[08:55] <newLubuntu> Salut
[08:56] <newLubuntu> jHello I'm new in Lubuntu. When I'm doing apt-get irssi for example It doesn't find the package. I guess I need to change my sources or something else ?
[08:57] <Myrtti> sudo apt-get install irssi?
[08:57] <Unit193> It'd be  sudo apt-get install irssi   and if it doesn't find it, then most likely it's an  sudo apt-get update you need.
[08:57] <newLubuntu> in my question I said that I'm doing apt-get install :D
[08:58] <newLubuntu> I will try apt-get update thanks
[08:58] <newLubuntu> Ah yes it's working ^^
[08:59] <pAt_> you didn't newLubuntu, read your question again ;)
[08:59] <newLubuntu> ah yes I didn't write install ^^
[09:51] <pjotr> Hello, I have a question about the merging of translations for Lubuntu Saucy.
[09:51] <pjotr> The Dutch translations for the Ubiquity slideshow of Lubuntu Saucy, aren't complete yet in today's daily build. Although I completed them some weeks ago on Launchpad.
[09:52] <pjotr> Will they be merged before the final edition of Saucy?
[09:56] <pjotr> Unit193: maybe you can shed some light on this?
[10:01] <Unit193> pjotr: There was an upload just "yesterday", you informed knome and he found the right person.  This should have fixed it for both that and Lubuntu.
[10:01] <Unit193> 10-12 doesn't have it
[10:01] <Unit193> ?
[10:02] <Unit193> Yeah, there are no builds for today, I'd check back soon when http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20131012/ fills up.
[10:05] <pjotr> Unit193: OK, thanks.... I downloaded the Lubuntu daily build an hour ago, and indeed it's the build of yesterday....
[10:06] <pjotr> I'll try today's builds of both Lubuntu and Xubuntu, as soon as they are available
[10:07] <Unit193> You'll be able to simply rsync or zsync them up, then.
[10:11] <pjotr> Another thing: I can't find the place where I can translate lxsession-default-apps
[10:11] <pjotr> It's not upstream at LXDE (where I am a translator as well), nor at Launchpad
[10:12] <pjotr> Do you know where I can translate it?
[10:14] <Unit193> Are you sure you can?
[10:15] <pjotr> Unit193: what do you mean?
[10:16] <Unit193> It's part of the lxsession source.
[10:18] <pjotr> Well, it's not translatable upstream. lxsession is fully translated into Dutch: http://pootle.lxde.org/nl/
[10:19] <pjotr> Weird that the strings for lxsession-default-apps don't show up there....
[10:19]  * Unit193 doesn't know, only knows English so translations escape him.
[10:20] <pjotr> :P
[10:20] <Unit193> (Xubuntu daily is up, Lubuntu to follow.)
[10:20] <pjotr> I gave the link just to show the 100 % status.... :-)
[10:21] <pjotr> Maybe I should contact the LXDE devs about lxsession-default-apps?
[10:21] <Unit193> I have no idea.
[10:23] <pjotr> About the daily builds: thanks. I'll try them today and will report back both here and at xubuntu-dev
[14:09] <melodie> hello
[14:09] <melodie> does someone have in mind how much space disk is required to install lubuntu saucy testing?
[14:15] <melodie> here it says how much ram but not how much disk space: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/saucy/beta-1/
[15:08] <holstein> melodie: i would want 5gb's or so, to test what im interested in testing
[15:09] <melodie> hi holstein !
[15:09] <melodie> thanks
[15:09] <holstein> melodie: what are you dealing with? space-wise?
[15:10] <melodie> would you also happen to know how long the lubuntu saucy version is meant to last?
[15:10] <holstein> melodie: AFAIK, they follow the normal support cycles.. 9 months support
[15:11] <melodie> I am partitioning to make space for lubuntu in a 37 GB hard drive where there is already a Debian, an Ubuntu Openbox Remix and all were on primary partitions (and the swap partition and one home partition... )
[15:11] <melodie> 9 months is not much
[15:11] <melodie> when will there be a LTS for Lubuntu?
[15:11] <holstein> melodie: you are always welcome to, and encouraged to support it as long as you like
[15:12] <holstein> melodie: lubuntu *is* ubuntu, though, they have not had an official LTS for a while.. i read that 14.04 lubuntu is planned to be an LTS
[15:12] <melodie> it's not as simple, if we want new versions for pcmanfm, lxpanel, or else, we would need to rely on ppa if they exist
[15:12] <holstein> melodie: you can always build what you want
[15:12] <melodie> oh oh ! 14.04 \o/
[15:13] <melodie> holstein yes, but I'm not keen on packaging and there are other things I take care of :)
[15:13] <holstein> melodie: then, a non-rolling release distro like all the ubuntu's are may not fit your needs
[15:14] <melodie> it's not for my needs, I am an archlinux user, I contribute to Ubuntu because I prefer installing ubuntu to non tech user's machines
[15:15] <melodie> well, I happen once a while to reboot to ubuntu for my needs, but seldom : only when archlinux has broken my printing abilities, and until it is fixed ;)
[15:15] <holstein> melodie: then, you know that it will meet the needs of those users.. you would install an LTS release for them
[15:15] <holstein> xubuntu 12.04 is LTS.. ubuntu 12.04 is LTS, and you can add lxde and end up with bascially lubuntu.
[15:16] <melodie> yes, but I did a mistake for two or three of them, installed the lubuntu 12.04 thinking it was an LTS, and learned later it was not
[15:16] <melodie> yes you can, however the trick is in the version for the main programs : lxappearance, pcmanfm, and so on...
[15:17] <melodie> holstein are you a developer?
[15:17] <holstein> melodie: there is no trick.. the versions, like with all ubuntu's are "frozen".. if you need a newer version, you use a PPA as you mentioned, or add what you need manually
[15:18] <melodie> yes sure :)
[15:18] <holstein> melodie: the "feature" of non-rolling releases is that the versions dont change
[15:18] <holstein> melodie: if you prefer a differnt model, that is fine, but you cant have both
[15:18] <melodie> replace "trick" by "the point is" and you get the idea I was willing to express
[15:18] <holstein> melodie: i am not a code contributor
[15:19] <melodie> earlier in the year it has been told about a rolling release ubuntu project on the dev mailing lists, I'm looking forward to see this come up
[15:19] <melodie> ok
[15:46] <melodie> I have installed htop in the Live USB Lubuntu Saucy testing and when I launch it from the menus, it only starts the lxterminal console
[15:47] <melodie> I don't understand why, I checked the htop.desktop file and it is correct
[19:24] <pjotr> Unit193: the translation of the Ubiquity slideshow in both Lubuntu and Xubuntu has been fixed in today's daily builds. I just checked it. :-)
[19:29] <Unit193> Yeppers.
[20:05] <plusEV> Hi guys, I am missing sound on Lubuntu 13.04
[20:05] <plusEV> Can anyone help with that?
[20:09] <melodie> plusEV what did you try so far?
[20:10] <plusEV> melodie: not much. configured my system but not the sound. This is a new install.
[20:12] <melodie> then what about starting to install what is missing?
[20:12] <melodie> alsa-oss if you want to use alsa, and some gstreamer codecs
[20:12] <melodie> and fluendo-mp3 ...
[20:13] <phillw> one of the easiest things to install is the lubuntu-restricted-extras package. That has a lot of the stuff we cannot ship on the default ISO
[20:13] <plusEV> I juste read on google I might be using sound through my hdmi
[20:13] <plusEV> I will try that fix first
[20:15] <phillw> I've had it reported that the 'easy' way is not working for some, so either use LSC of the command line at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[20:21] <plusEV> will try a reboot
[20:21] <melodie> phillw hi!
[20:22] <melodie> while I'm here, how do people restart alsa when they don't use pa and need to restart the sound daemon or whatever replaces it?
[20:22] <phillw> hi melodie  I have been follwing the emails :)
[20:23] <melodie> oh great!
[20:23] <melodie> :)
[20:23] <melodie> I have started uploading some screenshots
[20:23] <melodie> for two dfi
[20:23] <thehodapp> test
[20:23] <melodie> no for three different installs yet
[20:24] <melodie> hi thehodapp what do you test?
[20:25] <phillw> melodie, I have no problems with alsa, however If you'd like to have a read through, I found this ... http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/3800-solved-how-does-a-user-restart-alsa-without-rebooting/
[20:28] <melodie> ok phillw thanks
[20:30] <melodie> it must be "sudo alsa force-reload"
[20:36] <phillw> melodie, I only found a link with highly sort [SOLVED] tag, it is for you to read it :P
[20:42] <melodie> I have seen the one above command in your link and also in an "askquesionsubuntu" forum thread not so long ago in fact
[21:45] <melodie> phillw may I ask you a question?
[21:46] <melodie> I mean are you still around and a little available?
[21:47] <phillw> melodie, I'm always lurking some where.. If you do get a reply, try out the contacts at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw :)
[21:48] <melodie> aha
[21:48] <phillw> *do NOT get*
[21:48] <melodie> phillw you have pointed me to the blueprint place for the one lubuntu which is about to spread out
[21:49] <phillw> I gave you the one for zram
[21:49] <melodie> for the concern I have with zram and sysctl.conf wouldn't it be more interesting to head up to the blueprint place for 14.04 ?
[21:49] <phillw> that is why there is a blueprint :)
[21:49] <melodie> I'm not yet sure about how zram and the swappiness may interfere one with the other
[21:50] <melodie> what I know for sure is that in a quite strong machine p4 dual core 2.8 Ghz and 3 GB ram it was lagging, which should not, but it was not lagging anymore a lot after reconfiguring sysctl.conf and adding the swappiness values
[21:51] <phillw> melodie, nor do I... I'm just a tester. I'd never looked at zram before the bug arose. I knew lubuntu had used a particular config file; but that was all.
[21:51] <melodie> I am not sure how I have to use this place: is that as
[21:51] <melodie> can you help me to get started with this blueprint place ?
[21:51] <melodie> do I need to use the email as in a mailing list?
[21:53] <phillw> melodie, if you head over to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/zram-config and sign on, you will see my comment and be able to update comments on the white board area.
[21:53] <melodie> I look immediatly
[21:54] <melodie> I see: "Whiteboard
[21:54] <melodie> Hello Melodie"
[21:54] <melodie> do I need to click to "Edit whiteboard" ?
[21:55] <phillw> yup ! So now add your findings using the edit :)
[21:55] <melodie> ok thank you
[21:55] <melodie> :)
[21:56] <melodie> now I'll install virtualbox in Lubuntu Saucy just installed and if I can get it, I'll install again, but with very little RAM available
[21:56] <phillw> I'm still a learner for that area. Our Head of Dev set it up so that people could make proposals for 14.04 and them not get lost in the fog of emails. One idea == one blueprint.
[21:56] <melodie> yes
[21:56] <melodie> I can understand that
[21:57] <melodie> I am thinking how I can tweak the zram setup from within a live, it's quite easy
[21:57] <melodie> I can do my changes and then from there just restart the zram-config service
[21:57] <melodie> but for the swappiness that would be another story, I have no idea if I can have it changed on the fly
[22:00] <melodie> here are the screenshots I've taken so far: http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/LubuntuSaucyTesting
[22:00] <phillw> melodie, the idea behind a whiteboard, is that things can be discussed; and wiped clean as the converstation goes. Only when completed can it become a blueprint :)
[22:01] <phillw> Rather than delete things, they just need marking as "tried this and it didn't work" etc. This stops people running the same tests over again :)
[22:03] <melodie> phillw yes, I can understand
[22:04] <melodie> now I can test, I have all the tools I need to test separately each item
[22:04] <melodie> the command line I was looking for is an echo 'value' to /proc/sys/vm/swappiness (as root)
[22:04] <phillw> melodie, excellent, I look forward to the comments on there :)
[22:05] <melodie> ^^
[22:06] <phillw> melodie, for that, you will have to ask the 'clever' people :)
[22:07] <melodie> I always ask the clever people when in need.
[22:08] <phillw> melodie, for zram... I'm not one of them! Nor am i for many other areas!
[22:13] <phillw> melodie, you can always accept it :D
[22:16] <melodie> phillw it's quite late here and I also had to solve an issue for the linuxvillage website management
[22:16] <melodie> http://linuxvillage.org
[22:17] <melodie> now I want to install lubuntu saucy to virtualbox into lubuntu saucy :D
[22:17] <melodie> for zram, once I wondered why it was still in the staging directory
[22:17] <phillw> melodie, I'm still on the hunt for a WP savvy person.
[22:17] <melodie> so I went to the compcache ml
[22:17] <melodie> phillw I'm your person
[22:17] <melodie> what do you need?
[22:17] <melodie> well if I'm not saavy enough I will tell you
[22:18] <melodie> come to #linuxvillage to talk about it?
[22:19] <phillw> melodie, http://ubuntugnome.org/ needs the page updating, but from what I read, it is a static home page that cannot be easily updated. I'm hoping you know other wise.
[22:21] <melodie> it's not a static page
[22:21] <melodie> it's not even configured as a home page, the website is configured as a blog, not as a content management with a static home page
[22:22] <melodie> you need to update the engine
[22:23] <phillw> which engine?
[22:23] <melodie> for this you do a copy of the whole content by ftp or by a cpanel if any, then a full backup of the database in a compressed / archived shape (in phpmyadmin you need to select the advanced mode to get to it)
[22:23] <melodie> the wordpress content management system
[22:23] <melodie> do I continue explaining?
[22:24] <phillw> melodie, would you /j #ubuntu-gnome it is that team who need the help.
[22:24] <melodie> then you do a full backup from within the admin board to get a xml file
[22:24] <melodie> the team is welcome at #linuxvillage
[22:24] <melodie> I'm not going to spread now
[22:24] <melodie> or you can point to hte codex and forums for them
[22:25] <phillw> okies, I'll just hope their admin for the WP gets well soon, I've done as much as I can and whilst being an admin I have no experience of WP :(
[22:26] <melodie> believe me: all it takes is backup everything, then there are mainly three files to keep : that's to say one directory and two files
[22:27] <melodie> you keep the wp-content, the .htaccess and the wp-config.php
[22:27] <melodie> once all is backed up you will remove all the rest in the remote website
[22:27] <melodie> and once done you upload the new content:
[22:27] <melodie> don't mistake, be inside the wordpress directory before starting the upload
[22:28] <melodie> because you must replace the wp-admin and the wp-includes and re-upload the other files
[22:28] <melodie> before removing you can de activate all plugins
[22:28] <melodie> you will re activate them once the job done
[22:29] <phillw> melodie, I've contacted the TL for ubuntu-gnome. That is as much as I can do.
[22:29] <melodie> there is one trick I use:
[22:29] <melodie> in the wordpress directory content which I will upload
[22:29] <melodie> I always remove the readme and in the wp-admin the install.php
[22:30] <melodie> TL ? who is TL ?
[22:30] <melodie> team leader?
[22:33] <phillw> melodie, I do not even know where the area is hosted. Remember one thing.... I'm a tester, not a dev :D darkxst  is the TL (Team Leader) and is currently AFK (Away From Keyboard)
[22:34] <melodie> phillw
[22:34] <melodie> $ ping ubuntugnome.org
[22:34] <melodie> 64 bytes from citrusnobilis.canonical.com (91.189.89.122)
[22:35] <melodie> you have part of the answer
[22:35] <melodie> now a "whois 91.189.89.122" should tell you the rest
[22:37] <phillw> melodie, if it is part of canonical.com then it is set up by the IS people, your suggestion would need a support ticket raising. So, I'll leave the answer to darkxst to follow up. All I agreed to do was to try and update http://ubuntugnome.org/ :D
[22:38] <melodie> do you have the ftp access?
[22:38] <melodie> and the access to the admin board?
[22:39] <melodie> you need both to do a good job
[22:39] <phillw> not to canonical.com :)
[22:41] <phillw> melodie, this is what I see in the AP http://imagebin.org/273534
[22:44] <melodie> ok, first go to the menu "Tools" on the left
[22:44] <melodie> and do an export
[22:45] <phillw> done
[22:45] <melodie> full export, authors pages posts..
[22:45] <melodie> ok
[22:45] <melodie> keep it aside in a special "BackupUbuntuGnome" directory
[22:45] <phillw> I selected Choose what to export
[22:45] <phillw>  All content
[22:45] <melodie> after that don't deactivate the plugins at once
[22:45] <melodie> yes, this is right
[22:45] <melodie> after that don't deactivate the plugins at once
[22:46] <melodie> but start the ftp client and login to the website by ftp
[22:46] <phillw> give me 5 mins...
[22:46] <melodie> you need to have the access to the files
[22:46] <phillw> i need a nicotine enhancement :)
[22:46] <melodie> arrrrght
[22:46] <melodie> berk, bad for your happiness!
[22:50] <phillw> melodie, start what ftp client?
[22:52] <melodie> do you have one installed? If not what about Filezilla?
[22:52] <melodie> do you have the identifiers for the connexion?
[22:53] <melodie> you need a login and a password to access with the ftp protocol
[22:53] <melodie> and the adress of the ftp of course
[22:53] <phillw> melodie, funny you should say that, just installing it. Do remember that I'm running a clean install of 13.10 on my hardware and have not yet installed all the tools that I usually have :)
[22:54] <phillw> melodie, so, login and password for the site, please?
[22:55] <melodie> how would I know?
[22:55] <melodie> this is a secret hold only by the administrator
[22:56] <phillw> makes two of us... and I doubt canonical are going to give it me!
[22:57] <melodie> ask the one who asked you to take care of the update
[22:57] <melodie> you see, you have part of the backup only
[22:57] <melodie> if you happen to update the website from within the admin board and screws it, you will have no mean to restore it
[22:58] <phillw> So, from what you say; it is not possible for any admin to update the page at http://ubuntugnome.org/ which is rather odd, as Ali managed to do it.
[22:58] <melodie> this is not an update
[22:58] <melodie> this is an edition
[22:58] <melodie> yes, you can edit
[22:58] <melodie> go to :
[22:58] <melodie> Posts
[22:58] <melodie> and look for the post you want to change
[22:59] <melodie> tell the people administrating this website that it needs to be updated!
[22:59] <melodie> the version is 3.5.2 and the latest available is 3.6.x
[23:03] <phillw> melodie, and, you, are a star! http://ubuntugnome.org/ (please proof read it! )
[23:05] <melodie> so you have been able to edit the post?
[23:07] <phillw> have a look :D
[23:07] <melodie> I have, but I had not read formerly, just looked vaguely at the page
[23:08] <melodie> what about a wordpress of your's to put the hand in it?
[23:08] <melodie> http://phillw.wordpress.com is waiting for you!
[23:10] <phillw> melodie, I have http://phillw.net/ I do not blog, and still have my legacy forum area. I've enough to keep up with everyone else!
[23:13] <melodie> http://phillw.net/isos/
[23:13] <melodie> humm
[23:17] <melodie> I have not added a new post since some time on my wordpress blog: http://meylodie.wordpress.com/
[23:58] <melodie> testing lubuntu saucy zsynced tonight in a vbox in lubuntu testing installed just before,
[23:59] <melodie> I could not even do a simple apt-get update with the vbox setup with 256 mb ram
[23:59] <melodie> it got stucked
[23:59] <melodie> I have rebooted with 386 Mb ram and now installed htop inside