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fritiSo i have a problem. I went to launchpad yesterday for the first time in years, thinking i'd do some translating of kubuntu-docs, just to find out that kubuntu-docs have been removed from LP. Aparrently, the official(?) documentation is now at wiki.kubuntu.org. My question is now,how do we i18n the docs?02:21
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blackkde1new light display manager user account found  in kubuntu 13.10 fresh install login screen . any help?04:15
valoriefriti: that's a real problem04:47
valorieeventually we hope to have a small set of docs in docbook, which could be translated into everything04:48
valorieand which would rarely change04:48
valorieour former doc folks left or got busy with other stuff, and us newbies are doing the best we can04:49
valorienot quite good enough, so far04:49
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Guest3903someone around who could help me with a ubiquity issue?06:37
Guest3903this is the issue i'm facing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/123844606:37
ubottuUbuntu bug 1238446 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity is stuck after "Prepare" step" [Undecided,New]06:37
valorieGuest3903: have you asked in #ubuntu+1 ?07:10
valoriethat chan is for all flavors of Ubuntu07:10
valorieSaucy07:10
Guest3903valorie: already tried there, yes07:12
valoriethat's where the specialists are, and those who can help07:13
valorieif they aren't answering, they are probably asleep/busy with other tasks07:14
valoriedid you file the bug?07:14
valorieif not, did you add your experience to it?07:14
Guest3903yes, i did file a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/123844607:15
ubottuUbuntu bug 1238446 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity is stuck after "Prepare" step" [Undecided,New]07:15
valorieah, I see from #kubuntu-devel that you did file it07:16
valorieplease stick to the proper chan and don't cross-post07:16
valorieand the proper chan is +107:17
valoriethat said, you might add that you have tested both the beta and the daily07:19
* valorie isn't in +107:19
Guest3903valorie: i generally wouldn't cross-post, but i thought it might be an important bug, being this close to the release07:20
Guest3903so i wanted to provide all the info i could get07:20
Guest3903valorie: if nothing else, at least get all info in07:20
valorieoh, I agree07:21
valoriehowever, cross-posting 1. doesn't get you the info any faster and 2. sets a bad example07:21
valoriethat said, thanks for caring enough to post a bug with extensive information07:22
valorieas you say, it's close to the deadline, and this needs fixing07:22
Guest3903valorie: indeed: i have a feeling i can resolve the problem by clearing out all my partitions, but i thought i'd rather file the bug so that if it's a ubiquity problem, it can be fixed07:23
valorieclearing out all your partitions sounds rather extreme07:24
Guest3903wouldn't hurt, i was planning to use that installer option anyway.07:25
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lordievaderGood morning.09:47
BluesKaj_Hey folks10:57
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user_111:50
user_мудашлепы!!! есть кто на русском?11:50
avihay!ru11:51
ubottuПожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.11:51
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ZepoHey Guys, I have a problem with fish ( the ssh protocoll ) I create a config file and am able to connect via ssh, but not with fish , it just say "Could not connect"13:18
zhicki need help debugging a problem. i just upgraded my 13.11 install and afterwards did an autoremove to remove old kernels n stuff. now my networkmanagement-plasmoid wont show.13:42
zhickwhen i try to add a new widget it also does not appear in the list13:44
zhickplasma-nm and plasma-widget-networkmanager are both installed though13:45
BluesKajzhick. that's a bug in 13.10 , update and upgrade and the plasma-nm should reinstall , also 13.10 queries should done in #ubuintu+113:45
zhickBluesKaj, sorry didnt know about #ubuntu+1. thanks for solving my problem :)13:47
BluesKajzhick. np , just reinstall the NM widget , it should be there13:47
BluesKaj type net in widget search13:48
BluesKajzhick.^13:49
zhickproblem is ive got no network on the machine due to the networkmanagement widget missing.13:49
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ZepoHey Guys, I have a problem with fish ( the ssh protocoll ) I create a config file and am able to connect via ssh, but not with fish , it just say "Could not connect"13:49
BluesKajzhick. , not connected to the internet ?13:50
zhickbut ill figure something out :)13:50
BluesKajzhick. open a terminal and run sudo dhclient13:50
zhickBluesKaj, ive only got wireless available13:51
BluesKajfor ethernet13:51
zhickill just download the package on this machine and transfer it via usb-stick13:51
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zhickBluesKaj, it's working now. thanks :)14:04
BluesKajzhick. good to hear :)14:06
ZepoSo noone has a quick solution for me ? :(14:10
BluesKajZepo. try smb or samba14:13
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dagleI want to do an uefi install. Do I need to do anything execpt creating an efi partion and making it bootable and choosing to install the bootloader to that partion?14:32
dagleUefi can boot the bootloader but the bootloader drops into a shell.14:33
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tatiewhy the Firefox doesn't offer "Open file with", but  only "save" or "cancel" when clicking on file link?16:10
LinuxDadtatie:  are you right clicking or just clicking ?16:17
tatieclicking16:19
tatiefile is PDF16:19
tatiesame hapens with right click & open in new tab16:20
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alvinIs Kubuntu Active only 32-bit?17:26
Shivaalvin, as far as I know 32 bit is recommended , but 64 bit should work fine as well :)17:27
alvinThe machine has 8 GB ram, hence the question. But where do I find the images? Or can I start with Kubuntu and then add plasma-active?17:28
Shivahttp://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download-lts#download-block17:30
alvinThat's not only 1.5 years old, it's also only 32-bit17:30
keithzgIs there any effect or program out there for using a key-combo to "ping" a mouse? My officemate often can't find his mouse, heh, and I *swear* I remember that being a thing.17:31
* alvin was looking here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/current/17:31
alvinkeithzg: It's in system settings -> desktop effects somewhere17:31
keithzgalvin: Yeah, I'm looking there and I don't see it...17:31
keithzgaha, I'm just blind, it's "Track Mouse"17:32
alvinYes :-)17:32
Shivaalvin, you can get  at regular download section download  button of link i pasted17:33
alvinShiva: I think you misunderstodd. I'm looking for a 64-bit version of Kubuntu Active17:33
Shivaalso since its LTS  version you could get long term support as well17:33
alvinNot just Kubuntu17:33
ShivaI m sorry, I thought its just kubuntu17:34
alvinWell, I don't believe in Long Term Support. There are quite a lot more bug fixes in the Kubuntu PPA's within monthly KDE updates, than in an LTS. An LTS just supports your bugs longer. Not what I want.17:34
alvinThe KDE version in Saucey (not Saucy itself) is far more stable than the KDE version in 12.0417:35
Shivahttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/releases/13.04/release/17:35
alvinThe Ubuntu layer has regressions unfortunately17:36
Shivamight be helpful, but though cant find 64 bit on quick look17:36
dagleAny body have any clue why my uefi system wont boot by default (I'm pretty sure I could fix it but it's not my computer)?17:36
alvinYes :-( Ans as you can see, that's 64-bit only17:36
alvindagle: Good question. I'll wait a year and then try UEFI. It's probably possible, but not easy.17:37
daglealvin: So the installer can't do uefi by default?17:37
dagleI have used uefi for almost 2 years now on linux...17:37
alvinI didn't say that. I believe it can, but maybe not on every motherboard yet. I've used it in the past. By accident. It was hard to fix when things started to go wrong.17:38
dagleAnd, sure I could fix it but I don't want to maintain it on his computer and I want him to be able to reinstall if he needs to.17:38
alvinI've read somethig about setting the GPT volumes bootable, but I'm really not sure about that one.17:39
dagleI created an efi partion, set it to bootable and installed grub to that partion.17:40
dagleSo far so good, grub starts but it can't find the install and I don't know why.17:40
dagleShould be pretty easy to fix with a chroot etc but it still bothers me.17:40
dagleSo, what does the efi options in the kubuntu installer do? Or is it just a bug?17:46
keithzgdagle: worked fine for me when I installed on my current desktop at work, although that was 12.10 IIRC.17:49
alvinA friend of mine reently tried to install using UEFI, but he didn't succeed17:50
keithzgI've failed once, because I dumbly forgot to boot the DVD in UEFI mode. But other than that every time I've installed has been peachy keen.17:50
daglekeithzg: And did you do anything more than I did? Because grub boots just fine but drops to a shell... smells like kubuntu is doing something wrong.17:50
keithzgdagle: I certainly didn't do anything fancy; just made an EFI partition and a partition for everything else. Even used BTRFS as my root just to be cowboy ;)17:53
mohidin_tes18:03
keithzgt?18:03
mohidin_hallo18:04
mohidin_i am from indonesia18:04
mohidin_i use ubuntu 13.0418:04
BluesKajmo olk , do you have a question ?18:08
BluesKajmohidin_.^18:09
mohidin_yes.. i have question..18:09
mohidin_if i want application like internet download manager in ubuntu....is there any app it is same with IDM ?18:10
BluesKajmohidin_. try kget18:12
BluesKaj!kget  | mohidin_18:13
BluesKaj!info kget18:13
ubottukget (source: kdenetwork): download manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.10.5+dfsg1-0ubuntu0.1 (raring), package size 1553 kB, installed size 4276 kB18:13
mohidin_in software center ?? is there ?18:13
BluesKajyes18:13
BluesKaj or sudo apt-get install kget in the konsole , mohidin_18:14
mohidin_oke..i will try it...thanks.18:14
BluesKajmohidin_. for torrents use ktorrent18:15
BluesKajmohidin_. but kger works too18:16
BluesKajget18:16
mohidin_oke ....i will test it as soon i download kget.18:16
mohidin_hallo18:18
mohidin_i want to ask again18:18
mohidin_if i want to connect kget with mozila ??18:18
BluesKajmohidin_. use ktorrent with FF/mozilla18:24
BluesKajfor torrent files18:24
BluesKajfor other types of files i use wget in the terminal , youtube-dl for youtube flash files18:25
mohidin_it is kget can download from youtube ?18:27
mohidin_can you mention me ?18:28
rickyrayjaykubuntu...kinda like. i know it has the "auto detect" where it knows if its a netbook or desktop/laptop based on resolution. is there a way i can have my netbook use the desktop version?18:30
BluesKaj_FF froze my desktop , some kind of glitch and it wouldn't shutdown so I had to REISUB with alt + prtscrn ..running latest daily 13.1018:38
xxxHello all, may I beg for help? :)18:42
BluesKaj_no need to beg , xxx , just ask18:43
xxxThanks. :)18:43
xxxanyway, I tried installing Kubuntu on manual partitioning, I made / partition and swap as well home partition. Installation starts, I set up my options and at the end I get this message: http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=8_error.png18:45
xxxCould you help me with this? I have preinstalled Win818:45
lordievaderxxx: Is it a UEFI computer?18:45
xxxUnfortunately yes.18:45
lordievaderxxx: Ugh, I have heard of many troubles with UEFI, hopefully for you this guide gets you through the maze: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI18:46
xxxI think it might be connected with Ubuntu being previously installed. I think I managed to clear it out of the PC, but in boot options in BIOS, I still have Ubuntu boot option.18:46
xxxYes, I know about that tutorial, but I am a Linux beginner and find it not very understandable.18:47
xxxProblem is, as Win8 was preinstalled I have 5 partitions(C: and D: normal , but 3 hidden) and I can't make it out, if they were installed by Win or one is left from the Ubuntu installation.18:48
xxxI think that, removing the left Ubuntu partition, would solve the problem, but I can't decide if there is a Ubuntu partiotion or no.18:49
lordievaderxxx: You could mount them and see what is on there.18:50
xxxProbably need to do that in Kubuntu?18:51
lordievaderxxx: Yes, probably. Then you can mount them too if they are of the ext family.18:52
lordievadertoo if = even if18:52
xxxWill I be able to mount even the Win8 hidden partitions?18:53
xxxin Kubuntu?18:53
lordievaderxxx: Yes you can mount ntfs partitions in (K)Ubuntu.18:53
xxxOk, thanks a lot. I will try this way to find out. Cheers. :)18:54
lordievaderGood luck!18:54
sunny_leisn't there ubuntu software center in kubuntu ?19:00
BluesKaj_yes it's called muon19:01
BluesKaj_and muon software center19:01
BluesKaj_sunny_le.^19:02
sunny_leBluesKaj_, yeah but the packges are not organized according to category as done in ubuntu software center19:02
sunny_leok got it :)19:02
sunny_leit's all the same only bit different layout :)19:03
BluesKaj_sunny_le. well ,neither is desktop on kubuntu , but I'm sure you'll find the muon software center quite comprehensive if you use it for a while19:03
sunny_leBluesKaj_, yeah you are correct, i need to get bit familiar to it.19:04
BluesKaj_or you could use muon as a reference for info on packages and use the konsole to install them19:05
sunny_leBluesKaj_, ok :)19:10
sunny_leBluesKaj_, if i am installing file server, print server and other such services  on my kubuntu then the transition from 13.04 to 13.10 is smooth or there may be some issues ? because i have heard that we have to install new version every 6 months ?19:14
BluesKaj_sunny_le. you don't "have to" install a new version every 6 months , most versions are supported much longer , like the LTS versions19:16
BluesKaj_!LTS | sunny_le19:16
ubottusunny_le: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; with the exception of 12.04 (Precise Pangolin), which will be supported for 5 years on the desktop. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Precise (Precise Pangolin 12.04)19:16
sunny_leBluesKaj_, this means that there is no breakages of packages on upgrading to a newer version correct ?19:17
sunny_lei have started loving Kubuntu :D :D19:17
BluesKaj_the next LTS version will be 14.04 , due to be released in April 201419:17
BluesKaj_sunny_le. there are no guarantees , , but best practice usually means to install a new release at least one month after the official release date.19:19
BluesKaj_espcially if you are an "on the job" user...home users can be more adventurous19:20
sunny_leBluesKaj_, what you suggest if i want to create a home server ?19:20
sunny_lekubuntu 12.04 or 13.04 ?19:21
BluesKaj_depends how you want to use the server ,m are you thinking of hostiong a website or just stream media etc on a home network19:23
BluesKaj_sunny_le. ^19:23
sunny_lehosting my  website too19:24
lordievadersunny_le: For my server I use Ubuntu Server 12.04, a gui for a server is pretty pointless.19:26
BluesKaj_I was about to suggest sunny_le  ask in #ubuntu-server19:27
rodniceQUESTION: Does anyone know how I would go about fixing AUDIO?  Specifically, Studio programs (Ardour, Hydrogen) tend to hog all of the audio when they are opened and don't let go of the resource until I restart the computer.19:27
lordievaderrodnice: Are they set to use ALSA directly?19:29
BluesKaj_lordievader. i don't host a website , but this pc is server for our home network , and it would pointless not to have a DE19:29
rodnicelordievader: not sure.  I had installed and uninstalled some pavuaudio stuff that was mentioned19:29
BluesKaj_what are you using ardour etc for , are you recording with jack or audacity ?19:30
lordievaderBluesKaj_: To me a server is typically without a monitor. Depends on the/your definition of server I guess.19:30
BluesKaj_rodnice.^19:31
BluesKaj_yeah , my external drive could be called a server , it has no OS or DE :)19:31
eagles0513875_hey guys i just installed raring on my laptop which has a uefi bios and for some reason i dont get any login screen what so ever19:32
eagles0513875_just a black screen19:32
BluesKaj_eagles0513875_. can you get to a tty ?19:32
eagles0513875_what is the shortcut to get the grub menu? was going to go down into recovery with networking and upgrade that way19:32
eagles0513875_BluesKaj_: no19:32
eagles0513875_BluesKaj_: i was actually going to do a network upgrade over the network if i could get into recovery through grub which does pop up19:33
eagles0513875_its after that which doesnt19:33
eagles0513875_hold on one min19:33
rodniceBluesKaj: just a sec19:33
BluesKaj_eagles0513875_. have you tried the shift key immediately following the Bios19:33
lordievadereagles0513875_: You mean shift? Hold that and you should get the grub menu.19:33
eagles0513875_ok19:34
eagles0513875_it used to be the esc key19:34
BluesKaj_left shift preferrably19:34
eagles0513875_ok19:35
rodniceBluesKaj:  I was trying to play with Hydrogen while watching a Hydrogen tutorial at the same time.  I installed and uninstalled a Jack program. Have not installed Audacity.19:38
eagles0513875_going to upgrade to saucy BluesKaj_  and see if that helps me any19:38
eagles0513875_BluesKaj_: lordievader  will chat with you in ubuntu +119:38
lordievadereagles0513875_: I'm not in ubu+1.19:38
eagles0513875_ok19:39
eagles0513875_well i will chat with you then in offtopic lordievader19:39
lordievaderrodnice: Jack claims your sound card, so you browser(?) can't have any sound output.19:39
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rodnicelordievader: hm... I was playing video in VLC and had Hydrogen open.  A friend has a similar problem when running a video and Hydrogen.19:56
rodnicelordievader: sorry, we're both inexperienced Linux users19:57
lordievaderHydrogen probably claims the audio card through ALSA or JACK and therefore other applications cannot access it anymore.19:57
lordievaderrodnice: There is no real fix for it, other than closing Hydrogen.19:58
ed8744564399hi anyone knows a good utility or smth for open vpn so that when it disconnects it would automatically reconnect or atleast block traffic while disconnected?20:00
rodniceawww20:04
rodnice:-(20:04
rodnicelordievader: is that due to system limitations or my understanding of how Linux works vs. Windows?20:04
lordievaderrodnice: Hydrogen wants low latency, for browsers or media players latency isn't much of a problem.20:05
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rodnicelordievader: ahhhh20:06
rodnicelordievader: how do you know all this stuff?20:12
rodnicelordievader: (thanks by the way)20:12
lordievaderrodnice: Experiment, read, think, that sort of stuff ;)20:14
lordievaderAnd no problem.20:14
rodnicelordievader: Man, latency?  I'm not sure what in my search would have triggered me to read up on that.  It's like I was looking for a Dunkin Donuts on the wrong street.20:15
rodnicelordievader: but I'll research the latency (whatever that is, lol) issue more in depth. at least I know now where to go20:16
lordievaderrodnice: Latency is the time it takes from input to output. For example if you use your computer as a guitar fx-box if the latency is more than 5 ms you'll hear it the sound coming from your computer lagging behind.20:19
rickyrayjaydoes anyone know if i can install the lastest version on kubuntu as the desktop version on my netbook? it has the auto detection on install that defaults to netbook version based on resolution detection...20:22
rodnicelordievader: ooooooh20:24
rodnicelordievader: I'm learning and I really do appreciate it20:24
rodnicelordievader: Just thinking that my fellow newbies coming from Windows would be totally lost trying to understand that20:25
rodnicelordievader: closing Hydrogen seems to keep my audio "locked" until restart.  Do you think Ubuntu Studio would be optimized to avoid that affect?20:26
eagles0513875_rodnice: is hydrogen working with real time audio? if it is it could be that its failign to release the lock after hydrogen is closed20:27
lordievaderrodnice: It exists in Windows too, it's ASIO ;)20:28
rodniceeagles0513875_: I'm not sure ift it is or how to check for that20:28
lordievaderI remember having that problem with Jack often, decided Linux wasn't for pro-audio.20:29
eagles0513875_rodnice: top or htop and find the process20:30
lordievaderrodnice: Or "ps aux|grep jack"20:30
rodnice<==== newbie :-(20:31
lordievaderrodnice: Open the Konsole and type the stuff between the " in the konsole and hit enter ;)20:32
rodnicelordievader: Linux not for pro audio?  But there's Ubuntu Studio... surely it has these issues hammered out20:32
lordievaderrodnice: Just a one man opinion.20:32
rodnicesensei@sensei-Inspiron-6000:~$ ps aux|grep jack20:34
rodnicesensei    4553  0.0  0.0   4684   816 pts/1    S+   16:34   0:00 grep --color=auto jack20:34
lordievaderrodnice: You can also use "ps aux|grep [j]ack" to not let the grep process show up.20:36
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rodnicelordievader: now what :-(20:40
rodnicelordievader: I'll be back... thank you for all your help!20:43
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keithzgHmm, really hoping that http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pengpod-1040-quad-core-linux-android-dual-booting-tablets gets funded; considering the (understandable, but irritating nonetheless) inability of the Vivaldi tablet to take off, seems like the best bet for a tablet that Kubuntu Active could run nicely on.22:02
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