[00:07] Anyone else notice that x11vnc no longer works with -auth guess ? [00:47] Did anyone look at bug 1189491 ? [00:47] bug 1189491 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu 13.10 missing gtk2-engines package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189491 [00:54] ali1234: thanks! I'm on my way [00:55] Noskcaj: just commented on that bug [00:55] ochosi: andresz branch builds with the new libxfceui? It's asking for SONAME 1 [00:56] micahg: yeah, you need to --enable-gtk3 though with the andrzejr/wrapper3 branch [00:56] oh, haha, using the wrong flag [00:57] :> [00:57] so let's hope it builds now [00:57] you've seen the build-instructions we've put together on the wiki? [00:58] micahg: in case not, here they are: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/Gtk3Indicators [00:58] You can run autogen.sh and recreate the orig.tar.gz? 0_o [01:00] ah, you pas it to autogen [01:00] yes [01:00] ugh, 100th times the charm? [01:02] nope [01:02] what exactly is failing? [01:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6216237/ [01:05] so after skipping the noise, checking for libxfce4ui-1 >= 4.9.0... not found ? [01:06] that's the old version [01:06] micahg: what about libxfce4ui-1-dev? [01:06] hm [01:06] it needs both? [01:06] well the panel is both gtk2 and gtk3 [01:07] I can add both [01:07] i'd assume though that only the new one is needed, but i'm not sure how your whole setup is [01:08] clean chroot with my PPA enabled [01:09] i think that the panel needs the libxfce4ui-1-dev, at least it should even build without -2 if i'm not mistaken [01:26] micahg: still no worky? [01:27] nope [01:27] Stil wonky. [01:28] :s [01:28] well, gotta hit the sack [01:28] on the 10th try, I should probably just work on it in a chroot so I don't have to start the build from scratch each time [01:28] mm [01:28] good luck with it [01:29] if you wanna do some easy stuff in between to relax, you could do the gmusicbrowser-upload/s ;) (bluesabre prepared the debdiff and all) [01:32] I'll try to do that tonight, have to run out right now [04:50] micahg, Wouldn't it be easier to work on it just on your system then use a chroot to check dependencies? [04:50] Or are you not on saucy [05:06] not on saucy :) [05:11] maybe the devs iwll know [05:12] so i have an issue where everytime i press F12, when it is mapped to a keyboard shortcut, it goes and changes some xfconf [05:12] specifically, the output-name of /panels/panel-0 and /panels/panel-1 [05:12] i usually run my laptop with intel graphics card mode [05:12] today i turned on nvida mode for a short while to test something [05:13] under nvidia, my laptop screen is LVDS-0 while under intel, the screen is LVDS1 [05:13] i'm back on intel now, but everytime i press F12, which is mapped to my terminal emulator, it changes the output-name of my panels to LVDS-0 [05:13] wat. this is really annoying as F12 is my terminal key. [05:15] i'm like.. grepping through my entire file system for LVDS [05:15] and output-name [05:16] .any ideas? [05:23] .xsession-errors.old:185:warning: output LVDS-0 not found; ignoring [05:23] \o/ [05:24] but i know that [05:24] i know it's trying to change. [05:24] wait wat [05:24] i got it [05:25] it recognized F12 as F12 [05:25] it depends on the order [05:26] now i redefined F12, F12 is always detected instead [05:40] Pwnna: Support in #xubuntu, saucy support in #ubuntu+1 [05:48] ok, I finally got it to build, now I need to get the packaging fixed, but not tonight :( [05:48] Cool, congrats! [06:46] micahg, If there's anything i can do to help, let me know [07:03] micahg: 10/10/13 which is today (tomorrow?) is the final freeze, just a (hopefully) friendly reminder! :) [07:05] I really hope we don't get this close to the deadline neext cycle [07:13] given the amount of people we have it's more than likely [08:57] morning all [09:09] hey slickymaster [09:12] hi, knome. Good morning, How are you? [09:13] fine! [09:17] glad to ear it :) [09:28] slickymaster, ready for testing then? :) [09:30] knome: yeaps. Waiting for the RC image :) [09:30] knome: in the meanwhile still working on the Xubuntu docs translation, step by step [09:31] slickymaster, mhm [09:34] knome: 'mhm' means...? [09:34] slickymaster, "ack" ;) [09:35] slickymaster, or yup, or okay [09:35] knome: :) not I got it [09:35] ouch, somebody accidentally changed the status of the indicator-sound report to "fix released" [09:35] now [09:35] "I have nothing to say, but would like to confirm I have read it." [09:36] knome: bug 1208204 [09:36] bug 1208204 in The Sound Menu "indicator-sound no longer functions with xfce4-indicator-plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208204 [09:36] last comment [09:36] done [09:36] thanks :) [09:37] np [10:07] regarding bug 1229478 - xfpm relies on upower to do suspend/hibernate, but currently upower lies about the availability of logind, thus xfpm falls back to pm-utils.. which is missing [10:07] bug 1229478 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "No options for suspend/hibernate in xfce4-power-manager" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1229478 [10:09] ahh, it's a ubuntu/debian specific patch [10:09] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/upower/saucy/view/head:/debian/patches/always_use_pm-utils_backend.patch [10:42] does a template for the 13.10 release page already exist? [10:42] with the "known issues" section [10:51] ochosi: can you still confirm, that "xubuntu" won't react to kb shortcuts for the first 10 sec after login? [11:08] brainwash: yes [11:10] do the actions get queued and executed afterwards? [11:11] I think this is happen on my system [11:11] happing [11:12] :/ [11:13] I'll check the log files and enable debug mode if needed [11:15] brainwash, no release page, but feel free to list at http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1310FinalRelease [11:16] when the gtk3 indicator 3 ppa is ready, are we gonna basically put it on that bug and say "well, try this"? [11:16] because i can't see gtk2 sound indicator getting fixed [11:18] ali1234, maybe, and get more testing inside the community. not sure if we're getting the gtk3 indicators for the 13.10 release though. [11:18] indicator3 has been flawless for me so far [11:19] well, it works exactly as well as it does in unity anyway [11:19] yes, but if uploaders have no time, it's not going to get it [11:19] Final freeze today, so either really sneaky, or packports. [11:19] *in [11:19] backports too;) [11:19] yeah i don't expect it to be in 13.10 by default [11:20] but if gtk2 isn't fixed, people will rage [11:22] ..and switch to unity :P [11:23] ali1234, it's a non-LTS version. i'm starting to be worried if we still have the bug in 14.04 [11:23] yeah. just wondering what we tell people who complain [11:24] "it's a non-LTS version" [11:24] it's non-lts, but the raring users are forced to upgrade soon [11:24] sure...but they chose the non-LTS route [11:24] "Non-LTS" doesn't, or shouldn't mean half-baked. [11:25] sure, but there are always bugs and some are more unfortunate than others [11:25] we're still looking to get the gtk3 indicator support to backports at least [11:26] we can only do what we can do [11:26] Mhmm. You just keep on using "Non-LTS" as if it means something. :P [11:26] the best ofc [11:26] Unit193, it does mean something. [11:26] Unit193, i don't *want* those to be half-baked, but i'm much less worried about stuff that slips into non-LTS than LTS [11:27] micahg: any news on bug 1232027 ? [11:27] bug 1232027 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "pm-utils not installed by default in 13.10" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232027 [11:35] brainwash, i'll get that uploaded. [11:35] /seeded [11:35] thanks [11:37] knome: do you know why this branch hasn't been reviewed yet? https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/b2_fixes/+merge/187127 [11:38] i've just community-approved it. [11:39] so we don't tell them that gtk3 indicators are available for testing? [11:39] we just say "it's broken, sorry" [11:40] we can't tell them they are available until they are available [11:43] and when they are? [11:43] when somebody has time to set them up [11:45] micahg is working on it the past two days... looks like it is nearly done [11:45] yes. if he gets it done before the freeze, we might get it in. [11:45] and the bugfix [11:45] *then [11:45] knome: will seeding the package actually install it (live installer)? [11:46] ok but that isn't my question [11:46] brainwash, yes, seeding means exactly that [11:46] knome: ok :) [11:46] ali1234, the answer to your question is: we will let people know what they should do to get gtk3 indicators when we know how they can and have it set up. [11:47] ali1234, and we will make them available in the release if at all possible, and if not, then backports if possible [12:01] brainwash, [12:01] 14:58 notice < queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Unapproved: xubuntu-meta (saucy-proposed/universe) [2.170 => 2.171] (xubuntu) [12:19] brainwash: yes, here the actions get queued and executed 10 secs after login [12:27] knome: is RC not a milestone release - or is it just that they've not gone out yet? [12:28] elfy, i'd say just not out yet [12:28] k - thanks [12:30] knome: just a fyi - I've started looking at the desktop and post install testcases now - talk to you soonish about those [12:31] yup, cheers [12:36] elfy: hey, can you confirm that keyboard shortcut "actions get queued and executed 10 secs after login"? for example launching the terminal via kb shortcut immediately (well, lets say 2-3sec) after logging in [12:36] 2 part question: how do i submit a feature request and search for a possible bug (such as in the custom application launcher panel)? [12:37] brainwash: not now I can't - got a short while at home for a cuppa then back to work [12:37] elfy: ok [12:37] is there a bug for it? [12:38] gdos: if it's an xfce component, go to bugs.xfce.org [12:41] and what "custom application launcher panel" are you referring to? [12:42] the application launcher (the one that you can customize); if i add 2 or more apps to it, the 1st app shown won't launch more than once. [12:42] would that be caleld the xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin? [12:43] possible, i don't use that [12:44] what does your panel config call it? [12:45] applauncher [12:46] actually under xubuntu its called launcher under suse its called applauncher [12:46] right, so that's part of the xfce4-panel's core plugins [12:46] yep. just tested it. [12:46] what feature would you request exactly? [12:48] but yeah, feelo free to search bugzilla first [12:48] bbiab [12:49] gdos: i can't reproduce launcher bug [12:56] ali1234: under applauncher properties > advanced tick the box that says show last item. (i originally had that ticked and now have it un-ticked either way for me it doesn't work.) [12:57] gdos: what version are you on? [12:57] xubuntu? 13.04 [12:57] xfce4-panel 4.10.0 [12:57] i ticked the box. no change [12:57] i'm on 13.10/4.10.1 [12:57] hmm... [12:57] what specific apps are you using? [12:58] on the launcher i mean [12:58] pterm and chromium [12:58] can you try with, say, xfce-terminal and abiword? (that's what i'm testing with) [12:58] yes. [12:59] i'll create a few more with different apps (some more than others); brb. [12:59] i wouldn't be surprised if this was fixed - loads of stuff has been [12:59] ok. [13:00] same thing. [13:01] let me go check which version of xfce my suse machine is using... [13:03] ok i tried in a 13.04 VM and i still can't reproduce [13:11] ok. i tried it on suse 12.3 (xfce 4.10.0) and i was able to reproduce it. when does xubuntu 13.10 come out? 23rd? [13:14] yeah [13:15] actually, the 17th apparently [13:22] ok. ali1234: i will wait and then upgrade and see if it replicates. in the mean time i'll try it on guest login and see if it may simply be a setting issue. [14:04] brainwash: https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/commit/c4bf794a980766799312f134b04f15810ce8a536 [14:16] ochosi: thanks, this is a big step forward, finally I can enjoy a high res trash bin icon :) [14:17] brainwash: i know, right? :) [14:19] ochosi: and I'm wondering again, are there any other people out there affecting by the delayed execution of kb shortcuts after login.. [14:19] well tbh i hope not [14:20] have you tried to create a new user in saucy and check whether that fixes the issue? [14:20] oh, not yet, only created a log of the session dbus communication so far (tons of lines) [14:21] I'll try that [14:21] well that would seem the most obvious and easy approach to me at least [14:23] 2nd user is affected too [14:24] hm, could still be an upgrade-only issue but it's less likely now i'd say [14:25] I'll investigate some more and report back [14:28] cool thanks [14:30] bbl [16:04] elfy, i've set up http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1310FinalRelease [16:08] xubuntu.org says: [16:08] Xubuntu is a community‑developed, Ubuntu‑based Linux operating system. [16:08] @Xubuntu says: [16:08] knome: Error: "Xubuntu" is not a valid command. [16:08] Xubuntu is a community developed, elegant and easy-to-use operating system based on Ubuntu. [16:09] inconsistency, if not else, dash in community(-)developed [16:09] and we could probably drop the commas [16:11] xubuntu is an offical community designed operating system based on ubuntu and built to be elegant and easy to use [16:12] official is irrelevant [16:12] but, what do i know ;) [16:12] eh.. it comes up a lot [16:12] we're only an official flavor, but if we don't mention flavor, it's ambiguous what the "official" means [16:13] otherwise, whats the difference in mint xfce?.. the official "blessing" of ubuntu (an other specifics" [16:13] i think the reason why twitter is what it is is a character limitation [16:13] but, at a glance, both are "based on ubuntu" [16:13] i just field that quesiton a lot.. even for seasoned linux users in my LUG.. [16:13] sure, but what you say doesn't specify "what" official we are... [16:14] right.. "official" by itself doesnt mean anything [16:14] and the way the sentence is set up, it sounds like we're an "official operating system" [16:14] i mean, at some point, the user has to look something up and learn.. or just use it [16:14] "officially based on ubuntu"?... [16:14] i don't think we need to emphasize the "official flavorness" in the punchline [16:14] well heh, that's not accurate either [16:15] if you think about it, isn't mint xfce officially based on ubuntu as well? [16:15] nah.. i dont think you do either.. but i see that often [16:15] eg. ubuntu can't deny mint is based on ubuntu [16:15] so it's kind of... officially based on ubuntu [16:15] knome: right.. its not something that can be summed up in a sentence, really [16:15] yep. [16:15] but, it would be nice.. [16:16] but it's true we don't say that on our website frontpage. [16:16] we could [16:16] but probably not the punchline [16:16] sorry, airplane wifi is being.... airplane wifi-ish :) [16:17] knome: and it could be that im answering the question mint users have about why they cant get support.. rather that "what is xubuntu" [16:17] :) [16:17] I think I might have pulled the twitter one from our strategy doc [16:18] i think it's a compromise [16:18] we wanted to tell as much as possible [16:18] the easy-to-use and elegant stuff is on the next sentence on the website [16:18] yeah [16:18] what about: [16:19] TITLE: Xubuntu is a community developed elegant and easy-to-use operating system. [16:19] NEXT SENTENCE: Xubuntu is a regocnised flavor of the Ubuntu operating system. [16:19] it's weird without the commas, hard to parse [16:20] ... developed, ...? [16:20] yeah [16:20] note that i dropped ubuntu from the title. [16:20] I think that's fine [16:21] should we drop "Linux" to the next paragraph as well? [16:23] we should mention linux somewhere on our front page [16:23] yeah, but does it have to be on the cat-sized title? [16:23] from a pure marketing point of view, it might not be a good selling point, even if we think it's cool. [16:24] yeah, it doesn't need to be in the header [16:24] hehe, cat-sized [16:24] that's a known finnish phrase [16:25] "kissan kokoiset kirjaimet" -> cat-sized letters [16:25] does it mean medium? :) [16:25] liken ot a mouse, and not a dog [16:25] no, it means BIG [16:25] elephants are big! [16:25] also pleia2, but not cats :) [16:26] I suppose tigers are big [16:26] Xubuntu is a Linux operating system and an officially recognised flavor of Ubuntu. [16:26] that? [16:26] is that a bit clumsy, or is it just me [16:26] clumbsy [16:26] hehe [16:27] Xubuntu is an officially recognised flavor of the Ubuntu operating system [16:27] that's what we have now, but since linux ain't on the title.. [16:27] Xubuntu is an officially recognised flavor of the Ubuntu linux operating system [16:27] what about: [16:28] oh, heh [16:28] yeah, that. [16:28] but ubuntu doesn't use linux themself [16:28] and shouldn't that be Linux, not linux [16:29] GridCube: +1 Linux [16:29] uppercase L? [16:29] ok, see how it looks now [16:29] yeah [16:29] i see [16:30] i think that's much better [16:30] what about, Xubuntu is an officially recognised flavor of the Ubuntu's Linux operating system [16:30] no, [16:30] there is no linux system that is "ubuntu's" [16:30] yeah, first way you had it was good [16:30] P: ok [16:30] if we want to tweak it, we could say [16:30] of the Linux-based Ubuntu operating system [16:31] thats clumbsy again [16:31] only a bit, and that would be in line with the fact that canonical doesn't say "Ubuntu Linux" any more [16:31] one more thing: [16:31] should we swap the two paragraphs? [16:32] first telling who xubuntu is perfect for, then telling what it is [16:32] and, easy-to-use vs. easy to use [16:34] what if instead of easy to use we use "accesible" or "user friendly" [16:34] we have easy-to-use in our strategy document, and tbh, i'd say changing the wording (at least to "accessible") changes the meaning [16:35] alright [16:36] I hate -s [16:36] easy to use is nice [16:36] hehe [16:36] what about the paragraph switch? [16:37] actually our SD says: [16:37] Xubuntu is a community-developed, Ubuntu-based operating system that combines elegance and ease of use. [16:38] which is nice wording [16:38] except ubuntu-based and the other dash === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:41] yeah [16:41] ok, that's updated [16:41] again: what about the paragraph swap? [16:44] I need to wait for better internet, taking too long to load pages [16:44] i can paste [16:44] Xubuntu is an officially recognised flavor of the Ubuntu Linux operating system. Xubuntu comes with Xfce, which is a stable, light and configurable desktop environment. [16:44] Xubuntu is perfect for those who want the most out of their desktops, laptops and netbooks with a modern look and enough features for efficient, daily usage. It works well on older hardware too. [16:46] that's what we want, or what we have? [16:46] what we have [16:46] i like it like that [16:47] i'm thinking whether we should swap [16:47] GridCube: +1 [16:47] i'm thinking if liking it like that is because we appreciate more technical details than most of our users [16:47] but sure, let's keep it like that [16:48] no, i mean, if we say what it is then we can understand what its used for [16:48] if you know what something is used for, but not what it is... [16:48] in any case, its far too close for that distinction to matter too much [16:52] right, the social media thing was: [16:52] "If you're using our logo as your avatar or in your website, please use the latest version. If you need help with converting to a specific size, ask the xubuntu-devel mailing list." [16:52] + "Thanks!" === Maple[] is now known as RDisBestPony [16:53] once we get the static. subdomain up, we could dump any images for those requests in a folder there [16:53] (for any sensible requests) [16:59] knome, talking about images [16:59] yes? [16:59] when would you think you can start the desktop showcasing? [16:59] i will have to look into that when i seriously have some time [16:59] i've been awfully busy lately [17:00] we have about 6 images that comply to the rules so its like 2 months if we put a new one every like 2 weeks [17:00] knome, sure [17:00] :) [17:00] bbl-> [17:24] brainwash: can't confirm that lag in kbd shortcut immediately after logging in [17:24] in fact the one I tried worked immediately [17:36] hm, i guess that's good news... [17:37] cause i'd really prefer if that were our private bug [17:37] :) [18:01] probably not though. [18:01] we should fix that for 14.04 [18:01] i'd also say we've hit our deadline for the gtk3 indicators [18:03] possibly - couldn't we call it a Non-release-critical-but-nice-to-have bugfixes :) [18:04] do we have any working indicators? [18:04] some might work... [18:05] no idea, i haven't used gtk2 indicators in ages [18:05] we should just get them in in backports or SRU [18:06] ochosi: only one I had was the sound one till it went [18:06] (-updates) [18:07] and nm applet still works === RDisBestPony is now known as Maple[] [18:39] why not replace the sound indicator with the mixer panel plugin? :) [18:40] cause that doesn't work so well with pulseadio [18:40] not so well = not at all [18:40] works for me, but it's a bad solution anyway [18:40] we could add a launcher for pavucontrol :p [18:41] the mixer plugin can be configured to open pavucontrol [18:41] hm, that would be okayish [18:42] i've never tried it [18:42] gotta go [18:42] hf [18:42] bye [18:44] mixer doesn't work at all for me [18:45] =S [18:46] ali1234, yes, it doesn't work with pulseaudio [18:52] volume changing? [18:53] xfce4-mixer, or the panel plugin [18:53] panel plugin [18:54] as fallback solution for the sound indicator [18:55] i mean, neither works with pulseaudio [19:13] knome: works for me, weird [19:14] [19:14] or what exactly does not work? [19:26] brainwash: ok - I'll confirm it takes a while for \ kbd shortcut to work when login follows a restart/start [19:27] but then it takes a while for any apps starting to start too [19:27] back tomorrow [19:32] Is there anyone with a xubuntu daily iso who can report a bug for me? My pc is too low on RAM to do it [19:33] Go to the manual partitioning options and notice that the checkbox has a grey square around it [21:49] As seen over in #ubuntu-release moments ago: "(05:46:55 PM) Laney has changed the topic to: Released: 13.10 Beta 1, 13.04, and 12.04.3 | Archive: Frozen, final freeze | Saucy Salamander Release Coordination. Please don't upload things during freezes where you shouldn't, or be prepared to apologise to the release team | we accept payment in cash, check or beer | melior malum quod cognoscis" [22:04]