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[17:13] <kaddi> hi guys, I was referred here, because I have a tiny problem with my new laptop. It has a very high resolution (3200x1800) and it seems xorg can't quite cope with it. http://imagebin.org/273510 This is my desktop, on the top there's the display config, and it will only allow me to choose the maximum resolution, there is no other option. In the middle you can see quassel and there's a problem because the fonts scale according to the resolution, but not 
[17:13] <kaddi> the space in which the fonts are written. I was asking for help in ubuntu and they referred me here.  
[17:14] <kaddi> my xorg.log was posted here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6227541/
[17:14] <kaddi> and I can only get a screen at all, if I enable nomodeset during boot, otherwise I get a completely grey screen
[17:16] <kaddi> i was advised to either post here for a comment from you guys or to file both the nomodeset and the lack of multiple resolutions as bugs. Which I will do, if you think it's worth it
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[18:01] <bjsnider> kaddi, does this kde software scale window parts based on resolution? is this a real feature?
[18:02] <kaddi> bjsnider: i'm not sure.. i posted also in kde about this, but am still waiting for a reply ;)
[18:02] <bjsnider> yeah i think that's really the issue
[18:02] <kaddi> i would be happy if i could scale down the resolution a little for now. :p
[18:02] <bjsnider> and i don't think you're going to like the answer
[18:02] <kaddi> which is?
[18:03] <bjsnider> why not scale down the fonts?
[18:03] <bjsnider> i think they're going to tell you that window parts are not supposed to scale up, but i hope that i'm wrong
[18:04] <kaddi> at that resolution if I scale down the font to fit in the window parts, I probably won't be able to read the font anymore
[18:05] <bjsnider> it looks like the window border is the biggest problem
[18:05] <kaddi> bjsnider: the weird part is that certain areas do scale, wile other's don't. Eg the menu-bar is perfectly scaled, but the title bar not
[18:05] <kaddi> yeah
[18:05] <bjsnider> i'm 100% sure this is a kde issue
[18:05] <bjsnider> does unity or gnome-shell work better?
[18:06] <kaddi> haven't tried yet
[18:06] <kaddi> if the resolution can't be changed there either, is there anything i can do?
[18:06] <bjsnider> i think gnome-shell would work because of all the whitespace in the cantarell font
[18:07] <bjsnider> this was always going to be a problem as time progressed and people started getting these high-res monitors
[18:07] <bjsnider> what's the dot pitch on your fonts?
[18:07] <kaddi> eh, how do I check that?
[18:07] <bjsnider> must be a lot higher than 96
[18:10] <bjsnider> what are the physical dimensions of the monitor?
[18:12] <kaddi> it's a 13.3" screen. I can give you the actual dimension in a second
[18:14] <bjsnider> needs to be measured, just the screen area
[18:15] <kaddi> 16.5cm high, 29,4cm wide
[18:15] <bjsnider> in inches
[18:16] <kaddi> 6.5 inches times 11.6 inches
[18:17] <bjsnider> 276 dpi
[18:17] <bjsnider> so, typical monitors until recently had a dpi of 96
[18:17] <bjsnider> paper is considered to be about 300
[18:17] <bjsnider> so you're almost at that level
[18:17] <kaddi> :)
[18:17] <bjsnider> you shouldn't need much antialiasing or subpixel smoothing
[18:18] <bjsnider> you're way above the level of hdtv as well
[18:19] <bjsnider> that's why some parts of windows are so small, they're programmed for 96
[18:19] <kaddi> yeah, i woudln't mind to lower resolution to hdtv if it makes the problems  go away
[18:19] <bjsnider> to circle back around to the original point
[18:19] <kaddi> haha, yeah
[18:19] <bjsnider> it wouldn't
[18:19] <bjsnider> it would make everything blurry
[18:20] <kaddi> oh well.. that's not what I'm going for >.>
[18:20] <bjsnider> unless this is a crt, which it isn't, you have to drive it up to native or everything will be blurry
[18:20] <bjsnider> i'd like to know what the kde guys have to say about this if you want to update me
[18:20] <kaddi> i will... as soon as they asnwer :p
[18:21] <kaddi> i don't think there's anyone there atm
[18:21] <bjsnider> btw, the calculation, just for transparency, is resolution / physical dimension in inches
[18:21] <bjsnider> so 3200 / 11.6 and so forth
[18:21] <kaddi> ok, thanks :) good to know :)
[18:23] <kaddi> i've been playing with font sizes and it's looking much better now, but there are still issues ;p
[18:26] <bjsnider> try turning off smoothing and hinting and see how the fonts look
[18:26] <bjsnider> i don't know how to do that in kde btw
[18:26] <kaddi> if I suddenly disappear it's the lightning we have atm
[18:29] <kaddi> looks good, but it doesn't help with the menu dimensions :p
[18:30] <kaddi> forcing the dpi of fonts to 96 makes things look fuzzy
[18:31] <bjsnider> yeah because it doesn't match the monitor's native dpi
[18:31] <bjsnider> toldja so
[18:31] <bjsnider> what about a different theme
[18:35] <kaddi> kde is saying that it's not an issue because it's configurable
[18:42] <kaddi> and they're suggesting to reduce the resolution, which I can't :p 
[18:56] <kaddi> but with their help i've been able to resize almost everything
[18:56] <JanC> bjsnider: "typical monitors until recently had a dpi of 96" is somewhat misleading; 10-15 years ago, it was typically higher for CRT monitors (something around 120dpi wasn't uncommon), but it got lowered again when LCD monitors came into fashion...
[19:01] <kaddi> thanks for the tips cya all later :)
[20:34] <bjsnider> kde shouldn't be telling people to drive their monitors below the native resolution