[03:05] <scottb> I just did an apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade on my Saucy box, rebooted and desktop doesn't load up
[03:05] <scottb>  anyone else see that problem
[03:08] <scottb> its a bit odd, I see crashes that tell can't be reported due to obsolete packages installed -- unity, compiz packages, dbus packages etc, but apt thinks things are at the latest version
[03:08] <wilee-nilee> scottb, You install proprietary graphics per chance and get a kernel upgrade?
[03:12] <scottb> wilee-nilee, no proprietary graphics -- older Intel chipset uses i915 driver
[03:13] <scottb> wilee-nilee, kernel version is 3.11.0-12-generic
[03:14] <scottb> wilee-nilee, kernel version is 3.11.0-12-generic -- x86_64
[03:15] <wilee-nilee> scottb, You get any held packages in the apt-get commands?
[03:17] <scottb> wilee-nilee, no -- apt-get update finishes fine, apt-get upgrade reports nothing to do, no errors
[03:19] <wilee-nilee> scottb, I would try the previous kernel from grub, might be a bad kernel was it in the upgrade?
[03:47] <scottb> wilee-nilee, none of the kernels lets the desktop come up
[03:50] <scottb> wilee-nilee, the window manager isn't starting
[03:50] <scottb> wilee-nilee, ctrl+alt+t gives me a terminal with no window decorations
[03:57] <wilee-nilee> scottb, Are you getting to the desktop but are missing the panels?
[03:58] <scottb> wilee-nilee, get to the login screen, login, then the screen is blank
[03:59] <scottb> ctrl+alt+t gives me a terminal, try running unity
[03:59] <wilee-nilee> scottb, but the backdrop is there, and you can open a terminal with ctrl-alt-t?
[03:59] <scottb> unity crashes, get apport window, which eventually gives me a chrome instance
[04:00] <wilee-nilee> not sure really
[04:01] <wilee-nilee> its still in development I would just reinstall it if it were me, its not for regular use as of yet
[04:01] <scottb> wilee-nilee, no backdrop
[04:01] <scottb> wilee-nilee, yup, just wondered if anyone had seen that problem
[04:01] <wilee-nilee> You could try a daily and see if it is the same
[04:02] <scottb> I'll just reboot into my 13.04 instance, and grab the daily and reinstall
[04:02] <scottb> wilee-nilee, thanks for trying :), its midnight here, off to bed now
[04:03] <wilee-nilee> sleep well
[04:30] <dariusc93> do anyone know if saucy daily build ever changed or is it stuck at the final beta build?
[06:14] <icmpv6> hi
[06:14] <icmpv6> ubuntu 13.10 final beta, screen flashes bright on startup before desktop is shown. how do i remove that
[06:17] <NuSuey> is there no way how to get the fans be quiet - on the open source video drivers, with the hybrid video card? :o gets so loud :/
[06:18] <icmpv6> louder than the club?
[06:19] <NuSuey> what club :P
[06:32] <icmpv6> 50 cent-in da club
[06:36] <Guest3903> someone around who could help me with a ubiquity issue?
[06:37] <Guest3903> this is the issue i'm facing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1238446
[06:37] <icmpv6> nope
[07:33] <floryn90> hi everyone
[07:33] <floryn90> will be a rc release of saucy ?
[07:34] <floryn90> !roadmap
[08:09] <Ian_Corne> don't think they do RC's anymore
[08:13] <psalden> hey guys there's a .crash file in /var/crash that closely relates to a suspend/resume bug I'm experiencing; I think I accidentally clicked away the report dialog when it first came up, is there any way to bring it back or report the bug otherwise?
[08:25] <Rory> Is it safe/ready to use fglrx in Saucy yet?
[08:35] <psalden> apparently I can just apport-bug <crash>, anyway thank you
[10:57] <BluesKaj_> Hey folks
[11:08] <Rory> Hello BluesKaj_
[11:09] <BluesKaj_> hi Rory
[11:32] <Caelum> Hello, in saucy I can't seem to turn off screen locking, I disabled it in sysprefs and in gconf-editor, but it still locks on screen sleep
[11:35] <Caelum> I am using cinnamon btw
[11:53] <icmpv6> install caffeine
[12:00] <bazhang> !behelpful | icmpv6
[12:01] <icmpv6> do you know what caffeine is?
[12:03] <icmpv6> with your tiny brain, i dont think so
[12:05] <Caelum> caffeine looks great for something like an htpc
[12:06] <Caelum> in my case, this worked: gsettings set org.cinnamon.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false
[12:06] <Caelum> now, I just need to figure out why unattended-upgrade chokes
[12:07] <Caelum> worked fine before I dist-upgraded to saucy
[12:14] <Caelum> anyone have unattended upgrades working in saucy?
[13:56] <TOM_otakux> HI, a question about plasma-nm
[13:57] <Rory> where?
[13:57] <TOM_otakux> when i using the ubuntu 13.10 and update hte neworkmanagement to the plasma-nm
[13:57] <TOM_otakux> the widget is gone, so does the whole settings
[13:58] <TOM_otakux> *the
[13:59] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux.  that's a bug in 13.10 , update and upgrade and the plasma-nm should reinstall
[13:59] <TOM_otakux> so is that fixed ?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. then you can find it by typing net in the panel widget search
[14:00] <BluesKaj> yeah > I just fixed mine
[14:00] <TOM_otakux> because i have tried just about 30 minutes before
[14:01] <BluesKaj> you were about 5mins too early ,before it was uploaded
[14:01] <TOM_otakux> thanks, i will trylater. by the way, i am chinese user :)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. using a vpn ?
[14:02] <TOM_otakux> no, ADSL
[14:02] <TOM_otakux> so the change version is in plasma-nm or ?
[14:03] <Rory> I have seen other pepople have this issue with KDE in Saucy recently
[14:03] <BluesKaj> vpn is remote server some chinese use to get around the gov't bolcked websites and services available in china
[14:03] <TOM_otakux> yeah, using the dist-upgrade will update the networkmanagement and will cause this problem
[14:04] <TOM_otakux> no, i am not china, i live in taiwan :)
[14:04] <TOM_otakux> i am taiwanese
[14:05] <TOM_otakux> and there also a little weird about system settings
[14:05] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. cool ,my son and my daughter both taught english in Taipei a few yrs back ,and my son's wide is from there
[14:05] <TOM_otakux> in my notebook, the system settings became very narrow
[14:05] <BluesKaj> err wife :)
[14:06] <TOM_otakux> WOOO
[14:06] <TOM_otakux> the item of systemsetting is very narrow like the kde 4.8or 4.7
[14:07] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. narrow , do you mean the screen or the window ?
[14:08] <TOM_otakux> maybe i could post a picture for you :)
[14:09] <anon> hello
[14:09] <Rory> Hello anon
[14:09] <anon> I installed ubuntu 13.10 dual booting with windows 8 on UEFI. After the installation windows 8 works but ubuntu complains that the file /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi is missing or corrupt. Sure enough, all I have in /boot is the standard old grub files and nothing `*efi*`. How can I solve this? boot-repair doesn't help.
[14:09] <thiebaude> hey anon
[14:10] <Rory> !efi | anon have you read this info?
[14:10] <anon> BTW I first installed everything in `/` then I reinstalled and created an EFI boot partition and `/`. Still the same, does not work.
[14:10] <thiebaude> anon, probably have to disable secure boot, and I dont know how to do that
[14:10] <TOM_otakux> i know the efi about grub install is not easy :)
[14:10] <anon> thiebaude, I already tried disabling secure boot, it still does not work.
[14:11] <thiebaude> ahh ok
[14:11] <anon> Rory, Of course I did
[14:11] <anon> Hm
[14:12] <anon> I might have missed something
[14:13] <TOM_otakux> this is the image that the weird systemsettings
[14:13] <TOM_otakux> http://i.imgur.com/lQSqd5w.png
[14:13] <TOM_otakux> in 13.04, it normal.
[14:13] <anon> It is strongly recommended to have only 1 EFI partition per disk.
[14:14] <anon> My notebook came with two.
[14:14] <TOM_otakux> although that will not cause any feature weird, but it ugly :)
[14:20] <TOM_otakux> thanks for helping me about that problem!!!
[14:21] <TOM_otakux> the widget of network is complete different WOOO
[14:21] <TOM_otakux> and i found the ubuntu update server in tw still not update :)
[14:22] <BluesKaj> u, topgrade
[14:23] <BluesKaj> err upgrade
[14:23] <TOM_otakux> WOO, i saw infiniteband
[14:24] <TOM_otakux> there are a little problem, the setting of the screen did not has icon
[14:25] <anon> If I already created an EFI partition when I installed ubuntu, should I delete it and reinstall?
[14:25] <anon> EFI boot partition
[14:27] <TOM_otakux> is the narrow systemsettings is a bug or just the screen resolution is not enough?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. probly the screen resolution , but I haven't seen that before ...are you on a netbook ?
[14:29] <TOM_otakux> a normal notebook XD not screen resulation is 1366x768
[14:30] <TOM_otakux> a normal notebook XD. screen resulation is 1366x768
[14:42] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux.tom it could be the system settings/compiz if you're on unity , dunno for sure I'm a KDE user
[14:43] <TOM_otakux> yeah, my kde is install by kubuntu, none unity install before
[14:44] <TOM_otakux> and i am upgrade by 13.04 by using the do-release-upgrade
[14:45] <TOM_otakux> *from 13.04
[14:45] <BluesKaj> I have to reboot ...brb
[14:50] <TOM_otakux> but that is weird, in 13.04 the systemsettings is normal. only happened when in 13.10
[14:52] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. check your graphics driver
[14:52] <TOM_otakux> nvidia 331.13  :)
[14:52] <TOM_otakux> the newest driver in nvidia XD
[14:53] <BluesKaj> so you have the xedgers ppa , it';s experimental , perhaps not suited to your notebook graphics
[14:54] <BluesKaj> you might be better off with the 325 or the 319
[14:54] <TOM_otakux> before i upgrade to 331, i am using the 319.60
[14:55] <TOM_otakux> and i remember still happened that problem. by the way, i prefer using the nvidia installer.
[14:55] <BluesKaj> what about browsing etc , do you have full scrn ?
[14:56] <TOM_otakux> the xedgers ppa is when the nvidia installer not working, otherwise, is will be disabled.
[14:56] <TOM_otakux> full screen?
[14:56] <TOM_otakux> systemsettings?
[14:56] <BluesKaj> the nvidia installer doesn't show the 331 driver
[14:57] <TOM_otakux> that is beta driver,
[14:57] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. try your broswer full screen
[14:58] <TOM_otakux> could i use chrome to try ?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> anything
[15:00] <TOM_otakux> i think is normal
[15:00] <sandman> how do I stop x server for 13.10? sudo kill -9 pid from terminal just restarts x
[15:00] <TOM_otakux> i am using the kdm :)
[15:01] <TOM_otakux> and i found the kdm package did not create the link in /etc/init.d
[15:01] <TOM_otakux> using firefox or chrome is seems nothing change
[15:02] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. lightdm for the login, but kwin runs the desktop
[15:03] <TOM_otakux> i am still using the kdm :))
[15:03] <BluesKaj> i think it's the nvidia driver , not working correctly
[15:04] <BluesKaj> newest is best , especially experimental like 331
[15:04] <BluesKaj> not best !
[15:05] <TOM_otakux> OK, i think i downgrade to 319.60 :)
[15:09] <TOM_otakux> rebooting...
[15:11] <TOM_otakux> with nvidia 319.60, still is narrow
[15:20] <sandman> can anybody please tell me how I can stop x server? or is that not possible?
[15:21] <TOM_otakux> sudo service lightdm stop
[15:23] <sandman> TOM_otakux, that will not stop x server. Because if run sudo X -verbose 6 > ~/xlog.txt 2>&1 from console I get the message that x is still running
[15:25] <sandman> I  need to figure out what kind of HorizSync/VertRefresh and resolution for my TV
[15:26] <sandman> I'm hoping that this command will produce that: sudo X -verbose 6 > ~/xlog.txt 2>&1
[15:27] <sandman> but all x related must stop running first
[15:31] <anon> It still doesn't work. It complains about grubx64.efi not existing or being corrupt.
[15:32] <anon> Does anyone have any ideas?
[15:37] <anon> Here is my bootinfo http://paste.ubuntu.com/6222906/
[18:01] <Rallias> How do I make it so reboot is not an alias for shutdown -h now?
[18:02] <Rallias> (effectively)
[18:05] <trism> Rallias: reboot -f
[18:06] <Rallias> trism, Still turns into shutdown -h
[18:09] <BluesKaj> Rallias. just use reboot
[18:10] <Rallias> BluesKaj, That's the problem...
[18:10] <TJ-> Rallias: Is this on a full desktop install, a server, something else?
[18:10] <Rallias> Whenever I use the reboot command or shutdown -r now it always powers off...
[18:10] <Rallias> TJ-, Server.
[18:10] <TJ-> Rallias: That sounds like an ACPI issue
[18:13] <Rallias> *sigh* This is what I get for using bleeding edge hardware with new software :(
[18:13] <TJ-> Rallias: Check /var/log/dmesg for indications of issues with ACPI functions
[18:33] <eagles0513875_> hey guys does saucy work with hardware which has a uefi bios?
[18:33] <TJ-> eagles0513875: Yes, as long as any Secure boot is turned off. Last I heard we're still waiting for Microsoft to sign the latest boot loader shim
[18:34] <ikonia> stap in for a LONG wait
[18:34] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: what do you mean
[18:35] <eagles0513875_> ahh i think i figured it out :)
[18:35] <ikonia> I wouldn't expect that to happen any time in the short/medium term
[18:35] <TJ-> It's expected any day.. certainly prior to release
[18:35] <eagles0513875_> TJ-:  the odd thing with 13.04 even if i switch to tompatible mode and switch to an option which is supposed to provide compatibility for os's that dont support uefi i cant install raring or im having tons of issues wiht booting it so im going to try the saucy daily :)
[18:36] <TJ-> eagles0513875: There are a lot of very buggy UEFIs out there, you may be victim to one
[18:36] <ikonia> TJ-: lets see.......
[18:37] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: is it in legacy bios mode or uefi mode
[18:37] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: you'll need to clarify that
[18:37] <eagles0513875_> legacy bios mode
[18:37] <eagles0513875_> its a bit off topic for this channel though
[18:37] <eagles0513875_> would be better for kubuntu as its raring not saucy
[18:37] <eagles0513875_> and there is that very annoying issue with ubiquity or what ever the installer is that i think will never be fixed
[18:38] <eagles0513875_> when installing off a usb drive grub installs to the MBR of the pen drive by default instead of that of the hard disk
[18:38] <ikonia> ah, you're referencing rarey, sorry
[18:38] <eagles0513875_> the work around for that seems to be to take out the pen drive before installign grub
[18:38] <eagles0513875_> yep i think my hardware is just too new for raring i could be wrong though
[18:39] <ikonia> not really
[18:39] <ikonia> just set your grub map file
[18:39] <ikonia> it will only install to the pendrive if a.) your pendrive defaults to /dev/sda b.) AND you select the default location
[18:39] <ikonia> I doubt very much the hardware is too "new"
[18:40] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: isnt that a bug though isnt there some sort of check that can be added to where it checks the sda to see if its a usb device?
[18:40] <ikonia> not really,
[18:40] <ikonia> it relies on you checking your config
[18:40] <eagles0513875_> TJ-: first time trying out linux on this laptop so i dunno if i am a victim or not
[18:40] <ikonia> if you know your usb stick defaults in the bios to /dev/sda - then it's up to you not to accept the default
[18:43] <bjsnider> eagles0513875_, i don't have any issues booting raring on efi
[18:43] <bjsnider> i created a gpt partition and did things by the book and whatnot
[18:44] <eagles0513875_> bjsnider: odd
[18:45] <eagles0513875_> all i get during boot is the splash screen of toshiba and then black screen and nothign else
[18:45] <bjsnider> i'm not dual-booting or anything though
[18:45] <eagles0513875_> im not either
[18:46] <eagles0513875_> bjsnider: did you change any settings in the bios
[18:46] <bjsnider> in my setup i can actually see the ubuntu partition which is actually called ubuntu in the efi bios
[18:46] <ikonia> I wouldn't worry about other peoples settings
[18:46] <eagles0513875_> ill let you guys know how i fair with saucy
[18:46] <eagles0513875_> bbl
[19:24] <vixxo> hi guys, is It true that starting from 13.10 Amazon search can't be removed ?
[19:26] <IdleOne> where did you hear that?
[19:28] <TJ-> Well, unity-lens-shopping has become a virtual package with its functionality absorbed into unity-scope-home,  which depends on unity-scopes-master-default which contains several scopes but non obviously shopping.
[19:28] <vixxo> read that from multiple blogs: unity-lens-shopping is not removable anymore the package does not exist, disabling scopes disable even google, google drive and all the other one
[19:32] <vixxo> TJ-, sounds weird anyway....
[19:33] <TJ-> vixxo: I'm trying to make sense of the source-code but it isn't straightforward
[19:34] <vixxo> TJ-, the sense is quite clear and It's a really limitating choice Canonical this time has gone bad
[19:36] <BluesKaj_> limitating...another new word in the digital world :)
[19:38] <vixxo> BluesKaj_, ... some sarcasm ?
[19:39] <TJ-> Here it is. There's a set of scopes called more_suggestions-*.scope and its in these as "/usr/share/unity/scopes/more_suggestions.scope" so far as I can tell
[19:40] <eagles0513875_> hey BluesKaj_
[19:40] <BluesKaj_> vixxo. you'll have to forgive me , but I can't help myself ...the english language is being corrupted all around me and it bothers me no end.
[19:40] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: woudl be great to get this laptop running kubuntu and virtualize windows
[19:40] <TJ-> I don't like it, the way it has been made as difficult as can be to remove it... probably a direct reaction to people removing the package in Raring
[19:40] <eagles0513875_> TJ-: doign a network upgrade to saucy
[19:41] <TJ-> I've only used Saucy for servers... rolls over to the kvm to check the lens source
[19:42] <BluesKaj_> eagles0513875_. would it be easier to just wipe the drive clean, then start anew?
[19:42] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: not reallly as this is a brand new install
[19:42] <eagles0513875_> reformatted and everything with raring installed
[19:42] <eagles0513875_> all i did was a base ubuntu install
[19:42] <BluesKaj_> still have w8 on it ?
[19:42] <eagles0513875_> then installed kubuntu-desktop
[19:42] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: no
[19:42] <BluesKaj_> ok
[19:42] <eagles0513875_> i burned the recovery partition to dvd yesterday
[19:43] <vixxo> BluesKaj_, limiting you are right, haven't seen the error. I Hope you can survive to this
[19:43] <eagles0513875_> i am wondering though if the hardware is a bit way to new for it
[19:43] <eagles0513875_> TJ-: i stick with LTS for servers and all my vps's are on 12.04
[19:43] <BluesKaj_> vixxo. not to worry , I'm just an old grump
[19:43] <BluesKaj_> eagles0513875_. can attest to that :)
[19:43] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: how so
[19:44] <eagles0513875_> this laptop has a 4th gen haswell i in it which is fairly recent
[19:44] <eagles0513875_> ill know in about 11 min if saucy will work otherwise i will need to go back to windows but at least win 7
[19:44] <BluesKaj_> could be HW , but unlikely , eagles0513875_
[19:44] <trism> vixxo: you can disable them it seems: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Lenses disabled-scopes ['more_suggestions-amazon.scope', 'more_suggestions-skimlinks.scope', 'more_suggestions-u1ms.scope'];
[19:45] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: the scree at one point after it gets past grub will flash then go black
[19:45] <trism> vixxo: that seems to get rid of the More Suggestions stuff, you can add any other scopes there you don't want to use
[19:45] <BluesKaj_> do youse a logo of any kind ?
[19:45] <BluesKaj_> you see
[19:45] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_:  i wonder if its could be potentially a graphics driver issue or something with the intel chipset i have
[19:45] <vixxo> thanks trism
[19:45] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: you mean login or kubuntu logo
[19:45] <BluesKaj_> no like nvidia or ...
[19:46] <TJ-> eagles0513875: I use 13.10 for apache 2.4 and forward-secrecy
[19:46] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: no its an intel chipset and video
[19:46] <eagles0513875_> TJ-: ahh nice :)
[19:47] <BluesKaj_> ouch , intel graphics
[19:47] <eagles0513875_> im using mpm-event on 2.2 on 12.04
[19:47] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: could that be the cause right there?
[19:47] <TJ-> eagles0513875: Has it got openssh-server installed? can you remote into it? watch the logs 'live' with "tail -f" maybe
[19:47] <eagles0513875_> TJ-: ? what do you mean the laptop
[19:47] <TJ-> Whatever has the problem
[19:47] <eagles0513875_> i have it with me right next to me but its doign a network upgrade to saucy atm
[19:47] <eagles0513875_> yes i have it right next to me
[19:47] <BluesKaj_> it's possible eagles0513875_ , can't be certain
[19:47] <eagles0513875_> i got into recovery via grub and got it to mount thefile system and network
[19:48] <eagles0513875_> and now doing an upgrade to saucy
[19:48] <TJ-> I've moved away from using the installers now, I've found much more control using debootstrap, starting with the ubuntu-minimal task, and the building up
[19:48] <BluesKaj_> ok , good eagles0513875_ that mean you may have fix come down , unless you used a daily
[19:48] <eagles0513875_> TJ-: how does one work with debootstrap?
[19:49] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: which i did :(
[19:49] <eagles0513875_> no no
[19:49] <eagles0513875_> wait i didnt i put a dialy on my pen drive but it was corrupted somehow
[19:49] <BluesKaj_> well , update /upgrade anyway
[19:51] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: im getting anxious now lol
[19:51] <BluesKaj_> don't , is there some kind of dealine , again ?
[19:51] <BluesKaj_> deadline ratrher
[19:51] <eagles0513875_> no i just want a working system again lol
[19:52] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: this is the cpu in it http://ark.intel.com/products/75117 which was only released 2nd quarter of this year
[19:52] <TJ-> eagles0513875: I start off with "sudo -i" then "mkdir /target; lvcreate -L 6G -n rootfs $VG"; lvcreate -L 512M -n boot $VG; lvcreate -L 6G -n var $VG; lvcreate -L 10G -n home $VG; mkfs.ext4 -L boot /dev/$VG/boot; mkfs.ext4 -L var /dev/$VG/var; mkfs.ext4 -L home /dev/$VG/home; mkfs.ext4 -L rootfs /dev/$VG/rootfs; mount /dev/$VG/rootfs /target; mkdir /target/{boot,var,home}; mount /dev/$VG/var /target/var".... etc.
[19:53] <eagles0513875_> ahh that is interesting :)
[19:53] <eagles0513875_> so basically you setup one os which has partitions which can grow in otherwords
[19:54] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: do you know if i installed kubuntu-full meta package if i will be able to uninstall programs which i wont use etc?
[19:54] <TJ-> eagles0513875: Then when all the volumes are mounted to /target I do "debootstrap --arch $ARCH --foreign --variant minbase saucy /target http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu" and then switch into /target/ with chroot, configure network and other bits, then "/debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage"
[19:55] <TJ-> eagles0513875: Yes, all my installations use LVM that way, gives maximum flexibility to mirror, expand, move, snapshot, etc
[19:55] <eagles0513875_> :)
[19:55] <BluesKaj_> eagles0513875_. yes , but it's a pita , better to install the default packages then add if you need any
[19:56] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: bah ok :(
[19:57] <eagles0513875_>  wish it coudl work both ways
[19:57] <eagles0513875_> abou t3/4's of the default apps are taking up space for nothing
[19:57] <BluesKaj_> why not try the the miniremix
[19:58] <BluesKaj_> dunno if it's availabele yet
[19:58] <eagles0513875_> remix?
[19:58] <BluesKaj_> for 13.10 that is'
[19:58] <eagles0513875_> what exactly is in said remix though
[19:58] <TJ-> minimal install, based on "ubuntu-minimal" task
[19:58] <eagles0513875_> in a way that is what i did
[19:59] <eagles0513875_> a minimal base install then via grub and command line installed the kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-full forgot which one
[20:02] <BluesKaj_> http://www.ubuntu-mini-remix.org/
[20:14] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: TJ-  :D packages are installing for saucy
[20:15] <BluesKaj_> then once installed , do sudo release-upgrade -d
[20:15] <BluesKaj_> gotta go
[20:15] <eagles0513875_> lol BluesKaj_ im already running do-release-upgrade
[20:16] <eagles0513875_> do-release-upgrade -d
[20:16] <BluesKaj_> later
[20:16] <eagles0513875_> later BluesKaj_  :)
[20:25] <eagles0513875_> hey genii  :)
[20:25]  * genii sips and waves
[20:27] <eagles0513875_> hows it going genii
[20:33] <genii> Well, it's Friday and Monday is a holiday here so pretty good :)
[20:34] <eagles0513875_> bah still no luck here tj genii :(
[20:34] <eagles0513875_> after upgrading to saucy
[20:34] <eagles0513875_> still a black screen of nothign ness
[20:35] <genii> eagles0513875_: Tried the nomodeset and so on?
[20:36] <eagles0513875_> genii: how do i set those in grub?
[20:37] <genii> !nomodeset
[20:38] <eagles0513875_> that coudl be just what i need
[20:40]  * eagles0513875_ gives genii  a bear hug
[20:40] <eagles0513875_> genii: that did the trick
[20:40] <genii> Cool.
[20:40] <eagles0513875_> is there a way i can st that permenently in grub
[20:43] <eagles0513875_> genii:  have another issue
[20:43] <eagles0513875_> traackpad isnt working
[20:45] <genii> eagles0513875_: For permanent, add into /etc/default/grub   the line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset"    ...and then do: sudo update-grub
[20:45] <genii> Trackpad you'll need to find someone else to assist with it ...
[20:46] <eagles0513875_> no problem genii
[21:19] <febLey> Any reason why the RC isn't out yet?
[21:28] <IdleOne> it isn't ready
[21:36] <bekks> febLey: Its not published yes.
[21:36] <bekks> *yet