[04:30] <Pwnna> how come everytime i press F12 xfce4-panel disappears?
[04:30] <Pwnna> i have F12 mapped to exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator
[04:31] <Pwnna> i recently booted into dedicated graphics only mode for a minute
[04:31] <Pwnna> and now this happens
[04:31] <Pwnna> wat
[04:32] <holstein> dedicated graphics?
[04:32] <Pwnna> i have an nvidia chip and a intel chip
[04:32] <Pwnna> i needed to hook up to a second monitor.. so i had to boot into nvidia only
[04:32] <Pwnna> the W530's wiring is fucked up
[04:32] <holstein> !language
[04:32] <Pwnna> sorry.
[04:32] <pr0zac> Hi, i'm trying to install xubuntu on a mbp, and runs the grub bot then back screen :(
[04:32] <Pwnna> but yeah. everytime i press F12 it hides? closes? the xfce4-panel
[04:33] <holstein> i have a dual GPU netbook.. but, i have rarely used the nvidia
[04:33] <Pwnna> me too. it was the one instance
[04:33] <holstein> Pwnna: i suppose, it could be crashing.. can you open the terminal otherwise?
[04:33] <Pwnna> yea
[04:33] <Pwnna> i have one opened now
[04:33] <Pwnna> (F12 is my key for opening terminal, too)
[04:34] <Pwnna> but yeah. any ideas?
[04:34] <Pwnna> the font is also messed up on my desktop
[04:34] <Pwnna> also pressing F12 won't launch terminal now, either
[04:34] <zukeprime> how about remapping F12 to xfce4-terminal vs exo-open --launch TerminalEmulator
[04:34] <Pwnna> zukeprime: that's not even getting activated
[04:35] <zukeprime> hmm
[04:35] <Pwnna> right now the problem is that everytime i press F12, panels disappear
[04:35] <zukeprime> I see
[04:35] <Pwnna> which is a big issue
[04:35] <Pwnna> i can't relaunch them either
[04:36] <Pwnna> recvfrom(3, 0x7fd16566a4f4, 4096, 0, 0, 0) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:36] <Pwnna> poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=5, events=POLLIN}, {fd=6, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}], 4, 4294967295
[04:36] <Pwnna> from strace
[04:36] <zukeprime> the only time I've seen that before was with a netbook that required a function keypress to access the F keys.  It defaulted to power management, etc
[04:36] <Pwnna> but how did booting into dedicated screw this up? i had dedicated working before
[04:38] <Pwnna> [~]$ xfce4-panel
[04:38] <Pwnna> xfce4-panel: There is already a running instance
[04:39] <holstein> Pwnna: i would run the *exact* command that is mapped, and see if it is crashing or causing the issue with the panel
[04:39] <holstein> run the command in a terminal
[04:40] <Pwnna> holstein: no problem with that command
[04:40] <Pwnna> in fact, there is another key mapped to it and it has no issue
[04:40] <holstein> Pwnna: i would go with the remap
[04:40] <zukeprime> or reset key assignments just to test it out
[04:41] <holstein> Pwnna: its really hard to say what did what when you are dealing with those proprietary drivers
[04:41] <Pwnna> holstein: i'm back on intel now
[04:41] <holstein> Pwnna: sure, but the nvidia driver *is* installed, and you say you used it and thats when this started happening
[04:42] <holstein> i would purgen the driver.. i would test as another user.. i would try and remove my users config from the equation.. or just deal with another key combination for launching a terminal
[04:42] <Pwnna> actually
[04:42] <holstein> purge*
[04:42] <Pwnna> if i unmapped the key F12
[04:42] <Pwnna> pressing F12 won't kill my panel
[04:42] <Pwnna> aha!
[04:42] <Pwnna> so pressing F12 somehow moves the panel to LSVD-0
[04:43] <Pwnna> my screen is LSVD1 when i use intel
[04:43] <Pwnna> but 0 when i use nvidia
[04:43] <Pwnna> but why when i have F12 mapped and when it starts?
[04:44] <zukeprime> didn't xubuntu just update multi-monitor support in 13.10
[04:44] <zukeprime> or was that xfce 4.12 dev repo?  I forget
[04:44] <Pwnna> but only F12
[04:44] <Pwnna> and only when i map it
[04:44] <Pwnna> and it doesn't matter what i map it to
[04:46] <Pwnna> is there anywhere else where i can map keys or something?
[04:46] <holstein> Pwnna: is it still doing it as another user?
[04:46] <Pwnna> what do you mean?
[04:46] <Pwnna> and i'm going to kill the nvidia modules..
[04:46] <holstein> Pwnna: if you test as another user, you will remove your user config from the equation
[04:46] <Pwnna> oh
[04:47] <Pwnna> idk. i don't have another user
[04:47] <Pwnna> i can try in a minute
[04:47] <holstein> theres always the guest user..
[04:48] <Pwnna> yeah
[04:48] <Pwnna> i think i disabled that. lol
[04:48] <holstein> Pwnna: if you are asking for a suggestion.. try removing your users config from the equation.. that can be done several ways.. the guest user and making a new user are just 2 of those ways
[04:49] <Pwnna> purging the nvidia driver does not help
[04:49] <Pwnna> yeah. i'm going to do that. just trying to do this one step at a time
[04:50] <Pwnna> holstein: looks like that's it
[04:50] <Pwnna> an user config error
[04:50] <Pwnna> holstein: creating a new user does not induce this problem. any idea where this might be?
[04:52] <holstein> Pwnna: somewhere in your /home.. what would i do? i usually just move everything out, and put back just what i need/want.. and test
[04:52] <Pwnna> holstein: ogod.. there will be too many things
[04:52] <Pwnna> i'll be here till next month
[04:52] <holstein> Pwnna: probably not
[04:52] <Pwnna> also => font looks weird
[04:52] <Pwnna> http://i.imgur.com/sZwZTl4.png
[04:53] <holstein> Pwnna: thats probably just the grahpics driver being different than you are used to
[04:53] <Pwnna> holstein: . no i'm using the intel driver.
[04:53] <Pwnna> i actually just purged the intel driver
[04:53] <Pwnna> and i'm on intel only mode again
[04:53] <holstein> Pwnna: im just stating what i have seen on my hardware like that
[04:54] <holstein> Pwnna: it can be odd.. why are the fonts "odd"? i dont know, but its likely driver related.. and you need to install drivers anyway.. so i wouldnt worry about it right now
[04:55] <holstein> i would get your f12 key however you want it to be, thenn reinstall whatever drivers.. then mess with the font issue if its still there... doing one step at a time..
[04:55] <Pwnna> i don't need the drivers..
[04:55] <Pwnna> i run on intel mode. today was a special occasion
[04:55] <Pwnna> i see some weird stuff in settings editor
[04:56] <holstein> Pwnna: i need the driver to disable my nvidia GPU.. anyway, do what you want
[04:56] <holstein> i would troubleshoot the other issue first..
[04:56] <Pwnna> i have BIOS disabled nvidia
[04:56] <holstein> Pwnna: enjoy that!
[04:57] <Pwnna> yeah. so everytime i press F12 it sets the output display for both of my panels to the wront screen
[05:01] <Pwnna> i don't get this
[05:02] <Pwnna> what...
[05:07] <Pwnna> yeah. something is changing this.. but what?
[05:07] <Pwnna> from monitor i can see it is being changes
[07:03] <Xabster> Hi, how do I change default media player?
[07:04] <Xabster> Also, is there a way to make Chromium know what to do with magnet links (run transmission)?
[08:19] <nikolam> I have something to say about window manager on xubuntu 32bit 12.04LTS : it does not focus newly created windows, (they all start un-focused) so i must first click in the window to use it.
[08:21] <nikolam> I suppose default should be that he focus new window when opening, so user can use it, right?
[08:23] <nikolam> Does "activate focus stealing prevention" have something to do with it (unchecked) and "Honor standard ICCCM focus hint" (checked)
[08:24] <nikolam> OK, it is gone after activating "focus stealing prevention". But it is interesting if that is by default unselected or what is actually stealing focus?
[09:35] <mirkoc> hello how can i fix the indicator-sound--service problem in 13.10? if i kill the currently running indicator-sound-service and run /usr/lib/indicator-sound-gtk2/indicator-sound-service it starts working again.
[10:25] <habtool> @mirkoc https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[13:24] <gdos> using thunar: i am un-able to browse the network. it times out whenever i click on the browse network icon in the sidebar.
[13:24] <gdos> but then when i manually type in smb:/// i can see my network and when i try to click on a folder it times out again.
[13:59] <holstein> gdos: i use gigolo
[13:59] <holstein> !info gigolo
[14:57] <xubuntu513> i have ubuntu 13.04 and graphic card is sis 771/671 integrated can you help me to install the right driver for it? please!!
[15:00] <xubuntu513> i have ubuntu 13.04 and graphic card is sis 771/671 integrated can you help me to install the right driver for it? please!!
[15:00] <GridCube> !patience | xubuntu513
[15:11] <GridCube> xubuntu513, https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/301958
[15:38] <gdos> i'll check it out holstein.
[15:42] <gdos> holstein: i'm still getting a "connection timed out message"
[16:19] <gdos> is it possible to have network settings (more specifically dns settings) on a per user basis?
[16:27] <TheSheep> gdos: sure
[16:28] <TheSheep> gdos: in the network connections you have a checkbox for making the particular connection global (available for all users) or just for the current user
[16:28] <gdos> its ticked for all users.
[16:28] <TheSheep> then create a new one just for yourself
[16:35] <gdos> oh i'll try that. thanks. :)
[16:37] <gdos> TheSheep: is it possible to 'copy' settings from one profile to another and then adjust as necessary?
[16:40] <gdos> TheSheep: for my settings i uncheck auto connect to this network for them and tick the network that *I* want to connect at startup, correct?
[16:40] <TheSheep> yes
[16:41] <TheSheep> no idea about copying over stuff
[16:41] <gdos> ok.
[16:41] <gdos> and my new settings (for myself) shouldn't mess with their side when they log in correct?
[16:42] <TheSheep> yeah
[16:42] <gdos> sweet. thanks. trying it now. :)
[19:05] <K1rk_2> Hi, my K1rk account is banned here because of an excess flood caused by my BNC.  Can the ban for K1rk be lifted?  I have resolved the connectivity issue.
[19:06] <K1rk_2> TheSheep, knome, bazhang, mneptok any of you folks available to lift the ban for K1rk for the connectivity issue?  Thanks :)
[19:06] <GridCube> K1rk_2, you should ask on #ubuntu-ops
[19:07] <K1rk_2> GridCube: okay sorry, the #fix_your_connection channel just told me to look for ops... didn't give any specifics.
[19:07] <GridCube> K1rk_2, dont worry, you just will get faster response there
[19:11] <knome> Myrtti, cheers.
[19:11] <Myrtti> np
[19:24] <gdos> i use 'RUN PROGRAM...' quite frequently (rather than the 'Applications Menu'), how can I create a launcher for 'RUN PROGRAM...' on my panel?
[19:30] <brainwash> gdos: the command is "xfce4-appfinder --collapsed"
[19:32] <xubuntu673> Hi, I just installed Xubuntu and mb sb can explain me why when I write apt-get update and then upgrade it says everything is installed, but software center says there are 7 more possible updates
[19:32] <xubuntu673> I thought apt-get checks everything and upgrades it
[19:32] <gdos> thanks brainwash
[19:34] <bgardner> xubuntu673: apt-get upgrade probably said "7 packages kept back", is that true?  Try 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[19:37] <xubuntu673> The following packages have been kept back:   linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[19:37] <bgardner> xubuntu673: And there you go.  apt-get upgrade won't add new packages without your say-so.  Use apt-get dist-upgrade for that.
[19:38] <xubuntu673> it does work now, thank!
[19:38] <xubuntu673> thanks*
[19:39] <peyam> knome: I solved the problem. Just deleted xfce updates from resources and installed the updates i needed before that
[20:19] <davidvj> can somebody advise whether the nvidia-prime drivers are a part of the 13.10 installation?
[20:20] <peyam> installation?
[20:20] <phillw> knome: I've looked at https://launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/patch-test/+packages but cannot find the ppa name that I need to add via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PPA_Testing#How_to_Install_a_ppa_.28aka_Adding.29 which is the only way I'm familiar with.
[20:20] <peyam> i dont think so. you will activate them after installation
[20:21] <davidvj> thanks all .... out
[20:32] <knome> phillw, ppa:~micahg/patch-test
[20:33] <Unit193> knome: Good one, also might want to lose the tilde.
[20:33] <knome> phillw, actually i think ppa:micahg/patch-test
[20:33] <knome> Unit193, that^
[20:33] <phillw> knome: thanks, unit 193 has also just given me further instructions !
[20:33] <Unit193> Ah, I see, crossposting...
[20:33] <phillw> I'm only a tester and need things explained as per our documentation :P
[20:33] <knome> oh my
[20:37] <phillw> Unit193: I didn't see you on the list as being here, hence my going back to #lubuntu :)
[20:38] <phillw> ppa added... what package to add?
[20:42] <knome> phillw, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:43] <knome> phillw, you shouldn't need to add any package, some just should be updated
[20:43] <phillw> ooh, the 2nd one will take a while.... the update is rattling away quite happily
[20:43] <xubuntu936> Forwarding audio to multiple remote desktops doesn't work.
[20:44] <xubuntu936> The problem was already familiar with Ubuntu 10:04
[20:44] <xubuntu936> We installed Xubuntu 13.
[20:44] <xubuntu936> But we don't know how to forward the audio, so that it will work locally.
[20:44] <phillw> I'll fire in the upgrade when the update is completed, but my VM is over a week old since last update.
[20:45] <phillw> it will be completed today :)
[20:45] <xubuntu936> http://www.cheska-ict.nl/
[20:45] <Unit193> xubuntu936: Is multiple remote audio servers supposed to work?
[20:45] <Unit193> Seems padevchooser only supports one server.
[20:46] <xubuntu936> We made two accounts with paswords
[20:47] <xubuntu936> In ubuntu 10.04 we installe samba, alsa, pulse audi and allow multiple users but it won't wordk
[20:48] <xubuntu936> in xubuntu same problem
[20:50] <xubuntu936> we  made a little network en we connected two accounts at the "server"
[20:51] <kordis> is it possible to make the windows full screen instead of only half when snapping it to the upper screen border?
[20:52] <bekks> kordis: Sure, snap it to the top, not to the left or right.
[20:52] <kordis> snapping to the top makes it only half full
[20:52] <xubuntu936> everyting works fine the resolution etc. but the sound is still hanging at the server
[20:54] <bekks> kordis: Snapping it to the top snaps it fullscreen here.
[20:54] <Unit193> bekks: Really?  That's not supported in Xfwm right now.
[20:55] <kordis> hm, so why doesnt it work for me.. Ill go see the settings one more time
[20:55] <kordis> I just installed Xubuntu :)
[20:55] <bekks> Unit193: Ah, xfwm. Nope, not using xfwm here :)
[20:55] <Unit193> That could be why. :P
[20:56] <bekks> Unit193: It would be a viable explanation at least :P
[21:00] <kordis> cant find anything in the settings :/
[21:01] <kordis> it works only for already maximized windows, if I try to resnap it without letting my mouse button
[21:05] <Unit193> kordis: Yes, sadly it's not supported in xfwm right now, I'd prefer that as well.
[21:06] <kordis> maybe theres some config file somewhere deeper when I could just change some settings
[21:06] <kordis> maybe if not making it fullscreen, I just could make it as big as my resolution or smth like that
[21:28] <phillw> knome:  Unit193: I have the new updates in my VM. notifications are okay (I re-started the network via the little icon and the 'bubble' appeared fine). But, when I selected 'Power Manager' it popped a window up telling me that xfce power manager was not running and would I like to start it. It gave no issues when I said yes and is quite happy. To me, this is not a bug; it is simply telling me "Hey, I'm not using up resources on your computer; if you w
[21:29] <phillw> are there any other tests you'd like me to do? from this, I'm quite happy to add it to my hardware machine.
[22:04] <xubuntu964> hi everyone, can you help me. on the top panel which is at the bottom at the moment there are some starter shortcuts (notepad, firefox, terminal etc) on the left and some on the right side (clock, network, radio etc) now i messed up by deleting separators. I could put them back but when i open an application it goes on the left side instead of the right. How can I handle this?
[22:57] <xubuntu190> i just installed xubuntu and i need wifi drivers that are compatible
[22:58] <xubuntu190> suggestions?
[22:59] <knome> xubuntu190, help us a bit; what's your hardware?
[23:02] <xubuntu190> hewlett packard.  intel pentium. 64 bit
[23:04] <knome> xubuntu190, open a terminal and run: sudo lshw -C network | pastebinit
[23:04] <xubuntu190> hp notebook 2000
[23:04] <knome> xubuntu190, and paste us the link the terminal outputs
[23:05] <phillw> knome: I'll leave him your more exprienced hands, I was going for 'lspci | grep ire' to check that they had broadcom :D
[23:07] <phillw> knome: but while you are here. Are there any more tests you wish me to do for https://launchpad.net/~micahg/+archive/patch-test/+packages ?
[23:07] <knome> phillw, nope. thanks for confirming stuff works
[23:07] <knome> phillw, though you might want to see the last comment in bug 1177116
[23:07] <phillw> I'll add it to my hardware
[23:08] <knome> phillw, or is lubuntu using xfwm4 too?
[23:08] <kirashi> hello
[23:08] <knome> (i doubt)
[23:09] <kirashi> Can anyone help me with a problem I'm having, the problem being on Windows I have extremely fast connection, but on xubuntu my connection is extremely slow, I can't even buffer a YouTube video, any ideas why?
[23:09] <knome> kirashi, what's your network hardware?
[23:10] <kirashi> um how do I check? :S
[23:10] <knome> kirashi, in terminal, type: lshw -C network | pastebinit
[23:10] <knome> kirashi, and paste us the URL
[23:10] <knome> sorry,
[23:10] <knome> run: sudo lshw ...
[23:12] <kirashi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6220160/
[23:12] <phillw> knome: you'd need to look at the build list for lubuntu to check that out. You'll be able to find that far faster than I can :)
[23:12] <knome> heh. sure.
[23:13] <knome> phillw, yeah, you're not using xfwm4. so basically, if you still have that bug, you have a different, but similar bug
[23:14] <kirashi> any idea knome? :o
[23:15] <knome> kirashi, no, i'm not too experienced with networking stuff, but that information should make it easier for others to help, or help you find support in other places
[23:16] <kirashi> knome, am I better off starting up a thread on the forums and see what happens there?
[23:16] <phillw> knome: Ì'm sure I've seen the bug in chatter, but that may have been when I was receiving every bug report that may affect lubuntu. I will, however, mention the bug to the lubuntu testers and ask that they see if it is there.
[23:16] <knome> kirashi, i would imagine there are threads that include that card already
[23:16] <knome> kirashi, or other tutorials to help with debugging/troubleshooting
[23:17] <knome> phillw, yeah well, it was marked as affecting lubuntu-artwork (and xubuntu-artwork), but that's invalid.
[23:18] <phillw> kirashi: head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336 have read of the sticky; if there is not an answer there, ask on there and post up the paste bin that knome asked you to make.
[23:18] <knome> phillw, (or what do i know about lubuntu's situation!) but for xubuntu, the bug is in xfwm4
[23:18] <kirashi> Guess I'll be waiting a while either way, since the internet is slow T_T
[23:18] <Unit193> !ralink
[23:18] <Unit193> kirashi: Can't use ethernet?
[23:18] <kirashi> unit193, nope :C
[23:21] <phillw> knome: I've been running 13.10 since alpha 1 as my 'live machine' on hardware. But, as I'm an alterant ISO tester it would be unlikely for me to meet it.
[23:22] <knome> phillw, well the bug is most possibly extending beyond ubiquity
[23:22] <knome> phillw, in xfwm4, the bug is visible with all 'dialog' type windows. for lubuntu and your window manager
[23:23] <knome> phillw, it's possible that lubuntu's window manager (openbox?) has a similar problem; OR, it is plausible that it only happens in ubiquity for lubuntu as well
[23:25] <phillw> knome: ìs PM oaky?
[23:25] <phillw> *oaky*
[23:25] <phillw> grr... *okay*
[23:26] <aicasn> i'm still tar/bz'ing my data for achival. is there a better way nowadays than    tar cv folder-to-archieve | bzip2 -9c > save.tar.bz2   ?
[23:27] <knome> phillw, yup
[23:27] <phillw> knome: just want you to proof read and correct an email I'm going to send to the lubuntu testers.
[23:28] <Unit193> aicasn: tar jvcf backup.tar.bz2 /home/unit193/what-is-this-even-doing-here/
[23:29] <aicasn> Unit193: yeah essentially the same thing, no?
[23:31] <Unit193> Yes, it's the same without a pipe.  I'd use rsync to copy it wherever I want it to go too.  There's other applications people like to use though, some are listed here: http://docs.xubuntu.org/1304/guide-keeping-safe.html#backup-regularly
[23:32] <kirashi> Pages aren't even loading :/
[23:34] <Unit193> kirashi: What version of Xubuntu?
[23:35] <kirashi> 13.04
[23:39] <Unit193> OK, first try   sudo rfkill unblock all   then http://davidcortijo.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/ubuntu-12-04-how-to-solve-the-wifi-interface-using-ralink-rt3090-card/ seems to indicate that  sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off  will turn off the powersaver function of your wireless card.
[23:39] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1020081 may be worth looking at, even if it's a bit dated.
[23:39] <aicasn> hmm haven't tried 13 yet. still on 12.10
[23:40]  * Unit193 is on 13.10. :P
[23:41] <aicasn> i'll try anything so long as it doesn't have a Metro screen
[23:45] <Timkanpy> Hello !
[23:46] <Timkanpy> I'm trying to install flash player for Xubuntu but until now I haven't succeeded, any advice ,
[23:46] <Timkanpy> *?
[23:47] <kirashi> Unit193, on the first link you gave, it says to do sudo gedit /etc/network and lists some stuff, am I meant to copy all that into mine? it's not really clear about that (mine only has this: # symbolic names for networks, see networks(5) for more information
[23:47] <kirashi> link-local 169.254.0.0)
[23:47] <Unit193> Timkanpy: intall flashplugin-installer
[23:48] <Unit193> kirashi: I wouldn't personally no, and that exact text isn't meant to work on your network.
[23:48] <Timkanpy> Ok, gonna try it, thanks Unit193
[23:58] <kirashi> tried it all Unit193 and it's still slow :c it has to be something with ubuntu because it works perfectly on windows :o