[05:22] <BobJonkman> azend|vps: I've already checked LinkedIn this month.
[05:36] <azend|vps> BobJonkman: :P
[05:36] <azend|vps> I've been checking LinkedIn every few days in the last two weeks
[05:36] <azend|vps> LinkedIn is starting to become an interesting network
[05:36] <BobJonkman> Expecting somethiing?
[05:36] <azend|vps> no
[05:37] <azend|vps> I'm starting to get around to connecting with all of the people I know though
[05:37] <azend|vps> I figure I should get in touch before people forget me and this is pretty low impact
[05:38] <BobJonkman> There's some value in that.  I'm seeing many different jobhunt sites (and even IRL recruiters) using and recommending LinkedIn
[05:38] <BobJonkman> Why not use Classmates.com?
[05:38] <azend|vps> You should see how much linkedin and other recruiting sites charge to post a job listing
[05:38] <BobJonkman> or one of the other many social networks?
[05:38] <azend|vps> they're all upwards of $600
[05:38] <azend|vps> each
[05:39] <BobJonkman> I hope the places that fork out $600 are getting value for their money
[05:40] <BobJonkman> I expect that each job posting gets hundreds of responses (if not thousands (or even more zeroes))
[05:40] <BobJonkman> And I wonder how many are repostings of others on Monster, Workopolis or Taleo
[05:40] <BobJonkman> (or vice versa)
[05:41] <azend|vps> BobJonkman: http://www.workopolis.com/solutions/en/product/job-posting
[05:41] <BobJonkman> I've been reading that there are 1000 unfilled tech jobs in Waterloo.
[05:41] <BobJonkman> But if they're counting job postings on the online sites maybe there's only five jobs, repeated 200 times
[05:42] <azend|vps> I know what The Co-operators pays for listings to be put up on LinkedIn and Workopolis
[05:42] <azend|vps> I think they also put them up on another paid site too but I can't remember their name
[05:43]  * BobJonkman looks at that link.  Yowza!
[05:43] <azend|vps> + the careers website and twitter of course
[05:43] <azend|vps> + $50 extra for your job posting to be bolded
[05:43] <BobJonkman> I'm seeing many company's own branded career page actually redirecting to Taleo
 costs $50
[05:43] <azend|vps> :P
[05:44] <azend|vps> I've never heard of Taleo
[05:44] <BobJonkman> $25 per HTML element.  I should charge for Web pages at that rate!
[05:44] <azend|vps> Ooh oracle
[05:44] <azend|vps> tough luck
[05:44] <azend|vps> $10 per line
[05:45] <BobJonkman> Dear Client: Our analysis has revealed that your site is missing approximately 100 <blink> tags.
[05:45] <azend|vps> + $5 extra if it is a block element
[05:45] <BobJonkman> Taleo is used by Manulife, RIM (or, I guess, Blackberry)
[05:45] <BobJonkman> Others too, can't think of them off the top of my head
[05:46] <azend|vps> Hmm
[05:49] <BobJonkman> BTW, I'm hoping to see an @azend on the OStatus networks soon!
[05:50] <azend|vps> haha
[05:50] <azend|vps> I used to
[05:52] <azend|vps> What benefit is there these days to running your own SN instance?
[05:52] <azend|vps> Either you talk to yourself a lot or you connect it with twitter
[05:52] <BobJonkman> The privacy and security of !selfhosting
[05:52] <azend|vps> And if you connect it to twitter, you may as well just use twitter
[05:53] <BobJonkman> There's actually quite an active community: http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/List_of_Independent_Statusnet_Instances
[05:54] <BobJonkman> And about six largish open sites inc. https://loadaverage.org/ and https://quitter.se/
[05:54] <BobJonkman> There are concentrations of communities all interconnected; the one I'm in is big in Free Software (small surprise).
[05:55] <BobJonkman> Meant to ask you, azend|vps, are you planning a Release Party for 13.10 ?
[05:56] <azend|vps> Yeah.. I've just been swamped again
[05:56] <azend|vps> Perhaps a friday night at diyode again?
[05:57] <BobJonkman> Sounds great!
[05:58] <azend|vps> BobJonkman: what I want is to set up a localized mesh network and avoid the internet all together for this kind of thing
[05:58] <azend|vps> We could set up some social networks on there
[05:58] <BobJonkman> What is "this kind of thing"?
[05:58] <azend|vps> I have some high power wifi radios that I could use but my mesh network is still a ways out
[05:59] <azend|vps> this kind of thing being social networks
[05:59] <azend|vps> or any major proprietary cloud service
[06:00] <BobJonkman> And just on a private wifi mesh?
[06:01] <BobJonkman> I thought this might have been it: https://openwireless.org/
[06:01] <BobJonkman> But it's not.
[06:01] <azend|vps> with status net and sparkle share, what else do you need :)
[06:01] <azend|vps> BobJonkman: just on a private internal network
[06:01] <BobJonkman> You should have a chat with Michael Kaulbach (genii), who's involved with the Toronto Freenet.
[06:02] <BobJonkman> There was a WiFi mesh component in that, with some sort of central node at the old Linuxcaffee
[06:02] <azend|vps> Is he in any way involved with nich0las doing the same thing at HackLab.TO?
[06:02] <BobJonkman> Very likely
[06:03]  * BobJonkman has to look up sparkle share
[06:03] <BobJonkman> Ah! I have something similar with ownCloud
[06:04] <azend|vps> I know
[06:04] <azend|vps> how well does it work?
[06:04] <azend|vps> I've heard anywhere from "Own cloud is the best thing since sliced bread" to "OwnCloud is a sack of crap"?
[06:05] <BobJonkman> ownCloud does a reasonably good job of synching folders
[06:05] <BobJonkman> Slightly less so sharing media
[06:06] <BobJonkman> (you can share media by sharing folders, but the native media player will only share to accounts on ownCloud; no public shares)
[06:06] <BobJonkman> And the calendar works well enough as a CalDAV repository, but the native calendar client sucks
[06:08] <BobJonkman> The best part (so far) is the "Instant upload" feature - integrated sharing of my Android's camera folder.  I take a picture, and it appears almost immediately
[06:08] <BobJonkman> Both on the ownCloud Web folder and native Media client, as well as on my computer that's synching the folder
[06:08] <azend|vps> Yeah, that's pretty cool
[06:08] <azend|vps> I wish upload speeds in canada weren't quite as bad though
[06:09] <azend|vps> that would make ownCloud shine
[06:09] <BobJonkman> There's some degree of media sharing between the Android and ownCloud as well, but you can tell it's really just folder synch underneath.
[06:09] <BobJonkman> That's not a bad thing, tho.
[06:10] <BobJonkman> Yup! (Canada upload speeds)
[06:10] <BobJonkman> That's a good argument to run a community WiFi mesh.
[06:10] <BobJonkman> Everything runs at WiFi speeds (although multi-hop lag becomes a bottleneck)
[06:11] <azend|vps> True although that assumes you use wifi as the interconnect
[06:13] <BobJonkman> Tough to run a wired mesh community network...
[06:20] <azend|vps> Tougher to get that network connected up with Elora :)
[06:20] <azend|vps> It's probably easier to do a vpn interconnect via regular internet
[06:21] <azend|vps> Use openvpn or ipsec ror something
[20:20]  * genii sips