| Unit193 | Anyone else notice that x11vnc no longer works with -auth guess ? | 00:07 |
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| Noskcaj_ | Did anyone look at bug 1189491 ? | 00:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1189491 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu 13.10 missing gtk2-engines package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189491 | 00:47 |
| micahg | ali1234: thanks! I'm on my way | 00:54 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: just commented on that bug | 00:55 |
| micahg | ochosi: andresz branch builds with the new libxfceui? It's asking for SONAME 1 | 00:55 |
| ochosi | micahg: yeah, you need to --enable-gtk3 though with the andrzejr/wrapper3 branch | 00:56 |
| micahg | oh, haha, using the wrong flag | 00:56 |
| ochosi | :> | 00:57 |
| ochosi | so let's hope it builds now | 00:57 |
| ochosi | you've seen the build-instructions we've put together on the wiki? | 00:57 |
| ochosi | micahg: in case not, here they are: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/Gtk3Indicators | 00:58 |
| Unit193 | You can run autogen.sh and recreate the orig.tar.gz? 0_o | 00:58 |
| micahg | ah, you pas it to autogen | 01:00 |
| ochosi | yes | 01:00 |
| micahg | ugh, 100th times the charm? | 01:00 |
| micahg | nope | 01:02 |
| ochosi | what exactly is failing? | 01:02 |
| micahg | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6216237/ | 01:03 |
| ochosi | so after skipping the noise, checking for libxfce4ui-1 >= 4.9.0... not found ? | 01:05 |
| micahg | that's the old version | 01:06 |
| ochosi | micahg: what about libxfce4ui-1-dev? | 01:06 |
| ochosi | hm | 01:06 |
| micahg | it needs both? | 01:06 |
| ochosi | well the panel is both gtk2 and gtk3 | 01:06 |
| micahg | I can add both | 01:07 |
| ochosi | i'd assume though that only the new one is needed, but i'm not sure how your whole setup is | 01:07 |
| micahg | clean chroot with my PPA enabled | 01:08 |
| ochosi | i think that the panel needs the libxfce4ui-1-dev, at least it should even build without -2 if i'm not mistaken | 01:09 |
| ochosi | micahg: still no worky? | 01:26 |
| micahg | nope | 01:27 |
| Unit193 | Stil wonky. | 01:27 |
| ochosi | :s | 01:28 |
| ochosi | well, gotta hit the sack | 01:28 |
| micahg | on the 10th try, I should probably just work on it in a chroot so I don't have to start the build from scratch each time | 01:28 |
| ochosi | mm | 01:28 |
| ochosi | good luck with it | 01:28 |
| ochosi | if you wanna do some easy stuff in between to relax, you could do the gmusicbrowser-upload/s ;) (bluesabre prepared the debdiff and all) | 01:29 |
| micahg | I'll try to do that tonight, have to run out right now | 01:32 |
| Noskcaj | micahg, Wouldn't it be easier to work on it just on your system then use a chroot to check dependencies? | 04:50 |
| Noskcaj | Or are you not on saucy | 04:50 |
| micahg | not on saucy :) | 05:06 |
| Pwnna | maybe the devs iwll know | 05:11 |
| Pwnna | so i have an issue where everytime i press F12, when it is mapped to a keyboard shortcut, it goes and changes some xfconf | 05:12 |
| Pwnna | specifically, the output-name of /panels/panel-0 and /panels/panel-1 | 05:12 |
| Pwnna | i usually run my laptop with intel graphics card mode | 05:12 |
| Pwnna | today i turned on nvida mode for a short while to test something | 05:12 |
| Pwnna | under nvidia, my laptop screen is LVDS-0 while under intel, the screen is LVDS1 | 05:13 |
| Pwnna | i'm back on intel now, but everytime i press F12, which is mapped to my terminal emulator, it changes the output-name of my panels to LVDS-0 | 05:13 |
| Pwnna | wat. this is really annoying as F12 is my terminal key. | 05:13 |
| Pwnna | i'm like.. grepping through my entire file system for LVDS | 05:15 |
| Pwnna | and output-name | 05:15 |
| Pwnna | .any ideas? | 05:16 |
| Pwnna | .xsession-errors.old:185:warning: output LVDS-0 not found; ignoring | 05:23 |
| micahg | \o/ | 05:23 |
| Pwnna | but i know that | 05:24 |
| Pwnna | i know it's trying to change. | 05:24 |
| Pwnna | wait wat | 05:24 |
| Pwnna | i got it | 05:24 |
| Pwnna | it recognized F12 as <Super>F12 | 05:25 |
| Pwnna | it depends on the order | 05:25 |
| Pwnna | now i redefined <Super>F12, F12 is always detected instead | 05:26 |
| Unit193 | Pwnna: Support in #xubuntu, saucy support in #ubuntu+1 | 05:40 |
| micahg | ok, I finally got it to build, now I need to get the packaging fixed, but not tonight :( | 05:48 |
| Unit193 | Cool, congrats! | 05:48 |
| Noskcaj | micahg, If there's anything i can do to help, let me know | 06:46 |
| Unit193 | micahg: 10/10/13 which is today (tomorrow?) is the final freeze, just a (hopefully) friendly reminder! :) | 07:03 |
| Noskcaj | I really hope we don't get this close to the deadline neext cycle | 07:05 |
| elfy | given the amount of people we have it's more than likely | 07:13 |
| slickymaster | morning all | 08:57 |
| knome | hey slickymaster | 09:09 |
| slickymaster | hi, knome. Good morning, How are you? | 09:12 |
| knome | fine! | 09:13 |
| slickymaster | glad to ear it :) | 09:17 |
| knome | slickymaster, ready for testing then? :) | 09:28 |
| slickymaster | knome: yeaps. Waiting for the RC image :) | 09:30 |
| slickymaster | knome: in the meanwhile still working on the Xubuntu docs translation, step by step | 09:30 |
| knome | slickymaster, mhm | 09:31 |
| slickymaster | knome: 'mhm' means...? | 09:34 |
| knome | slickymaster, "ack" ;) | 09:34 |
| knome | slickymaster, or yup, or okay | 09:35 |
| slickymaster | knome: :) not I got it | 09:35 |
| brainwash | ouch, somebody accidentally changed the status of the indicator-sound report to "fix released" | 09:35 |
| slickymaster | now | 09:35 |
| Unit193 | "I have nothing to say, but would like to confirm I have read it." | 09:35 |
| brainwash | knome: bug 1208204 | 09:36 |
| ubottu | bug 1208204 in The Sound Menu "indicator-sound no longer functions with xfce4-indicator-plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208204 | 09:36 |
| brainwash | last comment | 09:36 |
| knome | done | 09:36 |
| brainwash | thanks :) | 09:36 |
| knome | np | 09:37 |
| brainwash | regarding bug 1229478 - xfpm relies on upower to do suspend/hibernate, but currently upower lies about the availability of logind, thus xfpm falls back to pm-utils.. which is missing | 10:07 |
| ubottu | bug 1229478 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "No options for suspend/hibernate in xfce4-power-manager" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1229478 | 10:07 |
| brainwash | ahh, it's a ubuntu/debian specific patch | 10:09 |
| brainwash | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/upower/saucy/view/head:/debian/patches/always_use_pm-utils_backend.patch | 10:09 |
| brainwash | does a template for the 13.10 release page already exist? | 10:42 |
| brainwash | with the "known issues" section | 10:42 |
| brainwash | ochosi: can you still confirm, that "xubuntu" won't react to kb shortcuts for the first 10 sec after login? | 10:51 |
| ochosi | brainwash: yes | 11:08 |
| brainwash | do the actions get queued and executed afterwards? | 11:10 |
| brainwash | I think this is happen on my system | 11:11 |
| brainwash | happing | 11:11 |
| brainwash | :/ | 11:12 |
| brainwash | I'll check the log files and enable debug mode if needed | 11:13 |
| knome | brainwash, no release page, but feel free to list at http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1310FinalRelease | 11:15 |
| ali1234 | when the gtk3 indicator 3 ppa is ready, are we gonna basically put it on that bug and say "well, try this"? | 11:16 |
| ali1234 | because i can't see gtk2 sound indicator getting fixed | 11:16 |
| knome | ali1234, maybe, and get more testing inside the community. not sure if we're getting the gtk3 indicators for the 13.10 release though. | 11:18 |
| ali1234 | indicator3 has been flawless for me so far | 11:18 |
| ali1234 | well, it works exactly as well as it does in unity anyway | 11:19 |
| knome | yes, but if uploaders have no time, it's not going to get it | 11:19 |
| Unit193 | Final freeze today, so either really sneaky, or packports. | 11:19 |
| knome | *in | 11:19 |
| knome | backports too;) | 11:19 |
| ali1234 | yeah i don't expect it to be in 13.10 by default | 11:19 |
| ali1234 | but if gtk2 isn't fixed, people will rage | 11:20 |
| brainwash | ..and switch to unity :P | 11:22 |
| knome | ali1234, it's a non-LTS version. i'm starting to be worried if we still have the bug in 14.04 | 11:23 |
| ali1234 | yeah. just wondering what we tell people who complain | 11:23 |
| knome | "it's a non-LTS version" | 11:24 |
| brainwash | it's non-lts, but the raring users are forced to upgrade soon | 11:24 |
| knome | sure...but they chose the non-LTS route | 11:24 |
| Unit193 | "Non-LTS" doesn't, or shouldn't mean half-baked. | 11:24 |
| knome | sure, but there are always bugs and some are more unfortunate than others | 11:25 |
| knome | we're still looking to get the gtk3 indicator support to backports at least | 11:25 |
| knome | we can only do what we can do | 11:26 |
| Unit193 | Mhmm. You just keep on using "Non-LTS" as if it means something. :P | 11:26 |
| brainwash | the best ofc | 11:26 |
| knome | Unit193, it does mean something. | 11:26 |
| knome | Unit193, i don't *want* those to be half-baked, but i'm much less worried about stuff that slips into non-LTS than LTS | 11:26 |
| brainwash | micahg: any news on bug 1232027 ? | 11:27 |
| ubottu | bug 1232027 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "pm-utils not installed by default in 13.10" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232027 | 11:27 |
| knome | brainwash, i'll get that uploaded. | 11:35 |
| knome | /seeded | 11:35 |
| brainwash | thanks | 11:35 |
| brainwash | knome: do you know why this branch hasn't been reviewed yet? https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/b2_fixes/+merge/187127 | 11:37 |
| knome | i've just community-approved it. | 11:38 |
| ali1234 | so we don't tell them that gtk3 indicators are available for testing? | 11:39 |
| ali1234 | we just say "it's broken, sorry" | 11:39 |
| knome | we can't tell them they are available until they are available | 11:40 |
| ali1234 | and when they are? | 11:43 |
| knome | when somebody has time to set them up | 11:43 |
| ali1234 | micahg is working on it the past two days... looks like it is nearly done | 11:45 |
| knome | yes. if he gets it done before the freeze, we might get it in. | 11:45 |
| knome | and the bugfix | 11:45 |
| knome | *then | 11:45 |
| brainwash | knome: will seeding the package actually install it (live installer)? | 11:45 |
| ali1234 | ok but that isn't my question | 11:46 |
| knome | brainwash, yes, seeding means exactly that | 11:46 |
| brainwash | knome: ok :) | 11:46 |
| knome | ali1234, the answer to your question is: we will let people know what they should do to get gtk3 indicators when we know how they can and have it set up. | 11:46 |
| knome | ali1234, and we will make them available in the release if at all possible, and if not, then backports if possible | 11:47 |
| knome | brainwash, | 12:01 |
| knome | 14:58 notice < queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Unapproved: xubuntu-meta (saucy-proposed/universe) [2.170 => 2.171] (xubuntu) | 12:01 |
| ochosi | brainwash: yes, here the actions get queued and executed 10 secs after login | 12:19 |
| elfy | knome: is RC not a milestone release - or is it just that they've not gone out yet? | 12:27 |
| knome | elfy, i'd say just not out yet | 12:28 |
| elfy | k - thanks | 12:28 |
| elfy | knome: just a fyi - I've started looking at the desktop and post install testcases now - talk to you soonish about those | 12:30 |
| knome | yup, cheers | 12:31 |
| brainwash | elfy: hey, can you confirm that keyboard shortcut "actions get queued and executed 10 secs after login"? for example launching the terminal via kb shortcut immediately (well, lets say 2-3sec) after logging in | 12:36 |
| gdos | 2 part question: how do i submit a feature request and search for a possible bug (such as in the custom application launcher panel)? | 12:36 |
| elfy | brainwash: not now I can't - got a short while at home for a cuppa then back to work | 12:37 |
| brainwash | elfy: ok | 12:37 |
| elfy | is there a bug for it? | 12:37 |
| ochosi | gdos: if it's an xfce component, go to bugs.xfce.org | 12:38 |
| ochosi | and what "custom application launcher panel" are you referring to? | 12:41 |
| gdos | the application launcher (the one that you can customize); if i add 2 or more apps to it, the 1st app shown won't launch more than once. | 12:42 |
| gdos | would that be caleld the xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin? | 12:42 |
| ochosi | possible, i don't use that | 12:43 |
| ochosi | what does your panel config call it? | 12:44 |
| gdos | applauncher | 12:45 |
| gdos | actually under xubuntu its called launcher under suse its called applauncher | 12:46 |
| ochosi | right, so that's part of the xfce4-panel's core plugins | 12:46 |
| gdos | yep. just tested it. | 12:46 |
| ochosi | what feature would you request exactly? | 12:46 |
| ochosi | but yeah, feelo free to search bugzilla first | 12:48 |
| ochosi | bbiab | 12:48 |
| ali1234 | gdos: i can't reproduce launcher bug | 12:49 |
| gdos | ali1234: under applauncher properties > advanced tick the box that says show last item. (i originally had that ticked and now have it un-ticked either way for me it doesn't work.) | 12:56 |
| ali1234 | gdos: what version are you on? | 12:57 |
| gdos | xubuntu? 13.04 | 12:57 |
| gdos | xfce4-panel 4.10.0 | 12:57 |
| ali1234 | i ticked the box. no change | 12:57 |
| ali1234 | i'm on 13.10/4.10.1 | 12:57 |
| gdos | hmm... | 12:57 |
| ali1234 | what specific apps are you using? | 12:57 |
| ali1234 | on the launcher i mean | 12:58 |
| gdos | pterm and chromium | 12:58 |
| ali1234 | can you try with, say, xfce-terminal and abiword? (that's what i'm testing with) | 12:58 |
| gdos | yes. | 12:58 |
| gdos | i'll create a few more with different apps (some more than others); brb. | 12:59 |
| ali1234 | i wouldn't be surprised if this was fixed - loads of stuff has been | 12:59 |
| gdos | ok. | 12:59 |
| gdos | same thing. | 13:00 |
| gdos | let me go check which version of xfce my suse machine is using... | 13:01 |
| ali1234 | ok i tried in a 13.04 VM and i still can't reproduce | 13:03 |
| gdos | ok. i tried it on suse 12.3 (xfce 4.10.0) and i was able to reproduce it. when does xubuntu 13.10 come out? 23rd? | 13:11 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 13:14 |
| ali1234 | actually, the 17th apparently | 13:15 |
| gdos | ok. ali1234: i will wait and then upgrade and see if it replicates. in the mean time i'll try it on guest login and see if it may simply be a setting issue. | 13:22 |
| ochosi | brainwash: https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/commit/c4bf794a980766799312f134b04f15810ce8a536 | 14:04 |
| brainwash | ochosi: thanks, this is a big step forward, finally I can enjoy a high res trash bin icon :) | 14:16 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i know, right? :) | 14:17 |
| brainwash | ochosi: and I'm wondering again, are there any other people out there affecting by the delayed execution of kb shortcuts after login.. | 14:19 |
| ochosi | well tbh i hope not | 14:19 |
| ochosi | have you tried to create a new user in saucy and check whether that fixes the issue? | 14:20 |
| brainwash | oh, not yet, only created a log of the session dbus communication so far (tons of lines) | 14:20 |
| brainwash | I'll try that | 14:21 |
| ochosi | well that would seem the most obvious and easy approach to me at least | 14:21 |
| brainwash | 2nd user is affected too | 14:23 |
| ochosi | hm, could still be an upgrade-only issue but it's less likely now i'd say | 14:24 |
| brainwash | I'll investigate some more and report back | 14:25 |
| ochosi | cool thanks | 14:28 |
| ochosi | bbl | 14:30 |
| knome | elfy, i've set up http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1310FinalRelease | 16:04 |
| knome | xubuntu.org says: | 16:08 |
| knome | Xubuntu is a community‑developed, Ubuntu‑based Linux operating system. | 16:08 |
| knome | @Xubuntu says: | 16:08 |
| meetingology | knome: Error: "Xubuntu" is not a valid command. | 16:08 |
| knome | Xubuntu is a community developed, elegant and easy-to-use operating system based on Ubuntu. | 16:08 |
| knome | inconsistency, if not else, dash in community(-)developed | 16:09 |
| knome | and we could probably drop the commas | 16:09 |
| holstein | xubuntu is an offical community designed operating system based on ubuntu and built to be elegant and easy to use | 16:11 |
| knome | official is irrelevant | 16:12 |
| holstein | but, what do i know ;) | 16:12 |
| holstein | eh.. it comes up a lot | 16:12 |
| knome | we're only an official flavor, but if we don't mention flavor, it's ambiguous what the "official" means | 16:12 |
| holstein | otherwise, whats the difference in mint xfce?.. the official "blessing" of ubuntu (an other specifics" | 16:13 |
| knome | i think the reason why twitter is what it is is a character limitation | 16:13 |
| holstein | but, at a glance, both are "based on ubuntu" | 16:13 |
| holstein | i just field that quesiton a lot.. even for seasoned linux users in my LUG.. | 16:13 |
| knome | sure, but what you say doesn't specify "what" official we are... | 16:13 |
| holstein | right.. "official" by itself doesnt mean anything | 16:14 |
| knome | and the way the sentence is set up, it sounds like we're an "official operating system" | 16:14 |
| holstein | i mean, at some point, the user has to look something up and learn.. or just use it | 16:14 |
| holstein | "officially based on ubuntu"?... | 16:14 |
| knome | i don't think we need to emphasize the "official flavorness" in the punchline | 16:14 |
| knome | well heh, that's not accurate either | 16:14 |
| knome | if you think about it, isn't mint xfce officially based on ubuntu as well? | 16:15 |
| holstein | nah.. i dont think you do either.. but i see that often | 16:15 |
| knome | eg. ubuntu can't deny mint is based on ubuntu | 16:15 |
| knome | so it's kind of... officially based on ubuntu | 16:15 |
| holstein | knome: right.. its not something that can be summed up in a sentence, really | 16:15 |
| knome | yep. | 16:15 |
| holstein | but, it would be nice.. | 16:15 |
| knome | but it's true we don't say that on our website frontpage. | 16:16 |
| knome | we could | 16:16 |
| knome | but probably not the punchline | 16:16 |
| pleia2 | sorry, airplane wifi is being.... airplane wifi-ish :) | 16:16 |
| holstein | knome: and it could be that im answering the question mint users have about why they cant get support.. rather that "what is xubuntu" | 16:17 |
| knome | :) | 16:17 |
| pleia2 | I think I might have pulled the twitter one from our strategy doc | 16:17 |
| knome | i think it's a compromise | 16:18 |
| knome | we wanted to tell as much as possible | 16:18 |
| knome | the easy-to-use and elegant stuff is on the next sentence on the website | 16:18 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 16:18 |
| knome | what about: | 16:18 |
| knome | TITLE: Xubuntu is a community developed elegant and easy-to-use operating system. | 16:19 |
| knome | NEXT SENTENCE: Xubuntu is a regocnised flavor of the Ubuntu operating system. | 16:19 |
| pleia2 | it's weird without the commas, hard to parse | 16:19 |
| knome | ... developed, ...? | 16:20 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 16:20 |
| knome | note that i dropped ubuntu from the title. | 16:20 |
| pleia2 | I think that's fine | 16:20 |
| knome | should we drop "Linux" to the next paragraph as well? | 16:21 |
| pleia2 | we should mention linux somewhere on our front page | 16:23 |
| knome | yeah, but does it have to be on the cat-sized title? | 16:23 |
| knome | from a pure marketing point of view, it might not be a good selling point, even if we think it's cool. | 16:23 |
| pleia2 | yeah, it doesn't need to be in the header | 16:24 |
| pleia2 | hehe, cat-sized | 16:24 |
| knome | that's a known finnish phrase | 16:24 |
| knome | "kissan kokoiset kirjaimet" -> cat-sized letters | 16:25 |
| pleia2 | does it mean medium? :) | 16:25 |
| pleia2 | liken ot a mouse, and not a dog | 16:25 |
| knome | no, it means BIG | 16:25 |
| pleia2 | elephants are big! | 16:25 |
| pleia2 | also pleia2, but not cats :) | 16:25 |
| pleia2 | I suppose tigers are big | 16:26 |
| knome | Xubuntu is a Linux operating system and an officially recognised flavor of Ubuntu. | 16:26 |
| knome | that? | 16:26 |
| knome | is that a bit clumsy, or is it just me | 16:26 |
| pleia2 | clumbsy | 16:26 |
| knome | hehe | 16:26 |
| pleia2 | Xubuntu is an officially recognised flavor of the Ubuntu operating system | 16:27 |
| knome | that's what we have now, but since linux ain't on the title.. | 16:27 |
| GridCube | Xubuntu is an officially recognised flavor of the Ubuntu linux operating system | 16:27 |
| knome | what about: | 16:27 |
| pleia2 | oh, heh | 16:28 |
| knome | yeah, that. | 16:28 |
| knome | but ubuntu doesn't use linux themself | 16:28 |
| knome | and shouldn't that be Linux, not linux | 16:28 |
| pleia2 | GridCube: +1 Linux | 16:29 |
| GridCube | uppercase L? | 16:29 |
| knome | ok, see how it looks now | 16:29 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 16:29 |
| GridCube | i see | 16:29 |
| knome | i think that's much better | 16:30 |
| GridCube | what about, Xubuntu is an officially recognised flavor of the Ubuntu's Linux operating system | 16:30 |
| knome | no, | 16:30 |
| knome | there is no linux system that is "ubuntu's" | 16:30 |
| pleia2 | yeah, first way you had it was good | 16:30 |
| GridCube | P: ok | 16:30 |
| knome | if we want to tweak it, we could say | 16:30 |
| knome | of the Linux-based Ubuntu operating system | 16:30 |
| GridCube | thats clumbsy again | 16:31 |
| knome | only a bit, and that would be in line with the fact that canonical doesn't say "Ubuntu Linux" any more | 16:31 |
| knome | one more thing: | 16:31 |
| knome | should we swap the two paragraphs? | 16:31 |
| knome | first telling who xubuntu is perfect for, then telling what it is | 16:32 |
| knome | and, easy-to-use vs. easy to use | 16:32 |
| GridCube | what if instead of easy to use we use "accesible" or "user friendly" | 16:34 |
| knome | we have easy-to-use in our strategy document, and tbh, i'd say changing the wording (at least to "accessible") changes the meaning | 16:34 |
| GridCube | alright | 16:35 |
| pleia2 | I hate -s | 16:36 |
| pleia2 | easy to use is nice | 16:36 |
| knome | hehe | 16:36 |
| knome | what about the paragraph switch? | 16:36 |
| knome | actually our SD says: | 16:37 |
| knome | Xubuntu is a community-developed, Ubuntu-based operating system that combines elegance and ease of use. | 16:37 |
| knome | which is nice wording | 16:38 |
| knome | except ubuntu-based and the other dash | 16:38 |
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| pleia2 | yeah | 16:41 |
| knome | ok, that's updated | 16:41 |
| knome | again: what about the paragraph swap? | 16:41 |
| pleia2 | I need to wait for better internet, taking too long to load pages | 16:44 |
| knome | i can paste | 16:44 |
| knome | Xubuntu is an officially recognised flavor of the Ubuntu Linux operating system. Xubuntu comes with Xfce, which is a stable, light and configurable desktop environment. | 16:44 |
| knome | Xubuntu is perfect for those who want the most out of their desktops, laptops and netbooks with a modern look and enough features for efficient, daily usage. It works well on older hardware too. | 16:44 |
| pleia2 | that's what we want, or what we have? | 16:46 |
| knome | what we have | 16:46 |
| GridCube | i like it like that | 16:46 |
| knome | i'm thinking whether we should swap | 16:47 |
| pleia2 | GridCube: +1 | 16:47 |
| knome | i'm thinking if liking it like that is because we appreciate more technical details than most of our users | 16:47 |
| knome | but sure, let's keep it like that | 16:47 |
| GridCube | no, i mean, if we say what it is then we can understand what its used for | 16:48 |
| GridCube | if you know what something is used for, but not what it is... | 16:48 |
| GridCube | in any case, its far too close for that distinction to matter too much | 16:48 |
| knome | right, the social media thing was: | 16:52 |
| knome | "If you're using our logo as your avatar or in your website, please use the latest version. If you need help with converting to a specific size, ask the xubuntu-devel mailing list." | 16:52 |
| knome | + "Thanks!" | 16:52 |
| === Maple[] is now known as RDisBestPony | ||
| knome | once we get the static. subdomain up, we could dump any images for those requests in a folder there | 16:53 |
| knome | (for any sensible requests) | 16:53 |
| GridCube | knome, talking about images | 16:59 |
| knome | yes? | 16:59 |
| GridCube | when would you think you can start the desktop showcasing? | 16:59 |
| knome | i will have to look into that when i seriously have some time | 16:59 |
| knome | i've been awfully busy lately | 16:59 |
| GridCube | we have about 6 images that comply to the rules so its like 2 months if we put a new one every like 2 weeks | 17:00 |
| GridCube | knome, sure | 17:00 |
| GridCube | :) | 17:00 |
| knome | bbl-> | 17:00 |
| elfy | brainwash: can't confirm that lag in kbd shortcut immediately after logging in | 17:24 |
| elfy | in fact the one I tried worked immediately | 17:24 |
| ochosi | hm, i guess that's good news... | 17:36 |
| ochosi | cause i'd really prefer if that were our private bug | 17:37 |
| elfy | :) | 17:37 |
| knome | probably not though. | 18:01 |
| knome | we should fix that for 14.04 | 18:01 |
| knome | i'd also say we've hit our deadline for the gtk3 indicators | 18:01 |
| elfy | possibly - couldn't we call it a Non-release-critical-but-nice-to-have bugfixes :) | 18:03 |
| elfy | do we have any working indicators? | 18:04 |
| knome | some might work... | 18:04 |
| ochosi | no idea, i haven't used gtk2 indicators in ages | 18:05 |
| knome | we should just get them in in backports or SRU | 18:05 |
| elfy | ochosi: only one I had was the sound one till it went | 18:06 |
| knome | (-updates) | 18:06 |
| brainwash | and nm applet still works | 18:07 |
| === RDisBestPony is now known as Maple[] | ||
| brainwash | why not replace the sound indicator with the mixer panel plugin? :) | 18:39 |
| ochosi | cause that doesn't work so well with pulseadio | 18:40 |
| ochosi | not so well = not at all | 18:40 |
| brainwash | works for me, but it's a bad solution anyway | 18:40 |
| ochosi | we could add a launcher for pavucontrol :p | 18:40 |
| brainwash | the mixer plugin can be configured to open pavucontrol | 18:41 |
| ochosi | hm, that would be okayish | 18:41 |
| ochosi | i've never tried it | 18:42 |
| ochosi | gotta go | 18:42 |
| ochosi | hf | 18:42 |
| brainwash | bye | 18:42 |
| ali1234 | mixer doesn't work at all for me | 18:44 |
| brainwash | =S | 18:45 |
| knome | ali1234, yes, it doesn't work with pulseaudio | 18:46 |
| brainwash | volume changing? | 18:52 |
| knome | xfce4-mixer, or the panel plugin | 18:53 |
| brainwash | panel plugin | 18:53 |
| brainwash | as fallback solution for the sound indicator | 18:54 |
| knome | i mean, neither works with pulseaudio | 18:55 |
| brainwash | knome: works for me, weird | 19:13 |
| brainwash | <property name="sound-card" type="string" value="PlaybackBuiltinAudioAnalogStereoPulseAudioMixer"/> | 19:14 |
| brainwash | or what exactly does not work? | 19:14 |
| elfy | brainwash: ok - I'll confirm it takes a while for \ kbd shortcut to work when login follows a restart/start | 19:26 |
| elfy | but then it takes a while for any apps starting to start too | 19:27 |
| elfy | back tomorrow | 19:27 |
| Noskcaj | Is there anyone with a xubuntu daily iso who can report a bug for me? My pc is too low on RAM to do it | 19:32 |
| Noskcaj | Go to the manual partitioning options and notice that the checkbox has a grey square around it | 19:33 |
| skellat | As seen over in #ubuntu-release moments ago: "(05:46:55 PM) Laney has changed the topic to: Released: 13.10 Beta 1, 13.04, and 12.04.3 | Archive: Frozen, final freeze | Saucy Salamander Release Coordination. Please don't upload things during freezes where you shouldn't, or be prepared to apologise to the release team | we accept payment in cash, check or beer | melior malum quod cognoscis" | 21:49 |
| Unit193 | [17:46:55] Irssi: Topic: -: Archive: frozen | 22:04 |
| Unit193 | [17:46:55] Irssi: Topic: +: Archive: Frozen, final freeze | 22:04 |
| Noskcaj_ | What packages do we still need to convert to python 3 for 14.04? | 22:38 |
| knome | brainwash, hey, you around? | 22:42 |
| brainwash | knome: ye | 22:43 |
| knome | brainwash, was there a bug for the lag for the shortcuts? can't seem to find it | 22:44 |
| brainwash | knome: I didn't create one yet | 22:45 |
| knome | oki, ping me when you do | 22:45 |
| knome | also, bug 1232027 | 22:45 |
| ubottu | bug 1232027 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "pm-utils not installed by default in 13.10" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232027 | 22:45 |
| brainwash | something is definitely wrong, the delayed kb shortcut actions are just a noticeable hint I think, one test account is not able to trigger any of the xfce kb shortcuts.. the session seems somewhat stuck | 22:48 |
| knome | sure, that's possible | 22:49 |
| brainwash | yap, pm-utils finally included, 1 bug less | 22:49 |
| brainwash | :) | 22:49 |
| brainwash | no clue, why my test system is acting so weird | 22:50 |
| knome | you should be happy it's your test system, not your production machine | 22:51 |
| brainwash | usually people would complain instantly about such an issue, but apparently almost nobody seems to be affected | 22:53 |
| knome | except three people in this channel... | 22:53 |
| knome | maybe people just think their computers are super slow | 22:54 |
| knome | i mean, it is an annoying bug | 22:54 |
| knome | ...otoh, you forget it when it starts working. | 22:54 |
| brainwash | right, some randomness seems to be involved | 22:54 |
| brainwash | knome: can you confirm this problem? or not tested yet? | 22:56 |
| knome | i can confirm that bug on raring at least. | 22:57 |
| brainwash | mmh, maybe an upstream report does already exist, addressing this kind of problem | 22:59 |
| brainwash | I'll do some research | 22:59 |
| knome | thanks | 23:00 |
| knome | everybody: i just poked around a bit at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu | 23:00 |
| knome | look at the whiteboard and tell me if you think there's something else we should target | 23:01 |
| brainwash | unused maximize button :D | 23:02 |
| knome | that's in the bug list | 23:02 |
| brainwash | maybe worth fixing this one | 23:05 |
| brainwash | so only ubiquity is affected? | 23:05 |
| knome | no, it's actually any 'dialog' window in xfce | 23:06 |
| brainwash | ah ok, so I didn't notice the non functional maximize button yet | 23:06 |
| knome | well it's only the 'dialog' type windows :) | 23:07 |
| brainwash | needs to fixed upstream, so an upstream report is required I think | 23:08 |
| brainwash | micahg, mr_pouit: can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/b2_fixes please? | 23:12 |
| knome | hey jjfrv8 :) | 23:46 |
| jjfrv8 | howdy, knome | 23:46 |
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