| Noskcaj | knome: Should we add something about python3 to the blueprint? | 01:01 |
|---|---|---|
| Noskcaj | And should we add something about whiskermenu? | 01:02 |
| micahg | yeah | 01:25 |
| Noskcaj | micahg: Is there anything i can do to help with the remaining uploads we need? | 02:56 |
| micahg | I think I'm ok with xfce4-panel now, will start on it in a little bit | 02:58 |
| Noskcaj | ok. | 02:58 |
| Noskcaj | one other thing, what's the process for joining the ~xubuntu-dev team? | 02:59 |
| micahg | just for bzr, familiarity with good branch practices and packaging | 03:01 |
| Noskcaj | My parents have decided that xubuntu is a bad influence on me, so i won't be able to do anything other than small amounts of irc for the next 24 hours. sorry | 06:41 |
| Unit193 | Corsec pulled xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin in, for those of you that care. | 07:30 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193: fyi, i said that two days ago and Most of the work was one of the linux mint devs | 07:37 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre: PING | 07:37 |
| Unit193 | But it wasn't in NEW, so not in repo or anywhere close to installable. :) | 07:38 |
| Noskcaj | good point, it was just the svn that mati and i got it to. | 07:38 |
| lderan | good morning people :) | 08:24 |
| ochosi | Unit193: cool! that's good news, so we can basically sync that "for free" | 09:03 |
| Unit193 | It'll autosync for Trixy Tiger. | 09:03 |
| ochosi | mm, yummy | 09:03 |
| slickymaster | morning all | 09:08 |
| bluesabre | anybody know what Noskcaj wanted from me? | 09:23 |
| ochosi | not really, maybe it was about python3? | 09:23 |
| bluesabre | or being on xubuntu-dev | 09:25 |
| * bluesabre needs to finish his developer application today | 09:26 | |
| ochosi | mm | 09:26 |
| bluesabre | hm | 09:28 |
| bluesabre | patching light-locker for gdm, seems a bit redundant | 09:28 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 09:28 |
| ochosi | yeah, but that's for *bsd | 09:29 |
| ochosi | and they don't have the latest gdm i think, which includes the locking | 09:29 |
| bluesabre | ah, I see | 09:29 |
| ochosi | but we'll see whether that's gonna happne | 09:29 |
| ochosi | for now i love the screensaver-autolocking | 09:29 |
| brainwash | I still hate the vt switching =S | 10:30 |
| brainwash | ochosi: so I fixed the delayed kbsa (keyboard shortcut actions) on my test system by running a wrapper for xfsettingsd, it adds just a debug env var and redirects the error output | 10:34 |
| ochosi | i agree that the VT switching isn't ideal, but maybe that'll get less flickery with X/Mir | 10:35 |
| brainwash | maybe it's the minimal delay added by the wrapper | 10:35 |
| ochosi | weird, so why would you say does the wrapper work exactly? | 10:36 |
| brainwash | maybe it's just randomness, but both accounts work now | 10:36 |
| brainwash | I also did clear any session cache | 10:36 |
| brainwash | usually that did not help | 10:37 |
| ochosi | hm | 10:37 |
| ochosi | kinda odd still | 10:37 |
| brainwash | and I noticed that xfsettingsd gets started by the session manager, but there's also an activated autostart entry for it | 10:38 |
| brainwash | the autostart entry doesn't do much, because xfsettingsd is already running at this point | 10:38 |
| ochosi | hm, weird | 10:40 |
| ochosi | did removing it from there do any good? | 10:41 |
| brainwash | no, but leaving it and removing the session entry might | 10:41 |
| brainwash | if it really is some sort of race condition / process starting to earyl | 10:42 |
| brainwash | early | 10:42 |
| brainwash | I'll file a bug report today | 10:43 |
| brainwash | http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/tree/xfsettingsd/xfsettingsd.desktop.in | 10:45 |
| brainwash | probably just a fall back solution, if xfce session is failing or not used at all | 10:45 |
| ochosi | mhm | 10:49 |
| ochosi | good work! | 10:49 |
| brainwash | and I noticed that users-admin triggers apport after you did create a new account and relog | 10:49 |
| brainwash | but that's a general ubuntu issue | 10:50 |
| brainwash | ochosi: still, I have no single log file which explains the strange xfsettingsd behavior | 10:51 |
| brainwash | a glib critical can occur, but even when everything works fine | 10:52 |
| brainwash | if anyone wants to test the patch for bug 1232363 and none of the updated packages trigger a restart, simply run "sudo touch /run/reboot-required" and reopen update-manager | 11:08 |
| ubottu | bug 1232363 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update Manager Restart button fails on xubuntu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232363 | 11:08 |
| ochosi | brainwash: you could add that info to test the patch to the bugreport so others see it as well | 11:25 |
| ochosi | have you already thugged a dev bout itß | 11:26 |
| ochosi | ? | 11:26 |
| brainwash | yes, I've asked the dev who uploaded the last fix to update-manager, but he wasn't in the mood to write a patch, only told me that he gladly sponsor the upload | 11:28 |
| brainwash | the report is marked for the review team to test.. but who knows how long it will take | 11:29 |
| brainwash | but with the amount of kernel updates there shouldn't be any need to request a reboot manually :) | 11:33 |
| ochosi | hehe | 11:48 |
| ochosi | indeed | 11:48 |
| brainwash | xfce4-panel xcb io assertion fail on login | 11:49 |
| brainwash | apport redirects me to some ancient bug report | 11:50 |
| brainwash | I started to launch/test different applications (everything ubuntu related), and apport keeps bugging me | 11:52 |
| elfy | I've got a update-manager restart hanging around - I can test the patch later - but you'll need to run me through applying it - don't do it often and consequently forget each time | 11:55 |
| brainwash | elfy: cd /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/UpdateManager && sudo patch < /path/to/patch | 11:57 |
| elfy | that's just hanging around - I'll see if it's still hanging around in a few hours when I get back :) | 12:02 |
| brainwash | you'll need to restart the update-manager | 12:03 |
| ochosi | ali1234, andrzejr: an update for the sound-indicator just came in that enables a "volume" action that does the same as scrolling but without showing a notification... | 12:14 |
| brainwash | notification popup? | 12:15 |
| brainwash | or tooltip | 12:15 |
| ochosi | notification | 12:16 |
| ochosi | afaik the indicators don't have tooltips | 12:16 |
| brainwash | xfce4-volumed is responsible for showing a notification when the volume changes | 12:17 |
| ochosi | i know | 12:18 |
| ochosi | but now there seems to be support for not showing a notification in the sound-indicator, so that could theoretically be used in the volumed | 12:19 |
| ochosi | haven't looked at the implementation yet though | 12:19 |
| ochosi | just thought i'd mention it since we had talked about it before | 12:19 |
| brainwash | the never-ending gtk2 indicator story =S | 12:19 |
| brainwash | or wait, are you talking about the gtk3 one? | 12:20 |
| ochosi | yup | 12:20 |
| ochosi | gtk2 is dead-dead-dead in terms of indicators as far as i am concerned | 12:21 |
| brainwash | wish I could help with the xfce gtk2 -> gtk3 transition and even wayland... but I have no clue about almost anything | 12:27 |
| brainwash | it would basically mean forking the project and start coding, experimenting,.. | 12:29 |
| ochosi | not necessarily forking, cloning git and making your private branch is usually the first step | 12:30 |
| brainwash | yea | 12:30 |
| ochosi | then you can always push your stuff, as soon as you have working code, to e.g. github for others to try | 12:30 |
| brainwash | but it would be my way of doing things | 12:31 |
| brainwash | well, too much work anyway :P | 12:31 |
| ochosi | well usually people do things their way | 12:31 |
| brainwash | bug 1238635 | 12:33 |
| ubottu | bug 1238635 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Inconsistent logic of file navigation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1238635 | 12:33 |
| brainwash | (just a random bug report) | 12:35 |
| ochosi | well it's actually quite an important one i'd say | 12:36 |
| ochosi | i've come across it several times, and it's true that it should be addressed | 12:36 |
| ochosi | and it shouldn't be too hard i guess, if you wanna give it a try ;) | 12:36 |
| brainwash | needs to be fixed upstream | 12:37 |
| ochosi | yeah, i meant you could try to compile thunar and fix the bug | 12:37 |
| ochosi | then attach a patch to bugzilla upstream | 12:38 |
| brainwash | if I run out tasks :) | 12:39 |
| brainwash | there's also the maximize button on dialog windows issue | 12:39 |
| brainwash | cosmetic one | 12:40 |
| ochosi | yeah, not sure about that bug tbh | 12:53 |
| GridCube | the ones under "saucy final" are the release candidates | 13:18 |
| GridCube | ? | 13:18 |
| jjfrv8 | Don't know. I assumed they were but they seemed to be linked to the ones marked "daily". | 13:20 |
| jjfrv8 | the 'final' ones don't have any previously reported bugs showing either, but the 'daily' ones do. | 13:21 |
| GridCube | mmhm | 13:24 |
| thad | ochosi: can you please test http://lpaste.net/94151 | 13:27 |
| brainwash | ochosi: getting closer to a solution :) | 13:32 |
| brainwash | ochosi: so basically something fails when xfsettingsd daemonizes | 14:34 |
| brainwash | elfy: I recall that you also did confirm the initial ~10sec delay, please test http://lpaste.net/94151 | 14:36 |
| brainwash | ochosi: looks like xfsettingsd and xfce4-appfinder share the same problem :) | 14:37 |
| ochosi | brainwash: that's both good and bad i suppose | 14:52 |
| brainwash | it explains, why we both are affected by the same issue | 14:54 |
| brainwash | if you are affected by one of them, you are also affected by the second one | 14:55 |
| ochosi | yup | 14:56 |
| brainwash | the question is still, why isn't it a general issue everyone can confirm :/ | 14:57 |
| brainwash | my test system isn't an upgrade one, but a bloated one | 14:58 |
| ochosi | mine is an upgraded one | 14:58 |
| ochosi | so it's still possible that clean installs aren't affected (which would be good i suppose) | 14:58 |
| brainwash | but it's mainly only xubuntu or? | 14:58 |
| brainwash | which you've installed | 14:59 |
| brainwash | I installed every single DE afterwards | 14:59 |
| brainwash | do you plan do a fresh installation of xubuntu 13.10 (RC?) anytime soon? | 15:00 |
| ochosi | i only have xubuntu here, but it's polluted with quite a bit of git-compiled stuff | 15:02 |
| ochosi | so my system is just a little more reliable than an archbox in terms of bugreporting | 15:03 |
| brainwash | ok, I don't expect a patch anytime soon unless more people start to confirm the delay | 15:05 |
| skellat | Okay, it looks like we can add LP Bug #1232363 as a "Known Issue" that will be address after release according to the most recent comment from Brian Murray on it | 15:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1232363 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update Manager Restart button fails on xubuntu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232363 | 15:13 |
| ochosi | indeed | 15:16 |
| ochosi | well done brainwash ^ | 15:16 |
| brainwash | mmh, why not before final release =S | 15:17 |
| ochosi | let's hope people won't do an upgrade in saucy before that ;) | 15:18 |
| brainwash | after release means, that everyone not downloading updates during installation will encounter a non working restart button once | 15:18 |
| ochosi | it's not such a big deal, only ppl who are currently testing saucy are really affected | 15:18 |
| ochosi | yeah true, but it could be worse | 15:19 |
| brainwash | and the people downloading the final iso? | 15:19 |
| brainwash | ye :) | 15:19 |
| ochosi | after all, it's getting fixed | 15:19 |
| ochosi | you oughta look at the bright side | 15:19 |
| brainwash | we have to reduce the amount of annoyances.. because the indicators already generate so much confusion :D | 15:21 |
| ochosi | a few days in, the focus will shift to 14.04 anyway, and it's much more important to get that one right | 15:28 |
| skellat | ochosi: As much as it is not good to say it...every release is indeed important but some releases are more special than others. | 15:30 |
| skellat | And LP Bug #1238718 is odd to see popping up **now** | 15:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1238718 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Errors in "Chapter 6. Connecting to Internet and Networks" of the Xubuntu Documentation saucy series" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1238718 | 15:34 |
| jjfrv8 | I did notice the inconsistency, but it was that way in the Raring docs so I let it go. | 15:39 |
| slickymaster | skellat, jjfrv8, I did file that bug after discussing it with knome | 15:41 |
| skellat | slickymaster: That's likely going to be stuff for a Stable Release Update and not something we're going to get into the shipping image | 15:42 |
| slickymaster | skellat: yeah, I'm aware of that, but the way I see it at least it will be corrected for the LTS release | 15:44 |
| skellat | slickymaster: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-October/001064.html | 15:44 |
| slickymaster | skellat: :) I've received that one, and knew about it | 15:45 |
| jjfrv8 | We're probably going to be doing a major rewrite for T, eh, skellat? | 15:46 |
| slickymaster | skellat: I've already made all the corrections, are you implying not to push it? | 15:46 |
| skellat | slickymaster: Go ahead. We'll have to prep it to be an SRU | 15:46 |
| slickymaster | skellat: okie dokie, thanks | 15:47 |
| * slickymaster hopes to have all the xubuntu-docs translated before the LTS release :P | 15:48 | |
| skellat | jjfrv8: I'm still wondering what'll come up at the Ubuntu Documentation Project meeting. Theoretically we should attend since Xubuntu Documentation is considered part. | 15:50 |
| jjfrv8 | Right. I plan on attending. | 15:51 |
| skellat | jjfrv8: Do you want to set a time & date after the Ubuntu Documentation Project meeting to hold a Xubuntu Documentation meeting? | 15:53 |
| jjfrv8 | Sounds like a good idea. | 15:53 |
| skellat | We'll have time before UDS to do so | 15:54 |
| jjfrv8 | K | 15:54 |
| jjfrv8 | We'll talk more after the Ubuntu meeting? Gotta go for now. | 15:56 |
| skellat | jjfrv8: Bye | 15:57 |
| * skellat goes to lunch | 16:07 | |
| elfy | brainwash: not getting that patch to work. and as far as "you also did confirm the initial ~10sec delay" I might have - but I'm not seeing it now | 16:44 |
| elfy | and it's pointless showing me code - it means absolutely nothing to me at all | 16:44 |
| brainwash | elfy: you can edit the Dialogs.py and add the lines manually | 16:58 |
| brainwash | elfy: and an easy way to verify the 10sec delay is to run "xfsettingsd --replace" and hit some kb shortcuts like super-t | 17:00 |
| elfy | no delay | 17:01 |
| elfy | as I said :) | 17:01 |
| brainwash | ok, great :) | 17:01 |
| elfy | and that has knackered xchat | 17:01 |
| ali1234 | brainwash: what's this 10 seconds delay? this is with upstart? | 17:09 |
| ali1234 | the new fixed version? | 17:09 |
| brainwash | no, xfsettingsd and xfce4-appfinder respond with a slight delay (10/5) to dbus messages after daemonizing | 17:10 |
| brainwash | hardly anyone can reproduce it | 17:11 |
| brainwash | not calling the daemonize function resolves it | 17:11 |
| ali1234 | yeah i can't reproduce | 17:12 |
| ali1234 | i'm not fully up to date tho, i'll try again in a bit | 17:12 |
| brainwash | the appfinder report is more than a year old | 17:12 |
| brainwash | starting with xfce 4.10 | 17:13 |
| brainwash | nick already migrated the appfinder to gdbus communication upstream, which solved the issue for me | 17:14 |
| ali1234 | can you have a look what is happening with dbus-monitor and/or dfeet? | 17:15 |
| ali1234 | also maybe ~/.cache/upstart/dbus.log | 17:16 |
| ali1234 | also, try making a fresh user profile and see if it still happens | 17:17 |
| brainwash | I'll try it again for xfsettingsd, the the daemonized appfinder process gets stuck at some point and therefore doesn't respond to dbus messages anymore | 17:18 |
| brainwash | it gets stuck loading icon theme files... | 17:18 |
| ali1234 | is it possible you have some stale dbus sockets or something? like maybe because you ran dbus as root one time by accident | 17:18 |
| brainwash | maybe it's random | 17:18 |
| brainwash | in my home folder? | 17:19 |
| ali1234 | yeah, perhaps | 17:19 |
| ali1234 | or maybe /tmp | 17:19 |
| ali1234 | but proably ~ | 17:19 |
| brainwash | unlikely, /tmp gets cleaned on every reboot and I already tested with new user accounts, same result | 17:20 |
| ali1234 | that's really weird | 17:20 |
| ochosi | yeah, i have the same issue | 17:20 |
| ochosi | but it more or less suddenly showed up | 17:20 |
| brainwash | can't reproduce it when booting the daily iso | 17:20 |
| ali1234 | uptime? | 17:20 |
| ochosi | although i can't say whether it showed up after upgrading to 13.10 or sometime running 13.10 upgrades | 17:21 |
| ali1234 | i've seen where buggy apps spam dbus to the point where it crawls and/or crashes | 17:21 |
| brainwash | ochosi: run "xfsettingsd --replace" and hit some kb shortcuts | 17:21 |
| ochosi | yeah | 17:21 |
| brainwash | delayed? | 17:21 |
| ali1234 | and by buggy apps i mean gnome system monitor, lol | 17:21 |
| ochosi | that makes things get stuck again | 17:21 |
| brainwash | afterwards "xfsettingsd --replace --no-daemon" | 17:22 |
| ochosi | yeah, it works as you suggested before | 17:22 |
| brainwash | it's like... we need to ask nick for help :) | 17:23 |
| brainwash | to explain this mystery | 17:24 |
| ochosi | who knows, maybe ali1234 has some tricks up his sleeve :> | 17:25 |
| ochosi | anyway, i have no idea how to debug this kinda dbus stuff | 17:25 |
| ali1234 | check all the log files i mentioned, plus ~/.xsession-errors for anything even slightly related to dbus | 17:25 |
| ali1234 | use dbus-monitor --session to watch dbus requests (very spammy though) | 17:26 |
| brainwash | already did | 17:26 |
| ali1234 | use dfeet to see what is connected to the bus | 17:26 |
| brainwash | yea, d-feet for the xfsettingsd issue, I'll test that | 17:26 |
| ali1234 | try to see at what point it joins the bus | 17:27 |
| ochosi | bbiab | 17:27 |
| ali1234 | if all else fails get the source and fill it with printfs | 17:27 |
| ali1234 | until you find the exact point where it is hanging | 17:27 |
| brainwash | yes, did exactly this for the appfinder | 17:27 |
| brainwash | and it gets stuck loading icon theme files | 17:28 |
| brainwash | doesn't make much sense | 17:28 |
| ali1234 | are you both using the same theme by any chance? | 17:28 |
| ali1234 | xfsettingsd is of course doing stuff with icon themes too... | 17:28 |
| ali1234 | maybe there is a corrupt icon that stalls it | 17:28 |
| brainwash | but it works when not calling the daemonize function | 17:29 |
| brainwash | I should wash my brain and forget about this issue :) | 17:29 |
| ali1234 | that could be just a side effect | 17:29 |
| brainwash | it's the default xubuntu icon theme | 17:30 |
| ali1234 | "elementary Xfce"? | 17:30 |
| ochosi | hey – it's not my fault! | 17:31 |
| * ochosi hides | 17:31 | |
| ochosi | but good idea to check whether it happens with other icon-themes too | 17:31 |
| brainwash | I'm pretty sure that I tried other themes too, but let me try again | 17:31 |
| ali1234 | hmm i just noticed that when i run xfsettingsd --replace it does not background, ie it does not run as a daemon | 17:31 |
| brainwash | woooot | 17:32 |
| ali1234 | wooot? | 17:32 |
| brainwash | it does not background?! | 17:32 |
| ali1234 | yeah, weird huh? | 17:32 |
| ali1234 | oh wait that's not true | 17:32 |
| ali1234 | it outputs to the terminal still, but it is backgrounded | 17:33 |
| ochosi | other icon themes also don't work (just tested gnome) | 17:33 |
| ali1234 | that's weird | 17:33 |
| brainwash | what did it output? | 17:33 |
| ali1234 | a load of debugging messages | 17:33 |
| ali1234 | TRACE[xfce-shortcuts-grabber.c:382] find_event_key(): Positive match for <Super>t | 17:33 |
| ali1234 | and so on | 17:33 |
| brainwash | after pressing the key, right? | 17:34 |
| ali1234 | i am using ubuntu-mono-light icon theme btw | 17:34 |
| ali1234 | yes, after pressing the shortcut. there is loads more both before and after that | 17:34 |
| ali1234 | couldn't reproduce with elementary xfce though | 17:34 |
| ali1234 | maybe it is an icon for a program i don't have installed | 17:34 |
| elfy | I got the same outputs | 17:35 |
| ali1234 | what about running it with strace -e file | 17:36 |
| elfy | and it's sent xchat back to 1999 again | 17:36 |
| ali1234 | strace -f -e file xfsettingsd --replace | 17:38 |
| ali1234 | hmm interesting - i just ran it and i got a very short freeze - but the whole display froze for about 2 seconds | 17:39 |
| ali1234 | you'll want the -r option on strace too to get timestamps | 17:40 |
| brainwash | ali1234: thanks for the valuable information, it will help a lot to find the cause of this faulty behavior | 17:59 |
| slickymaster | skellat, FYI -> https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/+merge/190739 | 18:10 |
| knome | jjfrv8, from my point of view, we do not need a complete rewrite for T, we just need to make sure things are up-to-date | 18:48 |
| pjotr | Hello, I have a question about the merging of the translations. I noticed that the Dutch slideshow translation isn't in the daily build yet, although it has been completed some weeks ago.... | 19:56 |
| pjotr | I mean the ubiquity slideshow | 19:56 |
| pjotr | for Xubuntu 13.10 Saucy | 19:57 |
| pjotr | knome: can you shed some light on this matter? | 19:58 |
| brainwash | ochosi: do you still have overlay scrollbars activated? need you to confirm something | 20:22 |
| brainwash | ochosi elfy ali1234: we have a winner, the overlay_scrollbar module is somehow causing the delay | 20:38 |
| elfy | which will be why I don't see it then | 20:40 |
| brainwash | right, it explains a lot | 20:40 |
| brainwash | but still... What the heck?! | 20:40 |
| elfy | :) | 20:40 |
| brainwash | already filed bug 1236271 | 20:41 |
| ubottu | bug 1236271 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "GTK3 applications do not react to scroll wheel input when overlay scrollbars are activated" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1236271 | 20:41 |
| Unit193 | Never used it. | 20:41 |
| brainwash | guess we should add it to the known issues list | 20:42 |
| brainwash | xubuntu not fully compatible with overlay scrollbar | 20:42 |
| elfy | ohhhh | 20:43 |
| elfy | those fat arrow thingys that they use in ubuntu | 20:43 |
| brainwash | so it's time to get rid of this unity scrollbar invention | 20:46 |
| brainwash | ochosi: try LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 xfsettingsd --replace | 20:47 |
| brainwash | I assume you have them activated as well | 20:47 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i do have them active, yes | 20:57 |
| ochosi | and yes, deactivating them fixes the issue | 20:58 |
| * ochosi goes to purge the overlay-scrollbars | 20:58 | |
| elfy | from the repositories ? | 20:58 |
| elfy | :) | 20:58 |
| ochosi | if it were possible.. | 20:58 |
| elfy | :) | 20:58 |
| ochosi | brainwash: another job well done, so the bug should be re-assigned to the silly overlay-scrollbars i guess | 21:04 |
| brainwash | yea.. uhm.. screw those scrollbars | 21:06 |
| brainwash | they glitch the theme, they prevent scrolling in gtk3 apps and they delay some xfce apps | 21:08 |
| elfy | good job we don't use them then :) | 21:09 |
| Unit193 | Have xubuntu-desktop, or xfwm4 conflict with them. :----D | 21:09 |
| brainwash | ^ :D | 21:09 |
| ochosi | :} | 21:09 |
| brainwash | we could export the env var when logging into xubuntu | 21:10 |
| knome | pjotr, i will have to look at it. | 21:11 |
| brainwash | would that be a valid option? well, people would ask, why the overlay scrollbars are missing in xubuntu | 21:11 |
| brainwash | if they use unity side by side | 21:12 |
| Unit193 | Eh, doesn't make things unusable or crash them, right? Just a delay. | 21:12 |
| brainwash | the daemonized appfinder instance does get stuck | 21:13 |
| brainwash | zombie mode | 21:13 |
| brainwash | from now on appfinder starts delayed | 21:14 |
| brainwash | the new instances | 21:14 |
| brainwash | so, what about deactivating them? | 21:15 |
| pjotr | knome: thanks! | 21:15 |
| knome | brainwash, deactivating them would be an option. | 21:15 |
| brainwash | just like canonical disabled hibernate | 21:15 |
| knome | people can't expect us to work like unity, that's not our goal by any means anyway | 21:15 |
| brainwash | right | 21:16 |
| knome | and people should acknowledge that when told | 21:16 |
| knome | i don't think it's really a bug, it's just a differently working feature | 21:16 |
| elfy | that would certainly be my point of view | 21:16 |
| knome | by that argument people could start filing bugs like "xubuntu doesn't have left-hand panel" and expect us to think they are valid bugs | 21:17 |
| brainwash | it does cause faulty behavior | 21:17 |
| knome | which is? | 21:17 |
| brainwash | "they glitch the theme, they prevent scrolling in gtk3 apps and they delay some xfce apps" | 21:17 |
| knome | the overlay scrollbars? | 21:17 |
| brainwash | yes | 21:17 |
| brainwash | in saucy | 21:17 |
| knome | yeah, well then *having* them is the bug. | 21:17 |
| knome | getting rid of them is not a bug. | 21:18 |
| knome | even if that meant it was working a bit differently than in unity | 21:18 |
| brainwash | it should be added to the known issues list at least :) | 21:18 |
| knome | if there is an env var that can disable them, then we should look at using that | 21:19 |
| knome | that sounds fair | 21:19 |
| knome | feel free to link to http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1310FinalRelease | 21:19 |
| knome | i mean, add a link to the bug in ... | 21:20 |
| knome | + people are still free to poke that document. | 21:20 |
| brainwash | yea, let me file a meta report first | 21:20 |
| knome | sure, thanks | 21:20 |
| brainwash | a "fix" can be shipped after release, if needed | 21:21 |
| elfy | knome: yep - I'll be on that pad in the next few days | 21:21 |
| knome | elfy, cheers :) | 21:21 |
| elfy | mostly bugs people might see during install/upgrade | 21:22 |
| knome | well... | 21:22 |
| knome | not necessarily | 21:22 |
| knome | just bugs that are going to be annoying | 21:22 |
| knome | including most visual bugs | 21:22 |
| knome | or bugs that make things lag | 21:22 |
| elfy | well ... | 21:23 |
| elfy | I'd call a bug you might find during install annoying :) | 21:23 |
| knome | depends | 21:24 |
| knome | if it only happens at installation time, and isn't critical, meh | 21:24 |
| brainwash | does the pad save automatically or do you have to hit the save button all the time? | 21:25 |
| elfy | knome: okey doke | 21:25 |
| knome | brainwash, saves automatically | 21:25 |
| brainwash | ok | 21:25 |
| knome | elfy, but i don't mind if we list a dozen of bugs again, then pick the ones we think are worth mentioning | 21:26 |
| knome | elfy, and whatever pick i made is always debatable | 21:26 |
| elfy | I'd rather have them there and then we can remove - rather than each of us think oh that's not worth mentioning and finding it was | 21:26 |
| elfy | lol | 21:27 |
| knome | yep, that's good | 21:27 |
| knome | for pjotr (who left already) and others; slideshow translations are getting uploaded by stgraber | 21:27 |
| brainwash | add bug 1232363 too? it will get fixed after release | 21:31 |
| ubottu | bug 1232363 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update Manager Restart button fails on xubuntu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232363 | 21:31 |
| knome | will get fixed means what? | 21:31 |
| knome | do we have a working patch ready? | 21:31 |
| ochosi | yup | 21:32 |
| ochosi | brainwash did one | 21:32 |
| elfy | brainwash: add it to the pad please | 21:32 |
| knome | brainwash, ochosi: would you like to beg at #ubuntu-release to get that fix sponsored/uploaded? | 21:32 |
| ochosi | someone already promised to SRU it | 21:32 |
| ochosi | (read the last comment) | 21:33 |
| ochosi | don't think we can get much more at this point... | 21:33 |
| knome | ok, that works for me. | 21:33 |
| knome | but yes, we should list that | 21:33 |
| brainwash | oh, the layout changed | 21:34 |
| brainwash | elfy: it's your bug report, so add it :P | 21:35 |
| elfy | ok - I'm off - cya when I cya | 21:43 |
| knome | ok, ubiquity slideshow translations are uploaded and waiting to get in the images. | 21:45 |
| ochosi | brainwash: fwiw, i haven't seen the scrollbar problem again in firefox | 21:52 |
| ochosi | so it's possible i'll really flip the switch for 14.04 on that one | 21:52 |
| brainwash | ochosi: great news | 21:52 |
| brainwash | I switched to numix though =S | 21:53 |
| knome | ochosi, did you acknowledge we have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu with stuff on the whiteboard? | 21:53 |
| ochosi | brainwash: it's still one of our themes, so i don't mind ;) | 21:53 |
| ochosi | knome: i did, but haven't really had many new ideas yet | 21:53 |
| ochosi | the things i'm interested in are mostly there already (light-locker, mugshot, menulibre) | 21:54 |
| ochosi | also whiskermenu, gtk3-indicators and xubuntu-core metapackage | 21:54 |
| ochosi | ok, just added one item | 21:56 |
| knome | ugh | 21:56 |
| knome | there was an editing conflict | 21:56 |
| knome | shite :P | 21:56 |
| ochosi | hehe | 21:56 |
| ochosi | not for me i think :) | 21:56 |
| knome | well there was | 21:56 |
| knome | LP just doesn't notify about that | 21:56 |
| ochosi | my line is shown in my ff though | 21:56 |
| knome | yeah | 21:56 |
| knome | but meanwhile, i had done other updates | 21:56 |
| knome | and those are lost | 21:57 |
| knome | :P | 21:57 |
| knome | i'll poke that a bit | 21:57 |
| knome | dirty hands off! | 21:57 |
| ochosi | whoopsie :) | 21:57 |
| knome | that's okay, they were mostly formatting stuff | 21:58 |
| knome | we should separate the *discussion* from that to wiki or pad | 21:59 |
| Unit193 | Heh, I don't really care about Whiskermenu, or else I'd use that mintmenu or KDE kickoff crap. :D | 21:59 |
| ochosi | Unit193: it's a nice alternative to appfinder if you bind it to a kb-shortcut | 22:00 |
| ochosi | i used it for a while to launch apps | 22:00 |
| ochosi | but yeah, it's not as clever as appfinder (no custom command system etc) | 22:01 |
| brainwash | ochosi: we don't have a gtk3 indicator (meta) bug report yet, or? | 22:01 |
| ochosi | possible that we don't | 22:01 |
| brainwash | only the soundindicator one | 22:01 |
| ochosi | yup | 22:02 |
| brainwash | yet another report I need to file :) | 22:03 |
| Unit193 | knome: You can assign the core meta more or less to me since I'm already creating it. :P | 22:08 |
| Unit193 | Or better yet, assign to someone else and I slip the information to them. :D | 22:10 |
| knome | Unit193, lol, assigning you. | 22:11 |
| knome | Unit193, do you think you can slip that kind of stuff without having to face the consequences? ;) | 22:12 |
| Unit193 | I liked the second option better. :( | 22:13 |
| knome | nah. just ask for help if you need it. | 22:14 |
| skellat | Do I dare ask how we're doing with the sound/volume issue at this point? Will we be shipping with working "conventional" sound controls or is that gonna be a Known Issue? | 22:18 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre: It was about python3. Should we really be adding extra programs to the seed that aren't yet python3? I can help with converting them if you want | 22:26 |
| Noskcaj | And if you're trying to get added to xubuntu-dev i'd like to see what you had to do so i can get added in a few months | 22:27 |
| knome | instead of poking the LP blueprint, please poke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Goals/T | 22:35 |
| knome | i'm going to more or less have the edit lock in the next 15mins. | 22:35 |
| Noskcaj | knome: Do you think we are still going to try and get python3 only for 14.04? | 22:39 |
| knome | if it's not too much work, and if the things are convertable | 22:41 |
| Noskcaj | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1238997 just appeared | 22:44 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1238997 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "Add support for GTK3 panel indicators" [Undecided,New] | 22:44 |
| Noskcaj | Isn't that slightly reduntant | 22:44 |
| brainwash | Surprise! | 22:44 |
| brainwash | does another report already exist? | 22:44 |
| knome | i don't think there is a bug filed about that. | 22:45 |
| knome | the previous B/FFe was handled in -release ML | 22:45 |
| knome | ok, i'm done with the wikipage for now | 22:47 |
| knome | wait | 22:47 |
| knome | i'm not | 22:47 |
| knome | 1min | 22:47 |
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| knome | done. | 22:53 |
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| ochosi | brainwash: there is a tiny bug in xfwm4-settings currently – the checkbox for vsync doesn't seem to be hooked up to xfconf correctly (if you're looking for low-hanging fruit to dive into code a little) | 23:00 |
| brainwash | ochosi: how can this even happen? :P | 23:04 |
| ochosi | no clue | 23:04 |
| ochosi | but that seems to be the case in 4.11 (haven't checked whether it's fixed in git-master already) | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: I've been developing my applications to work with python 2 or 3, so we can flip the switch for catfish and mugshot at any time | 23:06 |
| bluesabre | I think one of the big things is still gimp | 23:06 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Nice, good forward thinking. 2to3? | 23:06 |
| bluesabre | nope, careful programming and if statements for python version | 23:07 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre: It might be worth making them all python 3 by default at the next upload. gimp is python? | 23:07 |
| bluesabre | several of gimp's plugins are | 23:08 |
| Noskcaj | oh yeah, i think most of them are done though. I was looking at the gnome bug tracker and i think the last few just got fixed | 23:08 |
| knome | maybe it's worth seeing if the gimp core can run with 3, and see what's missing, and if that's reasonable | 23:08 |
| bluesabre | oh sweet | 23:09 |
| Unit193 | knome: Run 2to3! :D | 23:10 |
| Unit193 | Still gtk2 of course. | 23:10 |
| Noskcaj | Speeking of gtk2 and python3, is there anyone who has time to help with porting testdrive to gtk3 and python3? I lack the skills and no one else has the time | 23:13 |
| knome | off for today, see you all later (and nighty!) | 23:14 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: I've got the skills, and perhaps some time | 23:15 |
| bluesabre | all of my apps are a lot more stable than when I started :) | 23:15 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre: yay. If you want to help, the code, along with dan and my attempts, are at code.launchpad.net/testdrive | 23:16 |
| bluesabre | k | 23:16 |
| bluesabre | wha | 23:17 |
| bluesabre | how do some of those files have a revision with a decimal point? | 23:17 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre: I think it's from merges | 23:18 |
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