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| dholbach | good morning | 06:59 |
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| Rhonda | Is there a wiki or help page on the difference between regular suite and -update suite? | 14:38 |
| Rhonda | And the timeline for when -update flows back into regular one? I.e. the point releases? | 14:38 |
| Rhonda | Ah, I guess I found it, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule | 14:39 |
| Rhonda | Are all packages in -update flowing into the next point, or are there sometimes packages getting rejected? | 14:40 |
| cjwatson | Rhonda: all packages in -updates go to the next point release - in fact the point release is basically a snapshot of -updates | 15:15 |
| Rhonda | A snapshot of -updates? So -updates is a full suite, not just the revised packages? | 15:17 |
| cjwatson | Sorry, a snapshot of (release + release-updates) | 15:19 |
| cjwatson | -updates is a partial suite | 15:19 |
| Rhonda | Thanks :) | 15:31 |
| Legendario | hi | 17:09 |
| Legendario | bzr builddeb fails and says "secret key not available" | 17:09 |
| Legendario | but I have the key | 17:09 |
| Legendario | may be it is because I have multiple keys in it | 17:10 |
| Legendario | is there a way to specify the key? | 17:11 |
| Legendario | like there was in dh_builddeb | 17:11 |
| psusi | what is a "multi byte string"? Does that mean UTF-8 or does it depend on your locale? | 18:14 |
| jtaylor | any unicode string can be multibyte | 18:19 |
| jtaylor | e.g there are unicode codecs with fixed size, 2, 3 or 4 byte, or variable size codecs like utf-8 | 18:19 |
| jtaylor | utf-8 is multibyte as soon as you go beyong ascii (or latin1?) | 18:20 |
| psusi | I mean the C functions like wctomb... what does it mean when it says multi byte? what is the actual char set used? | 18:23 |
| psusi | parted seems to be taking the UTF-16 string in the partition table and just decimating it to 8 bit chars by discarding the upper 8 bits | 18:24 |
| psusi | so I'm trying to figure out how to fix it to translate it to the proper form, but I'm not sure what that is and how to do it... | 18:24 |
| psusi | I'm guessing it is UTF-8 | 18:25 |
| psusi | or does the native code set depend on the current locale? and some don't use utf-8? | 18:26 |
| jtaylor | there is utf-16 in the partition table oO | 18:28 |
| jtaylor | fun | 18:28 |
| jtaylor | I think what the C w* functions do is locale dependent | 18:28 |
| jtaylor | but luckyly I never had to actually use them | 18:29 |
| jtaylor | so can't really help you | 18:29 |
| psusi | looks like I need to convert from utf-16 to wchar_t, then convert that into whatever encoding the current locale is using... wait... what is wchar_t? isnt't that always utf-16? | 18:32 |
| jtaylor | I think so | 18:32 |
| jtaylor | no not utf-16, but always 2 byte | 18:32 |
| jtaylor | could be UCS-16 or whatever weird 2 byte encodings there are | 18:33 |
| jtaylor | hm no its not even defined what size it is in the standard | 18:34 |
| jtaylor | (4 byte on my system btw) | 18:36 |
| psusi | jesus christ... how can all of these conversion functions talk about what they are converting from/to without knowing what the actual format of either end is! | 18:37 |
| jtaylor | they get it from the locale | 18:38 |
| Legendario | any help up above? | 18:38 |
| psusi | so the locale defines BOTH the format of wchar_t, and the multibyte char set? | 18:38 |
| jtaylor | yes | 18:39 |
| psusi | this is fubar | 18:39 |
| jtaylor | Legendario: pass -k<keyid> to the build | 18:39 |
| jtaylor | or DEBSIGN_KEYID= in ~/.devscripts | 18:39 |
| jtaylor | yes unicode in C is no fun | 18:39 |
| jtaylor | man problems would be solved if everything would just be utf8 :( | 18:40 |
| Legendario | jtaylor, I've tried but got an error "bzr: ERROR: no such option: -k" | 19:06 |
| jtaylor | add it after -- | 19:06 |
| jtaylor | it goes to dpkg-buildpackage | 19:06 |
| jtaylor | bzr-buildpackage -- -k | 19:06 |
| Legendario | jtaylor, cool! Worked out! :-) | 19:11 |
| Legendario | jtaylor, what does the -- stand for? | 19:12 |
| jtaylor | its convention to indicate stop parsing for own parameters and pass the rest on to sub-processes | 19:12 |
| cjwatson | or treat as literal strings rather than options | 19:12 |
| Legendario | jtaylor, cjwatson , awsome! :-) Is it still possible to add a package to saucy or is it already frozen? | 19:23 |
| cjwatson | We're pretty hard-frozen for non-essentials | 19:24 |
| cjwatson | But T is only six months away | 19:24 |
| psusi | Tiny Trilobyte? ;) | 19:45 |
| psusi | I could have sworn that redhat had a nice page that made it simple to see what patches they have applied to their packages, but google is being unhelpful. Anyone know what I'm talking about? | 20:09 |
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