[00:28] <TOM_otakux> WOO, i just think there are nobody on the IRC :)
[00:30] <johnjohn1011> i'm here but just a user.  nothing to do with ubuntu
[00:31] <TOM_otakux> yep, i am here because there are some error to ask :)
[00:31] <TOM_otakux> but the plasma-nm error has been solved now :)
[00:34] <johnjohn1011> six more days and you can go to #ubuntu and they will help you.
[00:34] <eagles0513875_> hi
[00:35] <weather15> Hello.
[00:35] <johnjohn1011> i will update 13.04 next weekend.
[00:35] <eagles0513875_> im 13.10 already :) works like a charm on my new laptop
[00:36] <weather15> I saw that according to the Ubuntu release schedule for 13.10 the release candidate should have been released yesterday. I tried browsing to cdimage.ubuntu.com, but I am only able to find beta 1 and beta 2.
[00:37] <eagles0513875_> i wonder if the found some last min issues with it
[00:37] <johnjohn1011> weather15: I think if you run the updates, you'll be at the rc level.  or download the daily
[00:37] <weather15> I found it strange, in the past usually an actua
[00:38] <weather15> l RCA is published.
[00:38] <bazhang> not always
[00:38] <weather15> I saw a blog post from earlier in the week calling for people t get ready to test when the RC was released on Thursday.
[00:39] <eagles0513875_> hey bazhang  :)
[00:39] <bazhang> blog post from what website
[00:39] <bazhang> hi
[00:39] <weather15> I took a look at the known issues list yesterday and Idid not see anything that I think would cause a delay.
[00:40] <fudus> concentrating on touch rather than legacy probably
[00:40] <weather15> bazhang: Planet Ubuntu
[00:40] <johnjohn1011> not really a whole lot different imho but they say a lot under the hood.  click packages!!
[00:42] <fudus> the wikipedia and souncloud results appearing in dash is cute
[00:42] <weather15> Am I better off to download the daily build or beta 2?
[00:43] <fudus> chrome's global menu is broken in 13.10 though
[00:43] <TOM_otakux> the ubuntu rc did not release the iso file ?
[00:43] <TOM_otakux> i have no error with google-chrome :)
[00:44] <fudus> apparently they're keeping gtk unity7 in 14.04 too?
[00:44] <Daekdroom> fudus, nope. 14.04 is using Unity 8
[00:46] <weather15> TOM_otakux: I cannot find an RC ISO.
[00:47] <johnjohn1011> weather15: i don't think it matters if you do beta or daily, if  you do the updates.
[00:47] <fudus> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS will have Unity 7 on top of xMir, while in 14.10 we will see Unity 8 and Mir
[00:47] <TOM_otakux> so there only iso file , when the ubuntu is release?
[00:47] <fudus> another year of gnome, yay
[00:48] <johnjohn1011> i hope xmir gets fixed
[00:49] <Daekdroom> fudus, I thought the plan was 13.10 with Unity 7 and XMir, and 14.04 LTS would have Unity 8 running on Mir (and XMir for some apps)
[00:49] <fudus> xmir had problems on desktop, so everything was pushed backwards
[00:49] <johnjohn1011> i think the issue was multiple monitors
[00:49] <fudus> and performance, i've tried usc and it caused lag in window moving
[00:50] <fudus> had to go back to normal x, which worked fine
[00:50] <Daekdroom> I didn't read anything about that changing plans for 14.04, but I'm not omniscient anyway.
[00:50] <johnjohn1011> hopefully 14.04 is rock solid stable.
[00:51] <weather15> I just went to the daily build download page. There is a note: "Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 703MiB CD."
[00:51] <Daekdroom> weather15, use a DVD or a 1GiG+ thumbdrive
[00:52] <fudus> it is an old error message, cdr support was dropped in 13.04
[00:53] <weather15> Darkdroom: thannks for the tip. The current ISO comes in at 883MB.
[00:57] <weather15> I wonder if there is some sort of problem. Looking at cdimage.ubuntu.com there is only a server ISO for OMAP3 boards under the beta 2 directory.
[00:58] <Daekdroom> Beta 2 is only used now for flavours (Kubuntu etc), I think. They must have made an exception for that.
[00:59] <weather15> Is the release candidate stage only for flavours now too?
[00:59] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[01:00] <Daekdroom> Nope. Ubuntu has it too.
[01:00] <weather15> Yesterday was the scheduled date for RC, I cannot find an ISO image on cdimage.ubuntu.com currently.
[01:00] <trism> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds
[01:01] <trism> see: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2013/10/testers-assemble-final-rc-testing-is.html
[01:03] <weather15> That's odd the ISO is in the daily-live directory.
[01:04] <trism> not really, they always come from there, they just used to be copied elsewhere when they made the announcment which no longer happens
[01:04] <weather15> That the QA site links to.
[01:05] <weather15> Makes it a little confusing now.
[01:06] <weather15> Will now download and test.
[01:06] <weather15> Less than a week till release day now.
[01:06] <Daekdroom> weather15, they might move it to the RC directory only after they're done testing
[01:06] <weather15> That would make sense.
[07:01] <snadge> whomever fixed the ctrl-alt-t shortcut in gnome flashback.. i love you
[07:01] <snadge> that is all
[07:22] <Sander^lap> I have the newest kernel installed with dpkg -i.. I think it makes ubuntu raring display an error message. How do I remove it? and which kernel should I be using then?
[07:23] <Sander^lap> Sorry.. I mean. Which kernel does raring use?
[07:24] <Sander^lap> Just so I dont remove the wrong kernel.
[07:24] <alankila> Try something like apt-cache show linux-image
[07:25] <Sander^lap> version 3.11.0.12.13
[07:26] <alankila> well ... okay, that's not what I expected.
[07:26] <alankila> Did you actually install it by apt? I thought dpkg -i is separate from apt database.
[07:26] <Sander^lap> Yes. I did it with dpkg -i
[07:26] <alankila> how about apt-cache policy linux-image
[07:26] <Sander^lap> outside the repositories
[07:27] <cebor> my "show desktop icon" gets not sorted in the dash, is this an known bug and does a workaround exist?
[07:28] <Sander^lap> alankila, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6225764/
[07:29] <alankila> I guess I don't understand apt. Sorry.
[07:29] <alankila> anyway, try to find the previous kernel images with something like dpkg -l|grep linux-image
[07:30] <alankila> the 3.11 is clearly one you'd want to remove.
[07:30] <alankila> you probably have something like 3.2, 3.5 or 3.8 kernel also installed
[07:30] <alankila> so removing 3.11, and everything related to that, ought to fall back to the prior kernel unless you actually uninstalled that.
[07:35] <alankila> I guess this gives me a reason to try 3.12.0-rc4. Maybe a few btrfs crashes less in that kernel, 3.11 is hopeless...
[07:58] <snadge> anyone know much about the state of radeon? .. i have a southern islands chipset (HD7870)
[07:58] <snadge> running current saucy.. i can only get 1920x1080 out of my samsung monitor which natively supports 1920x1200
[07:59] <snadge> of course fglrx works.. and supports my 2nd display (a 1920x1080 tv connected via hdmi)
[07:59] <wilee-nilee> !xrandr
[08:00] <snadge> ok i think i have figured out what might be the problem.. i just turned my TV on, and its cloned
[08:01] <snadge> so perhaps that is limiting my samsung to that resolution, for that reason.. xrandr gives me a strange output also
[08:02] <snadge> http://pastebin.com/ksKQLNRq
[08:04] <snadge> wilee-nilee, if the information at the top of the page is correct and i'm reading it correctly, that means xrandr doesnt work on radeon,on anything other than  r500/r600 based chips?
[08:04] <wilee-nilee> Not sure I just thought in general xrandr would be a place to start.
[08:05] <snadge> yeah .. that output doesnt look healthy though.. it should say.. DVI, HDMI etc
[08:05] <snadge> not.. a strange gamma error and a very basic Screen 0 with only one resolution
[08:05] <wilee-nilee> you can try xrandr -s 1920x1200 and see if it works it will not stay of not, you have to save it
[08:06] <snadge> not found in available modes
[08:06] <wilee-nilee> I figured as such
[08:06] <snadge> if i disconnect the hdmi to the tv.. it would probably work
[08:06] <snadge> is my guess.. but then i cannot output to tv of course
[08:06] <wilee-nilee> what are you using to output to the tv?
[08:07] <snadge> hdmi
[08:07] <snadge> and dvi to 1920x1200 samsung monitor
[08:08] <snadge> it works with fglrx.. barely.. but i can at least configure, clone, seperate display.. select which is primary etc
[08:08] <wilee-nilee> I just bought a samsung tv and have not had a great amount of luck with hdmi, at least ease of travel anyway, so I bought an active usb, all I wanted was my movies to pay anyway.
[08:10] <wilee-nilee> I had to use a usb to hdmi converter though, no hdmi port on the laptop
[08:45] <Caelum> I have a problem with the cinnamon menu, when I click restart it goes back to the DM and autologs back in
[08:45] <Caelum> I think I need to fix that before I ship this box out
[09:40] <cebor> someone here with thinkpad + dock running saucy
[09:42] <cebor> i use internal lcd + external lcd: when i close lid and reopen it, internal lcd does not get reactivated.
[10:10] <Caelum> lol this channel is useless
[10:27] <BluesKaj_> Hi folks
[11:13] <kaddi> hi guys :)
[11:13] <penguin42> hey
[11:14] <kaddi> I bought a samsung laptop this week and, of course, I want to install ubuntu on it. Now the question is, how stable is saucy already?
[11:14] <penguin42> seems pretty good at the moment
[11:14] <kaddi> I'm not sure I wanna install 13.04 now and upgrade in 2 weeks, especially since this is a haswell processor and all
[11:14] <kaddi> well that's nice to hear :)
[11:15] <kaddi> do you happen to know what resolution it'll work with? I guess it depends on the flavour I pick? Was trying the kubuntu 13.04 live cd yesterday and the laptop has a 3200x1800 resolution and kde couldn't really handle it >.>
[11:16] <penguin42> I'd expect it to cope - I'm running it at 2x1920x1080 so that's not much more
[11:16] <alankila> linux desktops to my knowledge do not currently have a proper scalable graphics support, but something manageable can probably be configured in any case.
[11:16] <penguin42> kaddi: But what do you mean by 'couldn't really handle it' - in what way?
[11:16] <kaddi> well it was set to maximum resolution and I couldn't change the resolution... then the taskbar at the bottom was minimal, I could barely see it
[11:17] <alankila> kaddi: the answer is, you go to the various configuration utilities and start to scale up texts and dimensions.
[11:17] <kaddi> in the start menu, obviously someone had scaled the text size, but not the window size, so I could only see one entry of the start menu at a time and had to scroll through it to find the entry i want it
[11:17] <alankila> it'll probably never quite work 100 % right in all applications, but it should be possible to make it work well enough
[11:17] <penguin42> kaddi: OK, my experience with KDE is you can change pretty much everything if you find the right knob
[11:18]  * alankila wonders if messing around with pixel dimensions will soon be a thing of the past, or if they just redefine pixel to mean "pixel as it would appear on 96 dpi display". Madness.
[11:18] <kaddi> yeah, my main concern is really that I couldn't change the resolution.. 3200x1800 is nice and all, but I'm more comfy with a lower resolution.. especially when I have to give talks and such, i need to be able to change the resolution to whatever the beamer can support
[11:19] <penguin42> kaddi: OK, go back a step - is that on a single monitor or across multiple displays?
[11:19] <kaddi> it's a single monitor
[11:19] <penguin42> wow, nice monitor :-)
[11:20] <penguin42> kaddi: OK, so my problem is I can't remember if KDEs new screen GUI came in on 13.04 or 13.10
[11:20] <kaddi> yeah, it's a nice machine. :)
[11:20] <penguin42> kaddi: On 13.10 if you bring up system settings-display configuration, and then click on the white icon with the arrows it brings up a list of display res
[11:20] <kaddi> is there anything unique to it? I'm running kubuntu 13.04 on my old laptop :p So I can check if it's present there
[11:20] <penguin42> kaddi: What monitor?
[11:21] <kaddi> penguin42, it's a samsung ativ 9 plus, it's a laptop, so I'm not quite sure how to answer your question. It's also a touch screen
[11:21] <penguin42> kaddi: Yeh thing is I can't remember when the new KDE screen setting stuff went in, if you click on display configuration and get a graphic of a monitor with 3 icons at the bottom (circle arrow/star/white blob) then it's the new one
[11:21] <penguin42> kaddi: If you get a thing with a lot of drop downs it's the old one
[11:21] <kaddi> penguin42, i was in the settings display configuration and the only resolutino in the list was 3200x1800
[11:22] <penguin42> kaddi: OK, I'd go with 13.10 and see what happens - and anyway you're in +1 so I would say that!
[11:22] <penguin42> kaddi: But then I'd check the output of the xrandr command
[11:22] <kaddi> haha ok
[11:22] <kaddi> in any case, if i understood correctly i should go 13.10 for the haswell processor alone..
[11:24] <penguin42> generally best to use the latest with bleeding edge processor
[11:24] <kaddi> yeah
[11:24] <kaddi> and it looks like the kde gui was already in 13.04
[11:24] <kaddi> i'll make a new bootable usb with 13.10 then :)
[11:25] <penguin42> kaddi: Does the touchscreen work out of curiosity?
[11:25] <kaddi> it worked
[11:25] <kaddi> i didn't do much testing, but just some touching and moving
[11:25] <penguin42> kaddi: Did you try KDE in tablet mode?
[11:25] <kaddi> i was quite surprised.. didn't expect it to work
[11:25] <penguin42> nod
[11:25] <kaddi> no
[11:26] <penguin42> kaddi: What do the text console look like on that display?
[11:27]  * penguin42 thinks of a 400column terminal....
[11:27] <kaddi> uhm, i don't remember.. I was only booting it up for a few minutes
[11:27] <kaddi> mostly to see if booting ubuntu would brick the MB :p
[11:27] <kaddi> (spoiler: it didn't ;))
[11:29] <penguin42> haha yeh I think that was fixed a few revs ago
[11:30] <kaddi> welll.... technically it's samsung's things to fi
[11:30] <kaddi> x
[11:34] <kaddi> has the release candidate been out yet?
[11:38] <kaddi> i can only find the beta2 download :s
[11:43] <alankila> the beta2 is probably fine, just do the 100 MB update of new stuff after you have it installed... or during the install, as it may be
[11:43] <kaddi> ok
[11:47] <alankila> I've been running this before beta1 and I think it's worked well, so I'm hoping the experience will be good for you too
[11:48] <kaddi> i;m downloading atm :)
[11:48] <kaddi> 15 more minutes to go
[11:48] <alankila> the only problem is with btrfs, there's something mighty wrong with the way btrfs receive works, and balance seems to be able to segfault, and ...
[11:49] <alankila> well, it's kind of experimental but 3.11 is not a good kernel for btrfs
[11:49] <kaddi> yeah, i'm gonna go with ext4 :p
[11:50] <alankila> They really need to get this thing debugged. Nobody should use ext4 in non-critical use cases after this thing is reliable enough.
[11:50] <kaddi> lol
[11:51] <kaddi> so ubuntu is moving from ext4 to btrfs?
[11:51] <alankila> Probably everyone is ... Or should.
[11:51] <kaddi> i haven't really been following development lately. >.> i've just used it :p
[11:51] <BluesKaj_> I don't understand the fascination with btrfs, there seems to be a laundry list of problems with it
[11:51] <kaddi> but wasn't it the same with ext4?
[11:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj_: If it can ever be got to work stabily, it's features are pretty neat
[11:51] <penguin42> kaddi: Not really, less of a big change
[11:52] <alankila> atomic snapshots. send/receive based backups. Compression and data deduplication.
[11:52] <penguin42> BluesKaj_: you remove the need to have a separate LVM layer in a lot of cases, and you can do really need snapshot stuff
[11:53] <alankila> I personally use btrfs for the backups capability. Every hour, I snapshot my live filesystems and send the difference from previous hour's backup to the backup server
[11:53] <penguin42> and snapshotting at the filesystem layer is much neater/safer than doing it at the block level in principal
[11:53] <alankila> a minute or so later, it's done, and I rotate the server's backup.
[11:53] <kaddi> so is btrfs gonna be fixed before saucy is released? or is it more of a future plan :p
[11:53] <alankila> it has a "stable (= working) feature set".
[11:54] <alankila> but I'm not sure if what I'm doing belongs to it
[11:54]  * penguin42 has a machine running openSUSE that uses it, and it seems to hold together well - but haven't pushed it hard
[11:54] <alankila> my problem is a memory leak. When it happens, the server loses gigabytes of memory per my backup run, and soon swaps itself to death
[11:54] <alankila> there's been no data loss
[11:55] <penguin42> alankila: Nasty
[11:55] <alankila> yeh there's been a lot of memory leak related fixes in 3.12... But I was able to reproduce my issue with 3.12-rc4
[11:56] <alankila> I'm suspecting it might have something to do with compression. I am currently experimenting without compression and it would seem like that might have corrected the problem
[11:56] <alankila> but in honesty it's too early to tell.
[11:56] <alankila> If it hangs together a few days without crashing, then I'm pretty sure that fixed it
[11:56] <alankila> or well, worked around it
[11:58] <alankila> also this stupid ubuntu kernel defaults to deadline i/o scheduler. It's got a really poor behavior when doing i/o heavy tasks. Starvation of readers is commonplace, "ls" can take forever...
[11:58] <alankila> well, not forever, but waiting for 30 seconds to get ls on a dir with a few files is just not reasonable
[11:59] <alankila> Should probably try to contribute to that bug about whether default is cfq or deadline, it's been going on for at least 4 years
[12:02] <kaddi> lol, mebbe i should stick to proven and safe installs... Just started by downloading the wrong iso XD
[12:27] <andry> hi, found an error in the gdm init script, is this known?
[12:28] <andry> ..ubuntu gnome
[12:28] <ranma42_> I noticed a weird behavior of combining diacritics (in particular, it looks like gedit and libreoffice are not consistent in drawing them). is this the right place to ask for help in investigating which one is wrong and why?
[12:29] <cgtdk> andry: I'm not sure that Ubuntu Gnome is supported in this channel
[12:29] <andry> thought so :)
[12:29] <andry> sorry
[12:29] <andry> googling for the bug tracker
[12:30] <cgtdk> andry: #ubuntu-gnome
[12:34] <ranma42_> apparently libreoffice does not show combining diacritics in some fonts (my guess is that it only shows them in fonts which define those glyphs explicitly), while gedit always shows them, but sometimes it combines them to the left, sometimes to the right
[12:45] <penguin42> ranma42_: Apparently as in there's already a bug open for it or apparently as you're hitting this problem?
[12:47] <ranma42_> I'm hitting it. I did not manage to find this bug (I found some other bugs with libreoffice+combining diacritics, so I might have missed it)
[12:51] <ranma42_> using liberation as font, I get no diacritics in libreoffice and diacritics shown on the character following the diacritic in gedit; using ubuntu mono as font, I get the diacritics as expected both in libreoffice in gedit
[12:55] <ranma42_> I found this because liberation is the default font in libreoffice, while "Ubuntu Mono" is the default one in gedit. there seem to be quite a lot of fonts showing one or the other behavior
[12:55] <penguin42> I'll be honest I don't know how any of the diacritic stuff works
[12:55] <penguin42> ranma42_: Perhaps try asking on the libreoffice channels?
[12:56] <ranma42_> and for the wrong position in gedit? shall I ask in harfbuzz?
[12:56] <penguin42> is it just gedit or other gnome apps?
[12:59] <ranma42_> the terminal seems to be ok
[13:02] <ranma42_> oops, no sorry, I was wrong. gnome-terminal has exactly the same problem as gedit (I forgot to switch the font)
[13:24] <charpandnl> hi there :)
[13:24] <charpandnl> how can I, running 13.10, downgrade php to 5.4?
[13:24] <penguin42> ranma42_: Right, so I'd ask in one of the general Gnome places, or maybe Pango (does it still do internationalisation stuff?)
[13:35] <BluesKaj_> kl
[14:59] <c_korn> hello, how can I run songbird (precompiled i386 executable) on amd64 in ubuntu 13.10? there is not ia32-libs package any longer. and trying to run songbird-bin from terminal gives the confusing error: bash: ./songbird-bin: No such file or directory
[15:00] <c_korn> file recognizes the exe as following: ./songbird-bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped
[15:02] <Daekdroom> c_korn, ia32-libs is still available for me.
[15:03] <c_korn> Daekdroom: huh? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+publishinghistory deleted in saucy: obsolete transitional package
[15:06] <Daekdroom> Hm. That is correct. I still have it installed only because I have a package that - still - requires it.
[15:15] <c_korn> yeah, this is also my problem. songbird needs it.
[15:25] <c_korn> ok, seems I first have to add i386 support at all: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[15:31] <eagles0513875_> has anyone else gotten flash working in firefox with gnash or something else
[15:31] <eagles0513875_> i dunno if the browser is the issue or the flash plugin itself
[15:35] <bekks> eagles0513875_: Someone did, I bet. But whats your specific issue?
[15:35] <eagles0513875_> bekks: facebook games are not picking up that i have gnash installed
[15:35] <eagles0513875_> and even with the proprietary flash it still seems to not find it in firefox
[15:35] <eagles0513875_> was just about to try chromium
[15:35] <bekks> eagles0513875_: Thats correct. gnash does not support things requiring modern flash versions.
[15:36] <bekks> eagles0513875_: Use Chrome and PepperFlash.
[15:36] <eagles0513875_> thanks will try that bekks  :)
[15:37] <eagles0513875_> bekks:  chromium is working with the proprietary flash
[15:37] <bekks> Thats why I said: use Chrome and PepperFlash.
[15:38] <bekks> The proprietary flash on Linux is outdated.
[15:40] <eagles0513875_> ahhh
[15:41] <eagles0513875_> is there pepperflash for firefox
[15:41] <eagles0513875_> bekks: is it an extension
[15:41] <bekks> eagles0513875_: No there isnt.
[15:42] <bekks> PepperFlash is for the PepperAPI in google chrome.
[15:43] <eagles0513875_> im not finding it in chromium
[15:43] <eagles0513875_> ahh could it be that im using chromium and not chrome
[15:43] <eagles0513875_> or in a way are they the same
[15:45] <bekks> eagles0513875_: They are not the same.
[15:46] <bekks> eagles0513875_: Use chrome, not chromium.
[15:49] <eagles0513875_> whats the difference
[15:54] <bekks> chrome supports PepperFlash, chromium dont.
[16:00] <eagles0513875_> ahh ok
[16:02] <maxb> Well, ish.
[16:02] <maxb> Chromium does support Pepper, it just doesn't ship with PepperFlash
[16:03] <bekks> Thats what I said.
[16:04] <maxb> You said that Chromium does not support PepperFlash
[16:04] <bekks> I know. And thats true. I did not say chromium doesnt support the PepperAPI.
[16:04] <maxb> That's not entirely true, if you ppint Chromium at a copy of PepperFlash, it works
[16:05] <maxb> *point
[16:52] <kaddi> heya, anyone here from the group I was talking to this morning about screen resolution and fontsize?
[16:52] <kaddi> http://imagebin.org/273510
[16:53] <kaddi> i've made an upload here. On the left, is the control panel showing that there's only one elective resolution. In the middle is quassel as it opens by default. Note the font size is actually good, but the window proportions are quite off.. Finally, since the question was asked, on the right you have the terminal as it opened per default :)
[16:56] <penguin42> kaddi: Hey
[16:56] <kaddi> heya :)
[16:56] <penguin42> kaddi: OK, what does xrandr say,   also what graphics driver are you using?
[16:56] <kaddi> but it runs. ;) It runs just fine.. talking to you from saucy now :)
[16:57] <penguin42> great!
[16:57] <kaddi> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[16:57] <kaddi> Screen 0: minimum 3200 x 1800, current 3200 x 1800, maximum 3200 x 1800
[16:57] <kaddi> default connected primary 3200x1800+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[16:57] <kaddi>    3200x1800       0.0*
[16:57] <penguin42> kaddi: xrandr for me looks something like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6227530/
[16:57] <kaddi> how do i check the graphics driver again
[16:58] <penguin42> kaddi: probably the best way is if you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:58] <kaddi> ok
[16:59] <penguin42> I thought even the Nvidia drivers did xrandr these days
[17:00] <kaddi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6227541/
[17:00] <kaddi> here you go
[17:00]  * penguin42 reads
[17:00] <kaddi> i have no dedicated graphic card in it, it's intel hd4000
[17:02] <penguin42> hmm
[17:03] <kaddi> i have to boot with nomodeset still, btw.. not sure if that makes a difference
[17:03] <kaddi> if I don't do that i get a completely grey screen
[17:03] <penguin42> kaddi: OK, so I'm a bit surprised it does list some other modes and says it can't use them - not quite sure wise
[17:03] <penguin42> kaddi: You could try #ubuntu-x - but I'd file bugs on both that and the fact you need nomodeset
[17:04] <kaddi> ok
[17:04] <kaddi> it's not version specific.. i was having the same issues with 13.04
[17:05] <kaddi> so it's not a regression, is what I'm saying, I guess :p
[17:05] <penguin42> kaddi: KDE's GUI just passes on stuff directly from xrandr, so it's not KDEs fault
[17:05] <penguin42> heck I want that display....
[17:05] <kaddi> samsung ativ 9 ;)
[17:05] <penguin42> kaddi: Only some of the models, I've already looked for it :-)
[17:05] <kaddi> i'm still trying to get someone from samsung to commit to saying that if it gets borked they'll replace it :p
[17:06] <penguin42> kaddi: Better not bork it then!
[17:06] <kaddi> cause otherwise I will have wasted a whole LOT of money!
[17:06] <kaddi> well it's the UEFI-bug... I'm scared.
[17:06] <kaddi> but since I can run ubuntu fine from live-cd, i'm gonna guess it's gonna install fine as well ;)
[17:07] <penguin42> kaddi: That was a pretty specific bug, and it only happened if booted in UEFI mode
[17:07] <penguin42> kaddi: One thing you might try doing as far as your screen res, is trying to use xrandr to manually add some more mode lines
[17:08] <kaddi> penguin42: i'd like a dual boot windows8 - ubuntu, so i would be wanting to keep the uefi mode
[17:08] <kaddi> i've never done that before, do you know the commands of the top of your head or should i go read man? :p
[17:08] <penguin42> I don't know the uefi magic
[17:09] <penguin42> kaddi: IMHO on the machines that had the bricking problem it only happened if you went into the bios and explicitly enabled uefi mode, and it was already dead having booted it off the thumb image; it wasn't the installation that did it
[17:09] <penguin42> kaddi: so IMHO if it still works you're *probably* ok!
[17:10] <kaddi> there's been a work-around in the linux kernel for half a year.. i would just like samsung to step up and fix the sh** on their end too :p
[17:11] <penguin42> kaddi: As I say, I think if your laptop is in uefi mode and you've survived a reboot then I think they already have
[17:11] <penguin42> kaddi: However, if you find yourself with an ultra hd brick, please send the panel to ....
[17:11] <kaddi> hahaha, i'll keep that in mind :)
[17:13] <penguin42> now, when do they get 24" monitors with that res
[17:14] <kaddi> that'd be insane o.o
[17:15] <kaddi> but it's surely coming :p
[17:15] <penguin42> kaddi: Why insane? I'd go for the same number of pixels but being larger I could actually use them!
[17:16] <kaddi> ah, ok.. i thought you meant the same pixel density but on 24"
[17:17] <penguin42> no, I'm happy to just go with the same number of pixels
[17:17] <kaddi> my previous laptop did a maximum of 1024x768 :p
[17:17] <kaddi> you can imagine the difference to now :D
[17:17] <penguin42> haha yes
[17:18] <penguin42> kaddi: It might be interesting to chat to the guys in #kde about issues you see - certainly please report anything to their bugzilla about stuff that doesn't work right on a screen like that
[17:18] <kaddi> and in wait i pretty much did the opposite, went from plus 3kgs to something around 1kg
[17:18] <kaddi> that's even more confusing
[17:19] <kaddi> first few times I picked the laptop up, I was almost throwing it, because I was expecting the thing to be thrice as happy
[17:19] <kaddi> i've posted in ubuntu-x for some help... I'm afraid if I make the bug report as it is, it's prolly not gonna contain a lot of the info they need.. Waiting for their feedback before reporting it
[17:19] <kaddi> i'll drop by kde as well
[17:20] <kaddi> though is this kde or kubuntu?
[17:20] <penguin42> kaddi: Generally kde, only report kubuntu stuff if it's about ubuntu packaging or settings
[17:20] <kaddi> ok
[17:24] <zeep> anyone know a good weather applet that works with  13.10?
[17:25] <penguin42> only knows the KDE applet YAWP which is great
[17:25] <zeep> same here heh
[17:25] <zeep> i miss it with unity
[17:40] <wilee-nilee> zeep, You might try a aconky
[17:40] <wilee-nilee> conky*
[17:41] <zeep> hm that's not a idea
[17:41] <zeep> thanks
[17:42] <wilee-nilee> hmm yes it is lol.
[17:45] <elfy> :)
[17:50] <wilee-nilee> what up elfy
[17:50] <elfy> hi wilee-nilee - all good here - you too I trust :)
[17:51] <wilee-nilee> excellent. ;)
[17:52] <elfy> always good to hear :)
[19:52] <penguin42> anyone else running saucy in a kvm guest?
[19:53] <penguin42> (and wth has it just done the DKMS build of nvidia modules on my ATI machine)
[19:53] <ikonia> why are you using nvidia modules if you are running in kvm ?
[19:54] <penguin42> that's the host that's got the nvidia stuff
[19:54] <penguin42> and I'm not using it!
[19:54] <ikonia> ahh I see, so the guest shouldn't be doing it, but it is
[19:56] <penguin42> no no, 2 separate questions
[19:56] <penguin42> (host: built nvidia modules but shouldn't be using it) (guest: hanging at reboot)
[19:57] <ikonia> are the nvidia packages installed by default on the host ? that seems odd if so
[19:57] <penguin42> ikonia: Well I seem to have nvidia-319-updates installed and nvidia-common, but I don't know why
[19:58] <ikonia> that seems very odd
[19:58] <penguin42> nod
[19:59] <ikonia> can't be healthy either to load the wrong modules
[19:59] <penguin42> doesn't seem to have loaded it
[20:00] <penguin42> oh, right - if I try and remove nvidia-319-updates it removes libopencv-dev that seems unreasonable
[20:00] <penguin42> is this because it's got some CUDA stuff added?
[20:02]  * penguin42 doesn't understand this - it doesn't show up as having any rdepends on vidia-319-updates
[20:03] <penguin42> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6228181/
[20:04] <ikonia> penguin42: seems stupid
[20:05] <penguin42> agreed - but I don't even know what to report it against
[20:05] <ikonia> I see your point
[20:06] <penguin42> ah
[20:06] <penguin42> if I try a dpkg --purge on nvida-319-updates I get   libopencv-ocl2.4 depends on libopencl1; however:    Package libopencl1 is not installed.   Package nvidia-319-updates which provides libopencl1 is to be removed.
[20:07]  * penguin42 installs ocl-icd-libopencl1
[20:08] <penguin42> that's better
[20:09] <penguin42> I'd have expected it to install that when I removed the nvidia one since it also provides that
[20:44] <zeep> tab should switch between the apps in dash and arrow keys for categories
[20:44] <zeep> is there a way to change it? can't find it in keyboard shortcuts
[22:04] <user82_> hi. is it correct that the daily builds are now release candidates and should equal the final builds, if nothing unexpected comes along?
[22:31] <penguin42> has anyone else done an install from CD recently - do you get any wallpaper on the login screen?
[22:35] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: I just tested latest livecd and it worked
[22:35] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Hmm I just tested the latest livecd and it didn't!
[22:39] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: I get a kind of grid pattern instead of any pretty backdrop
[22:39] <FernandoMiguel> can't tell
[22:39] <FernandoMiguel> didn't test it much
[22:40] <FernandoMiguel> was just trying to install it OVER a 12.04.3 install
[22:40] <FernandoMiguel> and it failed
[22:41] <penguin42> oh, it's installed apparently ok for me (I was installing it over an old saucy install)
[22:42] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: I was trying to do it the hardER way
[22:42] <FernandoMiguel> using grub-grml and booting from ISO from GRUB
[22:42] <penguin42> you mean manual ?
[22:42] <FernandoMiguel> ofc the installer pegged with the mounted disk
[22:43] <penguin42> pegged?
[22:43] <FernandoMiguel> stuck
[22:43] <FernandoMiguel> twice
[22:45] <penguin42> hmm
[23:04] <snadge> is there a channel for mir development?
[23:04] <snadge> i've obviously already tried #mir ;)
[23:05] <trism> snadge: there is an #ubuntu-mir
[23:59] <AlecTaylor> hi