[02:21] <friti> So i have a problem. I went to launchpad yesterday for the first time in years, thinking i'd do some translating of kubuntu-docs, just to find out that kubuntu-docs have been removed from LP. Aparrently, the official(?) documentation is now at wiki.kubuntu.org. My question is now,how do we i18n the docs?
[02:44] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[03:07] <spyke_> Hi
[03:08] <spyke_> Is anybody at home?
[03:08] <spyke_> ..
[03:34] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[04:15] <blackkde1> new light display manager user account found  in kubuntu 13.10 fresh install login screen . any help?
[04:47] <valorie> friti: that's a real problem
[04:48] <valorie> eventually we hope to have a small set of docs in docbook, which could be translated into everything
[04:48] <valorie> and which would rarely change
[04:49] <valorie> our former doc folks left or got busy with other stuff, and us newbies are doing the best we can
[04:49] <valorie> not quite good enough, so far
[06:37] <Guest3903> someone around who could help me with a ubiquity issue?
[06:37] <Guest3903> this is the issue i'm facing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1238446
[07:10] <valorie> Guest3903: have you asked in #ubuntu+1 ?
[07:10] <valorie> that chan is for all flavors of Ubuntu
[07:10] <valorie> Saucy
[07:12] <Guest3903> valorie: already tried there, yes
[07:13] <valorie> that's where the specialists are, and those who can help
[07:14] <valorie> if they aren't answering, they are probably asleep/busy with other tasks
[07:14] <valorie> did you file the bug?
[07:14] <valorie> if not, did you add your experience to it?
[07:15] <Guest3903> yes, i did file a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1238446
[07:16] <valorie> ah, I see from #kubuntu-devel that you did file it
[07:16] <valorie> please stick to the proper chan and don't cross-post
[07:17] <valorie> and the proper chan is +1
[07:19] <valorie> that said, you might add that you have tested both the beta and the daily
[07:19]  * valorie isn't in +1
[07:20] <Guest3903> valorie: i generally wouldn't cross-post, but i thought it might be an important bug, being this close to the release
[07:20] <Guest3903> so i wanted to provide all the info i could get
[07:20] <Guest3903> valorie: if nothing else, at least get all info in
[07:21] <valorie> oh, I agree
[07:21] <valorie> however, cross-posting 1. doesn't get you the info any faster and 2. sets a bad example
[07:22] <valorie> that said, thanks for caring enough to post a bug with extensive information
[07:22] <valorie> as you say, it's close to the deadline, and this needs fixing
[07:23] <Guest3903> valorie: indeed: i have a feeling i can resolve the problem by clearing out all my partitions, but i thought i'd rather file the bug so that if it's a ubiquity problem, it can be fixed
[07:24] <valorie> clearing out all your partitions sounds rather extreme
[07:25] <Guest3903> wouldn't hurt, i was planning to use that installer option anyway.
[09:47] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:57] <BluesKaj_> Hey folks
[11:50] <user_> 1
[11:50] <user_> мудашлепы!!! есть кто на русском?
[11:51] <avihay> !ru
[13:18] <Zepo> Hey Guys, I have a problem with fish ( the ssh protocoll ) I create a config file and am able to connect via ssh, but not with fish , it just say "Could not connect"
[13:42] <zhick> i need help debugging a problem. i just upgraded my 13.11 install and afterwards did an autoremove to remove old kernels n stuff. now my networkmanagement-plasmoid wont show.
[13:44] <zhick> when i try to add a new widget it also does not appear in the list
[13:45] <zhick> plasma-nm and plasma-widget-networkmanager are both installed though
[13:45] <BluesKaj> zhick. that's a bug in 13.10 , update and upgrade and the plasma-nm should reinstall , also 13.10 queries should done in #ubuintu+1
[13:47] <zhick> BluesKaj, sorry didnt know about #ubuntu+1. thanks for solving my problem :)
[13:47] <BluesKaj> zhick. np , just reinstall the NM widget , it should be there
[13:48] <BluesKaj>  type net in widget search
[13:49] <BluesKaj> zhick.^
[13:49] <zhick> problem is ive got no network on the machine due to the networkmanagement widget missing.
[13:49] <Zepo> Hey Guys, I have a problem with fish ( the ssh protocoll ) I create a config file and am able to connect via ssh, but not with fish , it just say "Could not connect"
[13:50] <BluesKaj> zhick. , not connected to the internet ?
[13:50] <zhick> but ill figure something out :)
[13:50] <BluesKaj> zhick. open a terminal and run sudo dhclient
[13:51] <zhick> BluesKaj, ive only got wireless available
[13:51] <BluesKaj> for ethernet
[13:51] <zhick> ill just download the package on this machine and transfer it via usb-stick
[14:04] <zhick> BluesKaj, it's working now. thanks :)
[14:06] <BluesKaj> zhick. good to hear :)
[14:10] <Zepo> So noone has a quick solution for me ? :(
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Zepo. try smb or samba
[14:32] <dagle> I want to do an uefi install. Do I need to do anything execpt creating an efi partion and making it bootable and choosing to install the bootloader to that partion?
[14:33] <dagle> Uefi can boot the bootloader but the bootloader drops into a shell.
[16:10] <tatie> why the Firefox doesn't offer "Open file with", but  only "save" or "cancel" when clicking on file link?
[16:17] <LinuxDad> tatie:  are you right clicking or just clicking ?
[16:19] <tatie> clicking
[16:19] <tatie> file is PDF
[16:20] <tatie> same hapens with right click & open in new tab
[17:26] <alvin> Is Kubuntu Active only 32-bit?
[17:27] <Shiva> alvin, as far as I know 32 bit is recommended , but 64 bit should work fine as well :)
[17:28] <alvin> The machine has 8 GB ram, hence the question. But where do I find the images? Or can I start with Kubuntu and then add plasma-active?
[17:30] <Shiva> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download-lts#download-block
[17:30] <alvin> That's not only 1.5 years old, it's also only 32-bit
[17:31] <keithzg> Is there any effect or program out there for using a key-combo to "ping" a mouse? My officemate often can't find his mouse, heh, and I *swear* I remember that being a thing.
[17:31]  * alvin was looking here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/current/
[17:31] <alvin> keithzg: It's in system settings -> desktop effects somewhere
[17:31] <keithzg> alvin: Yeah, I'm looking there and I don't see it...
[17:32] <keithzg> aha, I'm just blind, it's "Track Mouse"
[17:32] <alvin> Yes :-)
[17:33] <Shiva> alvin, you can get  at regular download section download  button of link i pasted
[17:33] <alvin> Shiva: I think you misunderstodd. I'm looking for a 64-bit version of Kubuntu Active
[17:33] <Shiva> also since its LTS  version you could get long term support as well
[17:33] <alvin> Not just Kubuntu
[17:34] <Shiva> I m sorry, I thought its just kubuntu
[17:34] <alvin> Well, I don't believe in Long Term Support. There are quite a lot more bug fixes in the Kubuntu PPA's within monthly KDE updates, than in an LTS. An LTS just supports your bugs longer. Not what I want.
[17:35] <alvin> The KDE version in Saucey (not Saucy itself) is far more stable than the KDE version in 12.04
[17:35] <Shiva> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/releases/13.04/release/
[17:36] <alvin> The Ubuntu layer has regressions unfortunately
[17:36] <Shiva> might be helpful, but though cant find 64 bit on quick look
[17:36] <dagle> Any body have any clue why my uefi system wont boot by default (I'm pretty sure I could fix it but it's not my computer)?
[17:36] <alvin> Yes :-( Ans as you can see, that's 64-bit only
[17:37] <alvin> dagle: Good question. I'll wait a year and then try UEFI. It's probably possible, but not easy.
[17:37] <dagle> alvin: So the installer can't do uefi by default?
[17:37] <dagle> I have used uefi for almost 2 years now on linux...
[17:38] <alvin> I didn't say that. I believe it can, but maybe not on every motherboard yet. I've used it in the past. By accident. It was hard to fix when things started to go wrong.
[17:38] <dagle> And, sure I could fix it but I don't want to maintain it on his computer and I want him to be able to reinstall if he needs to.
[17:39] <alvin> I've read somethig about setting the GPT volumes bootable, but I'm really not sure about that one.
[17:40] <dagle> I created an efi partion, set it to bootable and installed grub to that partion.
[17:40] <dagle> So far so good, grub starts but it can't find the install and I don't know why.
[17:40] <dagle> Should be pretty easy to fix with a chroot etc but it still bothers me.
[17:46] <dagle> So, what does the efi options in the kubuntu installer do? Or is it just a bug?
[17:49] <keithzg> dagle: worked fine for me when I installed on my current desktop at work, although that was 12.10 IIRC.
[17:50] <alvin> A friend of mine reently tried to install using UEFI, but he didn't succeed
[17:50] <keithzg> I've failed once, because I dumbly forgot to boot the DVD in UEFI mode. But other than that every time I've installed has been peachy keen.
[17:50] <dagle> keithzg: And did you do anything more than I did? Because grub boots just fine but drops to a shell... smells like kubuntu is doing something wrong.
[17:53] <keithzg> dagle: I certainly didn't do anything fancy; just made an EFI partition and a partition for everything else. Even used BTRFS as my root just to be cowboy ;)
[18:03] <mohidin_> tes
[18:03] <keithzg> t?
[18:04] <mohidin_> hallo
[18:04] <mohidin_> i am from indonesia
[18:04] <mohidin_> i use ubuntu 13.04
[18:08] <BluesKaj> mo olk , do you have a question ?
[18:09] <BluesKaj> mohidin_.^
[18:09] <mohidin_> yes.. i have question..
[18:10] <mohidin_> if i want application like internet download manager in ubuntu....is there any app it is same with IDM ?
[18:12] <BluesKaj> mohidin_. try kget
[18:13] <BluesKaj> !kget  | mohidin_
[18:13] <BluesKaj> !info kget
[18:13] <mohidin_> in software center ?? is there ?
[18:13] <BluesKaj> yes
[18:14] <BluesKaj>  or sudo apt-get install kget in the konsole , mohidin_
[18:14] <mohidin_> oke..i will try it...thanks.
[18:15] <BluesKaj> mohidin_. for torrents use ktorrent
[18:16] <BluesKaj> mohidin_. but kger works too
[18:16] <BluesKaj> get
[18:16] <mohidin_> oke ....i will test it as soon i download kget.
[18:18] <mohidin_> hallo
[18:18] <mohidin_> i want to ask again
[18:18] <mohidin_> if i want to connect kget with mozila ??
[18:24] <BluesKaj> mohidin_. use ktorrent with FF/mozilla
[18:24] <BluesKaj> for torrent files
[18:25] <BluesKaj> for other types of files i use wget in the terminal , youtube-dl for youtube flash files
[18:27] <mohidin_> it is kget can download from youtube ?
[18:28] <mohidin_> can you mention me ?
[18:30] <rickyrayjay> kubuntu...kinda like. i know it has the "auto detect" where it knows if its a netbook or desktop/laptop based on resolution. is there a way i can have my netbook use the desktop version?
[18:38] <BluesKaj_> FF froze my desktop , some kind of glitch and it wouldn't shutdown so I had to REISUB with alt + prtscrn ..running latest daily 13.10
[18:42] <xxx> Hello all, may I beg for help? :)
[18:43] <BluesKaj_> no need to beg , xxx , just ask
[18:43] <xxx> Thanks. :)
[18:45] <xxx> anyway, I tried installing Kubuntu on manual partitioning, I made / partition and swap as well home partition. Installation starts, I set up my options and at the end I get this message: http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=8_error.png
[18:45] <xxx> Could you help me with this? I have preinstalled Win8
[18:45] <lordievader> xxx: Is it a UEFI computer?
[18:45] <xxx> Unfortunately yes.
[18:46] <lordievader> xxx: Ugh, I have heard of many troubles with UEFI, hopefully for you this guide gets you through the maze: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[18:46] <xxx> I think it might be connected with Ubuntu being previously installed. I think I managed to clear it out of the PC, but in boot options in BIOS, I still have Ubuntu boot option.
[18:47] <xxx> Yes, I know about that tutorial, but I am a Linux beginner and find it not very understandable.
[18:48] <xxx> Problem is, as Win8 was preinstalled I have 5 partitions(C: and D: normal , but 3 hidden) and I can't make it out, if they were installed by Win or one is left from the Ubuntu installation.
[18:49] <xxx> I think that, removing the left Ubuntu partition, would solve the problem, but I can't decide if there is a Ubuntu partiotion or no.
[18:50] <lordievader> xxx: You could mount them and see what is on there.
[18:51] <xxx> Probably need to do that in Kubuntu?
[18:52] <lordievader> xxx: Yes, probably. Then you can mount them too if they are of the ext family.
[18:52] <lordievader> too if = even if
[18:53] <xxx> Will I be able to mount even the Win8 hidden partitions?
[18:53] <xxx> in Kubuntu?
[18:53] <lordievader> xxx: Yes you can mount ntfs partitions in (K)Ubuntu.
[18:54] <xxx> Ok, thanks a lot. I will try this way to find out. Cheers. :)
[18:54] <lordievader> Good luck!
[19:00] <sunny_le> isn't there ubuntu software center in kubuntu ?
[19:01] <BluesKaj_> yes it's called muon
[19:01] <BluesKaj_> and muon software center
[19:02] <BluesKaj_> sunny_le.^
[19:02] <sunny_le> BluesKaj_, yeah but the packges are not organized according to category as done in ubuntu software center
[19:02] <sunny_le> ok got it :)
[19:03] <sunny_le> it's all the same only bit different layout :)
[19:03] <BluesKaj_> sunny_le. well ,neither is desktop on kubuntu , but I'm sure you'll find the muon software center quite comprehensive if you use it for a while
[19:04] <sunny_le> BluesKaj_, yeah you are correct, i need to get bit familiar to it.
[19:05] <BluesKaj_> or you could use muon as a reference for info on packages and use the konsole to install them
[19:10] <sunny_le> BluesKaj_, ok :)
[19:14] <sunny_le> BluesKaj_, if i am installing file server, print server and other such services  on my kubuntu then the transition from 13.04 to 13.10 is smooth or there may be some issues ? because i have heard that we have to install new version every 6 months ?
[19:16] <BluesKaj_> sunny_le. you don't "have to" install a new version every 6 months , most versions are supported much longer , like the LTS versions
[19:16] <BluesKaj_> !LTS | sunny_le
[19:17] <sunny_le> BluesKaj_, this means that there is no breakages of packages on upgrading to a newer version correct ?
[19:17] <sunny_le> i have started loving Kubuntu :D :D
[19:17] <BluesKaj_> the next LTS version will be 14.04 , due to be released in April 2014
[19:19] <BluesKaj_> sunny_le. there are no guarantees , , but best practice usually means to install a new release at least one month after the official release date.
[19:20] <BluesKaj_> espcially if you are an "on the job" user...home users can be more adventurous
[19:20] <sunny_le> BluesKaj_, what you suggest if i want to create a home server ?
[19:21] <sunny_le> kubuntu 12.04 or 13.04 ?
[19:23] <BluesKaj_> depends how you want to use the server ,m are you thinking of hostiong a website or just stream media etc on a home network
[19:23] <BluesKaj_> sunny_le. ^
[19:24] <sunny_le> hosting my  website too
[19:26] <lordievader> sunny_le: For my server I use Ubuntu Server 12.04, a gui for a server is pretty pointless.
[19:27] <BluesKaj_> I was about to suggest sunny_le  ask in #ubuntu-server
[19:27] <rodnice> QUESTION: Does anyone know how I would go about fixing AUDIO?  Specifically, Studio programs (Ardour, Hydrogen) tend to hog all of the audio when they are opened and don't let go of the resource until I restart the computer.
[19:29] <lordievader> rodnice: Are they set to use ALSA directly?
[19:29] <BluesKaj_> lordievader. i don't host a website , but this pc is server for our home network , and it would pointless not to have a DE
[19:29] <rodnice> lordievader: not sure.  I had installed and uninstalled some pavuaudio stuff that was mentioned
[19:30] <BluesKaj_> what are you using ardour etc for , are you recording with jack or audacity ?
[19:30] <lordievader> BluesKaj_: To me a server is typically without a monitor. Depends on the/your definition of server I guess.
[19:31] <BluesKaj_> rodnice.^
[19:31] <BluesKaj_> yeah , my external drive could be called a server , it has no OS or DE :)
[19:32] <eagles0513875_> hey guys i just installed raring on my laptop which has a uefi bios and for some reason i dont get any login screen what so ever
[19:32] <eagles0513875_> just a black screen
[19:32] <BluesKaj_> eagles0513875_. can you get to a tty ?
[19:32] <eagles0513875_> what is the shortcut to get the grub menu? was going to go down into recovery with networking and upgrade that way
[19:32] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: no
[19:33] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: i was actually going to do a network upgrade over the network if i could get into recovery through grub which does pop up
[19:33] <eagles0513875_> its after that which doesnt
[19:33] <eagles0513875_> hold on one min
[19:33] <rodnice> BluesKaj: just a sec
[19:33] <BluesKaj_> eagles0513875_. have you tried the shift key immediately following the Bios
[19:33] <lordievader> eagles0513875_: You mean shift? Hold that and you should get the grub menu.
[19:34] <eagles0513875_> ok
[19:34] <eagles0513875_> it used to be the esc key
[19:34] <BluesKaj_> left shift preferrably
[19:35] <eagles0513875_> ok
[19:38] <rodnice> BluesKaj:  I was trying to play with Hydrogen while watching a Hydrogen tutorial at the same time.  I installed and uninstalled a Jack program. Have not installed Audacity.
[19:38] <eagles0513875_> going to upgrade to saucy BluesKaj_  and see if that helps me any
[19:38] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: lordievader  will chat with you in ubuntu +1
[19:38] <lordievader> eagles0513875_: I'm not in ubu+1.
[19:39] <eagles0513875_> ok
[19:39] <eagles0513875_> well i will chat with you then in offtopic lordievader
[19:39] <lordievader> rodnice: Jack claims your sound card, so you browser(?) can't have any sound output.
[19:56] <rodnice> lordievader: hm... I was playing video in VLC and had Hydrogen open.  A friend has a similar problem when running a video and Hydrogen.
[19:57] <rodnice> lordievader: sorry, we're both inexperienced Linux users
[19:57] <lordievader> Hydrogen probably claims the audio card through ALSA or JACK and therefore other applications cannot access it anymore.
[19:58] <lordievader> rodnice: There is no real fix for it, other than closing Hydrogen.
[20:00] <ed8744564399> hi anyone knows a good utility or smth for open vpn so that when it disconnects it would automatically reconnect or atleast block traffic while disconnected?
[20:04] <rodnice> awww
[20:04] <rodnice> :-(
[20:04] <rodnice> lordievader: is that due to system limitations or my understanding of how Linux works vs. Windows?
[20:05] <lordievader> rodnice: Hydrogen wants low latency, for browsers or media players latency isn't much of a problem.
[20:06] <rodnice> lordievader: ahhhh
[20:12] <rodnice> lordievader: how do you know all this stuff?
[20:12] <rodnice> lordievader: (thanks by the way)
[20:14] <lordievader> rodnice: Experiment, read, think, that sort of stuff ;)
[20:14] <lordievader> And no problem.
[20:15] <rodnice> lordievader: Man, latency?  I'm not sure what in my search would have triggered me to read up on that.  It's like I was looking for a Dunkin Donuts on the wrong street.
[20:16] <rodnice> lordievader: but I'll research the latency (whatever that is, lol) issue more in depth. at least I know now where to go
[20:19] <lordievader> rodnice: Latency is the time it takes from input to output. For example if you use your computer as a guitar fx-box if the latency is more than 5 ms you'll hear it the sound coming from your computer lagging behind.
[20:22] <rickyrayjay> does anyone know if i can install the lastest version on kubuntu as the desktop version on my netbook? it has the auto detection on install that defaults to netbook version based on resolution detection...
[20:24] <rodnice> lordievader: ooooooh
[20:24] <rodnice> lordievader: I'm learning and I really do appreciate it
[20:25] <rodnice> lordievader: Just thinking that my fellow newbies coming from Windows would be totally lost trying to understand that
[20:26] <rodnice> lordievader: closing Hydrogen seems to keep my audio "locked" until restart.  Do you think Ubuntu Studio would be optimized to avoid that affect?
[20:27] <eagles0513875_> rodnice: is hydrogen working with real time audio? if it is it could be that its failign to release the lock after hydrogen is closed
[20:28] <lordievader> rodnice: It exists in Windows too, it's ASIO ;)
[20:28] <rodnice> eagles0513875_: I'm not sure ift it is or how to check for that
[20:29] <lordievader> I remember having that problem with Jack often, decided Linux wasn't for pro-audio.
[20:30] <eagles0513875_> rodnice: top or htop and find the process
[20:30] <lordievader> rodnice: Or "ps aux|grep jack"
[20:31] <rodnice> <[20:32] <lordievader> rodnice: Open the Konsole and type the stuff between the " in the konsole and hit enter ;)
[20:32] <rodnice> lordievader: Linux not for pro audio?  But there's Ubuntu Studio... surely it has these issues hammered out
[20:32] <lordievader> rodnice: Just a one man opinion.
[20:34] <rodnice> sensei@sensei-Inspiron-6000:~$ ps aux|grep jack
[20:34] <rodnice> sensei    4553  0.0  0.0   4684   816 pts/1    S+   16:34   0:00 grep --color=auto jack
[20:36] <lordievader> rodnice: You can also use "ps aux|grep [j]ack" to not let the grep process show up.
[20:40] <rodnice> lordievader: now what :-(
[20:43] <rodnice> lordievader: I'll be back... thank you for all your help!
[22:02] <keithzg> Hmm, really hoping that http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pengpod-1040-quad-core-linux-android-dual-booting-tablets gets funded; considering the (understandable, but irritating nonetheless) inability of the Vivaldi tablet to take off, seems like the best bet for a tablet that Kubuntu Active could run nicely on.