=== jrib is now known as Guest10239 [03:05] I just did an apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade on my Saucy box, rebooted and desktop doesn't load up [03:05] anyone else see that problem [03:08] its a bit odd, I see crashes that tell can't be reported due to obsolete packages installed -- unity, compiz packages, dbus packages etc, but apt thinks things are at the latest version [03:08] scottb, You install proprietary graphics per chance and get a kernel upgrade? [03:12] wilee-nilee, no proprietary graphics -- older Intel chipset uses i915 driver [03:13] wilee-nilee, kernel version is 3.11.0-12-generic [03:14] wilee-nilee, kernel version is 3.11.0-12-generic -- x86_64 [03:15] scottb, You get any held packages in the apt-get commands? [03:17] wilee-nilee, no -- apt-get update finishes fine, apt-get upgrade reports nothing to do, no errors [03:19] scottb, I would try the previous kernel from grub, might be a bad kernel was it in the upgrade? [03:47] wilee-nilee, none of the kernels lets the desktop come up [03:50] wilee-nilee, the window manager isn't starting [03:50] wilee-nilee, ctrl+alt+t gives me a terminal with no window decorations [03:57] scottb, Are you getting to the desktop but are missing the panels? [03:58] wilee-nilee, get to the login screen, login, then the screen is blank [03:59] ctrl+alt+t gives me a terminal, try running unity [03:59] scottb, but the backdrop is there, and you can open a terminal with ctrl-alt-t? [03:59] unity crashes, get apport window, which eventually gives me a chrome instance [04:00] not sure really [04:01] its still in development I would just reinstall it if it were me, its not for regular use as of yet [04:01] wilee-nilee, no backdrop [04:01] wilee-nilee, yup, just wondered if anyone had seen that problem [04:01] You could try a daily and see if it is the same [04:02] I'll just reboot into my 13.04 instance, and grab the daily and reinstall [04:02] wilee-nilee, thanks for trying :), its midnight here, off to bed now [04:03] sleep well [04:30] do anyone know if saucy daily build ever changed or is it stuck at the final beta build? === kubuntu is now known as Guest3903 [06:14] hi [06:14] ubuntu 13.10 final beta, screen flashes bright on startup before desktop is shown. how do i remove that [06:17] is there no way how to get the fans be quiet - on the open source video drivers, with the hybrid video card? :o gets so loud :/ [06:18] louder than the club? [06:19] what club :P [06:32] 50 cent-in da club [06:36] someone around who could help me with a ubiquity issue? [06:37] this is the issue i'm facing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1238446 [06:37] Ubuntu bug 1238446 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity is stuck after "Prepare" step" [Undecided,New] [06:37] nope [07:33] hi everyone [07:33] will be a rc release of saucy ? [07:34] !roadmap [08:09] don't think they do RC's anymore [08:13] hey guys there's a .crash file in /var/crash that closely relates to a suspend/resume bug I'm experiencing; I think I accidentally clicked away the report dialog when it first came up, is there any way to bring it back or report the bug otherwise? [08:25] Is it safe/ready to use fglrx in Saucy yet? [08:35] apparently I can just apport-bug , anyway thank you [10:57] Hey folks [11:08] Hello BluesKaj_ [11:09] hi Rory === Guest10239 is now known as jrib [11:32] Hello, in saucy I can't seem to turn off screen locking, I disabled it in sysprefs and in gconf-editor, but it still locks on screen sleep [11:35] I am using cinnamon btw [11:53] install caffeine [12:00] !behelpful | icmpv6 [12:00] icmpv6: As our !guidelines say, "When helping, be helpful". If you're not familiar with the issue at hand, let someone else handle it instead of making !offtopic comments or jokes. [12:01] do you know what caffeine is? [12:03] with your tiny brain, i dont think so [12:05] caffeine looks great for something like an htpc [12:06] in my case, this worked: gsettings set org.cinnamon.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false [12:06] now, I just need to figure out why unattended-upgrade chokes [12:07] worked fine before I dist-upgraded to saucy [12:14] anyone have unattended upgrades working in saucy? === ghostcube is now known as Guest46159 [13:56] HI, a question about plasma-nm [13:57] where? [13:57] when i using the ubuntu 13.10 and update hte neworkmanagement to the plasma-nm [13:57] the widget is gone, so does the whole settings [13:58] *the [13:59] TOM_otakux. that's a bug in 13.10 , update and upgrade and the plasma-nm should reinstall [13:59] so is that fixed ? [14:00] TOM_otakux. then you can find it by typing net in the panel widget search [14:00] yeah > I just fixed mine [14:00] because i have tried just about 30 minutes before [14:01] you were about 5mins too early ,before it was uploaded [14:01] thanks, i will trylater. by the way, i am chinese user :) [14:02] TOM_otakux. using a vpn ? [14:02] no, ADSL [14:02] so the change version is in plasma-nm or ? [14:03] I have seen other pepople have this issue with KDE in Saucy recently [14:03] vpn is remote server some chinese use to get around the gov't bolcked websites and services available in china [14:03] yeah, using the dist-upgrade will update the networkmanagement and will cause this problem [14:04] no, i am not china, i live in taiwan :) [14:04] i am taiwanese [14:05] and there also a little weird about system settings [14:05] TOM_otakux. cool ,my son and my daughter both taught english in Taipei a few yrs back ,and my son's wide is from there [14:05] in my notebook, the system settings became very narrow [14:05] err wife :) [14:06] WOOO [14:06] the item of systemsetting is very narrow like the kde 4.8or 4.7 [14:07] TOM_otakux. narrow , do you mean the screen or the window ? [14:08] maybe i could post a picture for you :) [14:09] hello [14:09] Hello anon [14:09] I installed ubuntu 13.10 dual booting with windows 8 on UEFI. After the installation windows 8 works but ubuntu complains that the file /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi is missing or corrupt. Sure enough, all I have in /boot is the standard old grub files and nothing `*efi*`. How can I solve this? boot-repair doesn't help. [14:09] hey anon [14:10] !efi | anon have you read this info? [14:10] anon have you read this info?: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [14:10] BTW I first installed everything in `/` then I reinstalled and created an EFI boot partition and `/`. Still the same, does not work. [14:10] anon, probably have to disable secure boot, and I dont know how to do that [14:10] i know the efi about grub install is not easy :) [14:10] thiebaude, I already tried disabling secure boot, it still does not work. [14:11] ahh ok [14:11] Rory, Of course I did [14:11] Hm [14:12] I might have missed something [14:13] this is the image that the weird systemsettings [14:13] http://i.imgur.com/lQSqd5w.png === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [14:13] in 13.04, it normal. [14:13] It is strongly recommended to have only 1 EFI partition per disk. [14:14] My notebook came with two. [14:14] although that will not cause any feature weird, but it ugly :) [14:20] thanks for helping me about that problem!!! [14:21] the widget of network is complete different WOOO [14:21] and i found the ubuntu update server in tw still not update :) [14:22] u, topgrade [14:23] err upgrade [14:23] WOO, i saw infiniteband [14:24] there are a little problem, the setting of the screen did not has icon [14:25] If I already created an EFI partition when I installed ubuntu, should I delete it and reinstall? [14:25] EFI boot partition [14:27] is the narrow systemsettings is a bug or just the screen resolution is not enough? [14:29] TOM_otakux. probly the screen resolution , but I haven't seen that before ...are you on a netbook ? [14:29] a normal notebook XD not screen resulation is 1366x768 [14:30] a normal notebook XD. screen resulation is 1366x768 [14:42] TOM_otakux.tom it could be the system settings/compiz if you're on unity , dunno for sure I'm a KDE user [14:43] yeah, my kde is install by kubuntu, none unity install before [14:44] and i am upgrade by 13.04 by using the do-release-upgrade [14:45] *from 13.04 [14:45] I have to reboot ...brb [14:50] but that is weird, in 13.04 the systemsettings is normal. only happened when in 13.10 [14:52] TOM_otakux. check your graphics driver [14:52] nvidia 331.13 :) [14:52] the newest driver in nvidia XD [14:53] so you have the xedgers ppa , it';s experimental , perhaps not suited to your notebook graphics [14:54] you might be better off with the 325 or the 319 [14:54] before i upgrade to 331, i am using the 319.60 [14:55] and i remember still happened that problem. by the way, i prefer using the nvidia installer. [14:55] what about browsing etc , do you have full scrn ? [14:56] the xedgers ppa is when the nvidia installer not working, otherwise, is will be disabled. [14:56] full screen? [14:56] systemsettings? [14:56] the nvidia installer doesn't show the 331 driver [14:57] that is beta driver, [14:57] TOM_otakux. try your broswer full screen [14:58] could i use chrome to try ? [14:58] anything [15:00] i think is normal [15:00] how do I stop x server for 13.10? sudo kill -9 pid from terminal just restarts x [15:00] i am using the kdm :) [15:01] and i found the kdm package did not create the link in /etc/init.d [15:01] using firefox or chrome is seems nothing change [15:02] TOM_otakux. lightdm for the login, but kwin runs the desktop [15:03] i am still using the kdm :)) [15:03] i think it's the nvidia driver , not working correctly [15:04] newest is best , especially experimental like 331 [15:04] not best ! [15:05] OK, i think i downgrade to 319.60 :) [15:09] rebooting... [15:11] with nvidia 319.60, still is narrow [15:20] can anybody please tell me how I can stop x server? or is that not possible? [15:21] sudo service lightdm stop [15:23] TOM_otakux, that will not stop x server. Because if run sudo X -verbose 6 > ~/xlog.txt 2>&1 from console I get the message that x is still running [15:25] I need to figure out what kind of HorizSync/VertRefresh and resolution for my TV [15:26] I'm hoping that this command will produce that: sudo X -verbose 6 > ~/xlog.txt 2>&1 [15:27] but all x related must stop running first [15:31] It still doesn't work. It complains about grubx64.efi not existing or being corrupt. [15:32] Does anyone have any ideas? [15:37] Here is my bootinfo http://paste.ubuntu.com/6222906/ === BluesKaj_ is now known as BluesKaj === om26er is now known as om26er|food === om26er|food is now known as om27er === om27er is now known as om26er === BluesKaj_ is now known as BluesKaj === BluesKaj_ is now known as BluesKaj [18:01] How do I make it so reboot is not an alias for shutdown -h now? [18:02] (effectively) [18:05] Rallias: reboot -f [18:06] trism, Still turns into shutdown -h [18:09] Rallias. just use reboot [18:10] BluesKaj, That's the problem... [18:10] Rallias: Is this on a full desktop install, a server, something else? [18:10] Whenever I use the reboot command or shutdown -r now it always powers off... [18:10] TJ-, Server. [18:10] Rallias: That sounds like an ACPI issue [18:13] *sigh* This is what I get for using bleeding edge hardware with new software :( [18:13] Rallias: Check /var/log/dmesg for indications of issues with ACPI functions [18:33] hey guys does saucy work with hardware which has a uefi bios? [18:33] eagles0513875: Yes, as long as any Secure boot is turned off. Last I heard we're still waiting for Microsoft to sign the latest boot loader shim [18:34] stap in for a LONG wait [18:34] ikonia: what do you mean [18:35] ahh i think i figured it out :) [18:35] I wouldn't expect that to happen any time in the short/medium term [18:35] It's expected any day.. certainly prior to release [18:35] TJ-: the odd thing with 13.04 even if i switch to tompatible mode and switch to an option which is supposed to provide compatibility for os's that dont support uefi i cant install raring or im having tons of issues wiht booting it so im going to try the saucy daily :) [18:36] eagles0513875: There are a lot of very buggy UEFIs out there, you may be victim to one [18:36] TJ-: lets see....... [18:37] eagles0513875_: is it in legacy bios mode or uefi mode [18:37] eagles0513875_: you'll need to clarify that [18:37] legacy bios mode [18:37] its a bit off topic for this channel though [18:37] would be better for kubuntu as its raring not saucy [18:37] and there is that very annoying issue with ubiquity or what ever the installer is that i think will never be fixed [18:38] when installing off a usb drive grub installs to the MBR of the pen drive by default instead of that of the hard disk [18:38] ah, you're referencing rarey, sorry [18:38] the work around for that seems to be to take out the pen drive before installign grub [18:38] yep i think my hardware is just too new for raring i could be wrong though [18:39] not really [18:39] just set your grub map file [18:39] it will only install to the pendrive if a.) your pendrive defaults to /dev/sda b.) AND you select the default location [18:39] I doubt very much the hardware is too "new" [18:40] ikonia: isnt that a bug though isnt there some sort of check that can be added to where it checks the sda to see if its a usb device? [18:40] not really, [18:40] it relies on you checking your config [18:40] TJ-: first time trying out linux on this laptop so i dunno if i am a victim or not [18:40] if you know your usb stick defaults in the bios to /dev/sda - then it's up to you not to accept the default [18:43] eagles0513875_, i don't have any issues booting raring on efi [18:43] i created a gpt partition and did things by the book and whatnot [18:44] bjsnider: odd [18:45] all i get during boot is the splash screen of toshiba and then black screen and nothign else [18:45] i'm not dual-booting or anything though [18:45] im not either [18:46] bjsnider: did you change any settings in the bios [18:46] in my setup i can actually see the ubuntu partition which is actually called ubuntu in the efi bios [18:46] I wouldn't worry about other peoples settings [18:46] ill let you guys know how i fair with saucy [18:46] bbl [19:24] hi guys, is It true that starting from 13.10 Amazon search can't be removed ? [19:26] where did you hear that? [19:28] Well, unity-lens-shopping has become a virtual package with its functionality absorbed into unity-scope-home, which depends on unity-scopes-master-default which contains several scopes but non obviously shopping. [19:28] read that from multiple blogs: unity-lens-shopping is not removable anymore the package does not exist, disabling scopes disable even google, google drive and all the other one [19:32] TJ-, sounds weird anyway.... [19:33] vixxo: I'm trying to make sense of the source-code but it isn't straightforward [19:34] TJ-, the sense is quite clear and It's a really limitating choice Canonical this time has gone bad [19:36] limitating...another new word in the digital world :) [19:38] BluesKaj_, ... some sarcasm ? [19:39] Here it is. There's a set of scopes called more_suggestions-*.scope and its in these as "/usr/share/unity/scopes/more_suggestions.scope" so far as I can tell [19:40] hey BluesKaj_ [19:40] vixxo. you'll have to forgive me , but I can't help myself ...the english language is being corrupted all around me and it bothers me no end. [19:40] BluesKaj_: woudl be great to get this laptop running kubuntu and virtualize windows [19:40] I don't like it, the way it has been made as difficult as can be to remove it... probably a direct reaction to people removing the package in Raring [19:40] TJ-: doign a network upgrade to saucy [19:41] I've only used Saucy for servers... rolls over to the kvm to check the lens source [19:42] eagles0513875_. would it be easier to just wipe the drive clean, then start anew? [19:42] BluesKaj_: not reallly as this is a brand new install [19:42] reformatted and everything with raring installed [19:42] all i did was a base ubuntu install [19:42] still have w8 on it ? [19:42] then installed kubuntu-desktop [19:42] BluesKaj_: no [19:42] ok [19:42] i burned the recovery partition to dvd yesterday [19:43] BluesKaj_, limiting you are right, haven't seen the error. I Hope you can survive to this [19:43] i am wondering though if the hardware is a bit way to new for it [19:43] TJ-: i stick with LTS for servers and all my vps's are on 12.04 [19:43] vixxo. not to worry , I'm just an old grump [19:43] eagles0513875_. can attest to that :) [19:43] BluesKaj_: how so [19:44] this laptop has a 4th gen haswell i in it which is fairly recent [19:44] ill know in about 11 min if saucy will work otherwise i will need to go back to windows but at least win 7 [19:44] could be HW , but unlikely , eagles0513875_ [19:44] vixxo: you can disable them it seems: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Lenses disabled-scopes ['more_suggestions-amazon.scope', 'more_suggestions-skimlinks.scope', 'more_suggestions-u1ms.scope']; [19:45] BluesKaj_: the scree at one point after it gets past grub will flash then go black [19:45] vixxo: that seems to get rid of the More Suggestions stuff, you can add any other scopes there you don't want to use [19:45] do youse a logo of any kind ? [19:45] you see [19:45] BluesKaj_: i wonder if its could be potentially a graphics driver issue or something with the intel chipset i have [19:45] thanks trism [19:45] BluesKaj_: you mean login or kubuntu logo [19:45] no like nvidia or ... [19:46] eagles0513875: I use 13.10 for apache 2.4 and forward-secrecy [19:46] BluesKaj_: no its an intel chipset and video [19:46] TJ-: ahh nice :) [19:47] ouch , intel graphics [19:47] im using mpm-event on 2.2 on 12.04 [19:47] BluesKaj_: could that be the cause right there? [19:47] eagles0513875: Has it got openssh-server installed? can you remote into it? watch the logs 'live' with "tail -f" maybe [19:47] TJ-: ? what do you mean the laptop [19:47] Whatever has the problem [19:47] i have it with me right next to me but its doign a network upgrade to saucy atm [19:47] yes i have it right next to me [19:47] it's possible eagles0513875_ , can't be certain [19:47] i got into recovery via grub and got it to mount thefile system and network [19:48] and now doing an upgrade to saucy [19:48] I've moved away from using the installers now, I've found much more control using debootstrap, starting with the ubuntu-minimal task, and the building up [19:48] ok , good eagles0513875_ that mean you may have fix come down , unless you used a daily [19:48] TJ-: how does one work with debootstrap? [19:49] BluesKaj_: which i did :( [19:49] no no [19:49] wait i didnt i put a dialy on my pen drive but it was corrupted somehow [19:49] well , update /upgrade anyway [19:51] BluesKaj_: im getting anxious now lol [19:51] don't , is there some kind of dealine , again ? [19:51] deadline ratrher [19:51] no i just want a working system again lol [19:52] BluesKaj_: this is the cpu in it http://ark.intel.com/products/75117 which was only released 2nd quarter of this year [19:52] eagles0513875: I start off with "sudo -i" then "mkdir /target; lvcreate -L 6G -n rootfs $VG"; lvcreate -L 512M -n boot $VG; lvcreate -L 6G -n var $VG; lvcreate -L 10G -n home $VG; mkfs.ext4 -L boot /dev/$VG/boot; mkfs.ext4 -L var /dev/$VG/var; mkfs.ext4 -L home /dev/$VG/home; mkfs.ext4 -L rootfs /dev/$VG/rootfs; mount /dev/$VG/rootfs /target; mkdir /target/{boot,var,home}; mount /dev/$VG/var /target/var".... etc. [19:53] ahh that is interesting :) [19:53] so basically you setup one os which has partitions which can grow in otherwords [19:54] BluesKaj_: do you know if i installed kubuntu-full meta package if i will be able to uninstall programs which i wont use etc? [19:54] eagles0513875: Then when all the volumes are mounted to /target I do "debootstrap --arch $ARCH --foreign --variant minbase saucy /target http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu" and then switch into /target/ with chroot, configure network and other bits, then "/debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage" [19:55] eagles0513875: Yes, all my installations use LVM that way, gives maximum flexibility to mirror, expand, move, snapshot, etc [19:55] :) [19:55] eagles0513875_. yes , but it's a pita , better to install the default packages then add if you need any [19:56] BluesKaj_: bah ok :( [19:57] wish it coudl work both ways [19:57] abou t3/4's of the default apps are taking up space for nothing [19:57] why not try the the miniremix [19:58] dunno if it's availabele yet [19:58] remix? [19:58] for 13.10 that is' [19:58] what exactly is in said remix though [19:58] minimal install, based on "ubuntu-minimal" task [19:58] in a way that is what i did [19:59] a minimal base install then via grub and command line installed the kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-full forgot which one [20:02] http://www.ubuntu-mini-remix.org/ [20:14] BluesKaj_: TJ- :D packages are installing for saucy [20:15] then once installed , do sudo release-upgrade -d [20:15] gotta go [20:15] lol BluesKaj_ im already running do-release-upgrade [20:16] do-release-upgrade -d [20:16] later [20:16] later BluesKaj_ :) [20:25] hey genii :) [20:25] * genii sips and waves [20:27] hows it going genii [20:33] Well, it's Friday and Monday is a holiday here so pretty good :) [20:34] bah still no luck here tj genii :( [20:34] after upgrading to saucy [20:34] still a black screen of nothign ness [20:35] eagles0513875_: Tried the nomodeset and so on? [20:36] genii: how do i set those in grub? [20:37] !nomodeset [20:37] A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter [20:38] that coudl be just what i need [20:40] * eagles0513875_ gives genii a bear hug [20:40] genii: that did the trick [20:40] Cool. [20:40] is there a way i can st that permenently in grub [20:43] genii: have another issue [20:43] traackpad isnt working [20:45] eagles0513875_: For permanent, add into /etc/default/grub the line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset" ...and then do: sudo update-grub [20:45] Trackpad you'll need to find someone else to assist with it ... [20:46] no problem genii [21:19] Any reason why the RC isn't out yet? [21:28] it isn't ready [21:36] febLey: Its not published yes. [21:36] *yet === Maple__ is now known as Guest95952 === Guest95952 is now known as Mapley === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat