen?
[11:52] <foofoobar> kostkon, I just cat'ed /proc/cpuinfo and it showed 4
[11:52] <parduse> how do i surf the web thru my server? my laptop and server are on different wan ips
[11:52] <foofoobar> so I thought this means 4 cores
[11:53] <kostkon> foofoobar, not necessarily
[11:53] <faugusztin> foofoobar: but you have 2 cores
[11:53] <foofoobar> kostkon, the posted screenshot is i5
[11:53] <faugusztin> foofoobar: mobile i5 is dualcore with hyperthreading
[11:53] <foofoobar> I have i7
[11:53] <foofoobar> "htop" also shows 4 cores
[11:53] <faugusztin> foofoobar: same, unless your CPU has Q in name, you have dualcore
[11:54] <faugusztin> foofoobar: my Xeon was showing 8 cores in htp and cpuinfo, but that doesn't mean my S1155 Xeon had 8 real cores :)
[11:54] <tilerendering> how do I setup private keys for ssh for a non-root/admin user ?
[11:55] <tilerendering> (as the user himself)
[11:55] <foofoobar> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3537U
[11:55] <foofoobar> So what does htop shows me? Are this virtual cores?
[11:55] <faugusztin> foofoobar: dualcore with hyperthreading it is
[11:55] <faugusztin> foofoobar: 1.9GHz if i remember correctly
[11:55] <kostkon> foofoobar, you learn something new every day :P
[11:55] <foofoobar> http://ark.intel.com/products/72054/ 2 cores, you are right
[11:55] <faugusztin> foofoobar: 2 are real cores, 2 are virtual... same for all ULV and normal mobile CPU. The only ones with 4 cores in mobile are the ones i said - the ones ending with QM
[11:56] <foofoobar> yeah, this is new to me :D
[11:56] <arcsky> none know?
[11:56] <kostkon> foofoobar, go ahead and use these two temps from lmsensors if you want, look normal to me
[11:57] <foofoobar> ok
[11:58] <kostkon> foofoobar, there are apps that display system temps, e.g. conky, indicators, etc etc just get one of those
[11:58] <streulma> hello, my friend has an ugly window decoration in Ubuntu 12.04 what can we do ?
[11:58] <streulma> it's like all GTK rendered
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> streulma: theme it, or replace teh WM
[11:58] <psy362> id say theme it
[11:58] <streulma> it's normal ubuntu theme
[11:59] <foofoobar> kostkon, I'm using i3wm wih has a status bar (i3status)
[11:59] <psy362> lol yea, you would just want to theme it
[11:59] <foofoobar> I'm displaying the cpu temp there
[11:59] <foofoobar> I'm getting the value from /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[11:59] <tilerendering> where is my private key file stored on ubuntu ?
[12:00] <xtriz> what is the difference between using libvrit and kvm for virtualization ?
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> tilerendering: for ssh you mean?
[12:00] <tilerendering> yes
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> tilerendering: ~/.ssh
[12:00] <foofoobar> faugusztin, kostkon but the sensors are strange. It's now switching between 39°C and 50°C
[12:00] <tilerendering> and if the user has no home directory ?
[12:01] <kostkon> foofoobar, hmm
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> tilerendering: then they wont have a key, they need to log in to generate the key, don'tthere
[12:01] <tilerendering> I mean apparently I am able to ssh with this user identity. so the private key file must be somewhere
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> tilerendering: it is in ~/.ssh for each user
[12:01] <tilerendering> ActionParsnip: how is it possible I can ssh from this user then ?
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> tilerendering: no idea, connect with verbose option to see what is going on
[12:03] <arcsky> menu for firefox are in the top menu instead of the original window, how can i change that ?
[12:03] <barthem> it might be a stuppid question, but im gona ask it anyway. whats the name of the side bar in the ubuntu gnome eviroment?
[12:04] <faugusztin> foofoobar: thermal_zone0 is temperature provided by ACPI, it could have been "normalized"
[12:04] <kostkon> arcsky, easily, just go into your ffox addons and disable the global menu extension
[12:04] <kostkon> done*
[12:04] <CupOfCocoa> Hey guys, I have a machine with Ubuntu connected to the web. Now I would like to mount a directory from that machine on OS X, any ideas how to go about that? I googled but only found tutorials for the other way around
[12:04] <faugusztin> foofoobar: if you have coretemp module loaded, you can safely use lm_sensors too, so just do this in console watch -n 1 sensors
[12:05] <faugusztin> foofoobar: the acpi temp will probably jump in those 9's and 0's, while cpu temperature will behave normal
[12:05] <foofoobar> faugusztin, kostkon also the output from "sensors" and the content from the /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp are not the same
[12:05] <arcsky> kostkon: its for every program,, like terminal as well
[12:05] <Senonu> CupOfCocoa, most likely using Samba or a similar package.
[12:05] <kostkon> foofoobar, yeah, better use the ones from lmsensors.
[12:06] <kostkon> foofoobar, what faugusztin says
[12:06] <CupOfCocoa> Senonu: Mhm ok, I know some basic unix stuff but never used samba. Any good tutorials you know of? Otherwise I'll google
[12:06] <foofoobar> okay, good
[12:06] <faugusztin> foofoobar: as i said, "thermal_zone0" is a value provided by ACPI interface of the motherboard, it could have been run through any insane logic inside BIOS
[12:06] <Senonu> CupOfCocoa, simply put, set up Samba on your ubuntu machine and do this on your mac: http://users.wfu.edu/yipcw/atg/apple/smb/
[12:06] <Senonu> CupOfCocoa, the standard Samba guide is pretty good. Sec.
[12:06] <faugusztin> foofoobar: maybe it is because they don't want to confuse consumers, so they provide only steps of 10's :)
[12:06] <foofoobar> yeah I'm going to rewrite my cpu temp script and take the data from sensors
[12:07] <kostkon> arcsky, http://askubuntu.com/a/10627/1651
[12:07] <foofoobar> faugusztin, they are driving me nuts with this strange behaviour :D
[12:07] <Senonu> CupOfCocoa, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaServerGuide here. This one works well.
[12:07] <foofoobar> going from 39°C to 50°C already stopped my heart..
[12:07] <foofoobar> I thought its going to burn :>
[12:08] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, I just got this strange behaviour again with the wlan disconnect.. I think I found something interesting in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/gKEbPibu
[12:08] <tilerendering> hm I have no idea where it stores the private key. it says: "Authentication method that can continue: publickey, password"
[12:08] <alanhoff> Good morning everyone :D
[12:09] <alanhoff> Does anyone here know how to remove Unity's top bar from the second screen/monitor? I'm running 13.04
[12:10] <arcsky> kostkon: ok gr8 and the minimize,maximize,close how can i fix that?
[12:11] <tilerendering> how do I find out if the user with which I start a ssh connection has a private key, and where it is stored ?
[12:12] <kostkon> arcsky, http://askubuntu.com/questions/174292/how-can-i-move-all-the-window-controls-to-the-right  ;)
[12:13] <arcsky> kostkon: yeah that have i done already! but i want them into the window instead of the top
[12:13] <alanhoff> No one? :(
[12:13] <arcsky> if i take a terminal and maximize it, you will see minimize,exit in top of the menu, to the lft
[12:14] <kostkon> arcsky, did you remove the global menu indicator? did you logout after that
[12:14] <arcsky> yeah sure
[12:14] <arcsky> file edit view.. are good now
[12:14] <arcsky> but not minimize, max, close
[12:15] <CupOfCocoa> Senonu: Thanks! figure it outr
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> arcsky: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[12:15] <kostkon> arcsky, that behaviour probably is hard coded in the unity-panel but i am not sure
[12:16] <arcsky> ubuntu 13.04
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> arcsky: do other applicatins do the same?
[12:16] <arcsky> yeah
[12:16] <Man> i need help
[12:16] <arcsky> i cant live with that :/
[12:16] <Man> i need help
[12:16] <Man> i need help
[12:17] <kostkon> !details | Man
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> Man: then ask...repeeatedly saying "I need help" achieves nothing...think about it
[12:17] <Senonu> Man: You won't find it like this.
[12:17] <Man> some friyend ask me "how to bag a bag from china town and bag it back to japanhow to bag a bag from china town and bag it back to japan" srroy for bad eglish
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> Man: just once....
[12:17] <Man> he say me
[12:17] <Man> come here
[12:17] <kostkon> ah a troll
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> Man: how is that ubuntu related?
[12:17] <Man> oh
[12:17] <Man> it was a troll
[12:18] <Man> anyways
[12:18] <Man> how to download ubuntu
[12:18] <Man> ?
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> Man: this is u ubuntu support only, your question is not ubuntu related
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> !download
[12:18] <Man> what can it do?
[12:18] <Man> !raring
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> Man: its an operating system
[12:18] <kostkon> Man, run programs and stuff
[12:18] <arcsky> kostkon: ActionParsnip its not possible?
[12:18] <Man> ohhhhhhhh
[12:19] <Man> is it possible to have 2 ubuntu
[12:19] <Man> ?
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> arcsky: not sure Ubuntu is quite geared towards Unity, have you tried gnome-shell (available in the repos)
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> Man: if you want, bit of a waste
[12:19] <kostkon> arcsky, probably not :/
[12:19] <arcsky> gnome shell = gnome 3?
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> arcsky: you are using Gnome3 when you use Unity
[12:19] <Man> ok whats a usage shell  for ubuntu?
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> arcsky: Unity doesnt replace gnome
[12:20] <Man> i hear alot of user talk about it
[12:21] <kostkon> arcsky, gnome3 with the shell called gnome-shell, like unity is a shell for gnome3
[12:21] <Man> ????????????????
[12:21] <Man> tell me
[12:22] <kostkon> Man, more info here http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop
[12:23] <Man> thanks
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> Man: look online for what Unity is
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> Man: Unity Shell
[12:23] <ese> hi, is there a way i can change the cursor icons?
[12:24] <kostkon> ese, a easy way to do it would be to install ubuntu-tweak for example, or unity-tweak if you are on 13.04
[12:25] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, any hints?
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: about what?
[12:25] <kostkon> ese, then install any of the cursors themes readily provided by those apps or download your own from gnome-look.org
[12:26] <ese> kostkon, i creeate my own icons i want to replace some of them
[12:26] <ese> like the cursor arrow and stuff
[12:26] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, I just got this strange behaviour again with the wlan disconnect.. I think I found something interesting in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/gKEbPibu
[12:27] <kostkon> ese, hmm, install ubuntu-tweak and see if you can do that
[12:27] <ese> ubuntu-tweak let me change premade whole ones, i want to include, replace some with my own custom made arrows and stuff
[12:27] <kostkon> ese, hmm
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: do you see lots of wireless networks on the same channel around you?
[12:28] <kostkon> ese, take one of those themes, extract the file, replace the ones you want with your own files, maybe edit the cursor conf file if needed and then install it. in other words, create your own cursor theme
[12:28] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, no. Acutally its a hotspot
[12:28] <foofoobar> a telekom hotspot
[12:28] <mehdi> ActionParsnip, i cant run command sudo tail -f /var/log/messege it returs no file o directory
[12:29] <Man> ok whats a usage shell  for ubuntu?
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> mehdi: use TAB to complete file names
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> Man: gnome-terminal using BASH
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> Man: quite standard in modern distros
[12:29] <mehdi> there is no such thing
[12:30] <ese> kostkon, https://www.dropbox.com/s/y3k3ux4lnfnqaky/bot_php.tar.gz?m
[12:30] <ese> sorry wrong one
[12:31] <Dwarf> How do i install lightdm without unity
[12:31] <kostkon> ese, ?? download a simple theme from gnome-look.org, extract the tar.gz file and edit it
[12:31] <ese> kostkon,  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hhhe8cqcers7pbe/HDlu6zppVo
[12:31] <Dwarf> If i install lightdm it wants to pull in unity with it
[12:31] <kostkon> ese, tthen recompress it as tar.gz and install it in ubuntu-tweak
[12:31] <ese> kostkon, i did, thats what i have
[12:31] <kostkon> ese, and? is it working
[12:32] <ese> no, is not :(
[12:32] <ese> i guess i dont know the names of the items i want to replace
[12:32] <Man> ok whats a usage shell  for ubuntu?
[12:32] <Man> ok whats a usage shell  for ubuntu?
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> Man: how do you mean?
[12:33] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, 8 on channel 11 (my network)
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: thats why then
[12:33] <kostkon> Dwarf, maybe install with  --no-install-recommends?
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: that will create loads of crosstalk
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: how many on channel 1?
[12:33] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, i'm in my corporate building here, all channels are heavy used
[12:34] <foofoobar> but it's okay, I can live with it
[12:34] <foofoobar> If its not my fault
[12:34] <ese> kostkon,  can you give me a hand https://www.dropbox.com/s/9dymzjfstaqwlvy/TROLL.tar.gz ?
[12:34] <foofoobar> I used a different notebook before where I did not have the disconnects
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: probably a different wifi chip
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> foofoobar: could try a newer ubuntu release, see if the newer kernel and drivers help
[12:35] <kostkon> ese, cursor themes is not my speciality :P
[12:35] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, ok
[12:35] <foofoobar> I think the newer version does not have that good support for other things so I need to stay
[12:35] <arcsky> pokerstas does anyone play there from their linux ubuntu?
[12:36] <arcsky> pokerstarsÃ
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> arcsky: have you checked the wineappd (i assume it is a windows app)
[12:37] <arcsky> ist better than wine?
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> arcsky: what do you mean?
[12:37] <arcsky> ah its wine
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> arcsky: then check the appdb for compatibility
[12:38] <kostkon> ese, keep trying. compare it with other themes and see if you forgot to include something or you need to alter a line in your rc file or something is missing etc. etc
[12:38] <alanhoff> Does anyone here know how to remove Unity's top bar from the second screen/monitor? I'm running 13.04
[12:39] <foofoobar> faugusztin, gartral: for the "fan starts spinning when I plugin in the power" I noticed that when the power adapter is plugged in and battery at 100%, the fan stops
[12:39] <ihre> arcsky: the official Pokerstars FAQ reports that it should run with wine > v0.9.1.
[12:39] <foofoobar> so maybe the process of loading the battery+using the notebook while loading produces heat which causes the fan to start spinning
[12:40] <kostkon> arcsky, also there is pokerth and it's in the repos
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> alanhoff: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1749696
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> alanhoff: http://askubuntu.com/questions/238003/in-unity-how-can-i-hide-the-global-menu-on-an-application-running-fullscreen-in
[12:41] <arcsky> whats pokerth?
[12:41] <kostkon> arcsky, http://pokerth.net/
[12:42] <CD-R> noob question: how can I change the access levels so I can delete files & folders through my ftp user account, rather than having to log in as root and do it through putty?
[12:42] <foofoobar> CD-R, you can change the owner of files with the command "chown" and file permissions with "chmod"
[12:42] <CD-R> I'm not sure what the levels would need to be..
[12:42] <makara> hi. If I try to upgrade pip with "sudo apt-get upgrade pip" and after doing that it remains v1.0 (when v1.3 is available), does that mean it's being held back by other packages, and that I need to do a general update?
[12:44] <mgedmin> makara, 'sudo apt-get upgrade' upgrades all packages and doesn't take any arguments
[12:44] <mgedmin> makara, also, ubuntu doesn't have a package called 'pip'
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> !info pip
[12:44] <mgedmin> makara, to upgrade pip you'd have to use sudo apt-get install python-pip
[12:45] <cgtdk> python-pip
[12:45] <cgtdk> I think
[12:45] <cgtdk> !info python-pip
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> !find pip
[12:45] <makara> i see
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> makara: what is the output of:  apt-cache policy pip
[12:46] <mgedmin> (BTW apt-get upgrade doesn't upgrade packages that would cause other packages to be removed, or new packages to be installed; this may be why you're not getting a new python-pip from apt-get upgrade)
[12:47] <mehdi> ActionParsnip, uck looking for iso but i want it to use my own system as core
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> mehdi: not sure there mate, sorry
[12:47] <makara> i see, its an old distro
[12:47] <makara> precise
[12:47] <chang-yeop> rㄱ
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> makara: its not old, its LTS and supported til April 2017
[12:47] <makara> what number's that?
[12:48] <kostkon> makara, 12.04
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> makara: so where do you get old from, when it is supported
[12:48] <makara> well it won't upgrade pip, and I need "pip show"
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> makara: you didn't give the output of the command I gave
[12:48] <makara> what good is it if all the software stays old
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> makara: you are on the LTS, which is about solidarity, so versions may be behind.
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> makara: if the software works and there are no serious reasons to upgrade a package, it won't be
[12:49] <makara> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/zPdBnZry
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> !rootirc | Guest16313
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> makara: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=python-pip
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> makara: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:garcia-josmon/testing; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install python-pip
[12:51] <mgedmin> makara, if you use virtualenvs (and I strongly recommend you do so), you don't need a recent /usr/bin/pip
[12:52] <mgedmin> each virtualenv will get its own pip
[12:52] <mgedmin> pip installing things into the system Python leads to pain
[12:52] <makara> virtualenv is beyond me for now
[12:52] <hilapavel> abcdef1985
[12:53] <makara> but I guess its good policy. Hold everything back and just add ppa's for stuff you need up2date
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> makara: well, PPAs are 3rd party packages made by some guy, not official packages
[12:53] <cgtdk> makara: I thought it was complicated for a long time too, but it's actually quite simple when you understand it. There are many good tutorials on virtualenv.
[12:53] <makara> always?
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> makara: if you want latest stuff use the newest releases, if you want a solid OS with long support stick to the LTS
[12:53] <altan> hello
[12:53] <makara> cgtdk, ok, I'll check it out some time. Right now I'm working on company machines, so...
[12:54] <makara> ActionParsnip, problem is updating everything has 1000x more chance of breaking something
[12:55] <cgtdk> makara: Install it manually if you need it that much.
[12:55] <makara> I don't know what happens at Canonical, but I've always felt they have the attitude that the community is for testing. And why not.
[12:55] <makara> i'm going to
[12:55] <makara> once I finish defending my views
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> makara: exactly and thats why the LTS releases stay on 'old' versions but they work fine. If there is a security issue in a package and a new version fixes it then that will be pushed but packages in ANY ubuntu are not updated just because newer version is out
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> makara: its not a rolling release
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> makara: remember what the target audience of Ubuntu is, and it's aim
[12:56] <xtriz> what is the default file permission on /home/user directory ? by mistake i changed it to 755
[12:56] <makara> remind what is the target audience?
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> xtriz: 755 here on my user's home folder
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> makara: new users to Linux, making it stable and usable for the average user
[12:57] <xtriz> ActionParsnip, so everything is fine
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> xtriz: as far as I can tell yes. I suggest you don't start playing with stuff like that (unless you have a backup ;))
[12:59] <danielubuntu> always showing "System program problem detected" what to do?
[13:01] <duffduff> is there a command/quick way to list all the currently open bugs for a given package and release?
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> duffduff: you can use launchpad.net
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> danielubuntu: report the issues and keep updated
[13:03] <xtriz> ActionParsnip, ok i will take care from now onwards, i was just changing the file permission of folder and by mistake i changed permissions of my home directory
[13:05] <duffduff> ActionParsnip: Thanks.. :)
[13:05] <danielubuntu> wow now Ubuntu started working like Windows and not even telling me what is the problem before Reporting :/
[13:07] <Dwarf> What package contains the standard icons used for ~/.face?
[13:07] <NeoKarna> Hi, I am trying to install gentoo on Ubuntu, but when I start to download a stage3 archive from the internet I get an error while downloading from Ubuntu. It says "System problem detected" . When I checked the details, it says that someone is trying to get focus of your mouse and the installation is abortef. Can anyone help me with this ?
[13:08] <subby1> installed ubuntu on a hdd partiton of 698 gb.....is it too much more.... if yes can i shrink it???
[13:08] <Dwarf> NeoKarna: Gentoo and ubuntu are two different distros...
[13:09] <wilee-nilee> NeoKarna, gentoo is a whole different OS that makes no sense.
[13:09] <NeoKarna> Dwarf, yeah I know that but the problem is with Ubuntu
[13:09] <Dwarf> Of course
[13:09] <Dwarf> So, you want to install gentoo?
[13:09] <Dwarf> Are you REALLY sure?
[13:09] <Dwarf> If you can't handle ubuntu then gentoo is not for you.
[13:10] <NeoKarna> Dwarf, I've installed arch on VirtualBox without any problem
[13:10] <vlt> subby1: Depends on your needs. If you want to shrink you have to shrink the fs first, then the block device.
[13:10] <axtheb> NeoKarna: So want to download stage3 file and your ubuntu is freaking out while you download?
[13:10] <NeoKarna> axtheb,  yeah
[13:10] <vlt> subby1: And I think for file system shrinking you have to unmount it. So, you have to do it from another root fs (like live CD or USB).
[13:10] <dariusc93> gentoo  isnt for anyone who cant  handle ubuntu
[13:10] <axtheb> Repeatedly? Even after reboot?
[13:10] <giusy> ciao
[13:10] <subby1> vlt: wats the fs... i m sory bt i m new to ubuntu and i seriously dont know anything abt it
[13:10] <giusy> !list
[13:11] <NeoKarna> axisys, I booted from livecd, its before I start installing
[13:11] <NeoKarna> dariusc93, it depends on you
[13:11] <axtheb> NeoKarna: I dont understand your answer to me
[13:11] <dariusc93> well i do love setting everyything up and compiling  drivers :)
[13:12] <axtheb> NeoKarna: So its livecd ubuntu? Probably you are running out of memory somewhere.
[13:12] <NeoKarna> axtheb, the step in which I am getting problem is actually before I install gentoo.
[13:12] <Tsaknorris> has anybody found solution to this annoying problem with flash videos. Let's say you are watching youtube and you want to go use keyboard to go another tab. How you do it without mouse? That flash video takes all the focus. I have to press first mouse somewhere on that page before i can ctrl + pgDwn.
[13:13] <axtheb> NeoKarna: I get it. You are having problem downloading file, not install gentoo.
[13:13] <NeoKarna> axtheb, I am using livecd to install gentoo. I've Ubuntu 12.04 LTS aleardy installed. I am using gentoo minimal iso in virtualbox
[13:13] <NeoKarna> dariusc93,  ;)
[13:15] <axtheb> Ah. So you are in working ubuntu install. You then run virtualbox with gentoo livecd, try installing it and it fails
[13:15] <NeoKarna> axtheb,  no you get it
[13:15] <NeoKarna> axtheb,  now you get it
[13:15] <arcsky> anyone know if its possible to connect to my jobs Microsoft Lync  chat?
[13:15] <arcsky> from ubuntu
[13:16] <NeoKarna> axtheb,  actually Ubuntu thinks that its some kind of hacking attempt
[13:16] <NeoKarna> axtheb,  and it happens only with Gentoo. Arch install was went fine.
[13:17] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, then it's not ubuntu thinking it's some kind of hacking attempt.. that just doesn't make sense
[13:17] <NeoKarna> axtheb,  you mean Ubuntu reboot or gentoo reboot ?
[13:18] <axtheb> NeoKarna: ubuntu reboot
[13:18] <axtheb> arcsky: google "microsoft lync ubuntu"
[13:18] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  it happens when I start gento
[13:19] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, then you're virtual image is corrupted somehow
[13:19] <wheatthin> your*
[13:20] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  how can that be possible ? Its saying that your mouse focus is switching too much which can be a hacking attempt
[13:21] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, lol what kind of extra security software do you have installed? cause I've NEVER ever ran into that issue, and I'm in and out of my vm's practically all day
[13:21] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  I've installed privoxy
[13:23] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, FYI privoxy is not a security feature, it's an obscurity app, cause of no encryption, which still won't cause that problem
[13:23] <chang-yeop> dd
[13:24] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  then I've got nothing.
[13:24] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, Again, I'm thinking it's a corrupted image, and/or gentoo is broken.
[13:25] <wheatthin> either way, this isn't a gentoo help channel
[13:25] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  maybe. I am asking the same question on #gentoo
[13:26] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  and I don't know whether the problem is with Gentoo or Ubuntu
[13:26] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, before asking, have you checked your installation images for corruption? or is this after a successful installation?
[13:28] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, you can boot with a livedvd image, and try running a fsck to the gentoo install drive, to see if it's broken in that way. Also, if it's after a successful install, did you install os additions or vmware tools?
[13:29] <Man> HI
[13:29] <Man> I NEED HELP
[13:29] <Man> FAST
[13:29] <FloodBot1> Man: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:29] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, can also try md5 checksum on the iso medium
[13:29] <Man> I NEED HELP
[13:29] <Man> I NEED HELP
[13:29] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  when I installed arch I also installed guest additions
[13:29] <wheatthin> !help | man
[13:29] <Man> ok
[13:29] <Man> so
[13:29] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  let me try that fsck command
[13:29] <Man> when
[13:29] <Man> when
[13:29] <Man> when
[13:29] <FloodBot1> Man: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:29] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, is this the same virtual hardware? Or a completely different virtual machine?
[13:30] <Man> my mirc biggg bug
[13:30] <wheatthin> Man, Mirc is a microsoft app... sorry
[13:30] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  the virtual hardware is same. I think the only difference is video memory. I gave more of it to arch
[13:31] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, have you tried changing vm specific os setting?
[13:31] <blz> Hello, I'm trying to export 4 distinct folders via nfs (each with it's own mountpoint, i.e.:  server:/export/folder_name), but all four of these mountpoints appear to point to the same directory.  Here is my fstab file with the NFS filesystem at the bottom, followed by my /etc/exports:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6217970/  && http://paste.ubuntu.com/6217973/
[13:31] <blz> what am I doing wrong?
[13:31] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  how do I do that ?
[13:32] <bughinson> hi
[13:32] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, in vmware it's near the description and name of your vm in the general settings tab
[13:33] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, I'm not sure if this is network related
[13:33] <foofoobar> Have a look here: http://pastebin.com/gUFtin8B
[13:34] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  what do I change.
[13:35] <parduse> how can i run motion as an instance of running on localserv instead  of running it via ssh-remote(cos when i close the consele motion also closes)
[13:35] <foofoobar> Strange messages from the wireless driver?
[13:35] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, the OS type.. it has several "linux" types.. just choose a different one
[13:36] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  would that change anything ?
[13:36] <Han> Can anyone explain how I set up freerdp with lightdm in raring? The package is installeed by default but I can't find any documentation on the matter. (google, /usr/share/doc, man)
[13:36] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, OS specific vmware-tools will change virtual hardware to compliant ones
[13:37] <wheatthin> at least the drivers to the virtual hardware
[13:37] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  let me try that
[13:38] <ArielX_> please see and help resolve this issue thanks ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6217983/
[13:39] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  I think that might work . Because I am not getting the mouse cursor now which I was getting while installing gentoo.
[13:39] <mgedmin> ArielX_, feel free to remove the 'cdrom' entries from your /etc/apt/sources.list (I believe the Software Sources GUI tool can do that too)
[13:39] <mgedmin> as for the two PPAs, I suggest you remove them too
[13:39] <mgedmin> they apparently do not have any packages for raring
[13:39] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  I chose arch. I would change that after I install gentoo. Thanks a lot !
[13:41] <ArielX_> mgedmin ... where are the PPAs to remove. please check and inform me..  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6218002/    thanks
[13:41] <wheatthin> If that was the case, I'd uninstall vmware-tools, choose the OS type, and then proceed with installing gentoo or whatever
[13:42] <mgedmin> ArielX_, in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/name-of-ppa-distro.list; or just use Software Sources and uncheck the appropriate checkboxes
[13:45] <blz> Hello, I'm trying to export 4 distinct folders via nfs (each with it's own mountpoint, i.e.:  server:/export/folder_name), but all four of these mountpoints appear to point to the same directory.  Here is my fstab file with the NFS filesystem at the bottom, followed by my /etc/exports:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6217970/  && http://paste.ubuntu.com/6217973/   Does anybody  know what's wrong with my setup?
[13:46] <wheatthin> blz that's because you are pointing them to the same folder
[13:47] <wheatthin> create a sub folder with the appropriate names and make the changes in your config
[13:48] <blz> wheatthin, I don't follow... they are in separate folders
[13:48] <blz> /home/louist/* and /export/*, respectively
[13:49] <blz> wheatthin, could you elaborate?
[13:50] <Yowl> What command instead of fdisk should I use for GPT disks?
[13:50] <Yowl> What command instead of fdisk should I use for GPT disks?
[13:50] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  why would you uninstall vmware-tools when solution you suggested just works
[13:51] <Yowl> What command instead of fdisk should I use for GPT disks?
[13:52] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, cause it's only working after you had selected previously installed specific vmware-tools.
[13:53] <wheatthin> uninstalling the vmware-tools until you get the os you want installed first, and then install the vmware-tools, cause it needs to build the tools based on the kernel
[13:54] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  I just changed the OS
[13:54] <NeoKarna> Yowl, I've used gdisk
[13:54] <Marco-123> hi all. DNS question, i think (local on Ubuntu). On my router, I've got a server which I've given a static ip. Works. On another client machine (Ubuntu 12), I'd like to use a "name" instead of the ip. my understand is that this is part of what DNS servers do. i also assumed that I could make an "entry" on my client machine (locally) to tell the same computer to resolve "name" to the IP. I've googled but haven't had any success bec
[13:54] <Marco-123> any ideas?
[13:54] <Marco-123> even with the terminology
[13:54] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  its nice and requires lesser steps
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> Marco-123: you can add a manual entry into DNS to make the name resolve as you desire
[13:56] <Marco-123> ActionParsnip: great! is there a default "DNS server" with Ubuntu 12? I can google how to add an entry to that.
[13:56] <Marco-123> also would that be called a "DNS entry"?
[13:56] <ganeshran> how can I check if unicode is enabled in ubuntu
[13:57] <loa> ganeshran, you try command locale
[13:57] <Yowl> NeoKarna: Is gdisk installed by default? What command with gdisk would I use instead of fdisk to get a list of my current partitions?
[13:57] <wheatthin> blz have you sync'd the exportfs/
[13:58] <Guest62474> kk, im now known as Guest62474
[13:58] <ganeshran> loa: this is the output http://pastie.org/8392433. It doesnt say if unicode is enabled
[13:58] <blz> wheatthin, I'm not sure.  I restarted nfs-kernel-server and idmapd
[13:59] <blz> wheatthin, I basically followed the instructions under the "NFS4 without kerberos" heading here:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto
[13:59] <loa> ganeshran, for example i have such output http://pastie.org/8392438
[13:59] <ganeshran> loa: I guess unicode is not enabled then. Any idea how to enable
[14:00] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  In Ubuntu, no but you can apt-get install it.  For a list of current partitions just type gdisk hit enter and type p which would print the current partitions.
[14:00] <loa> ganeshran, try google, something like "change locale in ubuntu"
[14:00] <mrrcp> how do i get irssi to beep?
[14:00] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  you can see the man page here  http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/gdisk.html
[14:00] <mrrcp> with ubuntu
[14:00] <wheatthin> blz, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo     scroll down it says something about aftet setting up /etc/exports, export the shares:    sudo exportfs -ra
[14:01] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  there's also cgdisk. I don't know much about it. But you can learn more here http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/cgdisk.html
[14:02] <blz> wheatthin, I'm still having the same problem...
[14:03] <loa> hello, i want to learn more about "cgroup"
[14:03] <blz> wheatthin, I've restarted nfs-kernel-server, portmap and idmapd
[14:03] <wheatthin> and ran   sudo exportfs -ra    ?
[14:03] <blz> yes
[14:03] <blz> wheatthin, ^
[14:04] <blz> wheatthin, I also unmounted and remounted the shares just to be sure
[14:05] <wheatthin> blz did you remount the shares on the guest computer too?
[14:05] <Marco-123> thank you! gtg
[14:05] <blz> wheatthin, that's what I was referring to, but you bring up a good point -- I should perhaps try to remount them on the server
[14:06] <Yowl> NeoKarna: Nothing about gdisk is working, when I type gdisk it asks me to type device file name. if I enter p, it says "Problem opening p for reading! Error is 2.  The specified file does not exist!
[14:06] <gordonjcp> Yowl: what are you trying to do?
[14:07] <Yowl> gordonjcp: Trying to get a list of my partitions with full information. Since I am using GPT, fdisk information is lacking
[14:07] <mathfreak> Hey everyone. What exactly does a lazy unmount do? What's it mean to "Detach the filesystem from the filesystem hirearchy now, and cleanup all references to the filesystem as soon as it is not busy anymore"?
[14:07] <mehdi> ActionParsnip, what ere the application like uck?
[14:08] <gordonjcp> Yowl: tried gparted?
[14:08] <Yowl> gordonjcp: Yeah I could load up gparted, but that's a hassle to deal with. I want the information nicely listed in a terminal window
[14:09] <blz> wheatthin, still no-go
[14:09] <gordonjcp> Yowl: okay, so what exactly are you doing with gdisk?
[14:09] <Yowl> gordonjcp: Nothing, since nothing I try works, you want to know what I've tried?
[14:10] <gordonjcp> Yowl: just paste in the exact command line you tried, verbatim
[14:10] <wheatthin> blz, nfs ports enabled in any firewalls?
[14:10] <blz> wheatthin, huh? I can connect to the share, so I don't see how this could be a firewall problem
[14:11] <wheatthin> blz, just getting clarity.. chill
[14:11] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  let me check that
[14:11] <blz> wheatthin, I'm perfectly calm =)
[14:11] <blz> wheatthin, sorry if that came off as irate
[14:11] <wheatthin> blz, So if you're connecting the share, it just all seems to be the same share tho?
[14:12] <gordonjcp> Yowl: I can't really hang about and wait
[14:12] <gordonjcp> Yowl: have you tried something like "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda" ?
[14:12] <Yowl> gordonjcp:   "gdisk", then p at "type file device name"  "gdisk /?" "sudo GNU Parted -l"  "gdisk man"
[14:13] <blz> wheatthin, more or less.  Basically if I connect to any of the shares, I end up seeing the contents of ~/tv
[14:13] <blz> wheatthin, so /export/music points to ~/tv as does /export/pictures and /export/movies
[14:13] <blz> wheatthin, and /export/tv as well, naturally
[14:14] <Yowl> gordonjcp: OK that worked, but how do I skip "dev/sda, and have it list EVERYTHING?
[14:14] <wheatthin> blz, then the server config is messed up somehow.
[14:15] <blz> So it would appear =)
[14:15] <blz> Are there any other config files I should be looking at other than /etc/fstab and /etc/export ?
[14:15] <wheatthin> blz, so have you tried unmounting the shares on the guest, and manually mounting individual shares?
[14:16] <blz> wheatthin, manually mounting the individual shares on the client?  Yes, that's what I've been doing all along with `mount ip:/export/somefolder`
[14:16] <Yowl> gordonjcp: OK that worked, but how do I skip "dev/sda, and have it list EVERYTHING?
[14:16] <wheatthin>  + deseired mountpoint in that command?
[14:17] <blz> wheatthin, yes, sorry
[14:17] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  its easy. Just type "sudo gdisk /dev/sda" where /dev/sda is your main partition(it includes all other partitions). Ubuntu 12.04 uses MBR, so be  sure about what you are doing as it can be destructive. You can also try "sudo gdisk /dev/sda1" where /dev/sda1 is your partition.  For a making a new partition type n . For writing changes type w. Hope that helps
[14:17] <blz> wheatthin, also, `showmount -e ip` shows all the expected mountpoints for the server
[14:17] <wheatthin> blz, sorry, can I see?
[14:17] <blz> wheatthin, sure thing
[14:18] <blz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6218176/
[14:18] <blz> wheatthin, ^
[14:18] <Yowl> NeoKarna: That command doesn't work
[14:19] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  what does it say ?
[14:19] <BlessJah> I'm trying to /t
[14:20] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  I just tried that on my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and it works like charm
[14:21] <Yowl> It puts me in a command menu, difficult to explain without a screenshot.  Anyway if I use "/dev/sda" it will only tell me about that one HDD Neo
[14:23] <Yowl> NeoKarna:
[14:24] <NeoKarna> Yeah ?
[14:24] <blz> wheatthin, I'm actually going to head out, so I'll give this another crack later.  Thanks for your help, though
[14:24] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  I think this would make things clear http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/walkthrough.html
[14:24] <wheatthin> alrighty man.. take care... hope you figure this out.
[14:25] <LucidGuy> I've installed a sata drive into a new PC with Ubuntu 10.04.4.  The system wont boot properly because I believe the kernel in that version did not support the new sata crontroller.  How difficult would it be to somehow using a newer ubuntu live cd and upgrading the kernel on the drive?
[14:26] <Yowl> NeoKarna: What makes this clear is that this is not a good command for getting a list of all your partitions on different drives.  So what would be good for that?
[14:26] <wheatthin> LucidGuy, 10.0.4 isn't support anymore I don't believe.... you'll have to upgrade to a newer version of ubuntu
[14:26] <Yowl> No it isnt
[14:26] <zykotic10> Yowl: have you tried "sudo parted -l" yet?
[14:26] <LucidGuy> wheatthin, Unfortunately I don't have that option.. if I did I would.
[14:26] <wheatthin> LucidGuy, why not that option?
[14:27] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  just use /dev/sda and that would list all the partitions
[14:27] <Yowl> zykotic10: Thanks! I thought i had tried that, but maybe I used gparted or something, anyway, it worked!
[14:27] <LucidGuy> wheatthin, because this environment runs on 10.04.  Eventually yes we will be upgrading, but developers are still not happy with 12.04.
[14:27] <mitrax> hello everyone, I'd disabled wireless by unclicking "enable wireless" on the panel. when I restarted computer "enable wireless" remains greyed, and I cannot click and enable it again
[14:28] <Yowl> NeoKarna: It doesn't
[14:28] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  just use "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda"
[14:28] <flam_> this is a stupid question but is there a way for me to find out my pppoe username and password which i've forgotten. i've used pppoeconf to autimically connect with them so might they be saved on my machine somewhere?
[14:28] <flam_> *automatically
[14:28] <wheatthin> LucidGuy, In that case, you might wanna look for a ppa of a newer kernel
[14:28] <Yowl> NeoKarna: It seems "sudo parted -l" is better
[14:29] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  would parted make GPT partition tables ?
[14:29] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  gdisk is specific to GPT only
[14:30] <Yowl> NeoKarna: I don't know what you mean by "make" but for listing, that command works nicely
[14:30] <wheatthin> LucidGuy, What kernel version is your machine on now?
[14:31] <LucidGuy> wheatthin, well I can't boot this system, so not exactly sure.
[14:31] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  I mean would parted create GPT partition tables. Or would it work with GPT ?
[14:31] <wheatthin> LucidGuy, well you just gotta boot from a livecd and chroot into your environment
[14:32] <Yowl> NeoKarna: I apologize, But I am not understanding you
[14:32] <Wiz_KeeD> easiest way to install etherpad on ubuntu 12.04?
[14:32] <Wiz_KeeD> Already tried google, wanted to know if there's any other way
[14:32] <mitrax> hello everyone, I'd disabled wireless by unclicking "enable wireless" on the panel. when I restarted computer "enable wireless" remains greyed, and I cannot click and enable it again
[14:33] <gordonjcp> Yowl: you don'ty
[14:33] <gordonjcp> Yowl: it works on a drive-by-drive basis
[14:33] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  I mean would parted create GPT (GUID Partition Table). You can read a bit more here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Partitioning#Using_GPT_-_Modern_Method
[14:34] <wheatthin> LucidGuy, this livecd has to be an updated one, to be more sure it recognizes your harware.
[14:34] <LucidGuy> wheatthin, trying to bootup with Ubuntu 12.04 livecd
[14:35] <Yowl> NeoKarna: I don't know if parted would be able to set up GPT or not, I know gparted can. Why are you asking me? Don't you know more then me about it?
[14:35] <mrrcp> ok... why isnt my beep working in terminal?
[14:35] <mrrcp> i tyle echo '\a'  and nothing
[14:36] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  no ! I only know that you can use gdisk to create GPT. Because I've used it.
[14:36] <wheatthin> Yowl, it's the same app, just parted is the main part
[14:36] <mrrcp> i tyle echo -e '\a'  and nothing
[14:36] <Caelum> I'm only getting like 100KB/s from archive.ubuntu.com, is that normal?
[14:36] <Caelum> mrrcp: does sound work
[14:36] <mrrcp> yes
[14:36] <mrrcp> sound works
[14:36] <mrrcp> just not beeps
[14:36] <mrrcp> in term
[14:36] <FloodBot1> mrrcp: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:36] <Yowl> NeoKarna: Therere you go, wheathin answered your question
[14:36] <NeoKarna> Yowl,  :)
[14:36] <Caelum> mrrcp: check term settings, check in console too
[14:37] <NeoKarna> thanks wheatthin
[14:37] <mrrcp> how so
[14:37] <wheatthin> np NeoKarna
[14:38] <Caelum> mrrcp: most terms have a configuration setting to disable beeps
[14:38] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  the problem with VirtualBox seems to persist.
[14:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Caelum: Are you using the main Ubuntu server?
[14:39] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, just try a new virtual machine :P
[14:39] <Caelum> SonikkuAmerica: yeah
[14:39] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  I am thinking of it. That way I am going to install arch for the third time and trying gentoo for I think 5th time :p
[14:40] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  it would be fun
[14:40] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, I've installed and reinstalled Gentoo so many times... although it was very educational, it wasn't more than that :P
[14:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Caelum: Have you tried the server for your home country (if one exists)?
[14:41] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  everytime I install it I do something new. That's fun :P
[14:41] <carl_test> what did u got this time?
[14:45] <xtriz> what is the difference between plymouth packaged and plymouth-x11 ?
[14:45] <NeoKarna> carl_test,  the first time I installed Arch , I screwed everything as I wasn't able to get Xfce running. Second time, I installed gnome and then installed Xfce and now it runs fine. I love Xfce. I had never tried it before. It was like making something new.
[14:46] <xtriz> NeoKarna, may be wrong channel ?
[14:46] <xtriz> this is #ubuntu ubuntu support channel.
[14:46] <SonikkuAmerica> !ot
[14:46] <njsg> xtriz: read backlog
[14:46] <NeoKarna> xtriz,  I am talking about installing Arch in Ubuntu.  Thanks for the tip though :)
[14:47] <xtriz> NeoKarna, installing Arch in Ubuntu ?
[14:47] <xtriz> njsg, ok reading it
[14:47] <NeoKarna> xtriz,  VM
[14:47] <njsg> NeoKarna: you say several distros give the same issue? it's highly likely virtualbox has some issue
[14:48] <wheatthin> no, he says everything else works..
[14:48] <NeoKarna> njsg,  I think its problem with VirtualBox, maybe I would intall it again, this time without guest addons
[14:48] <njsg> NeoKarna: what was the issue again? just random issues or anything consistent?
[14:49] <wheatthin> njsg instead of creating a new virtualbox vm, he tried installing gentoo on a previous arch install, which had guest additions installed
[14:49] <NeoKarna> njsg,  Ubuntu was consistently aborting installation of gentoo. I think that might also be related to VirtualBox as wheatthin  suggested
[14:50] <xtriz> NeoKarna, you mentioned everything works fine, then where is the issue :)
[14:50] <njsg> NeoKarna: wait, is ubuntu the host, gentoo the guest?
[14:50] <njsg> how did ubuntu abort the install?
[14:50] <xtriz> njsg, tried finding the backlog but can't
[14:51] <NeoKarna> njsg,  it said that someone is trying to draw the mouse focus and it can be hacking attempt.
[14:51] <piscie> quit
[14:51] <mitrax> hello, I managed to enable wireless networks on the network menu (by entering bios), but still no network appears as available
[14:51] <njsg> what!? what kind of stupidity is that? well, find whatever is doing that and disable it
[14:51] <Yowl> If I wanted to do a Full Disk Encryption with LUKS, would I need a seconddrive? I think I was told earlier that encrypting requires feeding the unecrypted files into the encrypted space one after another. So doesn't that mean I need a second unencrypted drive to work from?
[14:51] <njsg> NeoKarna: also, since when do you need a mouse to install gentoo? :-D
[14:52] <njsg> Yowl: IIRC the installer can set up disk encryption when you install. transferring an existing install may be a problem, though
[14:52] <wheatthin> njsg we did, which was related to virtualbox os specific setting, as it installed a specific os additions
[14:52] <NeoKarna> xtriz,  VirtualBox integrated mouse with it(yeah I can see mouse cursor(a pipe like) in terminal)
[14:52] <wheatthin> once that was set, the virtualbox stopped complaining
[14:53] <isasha> Hai
[14:53] <isasha> Just wondering, is this HDD safe to use? http://pastebin.com/ATspiZ4M
[14:53] <wheatthin> njsg but he wanted to install gentoo ontop of arch
[14:53] <Yowl> njsg But if I have other files that I want to move over to the new install, those need to be fed into the encrypted space from unencrypted space, right?
[14:53] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  no Gentoo on top of Ubuntu
[14:54] <mitrax> hello, is there noone to help?
[14:54] <isasha> Basically I would like to use it for bulk storage on my seedbox at home, nothing too important but it would be a slight shame to loose this data. I'm mostly concerned about line 65
[14:54] <wheatthin> well i mean on the same vm as arch
[14:54] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  now you got that right :P
[14:55] <Yowl> mitrax: I don't really know much about it, but clearly you have internet connection, so its just a matter of it showing? Well with mine, network connection is useless, even if I cut it off, it still continues.
[14:55] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  I created diferent VM for Arch and different one for Gentoo :P
[14:56] <Guest91544> hi there, how can I use sudo rm -rf / on ubuntu 12.04
[14:56] <Guest91544> ??
[14:56] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  on VirtualBox
[14:56] <Guest91544> it is returning that message:
[14:56] <Guest91544> rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/'
[14:56] <wheatthin> NeoKarna, vm is a general reference to virtual machine
[14:57] <isasha> Guest91544, do you want to delete your entire hard drive?
[14:57] <Guest91544> yes it is
[14:57] <Yowl> isasha: Please don't treat this as any kind of authority, but don't sweat it too much
[14:57] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  if mean VirtualBox, then sorry I am not used to using VM
[14:57] <mitrax> thanks, got it working just now..Yowl, the problem was first that "enable wireless" was greyed, so I wasn't able to re-enable wireless. then I managed it via bios.
[14:57] <isasha> Yowl, regarding the hard drive?
[14:57] <Guest91544> but I dont have the bootdisk junt in order to destroy the partitions
[14:57] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  if you *
[14:57] <isasha> *my hard drive :P ?
[14:58] <mitrax> after that still no network showed after a few restarts. only after I shut down and restarted, it worked now
[14:58] <Guest91544> So I want just to do a rm -rf on / isasha
[14:58] <Guest91544> how can I do that?
[14:58] <mitrax> Yowl, thank you for your information!
[14:58] <faugusztin> Guest91544:  --no-preserve-root
[14:58] <NeoKarna> wheatthin,  anyway thanks for the help.
[14:58] <wheatthin> np
[14:59] <Yowl> isasha: Product like that have a certain level of paranoia for using it outside of its design parameters, And since the SMART check is its vaulted HDD stability assurance, its failure would give dire warnings. But it doesn't NECESSARILY (but might) mean imminent drive failure
[14:59] <Guest91544> how can I use --no-preserve-root faugusztin, like as sudo rm -rf  / --no-preserve-root???
[14:59] <Guest91544> after the command?
[14:59] <isasha> Yowl, I must add that I found this hdd at the junkyard
[14:59] <isasha> (as all my other hard drives :D)
[15:00] <faugusztin> Guest91544: rm -rf --no-preserve-root / , but i take no responsibility for your criminal behavior :)
[15:00] <Dwarf> What package provides the window for  the additional drivers screen?
[15:00] <Yowl> isasha: In other words, less dire then text would indicate, but not something to completely ignore. Is the drive acting noisy when you access data off it? Is it struggling to spin up? Usually what fails on these HDD first are the motors
[15:00] <Dwarf> Or rather, the program
[15:01] <isasha> Yowl, lemme mount it and see
[15:01] <Guest91544> its running good
[15:01] <faugusztin> Guest91544: explanation of why it shows that message is in bug report : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/+bug/174283
[15:01] <Guest91544> thanx faugusztin
[15:02] <Guest91544> see you guys
[15:02] <ssj5subhashish> I want to remove ubuntu frm my computer......I hv it with a win 7 dual boot......will it affect my boot??? And  how culdi get rid of ubuntu??
[15:03] <Dwarf> ssj5subhashish: Install the windows bootloader and remove the ubuntu partition
[15:03] <isasha> Yowl, no issues with noise... I guess I'll use it :)
[15:03] <Yowl> isasha: And no unusual wait time for the drive to spin up, to start, right?
[15:04] <isasha> Nop
[15:04] <Yowl> isasha: then yeah, use it probably, odds are its fine, but you may wish to back up important data especially with it
[15:05] <isasha> Yowl, I doubt it will be an issue compared to the other 160gb IDE drives in the seedbox ;)
[15:05] <Yowl> isasha: Though it may have damaged portions, you might wish to do a drive scan. And keep in mind that it might not last as long
[15:05] <Donkersgoed> hi all, I'm having a kernel panic when using ipvs on the latest kernel (3.8.0-19). #ubuntu-bugs is not responding, does anyone know where to get help?
[15:06] <ssj5subhashish> Dwarf: with windows boot loader you mean the windows 7 cd that they give or is there any other program
[15:06] <Yowl> isasha: I think things like smart check is a firmware thing, so you might try finding its firmware online, if you can, and updating/replacing it
[15:07] <Yowl> might simply be corrupted data
[15:07] <Dwarf> ssj5subhashish: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1873884
[15:11] <ScottUbuntu> I have a Corsair M90 mouse and the scroll wheel just highlights text and the right click doesn't work. I've had a good Google but no luck. Can anyone help with this?
[15:13] <Yowl> ScottUbuntu: What makes you think it is ubuntus fault instead of simple hardware failure?
[15:13] <ScottUbuntu> It works in Windows :)
[15:13] <Rory> ScottUbuntu: Does it work on another computer, or another OS on the same computer?
[15:13] <Rory> OK
[15:13] <ScottUbuntu> Yes & Yes :)
[15:14] <Yowl> Important information to share off the bat:p
[15:14] <ScottUbuntu> My Mrs has the same mouse, tried it on here too and it does the same :(
[15:14] <ScottUbuntu> All I could find is this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2012255
[15:14] <Lynx_> Hi all! I have 12.04 but need gcc (or rather g++) 4.7. I did "apt-get install gcc-4.7" and it finished without errors, but I can't find gcc-4.7 anywhere. Where does it go? It's not in /usr/bin where 4.6 is.
[15:16] <Crazyzurfer> hi guys, apache is giving me this errors when trying to access virtual server "[core:error] [pid 14146] (13)Permission denied: [client 127.0.0.1:45774] AH00035: access to / denied (filesystem path '/media/joako/3846ADEC46ADAAD8/Users') because search permissions are missing on a component of the path", already tried to change permissions to a+rx to all the folders where the files are, the error just moved to the folder Users (it was in the numeric
[15:16] <Crazyzurfer> folder before)
[15:16] <Rory> Lynx_: What is the output of "gcc -v"
[15:16] <Tylertwo> Lynx_, "locate gcc-4.7"
[15:16] <classicchins> hmm
[15:17] <Lynx_> Rory: It's still 4.6, /usr/bin/gcc is a link to /usr/bin/gcc-4.6
[15:17] <Lynx_> Tylertwo: I need to update locate's database first, right?
[15:17] <ikonia> classicchins: it's apache internal permissions, not file system permissions
[15:17] <Rory> Lynx_: If you did apt-get install gcc-4.7 it will be /usr/bin/gcc-4.7
[15:18] <Tylertwo> Lynx_, yeah, it auto-updates daily by default
[15:18] <Rory> Lynx_: I just tried it
[15:18] <ikonia> Crazyzurfer: the error will be apache internal permissions I suspect
[15:19] <Tylertwo> Lynx_, so "maybe". i'd just try the command and see if there's results
[15:19] <Lynx_> Rory: But there is not /usr/bin/gcc-4.7 in my case
[15:19] <Lynx_> Tylertwo: I updated and searched, it finds docs and other stuff for gcc-4.7-base but not the actual gcc-4.7
[15:20] <Lynx_> apt-get tells me "gcc-4.7-base is already the newest version." I this the right package?
[15:21] <Yowl> Would someone please tell me about LUKS and the necessity or not of feeding data from unencrypted space, to encrypted space?
[15:21] <Rory> Lynx_: sudo apt-get install gcc-4.7
[15:22] <Lynx_> Rory: I did that, but it does not seem to work although there are no errors.
[15:23] <Rory> Lynx_: Can you pastebin the output of the command: "sudo apt-get install gcc-4.7" ?
[15:24] <codepython777> whats the correct way to do this:  find -name 'mydirs' | xargs $1 df -h $2
[15:24] <Lynx_> Rory: I pasted the important part already, it's "gcc-4.7-base is already the newest version." It replaces gcc-4.7 with gcc-4.7-base during installation.
[15:24] <Crazyzurfer> ikonia: How can I check that?
[15:24] <ikonia> Crazyzurfer: look in the apache2 config and at the site specific config file
[15:25] <wheatthin> codepython777, don't forget the path on the find side
[15:25] <Rory> Lynx_: What Ubuntu version are you using?
[15:26] <Rory> Lynx_: cat /etc/issue
[15:27] <Lynx_> Rory: Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS \n \l
[15:27] <Rory> Lynx_: Can you pastebin the output of "sudo updatedb; locate gcc-4.7"
[15:28] <Lynx_> Rory: http://pastebin.com/06ND1XsG
[15:30] <Rory> !info gcc-4.7 precise
[15:31] <Rory> Lynx_: Look here, it seems GCC 4.7 isn't backported to 12.04, but you can use a PPA http://askubuntu.com/questions/113291/how-do-i-install-gcc-4-7
[15:31] <Crazyzurfer> ikonia: Wanna see it?
[15:32] <Lynx_> Rory: Ok, I just unpacke the .deb file that apt-get downloaded and there is indeed no actual binary in there, very confusing. Thanks!
[15:33] <streulma> hello, is there a method to fast copy files to a drive ?
[15:33] <Rory> streulma: Could you re-phrase that? What is wrong with the normal methods (drag and drop in Nautilus, or cp command)
[15:33] <Rory> streulma: You can't move data any faster than your disks can handle (unless you are magic)
[15:33] <mrserii> hellow all i just deleted my ntfs propertion during ubuntu install
[15:34] <Rory> mrserii: Partition?
[15:34] <Lynx_> Rory: That worked, now it's there. Cheers.
[15:34] <Rory> Lynx_: No problem, glad you got it working
[15:35] <mrserii> yes there was two partition c and d, i try to install just onc but by mistake i choose full delete option
[15:35] <Rory> mrserii: Are you about to ask if you can "undelete" it?
[15:35] <mrserii> yes
[15:35] <Rory> mrserii: The short answer is no
[15:36] <Rory> !undelete | mrserii you *might* be able to do something with testdisk
[15:36] <Rory> mrserii: You definitely won't be able to if you already installed Ubuntu over that space
[15:37] <mrserii> i want undelete ntfs ...
[15:37] <Rory> mrserii: I would recommend just recreating the partition, and copying files across from a backup
[15:38] <mrrcp> undelete?
[15:38] <mrserii> wich command i shuld use to "scan" for deleted ntfs ?
[15:38] <Rory> mrserii: You need to boot from a LiveCD and use the "testdisk" program which is in the repositories
[15:39] <mrserii> im now on live cd, usb stick
[15:39] <Rory> mrserii: There is documentation on how to use testdisk on their wiki http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[15:39] <mrserii> i must use second external hd ?
[15:39] <Rory> mrserii: I've not used it enough to be able to walk you through using it
[15:41] <mrserii> thanks rory! hope to backup
[15:43] <gdos> is it possible to have network settings (or specifically dns settings) on a per user basis? on my kids' computers i use opendns but not on mine however when they use my computer i want them using opendns; is this possible?
[15:44] <ezra-s> gdos, what's stopping you setting the dns manually?
[15:44] <gdos> ezra-s: per user?
[15:45] <gdos> ezra-s: i would have to change it each time they get on, correct?
[15:45] <ezra-s> gdos, sorry, not my day today, I mis-read and thought you were talking about different machines
[15:46] <gdos> oh. :)
[15:46] <ezra-s> gdos, afaik dns setting is a per machine setting, but there are always dirty workarounds I guess
[15:46] <gdos> i thought there was. :)
[15:47] <ezra-s> think that dns is set before you log in
[15:47] <somegirl> Hi I've  a problem that at some point I can't access my home folder and this cause many apps to stop executing properly like browsers and skype
[15:47] <somegirl> I checked the hardware health but I guess everything is fine
[15:47] <gdos> somegirl: did you check your home folder permission settings?
[15:47] <ezra-s> gdos, network manager may be to way to do it, when you configure a device or wifi or anything if I recall well you can specify if you share it with other users (being you the admin), maybe there is a way through there
[15:47] <Crazyzurfer> if I do sudo apt-get install apache, am i Going to get wich version?
[15:48] <gdos> i'll check it out ezra-s
[15:48] <dxdemetriou> how can automount set permissions to everyone for any new inserted usb device on Ubuntu 12.04?
[15:48] <ezra-s> gdos, good luck, let us know
[15:48] <somegirl> gdos: yes I've permission I already can see and access home dir but after some time that's not really defined sometimes it happens and sometimes not
[15:48] <somegirl> but this is really bothering me
[15:49] <somegirl> I get logged out of skype with I/O err
[15:49] <gdos> do you have read/write permission on your home folder? what about the other folders?
[15:49] <somegirl> but my harware health is ok
[15:49] <somegirl> gdos: yes I've to 'em  all
[15:50] <gdos> have you checked the read/write permission on the skype config file (its hidden)in your home folder?
[15:50] <gdos> only happens on skype, somegirl?
[15:50] <dxdemetriou> what I need is the answer of this but for Ubuntu 12.04: http://askubuntu.com/questions/17540/how-do-i-set-executable-permissions-on-a-removable-drive/17550#17550
[15:50] <Yowl> Would someone please tell me about LUKS and the necessity or not of feeding data from unencrypted space, to encrypted space?
[15:50] <wylde> gdos: found a thread here, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/selective-dns-server-depending-on-user-821482/ interesting idea using an iptables module.
[15:50] <somegirl> gdos: yes but I can see it already when I hit ctrl + h and skype runs okay but after some time I log out and it gives me that err
[15:51] <gdos> thanks, wylde
[15:51] <Peasant333> I need some help with apache, i was following a guide for installing django and it had me create a new user, now I get error trying to start apache2 | Apache2: bad user name USER
[15:51] <Yowl> ikonia: You know anything about LUKS?
[15:51] <somegirl> gdos: and it's not really because of skype because when I try to access home folder either by nautils or ls nothing at all but it returns back when I reboot
[15:53] <Peasant333> anyone know how I can switch user that starts apache from putty?
[15:53] <somegirl> anybody have any idea what's really the problem?
[15:53] <Peasant333> this is the command that broke it
[15:53] <Peasant333> useradd --system --no-create-home --home-dir /srv/my_project/ --user-group USERNAME
[15:53] <Peasant333> chsh -s /bin/bash USERNAME
[15:54] <somegirl> might be a conflict with something?
[15:54] <somegirl> peasant333: putty & ubuntu?
[15:54] <Peasant333> yes ubuntu 12.04 server
[15:54] <somegirl> that sucks why don't you use ssh client?
[15:55] <somegirl> from shell
[15:55] <Yowl> Someone here know something about LUKS?
[15:55] <Peasant333> i do but putty works better for terminal than win SCP
[15:55] <gdos> somegirl: have you tried creating a new account and duplicate this on the new account?
[15:55] <Peasant333> it is a dedicated server so I can;t see GUI
[15:55] <somegirl> gdos: not really will try that
[15:56] <somegirl> Peasant333: whatever
[15:56] <somegirl> your client is win?
[15:56] <gdos> Peasant333: you could use pterm in Ubuntu Server without a the need for a GUI
[15:57] <Peasant333> my client at home is win7 my server 2k miles away is ubuntu 12.04
[15:57] <somegirl> ok that's weirdo
[15:57] <gdos> !pterm
[15:57] <Peasant333> no it works just fine xD
[15:57] <somegirl> asking about putty in ubuntu
[15:58] <gdos> putty does work in ubuntu :)
[15:58] <Peasant333> i wasn;t asking about putty, i was asking how to change ubuntu users, because I this guide had me create new user now apache wont start
[15:58] <somegirl> gdos: I know but why would I use it and I've my lovely shell :)
[15:58] <Peasant333> i used*
[15:59] <Peasant333> error is Apache2: bad user name USER
[15:59] <Peasant333> i already edited apache config to use group www-data
[15:59] <ezra-s> Peasant333, which user do you use to "launch" apache?
[15:59] <Peasant333> its a weird ubuntu user problem
[15:59] <ikonia> it's not an ubuntu user problem
[16:00] <ikonia> Peasant333: you have changed the user apache runs as to a non-existant user called "USER"
[16:00] <Peasant333> it used something like $( current user) sorry i know that is not exactly it, and it would give me error bad user name USER, so on google it said switch it to www-data
[16:00] <gdos> *BRB* :)
[16:00] <wylde> Peasant333: www-data:www-data is the default user/group  for the LAMP stack in ubuntu
[16:01] <Peasant333> yes, and when i checked user on ubuntu it shows a www-data user, but says it has never logged in.
[16:01] <ikonia> that user should not login
[16:01] <ikonia> Peasant333: www-data is a non-interactive user
[16:02] <joshlegs> so to connect to wifi without using networkmanager, i'd use something like this, right ?
[16:02] <ikonia> Peasant333: it's the user the apache process runs as, it's set in your apache2 config
[16:02] <joshlegs> $ sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "network" s: <password> ?
[16:02] <Peasant333> yes, in apache.conf it shows user: www-data and group: www-data
[16:02] <ikonia> Peasant333: you have changed the config file or installed apache from a non-standard source as the ubuntu package will setup that user and the config file work out of the box
[16:02] <ikonia> Peasant333: how are you trying to start apache, exactly
[16:03] <Peasant333> sudo service apache2 restart used to work but now that the process is not running i used
[16:03] <ikonia> Peasant333: then someone has changed your ocnfig
[16:03] <ikonia> config
[16:03] <linuxearth> i just wanted to know: "how we can say that .deb is better than .rpm?"
[16:03] <Peasant333> this tutorial for django changed my config somehow
[16:04] <BluesKaj> joshlegs, sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid,  then fill in any fields
[16:04] <linuxearth> i just wanted to know: "how we can say that .deb is better than .rpm?"
[16:04] <ikonia> linuxearth: please stop crossposting
[16:04] <Peasant333> useradd --system --no-create-home --home-dir /srv/my_project/ --user-group USERNAME
[16:04] <Peasant333> chsh -s /bin/bash USERNAME
[16:04] <joshlegs> awesome, thanks BluesKaj
[16:04] <ikonia> linuxearth: and please stop asking the same question in multiple channels in less than 60 seconds
[16:04] <wylde> linuxearth: not a support question.
[16:04] <Peasant333> was the command that broke everything
[16:04] <arcsky> unity has a irc channel?
[16:04] <joshlegs> been fighting with an update that ruined my networking for several hours now
[16:04] <arcsky> i really need help with this retard global menu thing
[16:04] <ikonia> Peasant333: that would not change your apache config
[16:04] <linuxearth> ikonia: i am a beginner
[16:04] <ikonia> Peasant333: that would just add a username
[16:05] <dxdemetriou> can I change default options that used for automounting usb storage devices in Ubuntu 12.04 desktop?
[16:05] <Yowl> Anyone here know anything about LUKS?
[16:05] <joshlegs> Yowl: you LUKS! sheesh :D
[16:06] <joshlegs> LUKSembourg
[16:06] <ikonia> no
[16:06] <joshlegs> ok lunch time
[16:06] <Peasant333> chown -R USERNAME:USERNAME /srv/my_project/?
[16:06] <ikonia> joshlegs: please keep the silly help out of the hcannel
[16:06] <ikonia> Peasant333: no, apache is not running
[16:06] <ikonia> Peasant333: that won't change it
[16:06] <ikonia> Peasant333: please look what user apache is set to run as
[16:06] <mediawork> hi
[16:07] <Peasant333> this is what i was going off of when it broke, it is short. http://www.lennu.net/2012/05/14/django-deployement-installation-to-ubuntu-12-dot-04-server/
[16:07] <mediawork> I keep getting System program problem detected message after login
[16:07] <Yowl> ikonia, you know about LUKS?
[16:07] <lostchild> hello
[16:07] <booh> Hi, mega problem... I update and now, I can't boot... telling me udevd timeout killing sbin/modprobe -bc pci:......... and looping on this message.
[16:07] <mediawork> I read that many people have this, but what bugs me is that there is no detail given on what crashed.
[16:07] <ikonia> Yowl: not massivly
[16:07] <mediawork> or what is wrong
[16:07] <mediawork> :S
[16:08] <mediawork> can the apport mechanism tell me anything useful?   or do I need to dmsg?
[16:08] <booh> I tried to boot on the old kernel.. same thing
[16:09] <Yowl> ikonia: Well some basic information would be useful. Do you need unecrypted space to have data on in order to transfer said data to encrypted space, with LUKS?
[16:09] <ikonia> Yowl: I don't believe so, I always thought it was wrapped around an existing file system, but I could be wrong
[16:11] <lixd> Hi, after 13.04 installation I'm gettin grub error 17; with Live CD I can't get to the graphical environment since it's very slow (I suppose due to graphical drivers... I expect to get that better after installation), but I can switch to the terminal.... to launch grub I have to apt-get it ... that's ok, but then if I perform "find /boot/grub/stage1" I can't find it... and whatever I try (whatever I googled) gives me here another error
[16:11] <lixd> stuck
[16:13] <lixd> any advice what to do with it? I also tried to reinstall it several times and make sure the MBR is being written to the right place.... but still nothing
[16:14] <booh> Hi, mega problem... I update and now, I can't boot... telling me udevd timeout killing sbin/modprobe -bc pci:......... and looping on this message.  I tried to boot with older kernel in grub, same result.
[16:15] <Yowl> ikonia: I know there is the theoretical risk, but in real world application, how risky to data is it to change partition size outside of a LVM?
[16:15] <DWSR> Yowl: Very.\
[16:15] <ikonia> Yowl: it depends on a few things
[16:18] <Yowl> ikonia: Like?
[16:18] <ikonia> Yowl: data spacing, data size, partitions around it, file system, etc, and how much of a risk you are prepared to take,
[16:18] <Yowl> Even expanding a partition out into free space is risky to the data on the partition?
[16:18] <ikonia> Yowl: always a risk, but much smaller than reducing
[16:19] <Yowl> ikonia: Yeah but details please, what increases the risk, what reduces it, like what FS is safer to change?
[16:19] <arcsky> how do i remove this retard global menu in ubuntu unity ?
[16:20] <ikonia> Yowl: well for example a journeled file system would be easier to recover/odds of recovery greater than a non-journeled one
[16:20] <ivebeenlinuxed> Go for gnome!
[16:20] <ivebeenlinuxed> arcsky: I prefer it anyway!
[16:20] <arcsky> ivebeenlinuxed: really?
[16:20] <gdos> i am un-able to browse the network. it times out whenever i click on the browse network icon in the sidebar. but then when i manually type in smb:/// i can see my network and when i try to click on a folder it times out again.
[16:20] <ikonia> arcsky: you'll get a lot better response if you stop calling things "retarded"
[16:21] <ivebeenlinuxed> arcsky: All our network works on it anyway - much better in my opinion!
[16:21] <ivebeenlinuxed> ikonia: I have to admit - I'm not a fan either!
[16:21] <ivebeenlinuxed> arcsky: Install gnome-shell
[16:21] <arcsky> ivebeenlinuxed: you work with unity?
[16:22] <OerHeks> arcsky, maybe this answer is any help > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2163971
[16:22] <arcsky> i want to remove this minimize,maximize,close from that menu
[16:22] <Yowl> ikonia: Is that like a LVM?
[16:22] <ivebeenlinuxed> arcsky: No, I am not a big fan of the way they have tried to make touch devices have the same interface as desktops.
[16:22] <ikonia> Yowl: what ?
[16:22] <ikonia> Yowl: it's a file system
[16:23] <ivebeenlinuxed> arcsky: From a code point of view it's brilliant for them, but from the point of view of usability it's not particularly fitting for a desktop
[16:24] <Yowl> ikonia: So fat32, NTFS, etc4, or "journaled"?
[16:25] <Yowl> ext4 I mean
[16:25] <arcsky> OerHeks: yeah that i have done alreadyd those minimize,maximize,close as well
[16:25] <ikonia> Yowl: no, ext4 IS a jornaled file system, fat32 is not
[16:25] <megalinux> oi
[16:25] <Yowl> ikonia: Is NTFS? is ext3?
[16:26] <ikonia> Yowl: NTFS is, but it's non-native to linux, so the risk is greater, ext3 is
[16:26] <lixd> so any idea what to do with grub error 17? I can't google anything that would work
[16:26] <ikonia> lixd: have you looked up the error code ?
[16:27] <ikonia> lixd: understanding the problem makes it easier to fix
[16:27] <lixd> of course, all it gives me is Grub Error 17
[16:27] <lixd> nothing more
[16:27] <lixd> I can't boot
[16:27] <ikonia> lixd: right, so have you looked up what Grub Error 17 means ?
[16:27] <ikonia> lixd: if you say "of course" you should be able to tell me what it means
[16:27] <lixd> yes, I know what it means
[16:27] <lixd> but I can't solve it
[16:27] <ikonia> ok, great what does it mean
[16:28] <lixd> that the MBR is screwed up in regard to my Linux
[16:28] <gordonjcp> lixd: what *specifically* does it mean?
[16:28] <ikonia> that's not what Error 17 means
[16:28] <ikonia> you've not looked it up have you
[16:28] <lixd> Anybody could help me?
[16:28] <gordonjcp> lixd: yes
[16:28] <ikonia> lixd: look up the error code and start telling the truth
[16:28] <gordonjcp> lixd: look up what "grub error 17" means, and how to fix it
[16:28] <ikonia> lixd: you'll get better help that way
[16:28] <Yowl> ikonia: How much does journaled reduce risk? Coupled with expanding a partition, does that make the risk pretty slight? Is the journal stored in the FS itself, nothing in OS? Any other risk factors you can mention?
[16:29] <lixd> what difference will it make
[16:29] <lixd> I cannot boot.
[16:29] <lixd> I have made a clean installation
[16:29] <ikonia> lixd if we know what the problem is - we can fix it
[16:29] <lixd> yet I cannot boot
[16:29] <FloodBot1> lixd: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:29] <ikonia> lixd: hence why you need to know what it error code 17 means
[16:29] <lixd> the problem is I have made a clean installation and I cannot boot
[16:29] <ikonia> lixd: plus we can't help you if you lie
[16:29] <lixd> which is very far from being custom
[16:29] <ikonia> lixd: you have a valid error code - look it up and then we can help you
[16:29] <gordonjcp> lixd: the installation is irrelevant
[16:29] <lixd> well
[16:29] <lixd> I expect the product to work
[16:29] <gordonjcp> lixd: do you know what causes error 17?
[16:29] <lixd> when I install it
[16:30] <ikonia> lixd: it's not so you have a choice a.) complain b.) look up the error code to get help
[16:30] <lixd> grub settings probably
[16:30] <gordonjcp> lixd: so, you haven't looked it up?
[16:30] <ikonia> lixd: not "probably" actually look it up
[16:30] <ikonia> lixd: or stop asking
[16:30] <lixd> I've been googling solutions and trying like for 3 hours
[16:30] <ikonia> lixd: not the solution, look up the error codes meaning
[16:30] <hitsujiTMO> lixd: can you boot from cd and run fdisk -l
[16:31] <gordonjcp> lixd: type this into google, exactly as I give it -> "grub error 17"
[16:31] <booh> After update, ubuntu can't find the root device by uuid... I don't know what to do with that
[16:32] <gordonjcp> lixd: now, I'm not telling you "JFGI", I'm telling you the steps I would take to solve the problem
[16:32] <gordonjcp> lixd: come back and tell me when you've done that
[16:32] <wheatthin> booh, boot livedvd and type blockid, and get the right UUID, and replace it with the one in /etc/fstab
[16:33] <booh> wheatthin ok I try...
[16:33] <booh> wheatthin ok I try... thanks
[16:33] <Shane-S> Hi all I have been struggling to getting any packages installed, including pastbinit, I was able to pastebin my dependancy troubles.  http://pastebin.com/HdumkM2j I could use help resolving that
[16:34] <parduse> how do i surf the web thru my server? my laptop and server are on different wan ips
[16:34] <Yowl> ikonia: How much does journaled reduce risk? Coupled with expanding a partition, does that make the risk pretty slight? Is the journal stored in the FS itself, nothing in OS? Any other risk factors you can mention? Also, is there a way to find out right away if a change to partition size has caused data errors?
[16:34] <ikonia> Yowl: you can't put numbers on it like that
[16:35] <ikonia> Yowl: just work out if you can live without your data, if so, take the risk, if not, back it up
[16:35] <Yowl> ikonia: Is there a way to know right away if your data has been damage?
[16:36] <ikonia> Yowl: you'll know when the partition won't mount
[16:36] <hitsujiTMO> yowl: journaling doesn't 'reduce' risk, but actually increase the chances of recovering from an error
[16:37] <lixd> Sorry, I'm back. gordonjcp, well any googling gets me to a page where they deal with the problem... and that's what i want to do: to deal with the problem and I have no idea what I can do other than to boot to live CD (which, the live CD launched OS doesn't work the best for me) and try the solutions...yet nothing works, no new installation helps... So this is my last resort
[16:37] <ikonia> lixd: what version of ubuntu is this ?
[16:37] <lixd> 13.04
[16:37] <Yowl> ikonia: So its all or nothing? It never damages data but still mounts, giving you no clue that the data has been damage till you find a corrupted file at some point?
[16:38] <ikonia> Yowl: pretty much
[16:39] <HIMYM> I have a 80GB HDD which has Windows and Ubuntu. I want to do a fresh install but only keep Ubuntu this time.....How can I do that??
[16:39] <HIMYM> Ubuntu 13.04
[16:39] <Yowl> ikonia: Well that wasn't a complete yes, are there exceptions to that?
[16:39] <rampageRipper> how 2 install awsomewm
[16:39] <Zal> HIMYM, just let the installer partition and format the entire drive.
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> HIMYM: and smart choice!
[16:40] <ikonia> Yowl: "yes"
[16:40] <ikonia> Yowl: take it as a "yes"
[16:41] <rampageRipper> is awsome wm supported?
[16:42] <OerHeks> rampageRipper, Awesome is already in the official repositories. Simply install packages awesome and awesome-extra .
[16:42] <Yowl> ikonia: Does a partition being encrypted increase the risk of changing partition size?
[16:42] <HIMYM> Zal: So when the I have to choose the "Installation type" I choose "Replace Windows 7 with Ubuntu" right?
[16:42] <ikonia> Yowl: the partition size does not change
[16:43] <Zal> HIMYM, hm, I'm not familiar with exactly what the installer asks.
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> HIMYM: yes
[16:43] <Yowl> ikonia: ? I mean if a partition is encrypted, is changing its size more risky then if it was unencrypted?
[16:44] <ikonia> Yowl: I don't know to be honest, I guess so but I wouldn't bet my life on it
[16:44] <hitsujiTMO> yowl: that will depend on the exact method of encryption
[16:45] <Yowl> hitsujiTMO: What do you mean by "method"?
[16:45] <HIMYM> lotuspsychje & Zal thanks for the help!! Now time to kill Windows!! Long Live FOSS!!
[16:45] <Yowl> hitsujiTMO: Please give me a example of two different methods. Is LUKS a "method"?
[16:45] <hitsujiTMO> theres more than one way to encrypt a partition or drive
[16:46] <Zal> HIMYM, :-)
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> HIMYM: welcome to another world! and if you need any packages come back and ask
[16:46] <Yowl> hitsujiTMO: Yes, but there are different levels to this. Please give me a couple examples
[16:46] <Yowl> so I can make sure of your meaning
[16:47] <OerHeks> Yowl, changing partition size has always a risk, so start with backing up your data first.
[16:47] <rampageRipper> OerHeks:
[16:47] <rampageRipper> Reading package lists... Done
[16:47] <rampageRipper> Building dependency tree
[16:47] <rampageRipper> Reading state information... Done
[16:47] <rampageRipper> edk: Unable to locate package a
[16:47] <FloodBot1> rampageRipper: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:48] <Jordan_U> lixd: For one thing, you've been following old guides and incorrectly installing grub legacy rather than grub2. Don't ever "apt-get install grub" as that gets you grub legacy, which you do *not* want.
[16:48] <HIMYM> lotuspsychje: Previously I had installed 32-bit Ubuntu 13.04 even though I have a 64-bit processor. Is it okay if I install 64-bit Ubuntu now?
[16:48] <Yowl> OerHeks: Yes, if I have the means to back up, sure. Do you know about risks with encryption and changing sizes?
[16:48] <edk> pong
[16:48] <parduse> ssh -N -D 0.0.0.0:9090 ubuntu@xxx.dyndns.info will this make me surf thru my proxy to view content
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> HIMYM: sure of your hardware is 64bit, install ubuntu 64bit
[16:48] <lixd> I see, Jordan_U  ...
[16:49] <skinux> Simply curious, does paste.ubuntu.com use an open source paste script or is it custom?
[16:49] <edk> parduse: you probably shouldn't bind the proxy to 0.0.0.0
[16:49] <wheatthin> skinux, pastebinit
[16:49] <Jordan_U> lixd: Please run boot info script and pastebin the RESULTS.txt it produces so that we can get a better idea of the current state of your system.
[16:49] <OerHeks> Yowl, give us an example of what you want to do, giving answers out of the blue is not what this channel is for
[16:49] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | lixd
[16:50] <lixd> as my tries with the liveCD and the new installation weren't bearing fruits... I'm trying a new installation, this time not playing with the tool making and deleting partitions... and I hope that I'll get the result I'm supposed to get after such installation
[16:50] <parduse> doesnt 0.0.0.0 mean world? i tried the ipless version but error recurred
[16:50] <lixd> oh.... too late probably
[16:50] <Yowl> OerHeks: Changing a 100gb partition to 120gb partition, with being encrypted, or without it being encrypted
[16:51] <hitsujiTMO> yowl, some encryption programs will just encrypt a partition ... resizing this partition can be dangerous as the partition manager may not be aware of or understand the encryption. Others will encrypt a logical volume that contains the partition. resizing the volume is safe as the partition is inside the encrypted space.
[16:51] <wheatthin> parduse, 0.0.0.0 is just a representation of ip addressing
[16:51] <rampageRipper> OerHeks: ok,got it now  ,thanx
[16:52] <Yowl> hitsujiTMO: So which does LUKS do?
[16:52] <parduse> i see but the result doesnt change, still i cannot connect, does it have to do with iptables ? which i guess not
[16:53] <wheatthin> parduse, you're trying to connect to a proxy right? Do you have one locally or remotely?
[16:53] <wheatthin> 0.0.0.0 should be the ip address of the proxy
[16:53] <hitsujiTMO> i'm not familiar with LUKS, but reading the basic entry on wikipedia states that its disk-level encryption ... which usually means it creates a logical volume
[16:54] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: Most partition management tools (all good ones) either ignore partition contents entirely or refuse to resize partitions whose content they don't understand.
[16:54] <parduse> wheatthin server is remote and ubuntu 12.04 i am on laptop win7,
[16:54] <wheatthin> parduse, then it's whatever IP address of the server
[16:55] <parduse> so wheatthin what should i do/correct/change?
[16:56] <Yowl> hitsujiTMO:  Well your first one, encrypt a partition, how is that different then a disk level encryption? And are you saying the logical volume version reduces the risk, or eliminates it?
[16:56] <parduse> wan adress of the server is xxx.dyn.... in my example also
[16:57] <wheatthin> parduse, are they on separate lans?
[16:57] <parduse> sure
[16:57] <parduse> seperate in another city by now
[16:58] <Jordan_U> hitsujiTMO: LUKS can be used with or without LVM, though most people that use LUKS use LVM as well.
[16:58] <maujhsn> Having shut down problem with liveUSB need help. "http://pastebin.com/ub8m8LVR".
[16:58] <BluesKaj> 48+///////////
[16:59] <BluesKaj> joshlegs, sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid,  then fill in any fields
[16:59] <wheatthin> parduse, lol k.. as long as the remote server is running ssh and proxy, and you change your ip to the wan ip address it should work just fine
[16:59] <myep> I have an issue where my desktop freezes on window switch. plz see details "https://docs.google.com/document/d/11koT6dTbR3jF0sBfHpsDCQ4X6W8WLvOGSRs8lJ4bXds/edit?usp=sharing"
[17:00] <wheatthin> parduse, ssh is just for encryption
[17:00] <tnk1> Can anyone help me -- my wifi keeps dropping maybe once a day, and then won't reconnect... it works fine for 24-48 hours.. the only thing then which will fix it is a reboot... once in a while, sudo network-manager restart will fix it, but mostly, that will hang at the start second step instead....
[17:00] <tnk1> I think it must be network stack or driver related, because ubuntu won't even recognize a newly plugged in wifi card, if i plug it in after the first card has dropped connection during one of those wifi dropping phases..
[17:01] <parduse> wheatthin i came by other  software options for my purpose like redsock, do i have to go with them?
[17:01] <wheatthin> parduse, if you're just looking for a standard proxy, try privoxy
[17:03] <wheatthin> like I host a privoxy proxy with tor
[17:03] <myep> I have an issue where my desktop freezes on window switch. plz see details "https://docs.google.com/document/d/11koT6dTbR3jF0sBfHpsDCQ4X6W8WLvOGSRs8lJ4bXds/edit?usp=sharing"
[17:04] <parduse> tor .... okay i remember readin about it
[17:05] <maujhsn> Having shut down problem with liveUSB need help. "http://pastebin.com/ub8m8LVR".
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> !tor | parduse
[17:07] <foofoobar> Hi. So it looks like a few ppl have the same wifi issues like me with this hardware: http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/os-applications/f/4613/t/19515554.aspx
[17:07] <Peasant333> is there anyway to set apache back to defaults on ubuntu?
[17:07] <Peasant333> im using lamp
[17:07] <foofoobar> There are a few suggestions at the bottom of this thread, one is to upgrade the kernel, the second is to install a "backport"
[17:07] <Peasant333> it is for some reason loading up sub directory as default
[17:08] <hitsujiTMO> yowl: disk level encryption creates a logical volume that stores your partitions. and this volume itself is what gets encrypted not the partition itself. This reduces risk but does not eliminate it.
[17:08] <foofoobar> Which method seems more "safe" so I wont lose support for the other hardware ?
[17:08] <foofoobar> Peasant333, set apache back to default? you can use the default httpd.conf files
[17:09] <Peasant333> where do i get the default files?
[17:09] <Peasant333> i dont want to reinstall and lose my site
[17:09] <foofoobar> why not fifure out what is loading the subdirectory?
[17:10] <foofoobar> have a look at the DocumentRoot and the vhosts conf file
[17:10] <Peasant333> well it is reading azerothpw as default for some reason instead of default in sites-available
[17:10] <BSaboia> hello guys. is there a way to configure ubuntu to use "simple" graphics options? there is too much animations and i don't need that
[17:11] <hitsujiTMO> Jordan_U: some encryption tools use hidden volumes within an outer encrypted volume. this volume usually shows up as free space if the partition tool is not aware of it. an attempt to resize a partition in such a volume could overwrite the hidden volume and screw up a system
[17:11] <tnk1>  Anyone?
[17:11] <Peasant333> hitsujiTMD: try installing sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback or sudo apt-get install unity-2d
[17:12] <gordonjcp> hitsujiTMO: but disk encryption is about the best way to accidentally lose all your data *anyway*, so no biggie :-)
[17:13] <hitsujiTMO> gordonjcp: true
[17:14] <booh> wheatthin I'm with livedvd and I do blkid.  sda2 boot partition.  I mount the partition and fstab give me the same uuid than blkid.
[17:14] <booh> wheatthin maybe I should reinstall grub but I don't know how...
[17:15] <booh> also I'm with a 64bits version and I don't know if it's 64 or 32bits installed on the hard drive.
[17:15] <booh> but it's 13.04
[17:15] <Peasant333> help with apache loading a sub directory as default instead of var/www/ I couldnt find anything on google. :(
[17:15] <hitsujiTMO> BSaboia: install unity-tweak-tool ... you can use it reduce effects in unity ... disabling the blur is prob the best help
[17:16] <gordonjcp> hitsujiTMO: basically as a way of accidentally trashing stuff you care about, it ranks up there with filling your house with sledgehammers and going on a PCP bender
[17:17] <BSaboia> hitsujiTMO, i read that there is a 2d version of unity
[17:17] <hitsujiTMO> gordonjcp: hehe, encryption isn't all that bad if you're careful about backing up your keys
[17:17] <BSaboia> i guess that it's my best shoot
[17:17] <gordonjcp> hitsujiTMO: well, if you have any read errors or any filesystem corruption, the whole lot is gone
[17:17] <gordonjcp> BSaboia: no 3D support?
[17:18] <hitsujiTMO> BSaboia what version of ubuntu you're using?
[17:18] <maujhsn> Is there anybody knowledgable  about 12.04  liveUSB shut down glitches?   "http://pastebin.com/ub8m8LVR".
[17:18] <Zal> Peasant333, look up "ServerRoot"
[17:19] <hitsujiTMO> gordonjcp: just don't buy cheap ass drives :P
[17:20] <gordonjcp> hitsujiTMO: well, you just need to lose power without syncing once and your data is gone
[17:20] <BSaboia> hitsujiTMO, 13.04
[17:21] <BSaboia> gordonjcp, i have it but i don't want to spend my resources on useless animations
[17:21] <BSaboia> i'm on my laptop, the config isn't top notch
[17:21] <gordonjcp> BSaboia: meh
[17:21] <gordonjcp> BSaboia: 2D is slower than 3D
[17:21] <BSaboia> lol...
[17:21] <BSaboia> how on earth...
[17:21] <gordonjcp> unless you don't actually have a 3D accelerator
[17:21] <BSaboia> i should get back to fluxbox then
[17:22] <gordonjcp> BSaboia: because the 3D stuff uses the 3D accelerator
[17:22] <mino> hi
[17:22] <gordonjcp> BSaboia: so you're using the GPU for all the clever stuff
[17:22] <gordonjcp> BSaboia: I never much liked fluxbox
[17:22] <gordonjcp> BSaboia: so 80s
[17:22] <OerHeks> BSaboia, install unity-tweak and disable all fancy stuff you don't want
[17:22] <BSaboia> gordonjcp, my laptop is a vostro 1310, it has some intel 3d aceleration, which is close to none
[17:22] <booh> If I boot from livecd, how to know if the installed version is 32bits or 64bits on the hard drive?
[17:23] <maujhsn> Ok...here's a simple question Giants vs Bears tonight  getting  -9.5 at "0-5" do they cover?
[17:23] <mino> ubuntu is complaining about  "/etc/init.d/networking restart" is deprecated, what else should i use when not using the network manager?
[17:23] <gordonjcp> BSaboia: I'm running plain ordinary Ubuntu with the accelerated desktop on my elderly Macbook, with intel graphics
[17:23] <dxdemetriou> how can automount set permissions to everyone for any new inserted usb storage device on Ubuntu 12.04?
[17:23] <BSaboia> gordonjcp, the 80's rocked. i like it...
[17:23] <gordonjcp> mino: sudo service networking restart
[17:23] <gordonjcp> BSaboia: what, pixelly grey desktops?
[17:23] <maujhsn> that's  +9.5
[17:23] <BSaboia> and some green to come with it
[17:23] <njsg> soylent?
[17:23] <mino> gordonjcp: stop: Unknown instance:
[17:24] <hitsujiTMO> BSaboia: i was under the impression that unity-2d was removed from 13.04
[17:25] <BSaboia> OerHeks, which repo contains unity-tweak?
[17:25] <BSaboia> hitsujiTMO, i'm not sure, maybe it is
[17:25] <mino> is what i get back from service networking restart
[17:25] <MonkeyDust> !info unity-tweak-tool | BSaboia
[17:25] <hitsujiTMO> BSaboia its unity-tweak-tool   its in the standard repos
[17:26] <ggherdov> Hello. I rent a remote server with ubuntu-server and a custom kernel provided by the hosting company (`uname -r` gives 2.6.38.2-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64). My goal is to replace the kernel with a newer version. The hosting company said "do it but then you're on your own yada yada".
[17:26] <ggherdov> I am willing to take the risk to brake things; it's a machine I keep for ricreational and learning purposes; breaking things is the way I learn.
[17:26] <ggherdov> Question: during the last upgrade I did (11.10 --> 12.04) the kernel was unchanged. What is your guess about how they managed to keep the kernel out of the loop of the ubuntu upgrade? (xpost to #ubuntu-server)
[17:26] <pjha> angela_1: Hi
[17:26] <BSaboia> MonkeyDust, hitsujiTMO thanks
[17:27] <angela_1> pjha: hello
[17:27] <mendes_> Testing
[17:27] <hitsujiTMO> ggherdov they prob run their own repo
[17:28] <mino> ggherdov: its easy to bring your system to a not accessible state via network with a custom kernel. If you want to learn linux and do stuff like replacing the kernel do it either local on your pc or inside a vm on the remote machine
[17:29] <heylouiz> Hi, how can i update my ubuntu 13.04 to 13.10 beta?
[17:29] <ggherdov> hitsujiTMO: yes they have a mirror of the ubuntu repo. And probably they manage to... skip kernel updates then.
[17:29] <mino> ggherdov: a question is also is this a dedicated server or a virtual one? And if virtual which virtualizer? If its paravirtualized/chrooting its neither quite complicated or impossible :)
[17:30] <ggherdov> mino: physical machine (dedicated server).
[17:30] <ubuntusux> heylouiz: hey
[17:31] <mendes_> heylouiz: this is such a good question
[17:31] <MonkeyDust> heylouiz  better ask in #ubuntu+1, i guess
[17:31] <hitsujiTMO> ggherdov: is there any particular reason why you want to use a specific kernel? or you just want to play around?
[17:31] <mendes_> MonkeyDust: What is the difference bettwen #ubuntu and #ubuntu-1
[17:31] <ubuntusux> heylouiz: apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:32] <ggherdov> hitsujiTMO: actually I need a kernel compatible with linux container (LXC) 0.7.5. kernel 2.6 isn't supported. It's quite a limitation.
[17:32] <Crazyzurfer> hi
[17:32] <hitsujiTMO> mendes_: ubuntu+1 is next release
[17:33] <Crazyzurfer> I have lots of problems right now, my ubuntu 13.04 doesn't allow me to log in
[17:33] <mendes_> Hey Guys, I'm having some trouble with display drivers on my Ubuntu. I have a MacMini and would like to run ubuntu on it, but my display drive are quite creepy. What is the best drive to my Apple hardware?
[17:34] <Crazyzurfer> just appears a black screen for a microsec and returns to login
[17:34] <hitsujiTMO> ggherdov: you could try and force an install of 3.8 if its in their repo
[17:35] <heylouiz> MonkeyDust: Thanks, i'll try this channel!
[17:35] <ggherdov> hitsujiTMO: good idea. do you know the name of the package by which you get the... current kernel in an ubuntu distro?
[17:36] <Crazyzurfer> happened after trying to install lamp
[17:37] <Crazyzurfer> rebooted my pc and got this
[17:38] <Crazyzurfer> and in that same black screen it said: apache2: could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name....
[17:39] <hitsujiTMO> ggherdov: try linux-image-generic   otherwise i think linux-image-3.8.0-31-generic is current
[17:40] <Crazyzurfer> so.. entered with ctrl+alt+f1 and uninstalled lamp, now i get the black screen but no text and returns to login very fast
[17:40] <hitsujiTMO> Crazyzurfer: how exactly did you try and install lamp?
[17:40] <Dwarf> How do I disable all automated update checking?
[17:40] <CarlFK> open office calc.. where is "import from csv" ?
[17:41] <hitsujiTMO> Crazyzurfer: how exactly did you try and install lamp?
[17:42] <ggherdov> hitsujiTMO: thanks. checking right now and it seems for me it's 3.2 (I am running the LTS, 12.04)
[17:42] <Crazyzurfer> hitsujiTMO, tasksel
[17:42] <hitsujiTMO> ah yeah, i checked from 12.04.3
[17:43] <Crazyzurfer> it installed sucksessfuly but rebooting killed my pc, i guess
[17:43] <OerHeks> !tasksel
[17:43] <hitsujiTMO> Crazyzurfer: did you by any chance unselect something when installing amp stack?
[17:44] <Crazyzurfer> nope
[17:44] <heylouiz> !nautilus
[17:46] <hitsujiTMO> Crazyzurfer: can you get to a terminal and run: dpkg --get-selections
[17:47] <Crazyzurfer> yes
[17:47] <Crazyzurfer> a laaaarge list appears
[17:47] <hitsujiTMO> can you dump it to a file and post that somewhere?
[17:49] <hitsujiTMO> are you getting the normal graphical login screen btw ?
[17:49] <MonkeyDust> mendes_  #ubuntu+1 is for the next release, #ubuntu for the current and past supported
[17:50] <Crazyzurfer> yes, normal, but cant see the shutdown button
[17:50] <Crazyzurfer> i mean that whole liet of choises
[17:51] <Crazyzurfer> how can i upload the file somewhere to get the dump
[17:53] <hitsujiTMO> Crazyzurfer: try pastebinit
[17:53] <Crazyzurfer> how can i do it from console? :/
[17:53] <hitsujiTMO> Crazyzurfer: just: dpkg --get-selections | pastebinit
[17:56] <Crazyzurfer> paste.ubuntu.com/6219037
[17:57] <hitsujiTMO> did you uninstall compiz?
[17:58] <Crazyzurfer> no
[17:58] <Crazyzurfer> why would i do that :/
[17:58] <hitsujiTMO> well its deinstalled ...
[17:59] <Crazyzurfer> :O
[17:59] <Crazyzurfer> how could that happen
[18:00] <Crazyzurfer> and how can i fix it :/
[18:02] <kmyst> anybody able to help with preseeding and the auto label?
[18:03] <minimec> Crazyzurfer: Well... make sure to reinstall all needed compnents of the ubuntu desktop. Probably 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop' will do... I did not follow your story though...
[18:03] <natertux> server irc.recycled-irc.net
[18:04] <hitsujiTMO> crazyzurfer try: apt-get install compiz compiz-gnome gnome-control-center gnome-power-manager gnome-session gnome-settings-daemon
[18:09] <hitsujiTMO> Crazyzurfer: and in future avoid using tasksel to install anything after the initial system install ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP has a guide to installing lamp without using tasksel
[18:09] <Crazyzurfer> hitsujiTMO, it worked!
[18:09] <Crazyzurfer> i can logi
[18:10] <Crazyzurfer> log in again
[18:12] <hitsujiTMO> crazyzurfer: glad you're back in action. now install amp with -> sudo apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql
[18:12] <user_111> hi , Iuse ubuntu12.04 with gnome(3.4.1) interface, Yesterday after booting a message popped up that some applet is not working and asked to delete or not delete the applet, i closed the dialogue box by clicking x in the top corner,
[18:13] <user_111> now my running programs are not showing in the lower taskbar
[18:13] <user_111> can some one help?
[18:14] <daftykins> user_111: try backing up some of your . folders related to gnome to see where the problem lies, if you haven't changed much you could just full on reset them
[18:15] <daftykins> user_111: it appears gnome configurations could be in the following: .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity
[18:15] <minimec> user_111: can you <alt>right mouse click the panel? Are you on gnome 2.X or gnome 3.x, because at my knowledge there is no lower taskbar in gnome3
[18:17] <user_111> minimec, using command ¨gnome-shell --version¨ in terminal gives ¨ GNOME Shell 3.4.1¨
[18:17] <user_111> and there is a lower taskbar in my pc
[18:18] <minimec> user_111: Ok.
[18:18] <arcsky> why doesnt chrome got same maximize,minimize,close icons as the other programs?
[18:19] <user_111> daftykins, as i am a new user could you please tell me how to do the backup and where to find .gnome .gnome2 etc folders
[18:19] <lazors> arcsky: You can change that in the settings (iirc) but that would draw a new line on top. (See theme ; Use desktop theme or such)
[18:20] <Dwarf> Why does this install try to install update-notifier-common? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8ae99d47fc2f9783a553
[18:21] <daftykins> user_111: if you open a terminal, they will be hidden folders stored within ~ (which is another way of writing /home/yourusername/. To back them up, first have a look which ones are there by typing "ls -a" into the terminal, then match them up with the list i gave you. Now you can rename them to stop them being used as a test: "mv .gnome .gnome-old". Once you've done that for each one, you can log out and back in to see if it's changed
[18:21] <trism> Dwarf: flashplugin-installer using update-notifier-common to download the plugin tarball from partner
[18:22] <zarbula> ubuntu help, so I installed 13.10 on my new media server and trying to share a folder with a windows machine, attempted to use the folder right click, share a folder feature, with guest login set and I'm getting a access is denied error on the windows machines, please help!
[18:22] <Dwarf> trism: update-notifier-common has absolutely nothing to do with downloading a tarball
[18:22] <trism> Dwarf: yes, well, no, you are wrong
[18:22] <lancelot> Hello everyone, does anybody know a good shell commands intro manual or something like that?
[18:22] <trism> Dwarf: it is a strange package choice I agree but that is where the code is, look at the postinst
[18:23] <isasha> Hai. I'm dual booting Ubuntu and OS X. Which permissions should I set for my OS X partition so that I can access and modify files from Ubuntu, whilst not setting them to allow everyone to see them, as well as not impair either system?
[18:23] <Dwarf> Yuck
[18:23] <isasha> Also, should I set the permissions from ubuntu or os x?
[18:23] <user_111> ok thanks daftykins , i will that and let you know.
[18:25] <yesi> hi
[18:26] <ITAL0> hello
[18:26] <ITAL0> please to meet you all
[18:27] <OerHeks> :-)
[18:27] <mino> i have a problem with multiple network trunk with 3 ids where 2 of them need to receive a ip via DHCP. Only the first interface receives dhcp the rest not
[18:27] <user_111> daftykins, i have .gnome2 , .gconf , .gnome2_private. but not the .gnome  .gconfd and .metacity
[18:27] <mino> s/multiple/a/
[18:28] <user_111> I have backed them up and now do i restart the machine??
[18:28] <mino> it seems that dhclient doesnt handle multiple vlan interfaces right
[18:28] <daftykins> user_111: that's fine, just try applying the above method to those. you can restore them by just moving the .gnome2-old to .gnome2 again, of course
[18:28] <daftykins> user_111: just a logout and login should be enough
[18:29] <pjha> angela_1: Hi
[18:29] <Crazyzurfer> now a weird thing happens :S
[18:29] <Crazyzurfer> http://i.imgur.com/wwLJDiJ.png
[18:29] <Crazyzurfer> some horizontal lines appear in my screen every some time
[18:30] <daftykins> Crazyzurfer: is this a new intel haswell system?
[18:31] <ITAL0> anyone here know anything about oracle virtualbox 4.2.18 ?
[18:31] <Crazyzurfer> daftykins: nope is third generation
[18:32] <mino> okay if i run dhclient -d i cant see that he is listenting for the second interface
[18:32] <daftykins> Crazyzurfer: ah, could be graphics related still. do they move if you drag a window around?
[18:32] <Crazyzurfer> the appear and dissapear in like 5 seconds
[18:32] <Crazyzurfer> they dissapeared right after i took the screen shot
[18:32] <daftykins> Crazyzurfer: have a look at a suggestion here to try a 3.10 rc5 kernel: http://askubuntu.com/questions/337016/horizontal-lines-with-samsung-series-9-intel-ivy-bridge
[18:33] <user_111> daftykins, I logged out and in  but It didnt worked, there is still nothing in the taskbar
[18:33] <Crazyzurfer> mine is samsung serie 5
[18:33] <daftykins> Crazyzurfer: same thing will apply then - try a newer kernel
[18:33] <Dudytz> hi all! I have a question related to password keyring: I have 2 different instances of Chromium (started with different --user-data-dir paths) ... and I want to save the passwords of each instance in a dedicated password keyring, it's possible? How to do? Is there a environment variable to set to archive this?
[18:34] <yesi> About autofs : i 'd like to mount a directory on the root of / i.e. mount -t nfs server:/toto /toto_dir. WHat is the syntaxe ? Actually I can mount only mount on /toto_dir/toto.
[18:34] <daftykins> user_111: ah ok :( sorry that's my only idea then. perhaps there is a better resource for gnome help
[18:35] <user_111> daftykins,   minimec ,  its ok thanks anyways
[18:36] <ITAL0>  I use vb 4.2.18 on lubuntu amd64 , and it give me the error :  The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv
[18:36] <daftykins> ITAL0: it sounds like your installation may have failed due to not compiling the module properly
[18:37] <ricardobarbosams> hi all
[18:38] <ricardobarbosams> i try deploy router proxy-arp
[18:38] <ricardobarbosams> but not working
[18:38] <ricardobarbosams> i set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/all/proxy_arp
[18:38] <daftykins> please press enter less
[18:38] <ricardobarbosams> i set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/all/proxy_arp for 1
[18:38] <ITAL0> so I go to bash as root and run  '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' , but I obtain error
[18:38] <ricardobarbosams> i set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/all/arp_filter for 0
[18:38] <ricardobarbosams> i set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/all/arp_ignore for 0
[18:39] <ricardobarbosams> i set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies for 0
[18:39] <ricardobarbosams> anyone any idea?
[18:39] <ricardobarbosams> ITAL0, what error?
[18:40] <ITAL0> * Trying to register the VirtualBox kernel modules using DKMS                                                                 Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.5.0-42-generic (x86_64)
[18:40] <ITAL0> Consult /var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/4.2.18/build/make.log for more information.
[18:40] <JoBArTe_Skuld> anyone knows a alternative for ufw to CLI?
[18:40] <daftykins> ITAL0: is 'dkms' installed?
[18:40] <daftykins> JoBArTe_Skuld: what do you mean? you want a GUI program to configure UFW?
[18:40] <yesi> quit
[18:41] <JoBArTe_Skuld> [daftykins]: nop, a alternative for ufw to iptables
[18:41] <daftykins> sorry i don't understand
[18:41] <ricardobarbosams> ITAL0, execute with root?
[18:41] <ITAL0> make[1]: *** [/var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/4.2.18/build/built-in.o] Errore 127
[18:41] <ITAL0> make: *** [_module_/var/lib/dkms/vboxhost/4.2.18/build] Errore 2
[18:41] <ITAL0> make: uscita dalla directory "/usr/src/linux-headers-3.5.0-42-generic"
[18:41] <ITAL0> yes as root
[18:42] <JoBArTe_Skuld> [daftykins]: ufw is a easy tool for firewall/iptables, okay?
[18:42] <ricardobarbosams> ITAL0, have kernel source
[18:42] <daftykins> ITAL0: so you haven't got your kernel source / headers installed. you'll need them
[18:42] <ITAL0> I have installed kernel source and gcc
[18:42] <Crazyzurfer> daftykins: how can i upgrade the kernel?
[18:42] <ricardobarbosams> ithink what i need compile module
[18:43] <MonkeyDust> JoBArTe_Skuld  fwbuilder is more advanced
[18:43] <ITAL0> yes I have
[18:43] <JoBArTe_Skuld> [MonkeyDust]: fwbuilder is CLI or GUI? :o
[18:43] <ripthejacker> how do I install a package from backport in ubuntu 13.04 roaring?
[18:43] <ITAL0> o# uname -a
[18:43] <ITAL0> Linux host 3.5.0-42-generic #65-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 1 23:38:22 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:44] <MonkeyDust> JoBArTe_Skuld  it's GUI
[18:44] <daftykins> ITAL0: run uname -r, then sudo apt-get install linux-headers-<what uname -r printed>
[18:44] <ricardobarbosams> ITAL0, humm post complete output error
[18:44] <ripthejacker> and before that how do I check what version of the package is present in the backports?
[18:44] <JoBArTe_Skuld> :(
[18:44] <ricardobarbosams> the paste
[18:44] <ricardobarbosams> :)
[18:44] <JoBArTe_Skuld> [MonkeyDust]: thanks, I want a cli app, equal to ufw
[18:45] <JoBArTe_Skuld> [daftykins]: ufw don't work a very well on openvz vm
[18:45] <JoBArTe_Skuld> then I want a alternative for ufw to this :o
[18:45] <daftykins> oh ok, no idea then sorry
[18:45] <JoBArTe_Skuld> [daftykins]: thanks too :)
[18:45] <daftykins> Crazyzurfer: are you on 13.04?
[18:46] <ITAL0> # uname -r
[18:46] <ITAL0> 3.5.0-42-generic
[18:46] <ITAL0> root@host:/home/pablo# apt-get install linux-headers-3.5.0-42-generic
[18:46] <motaka2> hello I need to type in persian in terminal and read in persian too in it, and solutions like this doesn't work for me:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/77657/how-to-enable-arabic-support-in-gnome-terminal   what should i do ?
[18:46] <Crazyzurfer> daftykins: yup
[18:46] <Crazyzurfer> yes
[18:46] <ITAL0> linux-headers-3.5.0-42-generic è già alla versione più recente.
[18:46] <ITAL0> 0 aggiornati, 0 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 0 non aggiornati.
[18:46] <ITAL0> the headers are installed
[18:47] <ripthejacker> is there any way I can see what version of package is present in the backports
[18:47] <booh> If I re-install grub with a livecd to an hard disk installation, do I need to have the same arch 32 vs 64 bits?
[18:47] <ITAL0> maybe I did update with apt-get update n any files are different?
[18:48] <daftykins> ITAL0: try having build-essential installed also, then try reinstalling
[18:49] <ricardobarbosams> anyone work proxy-arp?
[18:49] <zykotic10> ripthejacker: assuming you've enabled the backports repo, then "apt-cache policy foo" should show what versions are available
[18:50] <ripthejacker> i have enabled backports in software sources
[18:50] <ripthejacker> do I have to configure any file?
[18:50]  * ITAL0 daftykins | # apt-get install build-essential
[18:50] <ITAL0> Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto
[18:50] <ITAL0> Generazione albero delle dipendenze
[18:51] <ITAL0> all alredy installed
[18:51] <zarbula> anyone know a good Samba guide for ubuntu for a total newbie?
[18:51] <zykotic10> ripthejacker: no file(s) should be required.  but be sure to "sudo apt-get update" after making the change.
[18:52] <ripthejacker> zykotic10: okay , thanks
[18:52] <ripthejacker> :)
[18:52] <daftykins> ITAL0: ok, then i can only suggest you look up guides on installing virtualbox the appropriate way for ubuntu - it seems you might be doing it a non-standard way perhaps
[18:52] <daftykins> Crazyzurfer: hmm it seems 3.8.0 is the newest kernel that 13.04 will get, assuming you're fully upgraded, you might have to install a newer kernel to fix this issue, but that would be beyond my experience level
[18:53] <ITAL0> daftykins,  | I have debian 6.06 amd64 installed too, and there is go
[18:53] <Crazyzurfer> daftykins: An beyond mine as well
[18:53] <Crazyzurfer> daftykins: anyway, is not that annoying
[18:53] <ITAL0> here with lubuntu 12.10 amd64 no
[18:54] <daftykins> ITAL0: sure but are you installing virtualbox through a download or from the repos?
[18:54] <ITAL0> daftykins, | must I install ubuntu and try again ? what is the better relese to run VM
[18:54] <ITAL0> from download, from repos it was more old
[18:55] <ITAL0> let me see repos have 4.1.18
[18:55] <daftykins> ITAL0: i have a feeling you have to download the v3.x.x kernel source, then symlink the path it said was missing to that source folder - but that would be more of a hack and probably not the supported method
[18:57]  * ITAL0 daftykins so the different kernels link update is a problem
[18:57] <daftykins> ITAL0: it's a total guess :)
[18:58] <ITAL0> daftykins, I supposed it , but I'm not so expert to understand it
[18:58] <Wavesonics> hey is anyone here using Ubuntu Phone as their daily driver?
[18:58]  * ITAL0 daftykins so is it better I install a "clear" version of ubuntu and after instal virtual box?
[18:59] <daftykins> ITAL0: is that not what your lubuntu installation is? clean?
[18:59] <booh> http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd#.Ulb2p1NMfk0  <-- I try to follow this link but sys is not found to mount
[19:00] <ITAL0> daftykins, | I did many apt-get update upgrade and I added any repository as back n other
[19:00] <ITAL0> maybe anything is changed from original configuration
[19:01] <semitones> Can I get help troubleshooting my USB Drive? fdisk says that /dev/sdb is "read only" and won't interact with it, seemingly. I don't know what's going on. I just want to reformat it
[19:02] <mrrcp> anyone here a screen / irssi expert?
[19:02] <arthurdent> where are upstart scripts stored?
[19:02] <arthurdent> or how does that system work
[19:02] <Zal> mrrcp, what are the requirements for expertise?
[19:03] <mrrcp> lol
[19:03] <mrrcp> Zal: im having a issue with it not BEEP
[19:03] <ezra-s> arthurdent, check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpstartHowto
[19:03] <mrrcp> when my name is called out
[19:03] <mrrcp> is there a trick to get it to work with 12.04?
[19:03] <Zal> mrrcp, no clue here, but I suggest asking your specific question to the channel. Actually, I suggest you try #irssi instead.
[19:04] <mrrcp> its not a irssi issue
[19:04] <Zal> how do you know?
[19:04] <mrrcp> because i know
[19:04] <Zal> oh, psychic! cool, good luck
[19:04] <arthurdent> ezra-s: i guess i meant initctl
[19:05] <mrrcp> its a screen or ubuntu issue
[19:05] <Zal> mrrcp, maybe someone else who is also psychic will answer your unasked question.
[19:05] <daftykins> semitones: is it read only mounted if you type "mount" ?
[19:06] <semitones> let me check
[19:07] <mrrcp> Zal duck a sick
[19:07] <semitones> daftykins, it does not appear on mount
[19:07] <eer> What is the difference between pts and tty?
[19:07] <Tylertwo> semitones, Has it always been read-only?
[19:08] <semitones> Tylertwo, no not always. I tried reformatting it with dd, and after that it was read only
[19:08] <OerHeks> eer A tty is a native terminal device, pty  is pseudo terminal device
[19:09] <eer> OerHeks, what does that mean?
[19:09] <Tylertwo> semitones, I did the same thing once. I solved by using gparted to wipe the usb and that made it writeable again
[19:09] <kostkon> mrrcp, the pcskr module is not loaded in ubuntu and for the one emulated by libcanberra/pulseaudio i think there isn't a file associated with that by default in ubuntu/ubuntu's audio theme
[19:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> don't suppose you folks would be willing to assist in the creation of a hirens boot usb?
[19:09] <OerHeks> eer,  pty (pseudo terminal device) is a terminal device which is emulated by an other program (example: xterm, screen, or ssh are such programs)
[19:09] <kostkon> event*
[19:09] <semitones> Tylertwo, daftykins , I initially tried gparted, but it won't touch the drive either, because /dev/sdb is read only
[19:10] <mrrcp> kostkon: do you know of a site or a fix ?
[19:10] <daftykins> semitones: nasty, i take it there are no physical switches to write protect on the device?
[19:10] <semitones> there are none, but good call
[19:10] <eer> OerHeks, and tty is what I get when I press control+alt+f1 for example?
[19:10] <semitones> maybe some hardware is broken, acting as a physical switch would
[19:10] <OerHeks> eer yes
[19:11] <eer> OerHeks, thx
[19:11] <daftykins> semitones: do you have another OS you could write a new partition table with?
[19:11] <Tylertwo> semitones, What is the error message gparted gives you?
[19:12] <semitones> daftykins, I tried with windows first and it said read only. I'm starting to think it's just irreversibly broken
[19:12] <semitones> Tylertwo, at first gparted said IO error. I don't know what it would say now
[19:12] <kostkon> mrrcp, not really. either try loading the module or try to add a file for the beep event or whatever is called in your sound settings if you have ubuntu i guess there shouls be a sound effects tab there
[19:12] <booh> Since I update, I have this problem :ubuntu gave up waiting for root device:  and trying to enter in busybox but fail too with something about modeprobe timemout.
[19:13] <Tylertwo> semitones, Try it again and see?
[19:13] <daftykins> semitones: hmm i have heard flash drives die into a read only state, but there's also a lot of talk on google results of this situation. you're not the first to ask too
[19:13] <mrrcp> screw it
[19:13] <daftykins> semitones: my favourite Windows command is running 'diskpart' followed by 'clean' to nuke any trace. worth giving that a go?
[19:14] <semitones> writing that down
[19:14] <daftykins> semitones: well, you have to select the chosen disk before 'clean' :D
[19:14] <daftykins> semitones: so run diskpart, eventually a prompt comes up - then "list disk", look in the table for the appropriate device based on size in MB, then "select disk #" where # = a number value from the table, then 'clean' on its' own
[19:15] <daftykins> ugh why do i always mix my quotes
[19:15] <semitones> daftykins, yeah gparted says IO error still.
[19:15] <semitones> Thanks for helping me troubleshoot this, I'm pretty sure it's broken now if gparted keeps getting that error
[19:16] <honestemu> How does one get xdotool to open applications in a specific workspace?
[19:16] <Tylertwo> semitones, Maybe it's different for us since I wrote the dd to sdb1 and you wrote it to sdb
[19:17] <honestemu> I checked the manpage, but the command that allows me to do that, isn't working.
[19:17] <daftykins> semitones: ah, that was a windows program though (diskpart) ok, last idea would be USB ports on the motherboard or not (if it's a desktop).
[19:18] <Territoriojoven> How can I install opera next in *buntu?
[19:20] <jhutchins> semitones: You are doing this as root, right?
[19:20] <jhutchins> !opera
[19:20] <MarkovB> Unknown command
[19:21] <jhutchins> MarkovB: Which Unknown command?
[19:21] <sqldude443> Apparently my bot joined this channel for some reason, sorry. Made him leave.
[19:21] <Argh> Hi. In ubuntu 10 how do I get a non-x environment from boot? x server is failing some kind of sanity check & I can't access terminals so need straight from boot
[19:22] <arthurdent> add single to the kernel params via grub, maybe
[19:22] <zykotic10> Argh: 1) ubuntu 10.* is no longer supported (on desktops) 2) see "/msg ubottu text" for details in booting to console
[19:23] <arthurdent> so hit e when grub comes up and add "single" to the end of the line that looks like linux /vmlinus-linux root= ...
[19:23] <dry[1]> Hi. How could I get Java working on my machine? Related thread here (specs and symptoms): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2171255
[19:23] <zykotic10> arthurdent: i don't thing "single" is correct...
[19:23] <kostkon> Argh, 10.04 is still supported, but only the server version.
[19:24] <arthurdent> zykotic10: pretty sure that's the right parameter
[19:24] <zykotic10> !text | arthurdent
[19:24] <arthurdent> oh ok, i guess single user mode might still try to boot X, huh
[19:27] <superjoe> hi -  I have a couple questions about opengl and ubuntu. if I do glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version" I get 3.0
[19:28] <superjoe> I also have steam installed - I can play tf2 and such
[19:28] <arthurdent> dry[1]: you have 64 bit java installed only, i'm pretty sure
[19:28] <superjoe> I'm wondering if that is using 3.0 or if somehow it's using a different opengl version
[19:28] <arthurdent> dry[1]: or you are missing 32-bit opengl libraries
[19:28] <daftykins> superjoe: what's the benefit to knowing?
[19:28] <dry[1]> arthurdent: thx, I'll check that
[19:29] <superjoe> I'm starting to write some opengl code and I'm deciding what version of opengl to support
[19:29] <arthurdent> dry[1]: it's the opengl libraries and not the java architecture, not sure what you need to install though, sorry
[19:29] <ampw> how do i format my usb drive
[19:30] <superjoe> ampw, unetbootin
[19:30] <ampw> thanks!
[19:30] <kostkon> superjoe, the lowest possible maybe?
[19:30] <superjoe> ampw, if you wanted to make it bootable. otherwise use gparted
[19:30] <ampw> superjoe: i just want to remove all of the drives content
[19:30] <superjoe> ampw, gparted
[19:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Quick question: Can the mini.iso be used to upgrade existing Ubuntu installs, or only to perform clean installs?
[19:32] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: it's mini - it has nothing on it
[19:34] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia: I guess that answers my question... I guess I should ask "is the way the mini.iso works capable of upgrading existing installs?
[19:34] <SonikkuAmerica> "
[19:34] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: how would that happen ? there is no data on it, it pulls things from the internet
[19:34] <kordis> Hi, I just installed Xubuntu and mb sb can explain me why when I write apt-get update and then upgrade it says everything is installed, but software center says there are 7 more possible updates
[19:34] <kordis> I thought apt-get checks everything and upgrades it
[19:35] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia: And the rephrase game goes on... I know it just pulls stuff from the Internet, but can the install process detect and give the option to upgrade an existing install?
[19:35] <Tylertwo> kordis, This might help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/141119/what-is-the-equivalent-terminal-command-of-update-manager
[19:36] <zykotic10> kordis: using apt-get you need "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to install everything (like the GUI does by default)
[19:36] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: what are you talking about ??? you just use update-manager
[19:36] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: why do you need the mini-iso to do that
[19:36] <superjoe> kordis, I believe that the updates which require restart (such as new kernel versions) are not installed with the upgrade command
[19:36] <ikonia> or why are you even considering the mini iso
[19:36] <daftykins> SonikkuAmerica: what's the plan? are you trying to use supplied offline packages?
[19:36] <superjoe> kordis, but you can use "dist-upgrade" to include those
[19:36] <kostkon> kordis, maybe it's a case of partial upgrade so you need the dist-upgrade cmd
[19:39] <kostkon> kordis, the update manager in ubuntu prompts you for a partial upgrade in cases e.g. when a pacakge is to be removed and replaced by another that has a different name, major jumps in versions etc
[19:40] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia, daftykins: Well, ... my situation is rather awkward... the hardware I'm running has a dead fan, and my new computer is getting repaired. Performing a release upgrade cia [ do-release-upgrade -d ] (to 13.10 RC that is) would take longer than the system has before the temp sensor detects a burning CPU and switches the computer off. Granted that the mini.iso uses a CLI equivalent to pull stuff from the Net, I'd figure that
[19:40] <antar> Hi people my skype sound is so bad on ubuntu ?
[19:40] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia, daftykins: ... be able to complete itself. See what I mean?
[19:40] <daftykins> SonikkuAmerica: surely upgrading is a bad idea then? :)
[19:40] <daftykins> SonikkuAmerica: surely drive substitution to another system would be more successful?
[19:40] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: it doesn't work like that, and it would cause the same overheaing
[19:41] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: the load will be from the checking of the packages, not running a gui
[19:41] <kostkon> antar, you need to clarify which one, the one you are receiving or the one you are sending
[19:41] <antar> Guys
[19:41] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: to be honest, I believe it would be unwise to upgrade to a development version while suffering a hardware problem, it's asking for trouble
[19:41] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia, daftykins: Well, I won't try to argue against hardware reasoning... it was a shot... I guess 13.04 will be the last OS this hardware sees.
[19:41] <antar> kostkon, The one that i am receive
[19:41] <kostkon> antar, ok
[19:42] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia, daftykins: (After all, I got a C- in a hardware class) Thanks anyway.
[19:42] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: do-release-upgrade pulls stuff from the net, the same speed as the mini-iso would pull it from the net, so you'd still hit the same time limit problem
[19:43] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia: I would think, however, running a GUI would put more load on the overall MB temperature though (as it's doing now)
[19:43] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: you'd still hit the same issue when the packages install and the cpu load goes through the roof doing verification
[19:43] <antar> kostkon, Where are you
[19:44] <Valdus> all: hi, i installed kubuntu and xubuntu and now my bootup time is like 3 times longer, so i tried to uninstall them but i don't think i got everything.  does anyone have a good guide on how to eradicate everything related to kubuntu and xubuntu? i googled around but nothing does it 100% yet
[19:44] <ikonia> SonikkuAmerica: instead of using the mini-iso you could simple shutdown X to prove this, but you'll hit the same issues in my view
[19:44] <daftykins> i agree with ikonia, update installation is just too intensive
[19:45] <SonikkuAmerica> ikonia: Typically killing the X server seems to help... maybe I should time it. Thank you and daftykins for your help though.
[19:45] <honestemu> Can anyone recommend a tool to  start  applications on login  in specific workspaces?
[19:45] <wilee-nilee> Valdus, this site has lists of desktop packages. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/
[19:46] <antar> kostkon,
[19:46] <antar> Guys i have a problem with skype for ubuntu
[19:46] <Valdus> wilee-nilee: thank you once again!
[19:47] <zykotic10> honestemu: while i believe it's possible with KDE, i'm unaware of a tool to do it for Gnome/Unity.  best of luck.
[19:48] <honestemu> zykotic10: Is Gnome/Unity the default on Ubuntu?
[19:48] <zykotic10> honestemu: yes.
[19:49] <honestemu> zykotic10: I never tried KDE. Would you recommend I try it?
[19:49] <zykotic10> honestemu: personally, i would not.  but others like it.
[19:50] <honestemu> zykotic10: Is the difference between KDE and Gnome/Unity just the GUI? Is there any internal differences?
[19:51] <zykotic10> honestemu: well KDE uses QT under the hood, while gnome uses GTK.  but the main difference, is the GUI/Programs...
[19:57] <arthurdent> are there any verbose flags for initctl?
[20:00] <Dwarf> Evening. My flash doesn't have sound, mpd works fine.
[20:01] <Dwarf> So does mplayer.
[20:01] <Dwarf> System sounds work
[20:02] <sunny_le> i am installing qemu from synaptic, there are other packages that get installed along with it, but when i type apt-get install qemu only qemu package is installed. how can i install the qemu package with dependency ?
[20:03] <vemacs> sunny_le: they are already installed.
[20:03] <vemacs> if you removed qemu and then tried installing it
[20:03] <vemacs> you need to apt-get autoremove to remove those dependencies
[20:04] <sunny_le> vemacs, installed qemu for the first time.
[20:04] <arthurdent> why is there virtually no support for mint?
[20:04] <compdoc> sunny_le, you probably want to install qemu-kvm
[20:04] <daftykins> arthurdent: only official ubuntu support in here. all derivatives must find their own channels
[20:05] <arthurdent> daftykins: i'm completely aware. the mint support channels are completely useless
[20:05] <ikonia> that's not true at all
[20:05] <irate_badger_467> I have a laptop running a fresh install of ubuntu server 13.04. It's connecting to the internet via wifi - how can I bridge its wifi and ethernet ports so that another machine can share its internet connection?
[20:05] <kostkon> arthurdent, much smaller number of users compared to ubuntu
[20:05] <daftykins> arthurdent: sadly that doesn't mean you can ask in here as a fallback
[20:05] <sunny_le> i have 2 ubuntu machine, where i tried installing qemu for the first machine through synaptic it installed multiple packages like qemu-system-*
[20:05] <arthurdent> daftykins: i know, i haven't asked anything. it's an upstart problem, but it's an upstart problem with the forked gdm (mdm)
[20:06] <daftykins> sunny_le: if they truly are dependancies then they'd be pulled in as well.
[20:06] <sunny_le> in other machine through cli i installed qemu but didn't installed the other packages.
[20:06] <arcsky> isnt wierd i can connect to my company exchange mail from my iphone but not from thunderbird. does anyone know something better than thunderbird?
[20:06] <daftykins> sunny_le: is it actually failing to run?
[20:06] <sunny_le> daftykins, it runs without an error
[20:06] <daftykins> sunny_le: then just use it and be happy? :)
[20:06] <sunny_le> compdoc, no i am looking for qemu and not qemu-kvm
[20:07] <compdoc> sunny_le, so you cpu doesnt include VT?
[20:07] <compdoc> your
[20:07] <kostkon> sunny_le, what's your cpu
[20:07] <zykotic10> sunny_le: does your CPU support virtualization?  if it does, you really DO want qemu-kvm - it's MUCH faster
[20:07] <sunny_le> daftykins, i want to emulate sparc architecture, when installed qemu i didn't got qemu-system-sparc
[20:07] <Dwarf> No idea on why my flash doesn't have sound, and everything else does?
[20:08] <compdoc> cool
[20:08] <sunny_le> compdoc, kostkon and zykotic10 yeah it does support VT, currently i am using KVM successfully.
[20:08] <kostkon> sunny_le, btw there is a nice gui for qemu qemulator
[20:09] <sunny_le> kostkon, great
[20:09] <zykotic10> Dwarf: are you using Pulse?  or just ALSA?
[20:09] <Dwarf> Alsa
[20:09] <beautiful-loser> hi
[20:09] <zykotic10> Dwarf: "cat /proc/asound/cards" do you have more then one listed?  is the card you want to use card 0?
[20:10] <Dwarf> Only one card is listed
[20:10] <arthurdent> is there a common reason upstart might say "x stop/waiting" instead of starting a service?
[20:10] <zykotic10> Dwarf: humm, i got nothing to suggest then.  best of luck.
[20:10] <sunny_le> till i know, qemu is for those hardware in which VT is not present is that correct ?
[20:10] <arthurdent> or a way to debug the problem
[20:10] <irate_badger_467> Is there a better channel to ask about networking on Ubuntu Server?
[20:10] <Dwarf> Flash is the only thing that isn't working, mpd and the system sounds work perfectly
[20:10] <ikonia> arthurdent: take it to the mint channel please.
[20:11] <Dwarf> irate_badger_467: Try ##networking
[20:11] <sunny_le> irate_badger_467, join #ubuntu-server and ##networking
[20:11] <arthurdent> ikonia: i asked there two hours ago nobody has said anything
[20:11] <irate_badger_467> Dwarf: Ok, thanks!
[20:11] <arthurdent> this is a general question about upstart
[20:11] <ikonia> arthurdent: yes, you also told someone off for asking suse support in mint - now you're asking for mint support in #ubuntu - stop it
[20:11] <ikonia> arthurdent: take it to the mint channel
[20:11] <Pici> arthurdent: Then ask in the #upstart channel.  Not here.
[20:11] <arthurdent> Pici: thank you, i didn't know there was an upstart channel
[20:12] <sunny_le> through which command i can know about the dependency of a package ?
[20:13] <kostkon> sunny_le, try apt-cache info package_name
[20:13] <Dwarf> Also: Flash crashes on youtube after 3 seconds
[20:13] <Pici> sunny_le: apt-cache show packagename
[20:13] <kostkon> sorry apt-cache show yeah
[20:14] <zykotic10> sunny_le: personally, i like "apt-cache depends foo" or for the reverse, "apt-cache rdepends foo"
[20:15] <sunny_le> zykotic10, what is rdepends ?  in reverse but like how ?
[20:15] <sunny_le> kostkon, it didn't worked , pici it worked
[20:15] <zykotic10> sunny_le: reverse-dependencies, what packages depend on it.
[20:15] <sunny_le> zykotic10, great
[20:18] <Dwarf> Problem solved: apparmor blocked firefox from using the sound system?
[20:18] <Dwarf> I guess
[20:19] <eer> How can one get help on the /etc/sudoers file?
[20:20] <zykotic10> eer: do you just want to give a user permission to use sudo?
[20:20] <ninnjja> do I have to partitionate HD to install ubuntu?
[20:20] <anon12> How do I set a usb wireless adapter to act as a hotspot, capture packets, and forward them to either wlan0 tun0 or eth0 from wlan1 depending upon the active internet connection?
[20:21] <eer> zykotic10, no . I want to understand how the /etc/sudoers file works and what its content means
[20:21] <zykotic10> eer: i see.  best of luck.
[20:21] <wheatthin> eer,  man sudo
[20:21] <Pici> eer: man 5 sudoers
[20:21] <eer> wheatthin, nope. nothing in there about /etc/sudoers syntax
[20:22] <wheatthin> eer, there is really no syntax
[20:22] <Pici> eer: or just man sudoers  I guess.  I tend to explictly ask about file formats with section 5 by habit.
[20:22] <Pici> wheatthin: sure there is.
[20:23] <eer> thx
[20:23] <anon12> eer, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers
[20:24] <anon12> How do I set a usb wireless adapter to act as a hotspot, capture packets, and forward them to either wlan0 tun0 or eth0 from wlan1 depending upon the active internet connection?
[20:24] <anon12> got disconnected
[20:25] <MonkeyDust> !ics | anon12 you mean this?
[20:29] <nopf> hi. so i'm installing (saucy) to a server which has "lsi software raid 1" or such, i'm using lvm (which i do not fully understand or maybe have forgotten how to use) and i just do not know where to put grub and how that shoould work
[20:31] <daftykins> nopf: #ubuntu+1 for saucy.
[20:32] <nopf> daftykins: yeah, i'm just asking there. still i think i do understand something basically wrong, which is not saucy specific...
[20:32] <daftykins> sure, but let's say something in what you want to do was broken, they'd be able to say!
[20:33] <nopf> yeah, you're right. will stay in there with this problem, ok
[20:40] <Dwarf> Ugh
[20:40] <Dwarf> Seriously considering going back to another distro
[20:40] <Dwarf> I thought ubuntu was supposed to be easy
[20:40] <Dwarf> If I plug in my headphones it won't detect them. Sound plays on both the speakers and headphone.
[20:44] <arthurdent> for anyone curious, I solved the upstart problem. apparently when upstart reads /etc/profile, it chokes if it contains "source script" instead of ". script", not sure why this is (i assume it's running /etc/profile with sh instead of bash, i just don't understand why)
[20:45]  * repudiate applauds arthurdent for solving the upstart problem!
[20:45] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, for a quick dirty fix, if you have a HP jack on your speakers , use that , normally that will mute the speakers
[20:46] <Dwarf> I tried all my holes and it continues to play over the speakers
[20:46] <Dwarf> I'll load snd-hda-intel and see how it goes
[20:46] <bekks> arthurdent: Of course /bin/bash isnt used, because it isnt the default shell in Ubuntu.
[20:46] <repudiate> arthurdent:  intelligent people are more susceptible to
[20:46] <repudiate>                    depression.
[20:46] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, isd this a laptop?
[20:46] <repudiate> arthurdent: http://i.imgur.com/stNSaaY.png
[20:46] <Dwarf> Yes
[20:47] <nopf> Dwarf: in extreme cases you could have luck with gnome-alsamixer, it has much more buttons than the normal sound controls...
[20:47] <Dwarf> CLI alsamixer has all settings iirc
[20:48] <arthurdent> bekks: I don't use ubuntu personally, i just maintain it for a bunch of other machines, the distro just symlinks sh to bash, so source works fine.
[20:48] <arthurdent> the distro I use*
[20:48] <nopf> Dwarf: yeah, should be the same. so you have tried that? sometimes it's a strange combination of ~3 switches in the correct order to get to the wanted result
[20:48] <Dwarf> I've checked everything, pretty sure that loading the snd-hda-intel will fix it, altho it has been a while since I've fiddled with it so I'm looking up the syntax now
[20:52] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[20:52] <Dwarf> lspci already shows "Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel"
[20:54] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, pavucontrol might help with the HP settings/device outputs
[20:54] <Dwarf> I'm using alsa
[20:54] <Nerve> what's alsa?
[20:55] <kostkon> Dwarf, did you remove pulse or using lubuntu
[20:55] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, alsa needs pavucontrol , it's setup as a gui for the pulsdeaudio sound server , a necessary evil :P
[20:56] <Dwarf> I only installed the base ubuntu system and installed MATE
[20:56] <Dwarf> Which uses alsa
[20:56] <Dwarf> afaik
[20:56] <Ben64> dwarf: mate is not supported here
[20:56] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, run pulseaudio in the terminal , see what results
[20:56] <kostkon> Dwarf, it does? actually pulse sits on top of alsa, doesn't replace it
[20:56] <kostkon> Dwarf, ps -A | grep pulse
[20:57] <Dwarf> BluesKaj: No such command, kostkon: Nothing
[20:57] <kostkon> not even ps?!
[20:57] <Dwarf> Like I said, I only have alsa
[20:57] <Dwarf> Good ol' alsa
[20:57] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, which command?
[20:57] <kostkon> !find ps
[20:58] <Dwarf> BluesKaj: zsh: command not found: pulseaudio
[20:58] <kostkon> oh
[20:58] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, so you purged it ?
[20:58] <Dwarf> I never installed it
[20:59] <Ben64> Dwarf: its installed by default on ubuntu, are you sure you have ubuntu and not mint
[20:59] <BluesKaj> it should install bt default
[20:59] <BluesKaj> by
[20:59] <Dwarf> Ben64: I did a netinstall of ubuntu, installing only the base system, then I installed X and MATE
[20:59] <Ben64> well we can't support such a system
[20:59] <Guest83138> hello
[20:59] <joncam> Hello ubuntu-folk!  I'm looking to buy a new laptop, and am rather picky in the hardware specs.  I'm mostly looking at Lenovos; and cross-checking hardware against the official lists and such.  I'd love any recommendations of other vendors that have great hardware that tends to be Linux-friendly
[21:00] <Dwarf> Of course you can, ubuntu is ubuntu, the desktop environment is in no way a deciding factor, Ben64
[21:00] <bekks> !hcl | joncam
[21:00] <Ben64> yes it is
[21:00] <Guest83138> hallo
[21:00] <ikonia> Dwarf: it is when it's a 3rd party repo that pulls in different dependencies
[21:01] <joncam> bekks: Thanks, I'm checking against that, but it tends to be out of date; and not exactly friendly to use
[21:01] <Dwarf> So if I were to boot without GUI and my sound still did the same you could support me?
[21:01] <Dwarf> Cause if that's the case I'll boot without starting X
[21:01] <ikonia> Dwarf: no, as your 3rd party repo still pulls in those dependencies
[21:01] <BluesKaj> Dwarf, good luck with websites that use flash-audio
[21:02] <DirtyHarry> hello
[21:02] <kostkon> Dwarf, jack sense works fine on my hp netbook and mind you it has a mobile phone type mini jack plug
[21:03] <DirtyHarry> need some help with nm-connection-manager
[21:03] <DirtyHarry> get error :
[21:03] <DirtyHarry> ** (nm-connection-editor:918): WARNING **: Icon nm-vpn-standalone-lock missing: Error opening file: No such file or directory
[21:03] <DirtyHarry> ** (nm-connection-editor:918): WARNING **: Failed to initialize the UI, exiting...
[21:03] <FloodBot1> DirtyHarry: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:03] <kostkon> Dwarf, that can accept both regular mini jack plugs (2 rings) and the ones with 3 rings
[21:04] <anon12> Does anyone know how to setup internet sharing with the client connecting to a usb wireless card on wlan1 and forwarding it to either wlan0 or eth0 while also capturing the packets as a mitm? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing has not helped
[21:05] <ikonia> anon12: don't snoop on people
[21:05] <anon12> it is my own device
[21:05] <anon12> I want to see what type of packets its sending
[21:05] <kostkon> Dwarf, in other words, one input for mic headphones or headset :/
[21:05] <ikonia> anon12: don't try to snoop on people
[21:07] <Dwarf> k well
[21:07] <Dwarf> thanks for the support?
[21:08] <DirkyHarry> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6219766/
[21:08] <anon12> ikonia, how do I set the connection sharing up?
[21:08] <kostkon> Dwarf, i said that to point out that im using vanilla ubuntnu with pulse etc and it works fine.
[21:09] <ikonia> !ics | anon12
[21:09] <Dwarf> Aye, but it's different hardware and different software, it's doesn't really compare
[21:09] <anon12> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing has not worked
[21:10] <ikonia> anon12: it works fine
[21:10] <kostkon> Dwarf, what's the laptop model
[21:10] <Dwarf> Dell l501x
[21:10] <Dwarf> Works fine on debian, too
[21:10] <Dwarf> Strangely
[21:10] <anon12> ikonia, the connection does not work when the client tries connecting to the host computer
[21:10] <ikonia> anon12: that guide works fine
[21:11] <xsi> Who knows how to remain a delimiter when " | cut -f 1 -d ";" " ?
[21:11] <anon12> ikonia,  Why does the connection not complete from the client to the host?
[21:11] <ikonia> anon12: you'll have to check that, firewall ?
[21:12] <anon12> ikonia, what do I need to modify about the firewall?
[21:12] <Dwarf> anon12: paste the output of "iptables -nvL" for me will you?
[21:13] <kostkon> Dwarf, so maybe your custom install could be missing something. i can't find any bugs related to the problem youve got and the laptop model except this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/829843
[21:14] <anon12> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6219795/
[21:14] <kostkon> Dwarf, you could also plug and unplug the headphones and then check your dmesg for example
[21:15] <Dwarf> anon12: Nothing is blocked
[21:15] <DirkyHarry> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6219766/
[21:16] <anon12> Dwarf, does that mean the firewall is not an issue?
[21:16] <kostkon> Dwarf, usually the kernel creates an event when you od it that then gets picked up by pulse. i don't know what happens at the alsa level though
[21:18] <raub> If networkmanager does nto write the dhcp client stuff to /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases, where does it do it then?
[21:18] <DirkyHarry> list
[21:19] <jmknsd> Has there been some change made to Intel graphics drivers recently? I've had my laptop lock up for the second time today while not doing anything particularly strenuous.
[21:19] <kostkon> jmknsd, no intel updaes recently, on 12.04 at least
[21:19] <kostkon> related*
[21:20] <jmknsd> hmm. It's been fine up until a few days ago.
[21:20] <jmknsd> It might be related to having a second monitor hooked up
[21:20] <Marlenee> how to downalod files from sourceforge directly using CLI ?
[21:20] <kostkon> jmknsd, thats a possibility
[21:21] <auronandace> Marlenee: man wget
[21:21] <kostkon> Marlenee, with wget or curl?
[21:21] <Marlenee> i try " curl -L -O link " not work
[21:21] <tutak> Hello everybody im still using ubuntu 11.10
[21:22] <DirkyHarry> nm-connection-editor:918): WARNING **: Failed to initialize the UI, exiting..
[21:22] <tutak> thought i would do the update coz i have trouble installing packages
[21:22] <jmknsd> where is the first place to look for why my machine locked up?
[21:22] <auronandace> tutak: 11.10 is no longer supported
[21:22] <jmknsd> poking around /var/log, but I am not sure what I'm looking for.
[21:22] <kostkon> !eol | tutak, start from here
[21:23] <tutak> auronandace, i know. do you know of a guide of the things i should do to have a smooth transition? i have some pretty ugly experience with these updates where i have had to do a clean reinstall
[21:23] <kostkon> tutak, i just did that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[21:23] <jmknsd> I think it's the same error I had before "[drm:i915_hangcheck_hung] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung    [drm] capturing error event; look for more information in /debug/dri/0/i915_error_state"
[21:24] <Marlenee> i need someone know how to downalod from sourceforge Using CLI !!
[21:24] <kostkon> Marlenee, try with wget
[21:25] <auronandace> tutak: i always clean install
[21:25] <kostkon> Marlenee, wget URL
[21:25] <bekks> Marlenee: use wget, curl or axel.
[21:25] <tutak> kostkon, thanks for the link
[21:25] <tutak> auronandace, but what about the configurations and the software you have installed?
[21:25] <tutak> you all start from scratch?
[21:25] <Marlenee> wget is download just page
[21:26] <auronandace> tutak: doesn't take that long to get it back up and running
[21:27] <Petazz> Why is there only v 0.10 for ubuntu in the repos?
[21:27] <Petazz> For node.js :)
[21:27] <auronandace> !latest | Petazz
[21:27] <kostkon> Petazz, node.js is something you could download from its site. it's a js lib
[21:27] <JennyUSA> hello
[21:28] <JennyUSA> need some help pls
[21:28] <Petazz> kostkon: Maybe I'll dl and install it from there. thx
[21:33] <rypervenche> JennyUSA: Ask your question :)
[21:40] <ampw> is there another way to change a file into an executable file
[21:40] <CyclicFlux> Hello all!!!
[21:40] <ampw> chmod +x does this?
[21:41] <CyclicFlux> I had a bit of a problem, and though I know a few ways of fixing it, I wanted to get a few opinions on the best.
[21:41] <bekks> ampw: chmod +x sets the executable bit. It doesnt magically change the file contents. What are you trying to do?
[21:41] <CyclicFlux> During my upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10. The power at my house went off, thus cutting the power to the machine.  Thus, interrupting mid upgrade.
[21:42] <ampw> bekks: i want to make my .sh file executable
[21:42] <JennyUSA> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6219766/
[21:42] <JennyUSA> nm-connection-editor refuses to start because some icon is missing,
[21:42] <JennyUSA> i tried already: "sudo gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor" - didnt help
[21:42] <Ben64> CyclicFlux: should have stayed on 12.04, 14.04 is coming in 6 months
[21:42] <CyclicFlux> I went to boot the system again, the purple Ubuntu screen came on, and after just went to a black screen
[21:42] <Tylertwo> !permissions | ampw
[21:42] <Tylertwo> ampw, yes, there are other ways than chmod +x
[21:42] <CyclicFlux> Ben64: Could woulda shoulda
[21:43] <CyclicFlux> Can I do a chroot, with my old 12.04 cd, and then continue the upgrade, or perhaps do it via the recovery mode
[21:43] <bekks> ampw: then it would work.
[21:43] <lesshaste> what's the nice way to add a ppa such as this one? https://launchpad.net/~pypy/+archive/ppa
[21:43] <lesshaste> it says sudo add-apt-repository ppa:user/ppa-name but I am not sure what ppa:user/ppa-name is in this case
[21:44] <OerHeks> lesshaste, ppa:pypy/ppa
[21:44] <Ben64> lesshaste: the exact command is on the page you linked to...
[21:44] <iceroot> lesshaste: You can update your system with unsupported packages from this untrusted PPA by adding ppa:pypy/ppa to your system's Software Sources.
[21:44] <bekks> lesshaste: The PPA you want to add.
[21:44] <iceroot> lesshaste: its directly on that page
[21:44] <eer> What is the command visudo used for? I don't get it.
[21:45] <lesshaste> thanks alll
[21:45] <lesshaste> sorry I didn't see it
[21:45] <iceroot> eer: man visudo
[21:45] <bekks> eer: visudo is used for editing /etc/sudoers
[21:45] <eer> yes, I understand but why not just use vi or nano? WHen using visudo I don't see a difference
[21:46] <iceroot> eer: man visudo
[21:46] <iceroot> eer: its the first sentence
[21:46] <iceroot> eer: why you should use visudo and not vim or nano
[21:47] <rubio> quit
[21:47] <MonkeyDust> eer  visudo uses the default editor, similar to 'sudo -e'
[21:48] <raub> eer: I honestly do not know. I myself just use vi.
[21:48] <raub> I do know vipw does try to remind you to also go mess with shadow, but sometimes I do not want to so it is annoying
[21:48] <iceroot> raub: never edit sudoers, passwd or shadow directly with an editor
[21:48] <eer> Got it. Thx
[21:48] <iceroot> raub: always use these tools like visudo
[21:49] <raub> iceroot: why? What do they do in addition to call the editor? And, in the case of vipw, want you to edit shadow too?
[21:49] <iceroot> raub: man visudo
[21:50] <iceroot> raub: as mentionend before, the first sentence explains very good why you should not edit these files directly
[21:50] <gordonjcp> raub: there's a bunch of sanity checking going on too
[21:50] <iceroot> raub: the same for man vipw
[21:51] <iceroot> man vigr and so on
[21:51] <gordonjcp> raub: if you edit with just vim and make a mess of it, you can lock yourself out of the system pretty easily
[21:51] <janisozaur> hi, a project i'm interested in (in c++) is taking really long to compile. is it possible to inspect what takes the compiler so long to process?
[21:51] <iceroot> janisozaur: ##c++, #gcc
[21:52] <gordonjcp> janisozaur: well if you examine the console messages, you'll see what it's currently working on
[21:52] <gordonjcp> janisozaur: some things have huge source files with lots of includes, which take a long time to grind through
[21:52] <raub> gordonjcp: Ok, I can accept the sanity check part.
[21:53] <raub> Kinda like using ldapvi
[21:53] <gordonjcp> raub: same sort of idea
[21:53] <eer> Anybody knows where one can change the Sudo editor permanently? Meaning edit the SUDO_EDITOR environment variable?
[21:53] <kostkon> eer, add it in your .bashrc?
[21:53] <gordonjcp> raub: one of the main reasons for using vipw, visudo and friends, and doing stuff like setting root passwords is that although it'll work, eventually you'll break something
[21:53] <kostkon> or maybe not. not sure
[21:53] <gordonjcp> raub: and then we'll all point and laugh
[21:54] <gordonjcp> *not setting
[21:54] <raub> gordonjcp: me included. I have no problems laughing at meself ;)
[21:54] <gordonjcp> raub: root logins are obsolete
[21:54] <iceroot> eer: Note that this can be a security hole since it allows the user to execute any program they wish simply by setting VISUAL or EDITOR.
[21:54] <gordonjcp> we've had sudo for 20-odd years
[21:54] <gordonjcp> iceroot: only with their own privs though
[21:54] <iceroot> eer: its disabled by default and need to be enabled during the compile
[21:55] <iceroot> gordonjcp: you always run visudo as root of course
[21:55] <gordonjcp> iceroot: right
[21:55] <iceroot> gordonjcp: so you can execute everything by just setting another editor
[21:55] <janisozaur> gordonjcp, the point is that each translation unit is taking looooong, so it is not something isolated to one file only
[21:55] <gordonjcp> iceroot: but you're root already
[21:55] <iceroot> gordonjcp: or you can "trick" the admin by setting up something bad in the editor variable
[21:56] <gordonjcp> iceroot: ie. you have to be root to run visudo
[21:56] <gordonjcp> iceroot: since you're already root, you can already run whatever weirdass binary you like
[21:56] <iceroot> gordonjcp: i will execute visudo and someone was making fun and set editor with rm -r "something bad"
[21:56] <gordonjcp> iceroot: but you can't set the editor for the root session
[21:56] <gordonjcp> iceroot: not unless you're root
[21:57] <janisozaur> gordonjcp, although based on the sole warning spitted out after (almost) every one of them, they might be doing some heavy includes there...
[21:57] <iceroot> gordonjcp: and?
[21:57] <gordonjcp> iceroot: so, your
[21:57] <gordonjcp> iceroot: so, your "security hole" really relies on anyone exploiting it already being root
[21:57] <gordonjcp> iceroot: which is a bit like saying that your car has a security hole, because if you have your car keys you can unlock it
[21:58] <iceroot> gordonjcp: i can also set the editor to "rm -r /home-of-someone" and someone is executing visudo as non-root and then he was an empty home, its like messing around with bad aliases
[21:58] <ikonia> if you set EDITOR to an invalid editor it will not execute
[21:58] <ikonia> it has to be a valid editor
[21:58] <ikonia> if they are not root they can't execute visudo
[21:59] <gordonjcp> iceroot: you can set it *only* for your session
[21:59] <ikonia> iceroot: you are trying to make a problem out of one that does not exist
[21:59] <iceroot> ikonia: like vim -c -e rm -r /something bad?
[21:59] <ikonia> iceroot: no, sorry, that's not an exceptable example
[21:59] <iceroot> ikonia: i am just refering to the manpage
[21:59] <ewol> hi
[21:59] <ewol> how do I install java for linux?
[22:00] <gordonjcp> !java | ewol
[22:00] <iceroot> ikonia: Note that this can be a security hole since it allows the user to execute any program they wish simply by setting VISUAL or EDITOR.
[22:00] <ikonia> iceroot: yes, and I'm just advising you, you are trying to make a problem out of something that doesn't exist
[22:00] <ikonia> iceroot: so ?
[22:00] <ikonia> iceroot: what do you acually want done
[22:00] <gordonjcp> iceroot: it's not much of a security hole, though
[22:00] <gordonjcp> iceroot: you can set EDITOR to something *in your session*
[22:00] <iceroot> ikonia:  i think that warning is there for a good reason, if i am looking how some exploits are working i would not say "its not a problem"
[22:00] <gordonjcp> iceroot: but you can run it anyway
[22:01] <gordonjcp> iceroot: you can't fiddle about with the root user's EDITOR variable
[22:01] <ikonia> iceroot: it isn't a problem for multiple reasons
[22:01] <iceroot> ok
[22:01] <iceroot> who cares
[22:01] <gordonjcp> iceroot: if you have a malicious user who has root, it would work but then you've got bigger problems anyway
[22:01] <iceroot> i dont use visudo, was just refering to the manpage
[22:01] <ikonia> iceroot: and again - why are you raising it, what do you want this channel to do about it ?
[22:02] <iceroot> ikonia: i was answering the question "why is visudo not using the editor variable by default"
[22:02] <ikonia> iceroot: have you actually looked if visudo is compiled with the --witn-env-editor option ?
[22:02] <iceroot> ikonia: because it is disabled and i was naming the reason
[22:02] <ikonia> iceroot: ah, so you're just flagging that it's not actually a problem as that compile option is not used ?
[22:02] <iceroot> ikonia: on my debian its not, on ubuntu i dont know
[22:02] <ikonia> iceroot: my apologies, I thought you where trying to raise it as an actual issue
[22:02] <iceroot> ikonia: no
[22:02] <ewol> how do I install java for linux?
[22:02] <ikonia> iceroot: my apologies
[22:02] <ewol> please
[22:03] <janisozaur> !java | ewol
[22:03] <iceroot> ewol: sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre
[22:03] <iceroot> !info openjdk-7-jre
[22:03] <ewol> iceroot: thanks bro
[22:03] <iceroot> ewol: but its installed by default if i am correct, maybe just the browser-plugin is missing?
[22:04] <iceroot> icedt or something like that was the name
[22:04] <ewol> iceroot: how do i enable it?
[22:04] <iceroot> ewol: read the link from ubottu
[22:12] <paulo> boa noite
[22:13] <paulo> alguem para teclar
[22:15] <dragonfly> paulo: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList#line-87
[22:16] <paulo> pt
[22:18] <janisozaur> !pt | paulo
[22:20] <reaby1> good evening
[22:29] <iklaros> hello
[22:30] <Martend> hi there :)
[22:33] <jhutchins> Greetings Earth Creature!
[22:33] <reaby> hello
[22:33] <mrrcp> hi
[22:34] <Martend> oh.. we arrived on Earth?
[22:34] <Martend> :)
[22:37] <ewol> I still cant get java working
[22:37] <ewol> can somebody help me?
[22:38] <ewol> please
[22:38] <ewol> ?
[22:40] <reaby> ewol: i got my java installation working using this tutorial: http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Oracle-Java-on-Ubuntu-Linux
[22:41] <iceroot> !details | ewol
[22:41] <iceroot> ewol: what from the infos from us and ubottu did you do and what is not working?
[22:42] <iceroot> reaby: that is unfree java which should not be used
[22:43] <reaby> iceroot, oh, sorry, well i need to run it since my ebanking service doens't work with any other
[22:43] <iceroot> ewol: sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre icedtea-plugin
[22:43] <iceroot> ewol: after that restart your browser
[22:44] <iceroot> reaby: ok
[22:45] <ewol> iceroot: ok thanks
[22:45] <LestatV> ls
[22:46] <LestatV> mt
[22:46] <Yans> Can somebody could give me an answer why empty trash take so long? Ubuntu 13.04 with Unity.
[22:47] <iceroot> Yans: not without details
[22:47] <cjwelborn> What do you have in there Yans?
[22:47] <cjwelborn> 45 full-length movies?
[22:48] <Yans> Whay You need? In Trash i have few old folders with icons, and some .png files. Max. 100 mb and when i press empty trash its only preparing around 10 min.
[22:48] <cjwelborn> Just checking.
[22:48] <iceroot> Yans: are there also files from other medias in the trash (network shares, usb and so on) the trash is always showing all trashes you have in your system (every device has its own trash)
[22:48] <Yans> No only from HDD. I dont even habe diffrent partitions.
[22:49] <Yans> So this is only from /home
[22:49] <iceroot> Yans: encrypted home and something is not mounted?
[22:50] <Yans> Ok, its finish. After preparing files are still inside trash... Fuckin wird \:
[22:50] <Yans> I make a screen, w8.
[22:50] <wilee-nilee> !language | Yans
[22:52] <quackgyver> Can someone tell me how to run a shell script?
[22:52] <quackgyver> I just created an .sh file in Ubuntu desktop and have no idea how to run it
[22:53] <Yans> Ok here You go - http://oi42.tinypic.com/15q6dtv.jpg
[22:53] <Yans> After
[22:54] <Yans> Files are still inside trash \: Whats can be wrong?
[22:56] <quackgyver> Anyone?
[22:57] <chaotic_good> so I got haproxy going but hatop needs a socket, and I cant seem to find that?
[22:57] <chaotic_good> help
[22:58] <Yans> Just great i cannot remove files from trash bin, $#@#%@
[22:59] <quackgyver> Can somebody tell me a) how to run a shell script b) how to remove a file association
[23:00] <quackgyver> Actually, nevermind. If something works against you, then there's no reason why you should work for it.
[23:00] <quackgyver> Giving up on porting my game to Linux.
[23:02] <cjwelborn> quack. to run a shell script, make sure it is executable (chmod +x myscript.sh), and then execute it (./myscript.py) or (bash myscript.py) or whatever shell you use
[23:02] <cjwelborn> woops. that .py slipped in there by habit.
[23:02] <lazors> Too late. He rageleft.
[23:02] <cjwelborn> oh well
[23:05] <chord> is there a way to use btrfs at fresh install
[23:07] <kirashi> hi
[23:10] <mrrcp> hi
[23:18] <Yans> Ok i resolved my problem.
[23:19] <Yans> Propably was too many files, thats why system had problem with deleting.
[23:20] <Yans> Simply log as root on terminal, go to .local/share/Trash and rm -R
[23:20] <Yans> Or also open midnight commander and delete files manualy.
[23:21] <Yans> Thats all, and "thanks" for your help. Brainzzz d;
[23:22] <Timkanpy> Hello !
[23:22] <mrrcp> Howdy
[23:23] <mrrcp> whats up Timkanpy
[23:23] <Timkanpy> I'm good, ty, what abt you ?
[23:23] <mrrcp> good
[23:23] <mrrcp> just chillin
[23:24] <Timkanpy> Is the weather cold where you are ,
[23:24] <Timkanpy> *?
[23:24] <mrrcp> uhm nope
[23:24] <mrrcp> well it is chilly
[23:24] <mrrcp> but not cold
[23:25] <Timkanpy> Okay ^^
[23:25] <Timkanpy> Hum may I ask something about ubuntu ?
[23:25] <mrrcp> yep
[23:25] <Timkanpy> Well, I just got Xubuntu installed on my computer, and I am having a hard time trying to figure out how to install flash player
[23:26] <Timkanpy> I've only used Windows until now (yes, I know, it is bad u_u)
[23:26] <OerHeks> Timkanpy, install xubuntu-restricted-extras, this will install flash, java and more webtools and codecs and such
[23:27] <mattwj2002> is 13.10 out yet?
[23:27] <Timkanpy> Oh, nice ! Where can I find it ?
[23:27] <swaagie> I keep getting i386 recommandations and held broken packages making apt-get essentially broken
[23:27] <k1l_> !saucy | mattwj2002 Timkanpy
[23:27] <mrrcp> Timkanpy: in terminal type   sudo apt-get install <package>
[23:27] <mattwj2002> why is 13.10 mentioned on the front page of ubuntu.com then?
[23:28] <Timkanpy> Okay, gonna try that
[23:28] <swaagie> tried all resolve/fix commands no avail
[23:28] <mrrcp> !apt-get
[23:28] <wilee-nilee> mattwj2002, this is support not canonical ask them.
[23:28] <Timkanpy> sorry for my noob questions, i am a complete beginner with unix
[23:28] <mattwj2002> sorry wilee-nilee
[23:28] <mrrcp> Timkanpy: there is actually a package manager
[23:29] <mrrcp> !muon
[23:29] <k1l_> mattwj2002: good question.
[23:29] <mattwj2002> that was just a rhetorical question
[23:29] <mrrcp> lol
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> this is support
[23:29] <Timkanpy> I have Xubuntu not Kubuntu, does it work the same ?
[23:29] <mrrcp> oo
[23:29] <mattwj2002> got it wilee-nilee
[23:29] <mrrcp> !xubuntu
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> Timkanpy, same as what?
[23:30] <Timkanpy> Xubuntu / Kubuntu
[23:30] <mrrcp> whats the package manager in xubuntu
[23:30] <swaagie> I wanted to resort to wine to get that piece of crap skype working, however I get wine depends on wine1.6 or wine1.7 now :/ any suggestions on how to fix that
[23:30] <mattwj2002> swaggie skype has a native app
[23:30] <Timkanpy> No idea, I think it is the thing called "logithèque"
[23:30] <wilee-nilee> Timkanpy, They are both the ubuntu base, with different desktops, and different and shared apps.
[23:31] <Timkanpy> Ok ty wilee-nilee
[23:31] <swaagie> mattwj2002: afaik they dont for 64bit
[23:32] <mattwj2002> swaggie yes they do
[23:32] <mattwj2002> http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/downloading/?type=ubuntu64
[23:32] <mattwj2002> :)
[23:32] <swaagie> errr
[23:32] <swaagie> i386
[23:32] <mattwj2002> what?
[23:33] <mattwj2002> it works in 64 bit though
[23:33] <mattwj2002> what is the problem?
[23:33] <swaagie> yeah it should
[23:33] <swaagie> like it did normally on my other workstation
[23:33] <swaagie> hopeless rabbit hole on laptop, for some reason it keeps refusing to install certain i386 deps
[23:34] <mattwj2002> weird
[23:34] <mattwj2002> what version of ubuntu are you running?
[23:34] <swaagie> yeah and it seems im now left with a pretty broken pacakge manager not even capable of installing  anything ese within resorted and asking for 32bit packages
[23:34] <swaagie> 13.04
[23:34] <wilee-nilee> swaagie, what release are you running
[23:34] <wilee-nilee> ah
[23:35] <mattwj2002> wilee-nilee: any ideas?
[23:35] <wilee-nilee> swaagie, pastebin sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:35] <swaagie> that sentence I typed was horror :)
[23:35] <Timkanpy> Thanks mrrcp, wilee-nilee , OerHeks for your help :D
[23:36] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: https://gist.github.com/Swaagie/6927340
[23:38] <wilee-nilee> swaagie, You have a number of ppa's I would look at them for these 1386 errors
[23:38] <wilee-nilee> i386*
[23:38] <swaagie> any specific, or just move em all out for now and retry?
[23:38] <Timkanpy> Aaaaaw it still doesn't work
[23:39] <ampw> wilee-nilee: is netflix working on ubuntu
[23:39] <wilee-nilee> ampw, no idea I never use it
[23:39] <ampw> ok thx
[23:39] <mrrcp> !backtrack
[23:40] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: just move all out, update, still same error
[23:40] <mrrcp> they quit making backtrack?
[23:41] <TheLordOfTime> mrrcp, backtrack's not on topic hre
[23:41] <wilee-nilee> swaagie, can you show the error
[23:41] <mrrcp> TheLordOfTime: really?
[23:41] <TheLordOfTime> mrrcp, if you read the ubottu message: There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes.
[23:41] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: see comment @ https://gist.github.com/Swaagie/6927340
[23:42] <TheLordOfTime> mrrcp, see the #kali-linux channel for any backtrack issues (per the Ubottu message)
[23:42] <Timkanpy> I am stucked on a message about ttf-mscorefonts-installer after I tried to install the package
[23:43] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: just double checked dpkg architecture, foreign is null and print will yield amd64 so that seems fine as well
[23:43] <wilee-nilee> swaagie, Please post every command with the lists, I never use wine I just use windows apps in windows.
[23:44] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: likewise, only not in this case :) what do you mean with every command btw?
[23:45] <swaagie> im not specifically after wine btw, more after skype, but that failed due to other i386 deps and now everything seems to resolve to that, I can retry everything I did with skype ofc
[23:45] <swaagie> couldn't care less about wine
[23:46] <ninjjaa> is intel opengl always worse in linux compared to windows?
[23:50] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: https://gist.github.com/Swaagie/6927503
[23:50] <centos_> sdf
[23:50] <centos_> asdf
[23:50] <swaagie> skype install attempt with insane logging xD
[23:50] <centos_> join #ruby
[23:52] <nausium> Does this channel offer any support for running steam under wine?
[23:52] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: lol nvm that was fail, will fix it
[23:52] <k1l_> !wine | nausium
[23:52] <OerHeks> nausium, no, but there is a native steam client.
[23:53] <nausium> I've been using the native client for some games but im trying to get a non-native game running
[23:53] <nausium> I'll keep screwing around with PoL, thanks though
[23:53] <OerHeks> !steam
[23:54] <ninjjaa> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_ivbmesa92_win7&num=3 why linux driver is worse? intel's fault or linux kernel is worse?
[23:54] <nausium> ill rephrase my question then, is there a way to install non-native games on the linux-native steam using wine or am i sol
[23:54] <swaagie> wilee-nilee: updated https://gist.github.com/Swaagie/6927503 with useful stuff up until  the point where i'm kinda got lost and tried shitloads
[23:55] <wilee-nilee> !ot | ninjjaa
[23:55] <k1l_> ninjjaa: do you have a actual support question? for general talk we have the -discuss and  -offtopic channel
[23:56] <k1l_> nausium: should i rephrase the message the bot gave you twice? :)
[23:56] <swaagie> starting skype will complain about a missing path now