[01:41] <rick_h_> hello from camp harding
[01:42] <rick_h_> called the capmgroud "hey, can I reserve a spot?" and got "well we've got 8 left first come first serve"
[01:42] <rick_h_> phew, got here in time to pick of the last 3 of 100+ sites :/
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[12:13] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:14] <rick_h_> morning
[12:30] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:30] <cmaloney> reminder: Release party this weekend
[12:31] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/2580-michigan-ubuntu-release-party-ubuntu-1310/
[12:31] <cmaloney> Still not seeing it on the calendar.
[12:31] <brousch> George and I are going to our first ComicCon on Saturday
[12:32] <rick_h_> brrrr this morning
[12:42] <brousch> That's brisk, baby!
[12:44] <rick_h_> yea
[12:55] <cmaloney> brousch: good luck
[12:56] <brousch> It's 1.5 miles from my house
[12:57] <rick_h_> cool
[13:17] <cmaloney> btw: The Macomb Gem and Mineral show is this weekend.
[13:18] <cmaloney> two words: Coprolite City.
[13:19] <brousch> Is that considered a gem or a mineral?
[13:20] <cmaloney> It's considered awesome
[13:20] <brousch> How many do you own?
[13:21] <cmaloney> None
[13:21] <cmaloney> I can't bring myself to own any
[13:21] <brousch> I own 1 that I bought while working at the UM Museum store
[13:51] <jrwren> where are you camping rick_h_ ?
[13:51] <rick_h_> jrwren: over in lake orion area, east of it a bit
[13:52] <rick_h_> they've got a halloween weekend hting with trick or treating and events and it's hard to get a spot so ran out last night to get one of hte last 3 avail
[13:52] <jrwren> i can't htink of parks east of LO
[13:52] <rick_h_> so working from here today with the dog until the fam can make it out
[13:52] <rick_h_> addison oaks
[13:52] <rick_h_> http://www.destinationoakland.com/parksandtrails/campgrounds/addisonoaks/Pages/default.aspx
[13:53] <rick_h_> http://www.destinationoakland.com/parksandtrails/mapspublications/Documents/addison-campsite-map.pdf #84
[13:53] <jrwren> ah, yeah, I know addison oaks
[13:53] <rick_h_> ah cool. Yea this is our local stomping grounds. 3rd timehere this year
[13:54] <jrwren> i grew up in Lake Orion (age1-14)
[13:54] <rick_h_> ah, very cool
[13:54] <rick_h_> most of my local family is from oxford so I grew up driving through LO to get to oxford
[13:55] <rick_h_> I remember when there was a dead area a few miles on M-24 between them. Now you can't tell where one ends and the other begins
[13:55] <jrwren> http://labs.spotify.com/2013/10/10/packaging-in-your-packaging-dh-virtualenv/  thoughts?
[13:56] <jrwren> oh yeah, I know what you mean. Now it is sprawl all the way up lapeer rd.
[13:56] <jrwren> I had an alergy specialist in oxford as a kid, so I know the exact dead area you mean.
[13:57] <rick_h_> so I saw that and saved it to go over later in more detail. It looks like it's just having the debian package setup your virtualenv which is cool and all, but must be using mixed setup then anyway with packages from pypi/packages from system
[13:57] <rick_h_> so you still end up compiling your py packages on the system, you just skip the step in the instructoins of "before running make install, apt-get install these -dev packages"
[13:58] <rick_h_> So ok, you can apt-get install my-software-project, and use deb packaging to setup/run make and such? I'm not sure 100%.
[13:59] <jrwren> i'm not sure either. I'm going to read it now. I haven't read it.
[13:59] <rick_h_> yea let me know what you think. I think I'm missing some bits of it and need to sit down with it
[14:18] <jcastro> hey jrwren
[14:18] <jcastro> you guys have ubuntu server @ work right?
[14:20] <brousch> I have 10.04 and 12.04 servers
[14:23] <cmaloney> brousch: We don't count. :)
[14:24] <brousch> I definitely don't have anything cloud-like
[14:24] <jrwren> jcastro: yes.
[14:25] <jrwren> jcastro: driving everything I do off of it. even leaning toward replacing our internal distro with it for all but 1 thing :)
[14:25] <jrwren> ubuntu-cloudimg + cloudinit&cloudconfig is the best thing in a long time.
[14:25] <jrwren> puppet is for suckers.
[14:26] <jrwren> rick_h_: dh-virtualenv appears to do the virtualenv and build, including build dep debs at build time, so you won't need -devel packages at run time. This looks SWEET
[14:29] <jcastro> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-manual.html
[14:29] <jcastro> here you go
[14:29] <jcastro> poor man's openstack
[14:30] <jrwren> oooh. taht isn't poor mans openstack. that is power mans provisioning
[14:31] <rick_h_> jrwren: so that's what I mean. It just does the step "apt-get install python-dev ..." right?
[14:31] <rick_h_> jrwren: you're still compiling python packages on the server
[14:31] <jcastro> jrwren, another one is "it's like maas, but works."
[14:36] <cmaloney> my biiggest concern (and I know what you're going to respond, but hear me out) is if and when Canonical abandons this methodology for "the new  hotness" who will pick up the pieces?
[14:36] <cmaloney> because it feels like there's not a lot there to keep it going if Canonical bails on it.
[15:34] <jrwren> rick_h_: no, you compiling hte python packages on teh build server. it packages the virtualenv into the deb.  when you install the deb everything is already built
[15:35] <jrwren> jcastro: hahaha @ maas but works... becuase it doesn't actually do the physical provisioning :)
[15:35] <jcastro> cmaloney, this is the new hotness
[15:35] <jrwren> cmaloney: if that is your biggest concern, you should adopt it immediately.  My biggest concern is that it solves a problem that I don't have :)
[15:36] <jcastro> brousch, nothing cloud like? Excellent
[15:36] <jcastro> that's exactly what I need!
[15:36] <rick_h_> jrwren: ah ok
[15:37] <jcastro> jrwren, yeah the bummer is that automated provisioning is hard
[15:37] <jrwren> it CAN be hard.
[15:37] <jcastro> if you have the right IPMI hardware across the board that works, it's totally easy
[15:37] <jcastro> but most people do not
[15:37] <jrwren> right.
[15:37] <jcastro> like we have different gens of proliants
[15:37] <jrwren> in our case, we have lots of arbor appliance hardware.
[15:37] <jcastro> all slightly different
[15:39] <jrwren> ours customers are usually more network admin, so used to routers and switches and serial consoles, so we favor serial console to IPMI, which makes autoprovision with something like maas even MORE troublesome
[15:39] <jrwren> routers and switches typically don't behave as dhcp clients :)
[15:48] <jcastro> nod
[19:55] <brousch> greg-g cmaloney: What social networking are you freetards using these days?
[20:01] <jrwren> iMessage all over my iOS devices!
[20:38] <cmaloney> brousch: Google Plus, mostly
[20:39] <cmaloney> Waiting for Identi.ca to mature, but finding that I don't give a shit about the long-form diatribes
[20:40] <cmaloney> that and the interface still needs to bake
[20:40] <cmaloney> I think greg-g uses Idenit.ca though
[20:45] <brousch> I thought that went away
[20:53] <cmaloney> It's no longer using Status.net
[20:53] <cmaloney> Now it's using pump.io
[20:54] <cmaloney> Which is interesting, but it's still not 100% baked yet