[00:50] <debfan> firefox is already running, but is not responding....  how do i I fix this?
[00:52] <debfan> I use top to see which process (PID) is assigned to firefox... then use the kill command ...but, then firefox process shows up still
[00:55] <cesar_k_1310> boa noite a todos!
[01:21] <Guest37394> dues dudes dudes
[01:22] <Guest37394> Who knows how to install Kde Connect? :(
[01:26] <Addle> Guest37394: http://larsemil.se/small-howto-on-kde-connect-and-ubuntu/
[01:27] <Addle> Guest37394: There's a version in the Saucy repos, but that one is a bit old, so the git version is probably the way to go right now.
[01:29] <Guest98511> Addle: i've tried but I get errors... Is the first time I try to install something this way
[01:30] <Addle> Guest98511: Ah, I see. I haven't tried to compile it myself, yet (still on an older version of KDE).
[01:31] <Guest98511> Addle: Thanks for answering :)
[01:31] <Addle> Guest98511: np, hope you manage to get it working. :)
[01:32] <avihay> debfan: there are more "deadly" signals you can send to firefox then kill(15), try killing it with signal 9 (term?) in top, press k, enter the pid followed by enter, then 9, then enter
[01:32] <debfan> right, right... thanks...
[01:32] <debfan> it eventually worked
[01:33] <avihay> you can also do it from kde's System monitor (ksysgurd)
[01:33] <avihay> oh, yhe, firefox does take it's time to shut down
[01:35] <debfan> yes, that's right...  doh ;)  thanks, again
[01:35] <debfan> and 'killall firefox?'
[01:35] <debfan> but, it had already worked - finally ;)
[05:53] <zabeeble> Can anyone help me with a problem with my time zone?
[05:54] <valorie> zabeeble: if you say what your problem is, you are more likely to get help
[05:55] <zabeeble> When I go to select my time zone in the system settings, only UTC shows up.
[05:55] <valorie> hmmm, I wonder if you are missing tzdata?
[05:55] <zabeeble> i did 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata'.  that didn't help
[05:56] <valorie> what did it say after you did that?
[05:57] <zabeeble> It said:
[05:57] <zabeeble> Current default time zone: 'America/New_York'
[05:57] <zabeeble> Local time is now:      Sun Oct 13 01:56:52 EDT 2013.
[05:57] <zabeeble> Universal Time is now:  Sun Oct 13 05:56:52 UTC 2013.
[05:58] <zabeeble> but my time still reads as 5:56 in the morning
[05:58] <zabeeble> on the clock, that is
[05:58] <valorie> ah, in the clock on your panel?
[05:58] <zabeeble> right
[05:58] <valorie> right-click the clock and reset the tz there
[05:59] <valorie> clock settings, not 'set date and time'
[05:59] <valorie> I've had the same problem a couple of times
[05:59] <zabeeble> that's the problem.  when i right click and chose "Adjust Date and Time", there is nothing listed but UTC
[05:59] <valorie> don't adjust date and time
[06:00] <valorie> clock settings
[06:00] <zabeeble> only UTC listed there, too.
[06:01] <zabeeble> i'm sorry for the trouble.  i'm kinda new at this.
[06:01] <valorie> in clock settings ALL the time zones are there
[06:02] <valorie> and you check which you want to display
[06:02] <zabeeble> Only UTC is listed and checked.
[06:02] <valorie> woah, which kubuntu version are you using, and which clock applet/widget?
[06:03]  * valorie uses the digital clock on Raring (13.04)
[06:04] <zabeeble> it's the digital clock.  i'm not sure how to find which version of kubuntu i'm using
[06:04] <valorie> you don't remember?
[06:05] <valorie> hmmm
[06:05] <valorie> !version
[06:05] <valorie> there ya go
[06:05] <zabeeble> ah!  thank you!
[06:06] <zabeeble> it's 13.04
[06:06] <valorie> that is just the weirdest
[06:07] <valorie> I can't imagine why all the zones aren't listed
[06:07] <zabeeble> :)  neither can i.  lol  but i appreciate your help.
[06:07] <valorie> well, I didn't help
[06:08] <zabeeble> you tried, though.  that's good enough.
[06:08] <valorie> you have tzdata, and that should be all you need
[06:08] <valorie> pfff
[06:08] <zabeeble> lol
[06:08] <Unit193> /usr/share/zoneinfo/
[06:08] <valorie> you might try installing another clock, and see if it also lacks timezones
[06:08] <valorie> if so, it's got to be a missing packages
[06:09] <valorie> Unit193: did you read up?
[06:09] <valorie> zabeeble did 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' and got a good readout
[06:10] <zabeeble> the analog clock also only lists UTC in the time zone listing
[06:10] <Unit193> Yeah, saw that.  Logged out and back in?  `date`  return something good too?  No TZ= in ~/.bashrc or environment?
[06:11]  * valorie hands the problem over to Unit193, who obviously has more indepth knowledge
[06:12] <Unit193> Bad idea, I'm about to check the dryer along with other stuff, you know KDE better too. :)
[06:13] <zabeeble> there's supposed to be a .bashrc in my home directory?
[06:14] <zabeeble> because i don't have one.
[06:14] <valorie> yes, you'll have to allow dolphin to display hidden files to see it
[06:14] <zabeeble> i did the display hidden files.  it's not there.  can i generate one?
[06:14] <valorie> all files beginning with a dot are hidden by default
[06:15] <Unit193> Default is in /etc/skel/
[06:15] <zabeeble> if i copy/paste it, will that work?
[06:17] <Unit193> Not likely to be related, default doesn't declare TZ.
[06:17] <zabeeble> gotcha.  well, i guess i'll have to get used to subtracting 5 hours off my clock.  lol
[06:19] <valorie> how about `date` in a konsole?
[06:19] <zabeeble> this is even more weird.  date has the correct time @ 2:19
[06:20] <Unit193> Does Kubuntu keep it's files in .config/kde or something?  Could move (so, backup, delete) those and re-login.
[06:20] <zabeeble> i think the only problem i have is not having a list of time zones to choose from in the clock settings
[06:23] <valorie> zabeeble: I just looked at my ~/.bashrc and saw nothing about tzdata there
[06:23] <valorie> I've edited it before, and never seen tz anything there
[06:24] <zabeeble> okay.  i renamed .kde to .kde.old.  gonna restart and see if anything happens.
[06:24] <zabeeble> peace, people.  thanks for your help.  :)
[06:27] <Unit193> valorie: Yes, as stated, more useful to set in there if you don't have root access, and the host is in UTC or something.  Syntax: TZ="America/New_York".  You can also call date prefixed with that to change the time for the one call.
[06:27] <valorie> worth a try
[06:27] <valorie> Unit193: interesting
[06:31] <valorie> one of the things I love about linux is the endless ways to solve problems
[06:31] <valorie> even tiny corner-cases
[06:34] <Unit193>  `date` is a very useful program, once you learn of the -d option, or changing timezones/output formats.   date -d "Next Tuesday 12PM"  actually works. :)
[06:37] <zabeeble> i'm back.  renaming .kde and rebooting didn't help.  :(
[07:41] <berte> hello everyone, I want to make a route to eth2 to eth0, eth0 is a lan also I will use that adapter for sharing my internet access, actually is a kind of nat network but I am not sure how can I do that
[08:00] <xxx> Hello all, I have some questions, so is there anyone willing to help?
[08:01] <ikonia> xxx: normally you have to ask a question so people know if they can help.
[08:01] <xxx> oh, ok. :)
[08:04] <xxx> So, I got a laptop with Win8 preinstalled on it. I managed to install Ubuntu 13.04 on dual boot and everything was working ok. Then I changed my and wanted to change Ubuntu with Kubuntu. So I deleted and formated all partitions with Ubuntu on it and restarted Win8. Then I started up try Kubuntu and went on manual partitioning, made partitions for Kubuntu and started installation. At th
[08:05] <xxx> At the end of the installation I got a grub error, http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=8_error.png
[08:05] <xxx> When I entered my BIOS, I found out there is a boot of for Ubuntu, even though I deleted all partitions containing Ubuntu
[08:06] <xxx> Is there a chance to remove this Ubuntu boot, as I think this might be the problem.
[08:22] <valorie> !efi | xxx
[08:23] <valorie> you are better off just installing kubuntu from a liveDVD or LiveUSB
[08:23] <ignerious> the mediubuntu project has been shutdown. What  to do????
[08:23] <valorie> rather than trying to install using wubi
[08:24] <valorie> ignerious: what do you need from mediabuntu?
[08:24] <valorie> the various packages you need are usually still available
[08:25] <ignerious> valorie: the extra packages like unsopported media codecs
[08:25] <ignerious> valorie: they are not availiable else where
[08:25] <valorie> those which still work are still hosted elsewhere
[08:25] <valorie> those which no longer work have died
[08:26] <valorie> Kubuntu is hosting some stuff, as is the VLC project
[08:26] <valorie> would be nice if the mediabuntu devels told people where to find stuff, though
[08:27] <valorie> ask for what you want, and we'll try to help you find it
[08:27] <ignerious> valorie: thanks
[08:27] <ignerious> valorie: but how can i find those packages
[08:28] <valorie> kubuntu-restricted-extras has a lot of stuff in it
[08:28] <valorie> do you run kubuntu?
[08:28] <ignerious> valorie: but not the all
[08:28] <ignerious> valorie: yeah
[08:28] <valorie> ok, what are you missing?
[08:29] <valorie> oh, there is now kubuntu-restricted-addons as well
[08:29] <ignerious> valorie: w64codecs libdvdcss2 non-free-codecs mencoder ffmpeg libavcodec-extra-53 flvtool2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread4 gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad geoclue gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad frei0r-plugins
[08:29] <valorie> check that out
[08:30] <valorie> we have all the gst plugins
[08:30] <xxx> Hm, everything seems to be in order with my preinstallation setup for Kubuntu. I am running out of options.
[08:30] <valorie> !info w64codecs
[08:30] <valorie> pff
[08:31] <xxx> The question about removing ubuntu boot option is still on.
[08:32] <valorie> xxx, I've got no more knowledge to share; I hope someone else will speak up for you
[08:32] <Guest7129> in the installer, when I choose "Guided - Use entire disk", does it create a separate /home for me?
[08:32] <xxx> ok, thanks a lot anyway. :)
[08:33] <valorie> mencoder, ffmpeg, libavcodec-extra-53 are all available
[08:35] <valorie> flvtool2, libdvdnav4, libdvdread4, geoclue, and frei0r-plugins are available as well
[08:35] <valorie> so everything on your list, ignerious
[08:36] <valorie> with the possible exception of non-free-codecs -- that's a package name I haven't seen in years
[08:42] <valorie> oh, and the w64codecs
[08:43] <valorie> http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/non-free/binary-amd64/package/w64codecs
[08:43] <valorie> you can install from the deb, though
[08:45] <valorie> see also: https://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs
[08:46] <valorie> ignerious: ^^^
[08:48] <ikonia> err no
[08:48] <ikonia> that's from debian
[08:48] <valorie> right, it's a pain to install a deb, but it can be done
[08:49] <ikonia> err no
[08:49] <ikonia> you don't do it
[08:49] <ikonia> it's just that simple
[08:49] <valorie> I can't see a need, but ignerious evidently does
[08:49] <valorie> ikonia: ?
[08:50] <ikonia> what
[08:50] <valorie> I've done it in times past
[08:50] <ikonia> so ?
[08:51] <Unit193> valorie, ignerious: Medibuntu shutdown in part because it was unmaintained, and the rest was that most of the packages in there had better replacements now, only thing that didn't is libdvdcss2, and that's in the videolan repo now.
[08:51] <valorie> yes, as I explained above
[08:52] <Unit193> Bah, didn't see, sorry.
[08:53] <valorie> our packagers are awesome, and if something is needful, usually they will find a way to make it available
[08:53] <ignerious> valorie: sorry gone for lunch
[08:53] <ignerious> valorie: :)
[08:55] <valorie> our friends at videolan are awesome as well, and I should have used that name instead of their best-known product name, VLC
[08:55] <ignerious> valorie: hmm Now i have got the answer
[08:56] <ignerious> valorie: thanks
[08:56] <valorie> my pleasure
[08:56] <ignerious> valorie, Unit193: could you please tell me all the replacement packages
[08:57] <valorie> I have a list, above
[08:58] <valorie> most everything is available as you listed it, or in the kubuntu-restricted packages I mentioned
[08:58] <valorie> the exceptions I gave you links for
[08:59] <ignerious> valorie, Unit193: great :)
[09:00] <valorie> if you still want that old w64 package, PLEASE read the debian wiki about it
[09:01] <valorie> the warnings are there; use at your own rist
[09:01] <valorie> risk
[09:01] <ignerious> valorie:hmm
[09:02] <valorie> personally, if I needed such old packages, I would be running debian
[09:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:47] <xtriz> when i will install kubuntu-desktop it will install all the default of kubuntu ?
[09:49] <lordievader> xtriz: Yes, it wil. "kubuntu-desktop - Kubuntu Plasma Desktop/Netbook system"
[09:49] <lordievader> !info kubuntu-desktop
[09:50] <xtriz> hi lordievader :)
[09:50] <lordievader> Hey xtriz
[09:53] <xtriz> installing kubuntu-full will install everything ?
[09:54] <xtriz> ok figured out :0
[09:54] <xtriz> :)
[10:32] <BluesKaj_> Hi folks
[11:48] <Letalis> i doubt that this is even possible but im going to ask the question, aside from manually adding every single entry to the application menu. is there anyway to get the links in the desktop folder to show up in it?
[11:48] <Letalis> im using lancelot
[12:44] <darsh_> Hello
[12:45] <lordievader> Hey darsh_
[12:45] <darsh_> Hi Dievade
[12:47] <darsh_> This room is very clam !!!
[12:48] <lordievader> darsh_: Usually is, and on top of that, it's a sunday.
[12:49] <darsh_> Make sure to enjoy your week end then :)
[12:49] <darsh_> I am a total newbie in the Linux world, and I wanted some sources to know more about my new OS and its KDE desktop, any suggestions?
[12:51] <lordievader> darsh_: docs.kubuntu.org :)
[12:52] <darsh_> Thanks Ievade :) will check it now !
[13:33] <ovidiu-florin_> hello world
[13:34] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[13:34] <ovidiu-florin> Just installed a fresh kubuntu 13.04
[13:35] <ovidiu-florin> and Dysplay settings presents me with a blank window
[13:35] <ovidiu-florin> no options
[13:35] <ovidiu-florin> nothing
[13:35] <ovidiu-florin> why?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin. do you mean display configuration in system settings /Display and Monitor
[13:41] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[13:41] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: ^
[13:42] <ovidiu-florin> It's a fresh installation, nothing changed, no nvidia proprietary driver installed
[13:42] <ovidiu-florin> it should be using nouveau
[13:43] <BluesKaj> have you updated /upgraded since the install?
[13:46] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin. install dkms , then run, dkms status , in the konsole
[13:50] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: will do, as soon as the updates are done
[13:52] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin. dkms status outputs will kernel driver is in use
[13:52] <BluesKaj> will=which
[14:00] <AllfatherOdhinn> Any simple way o getting netflix working under lnux?
[14:01] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: dkms status retunred nothing
[14:02] <ovidiu-florin> AllfatherOdhinn: https://www.google.ro/search?q=ubuntu+netflix&oq=ubuntu+netfl&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l2j69i64.2996j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
[14:02] <BluesKaj> then the nouveau drivers probly inuse
[14:03] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: but still why is the Display Settings not working?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin. do you desktop effects enabled ?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> have
[14:06] <xtriz> where can i find default isolinux.cfg file ?
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: it's actually working
[14:08] <ovidiu-florin> what I did:
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> use Alt + f2: display. There you get several options, the first Display Settings (blank window) and the second Display Configuration ( the new display management from KDE)
[14:09] <ovidiu-florin> the second one works
[14:11] <BluesKaj> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' , include the quotes
[14:11] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin.^
[14:12] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: kernel driver in use: i915 and nouveau
[14:12] <BluesKaj> the above command should show the graphics driver in use
[14:13] <BluesKaj> ok , then you're good , nouveau actually works very well
[14:14] <ovidiu-florin> I know
[14:14] <ovidiu-florin> there are only a few minor issues that bother my brother , but I think they are resolved now
[14:14] <ovidiu-florin> He wanted to switch to OpenSuse because of this
[14:15] <AceKing> I am having a problem copying files from my PC over to my Galaxy S4. When I try to copy a folder over, it tells me Error cannot make folder. I know I copied folders over before. I am running 13.04 64 bit if that makes a difference.
[14:15] <BluesKaj> opensusu is ok , but figuring out the sudoer entry is a pita , and i's constantly bugging for pws , very annoying
[14:17] <ovidiu-florin> AceKing: do you have write access?
[14:19] <AceKing> ovidiu-florin: How do I check that? I have the phone rooted, and I wrote a different ROM to it since the last time I copied files over
[14:20] <ovidiu-florin> AceKing: do You prefer GUI or CLI ?
[14:20] <AceKing> ovidiu-florin: GUI
[14:22] <ovidiu-florin> simplest way, try to create a new directory
[14:22] <ovidiu-florin> if you can, then you have write permissions
[14:25] <AceKing> ovidiu-florin: It wont let me create a new directory. If I right click on the device, it says read only. If I try to change it to read and write, it says Changing the attributes of files is not supported with protocol mtp.
[14:27] <ovidiu-florin> AceKing: how is the prne connected ?
[14:27] <ovidiu-florin> phone*
[14:27] <AceKing> USB
[14:41] <ovidiu-florin> AceKing: I'm not sure
[14:41] <ovidiu-florin> sorry, I don't have the time right now to google that for you
[14:44] <AceKing> ovidiu-florin: Thank you for trying. This is driving me nuts. I'll just keep playing around.
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> AceKing: you could also ask in #android
[14:45] <AceKing> ovidiu-florin: Thanks, I'll give that a shot
[15:06] <ed98567> hi quick question, I have usb hard drive, I want to format it with dd, do I need to unmount it in partition manager before dding?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> ed98567. what are you dding ?, formatting can be done with partition manager
[15:12] <ed98567> I have an old laptop which I might sell/give it away, also I have never dded so want to do it atleast once
[15:14] <BluesKaj> ok , so you want to wipe it clean , understood , yes and you need to unmount it
[15:15] <BluesKaj> ed98567. ^
[15:16] <ed98567> BluesKaj, ok thanks
[15:17] <sbivol> ed98567: you _can_ dd a disk without unmounting, but your system might crash or become unstable.
[15:19] <ed98567> sbivol, no I am using my new laptop to dd old hdd which is connected through usb
[15:20] <ed98567> ok it started now, should take too long (20GB)
[15:20] <ed98567> shouldnt
[15:20] <sbivol> ed98567: then there's nothing to worry about. otherwise, follow BluesKaj's advice :)
[15:21] <ed98567> thanks :)
[15:22] <HachDeuZoO> hello
[15:23] <BluesKaj> hi HachDeuZoO
[15:25] <HachDeuZoO> hi
[16:53] <infrid> hi
[18:02] <d550syl> hi guys
[18:02] <BluesKaj> hi d550syl
[18:03] <d550syl> so, wehre am i talking, just installed Kubintu..
[18:03] <BluesKaj> this the kubuntu support channel
[18:03] <d550syl> ok, cool...,
[18:04] <BluesKaj> is :)
[18:05] <d550syl> so, when I want to have Faststone imageviewer under
[18:05] <d550syl> Kubuntu, What should I do
[18:05] <d550syl> If im alowed to ask
[18:07] <friti> Never heard of that viewer. Did you use that in Windows before you installed Kubuntu?
[18:08] <d550syl> yes, I did, Im so used to it.. :o)
[18:08] <friti> Unfortunately, Kubuntu is not Windows, so perhaps you should get used to a different image viewer.
[18:11] <d550syl> hmm, Guess so.., Thanks anyway
[18:11] <BluesKaj> d550syl.  it will run in Wine
[18:11] <BluesKaj> !wine
[18:12] <d550syl> ok, I will check that out, Thanks for your support
[18:13] <d550syl> goto to go, thanks again and see ya
[18:14] <BluesKaj> d550syl. gwenview is very versatile and it's already installed on kubun tu by default
[18:14] <BluesKaj> bummer
[19:34] <rodnice> lordievader: Thanx again!
[19:35] <lordievader> rodnice: ? For what?
[19:36] <rodnice> lordievader: Putting me on the right research path for my audio (latency) issue
[19:36] <rodnice> lordievader: it's not fixed yet but I know what I need to do to get it there.
[19:36] <lordievader> rodnice: Ah, right now I remember. Good luck with that ;)
[19:46] <rodnice> grr... Free internet connection!
[19:46]  * rodnice shakes fist
[19:46] <rodnice> lordievader: did you get my message?
[19:47] <lordievader> rodnice: I think not, I don't think you mean the message of a bad internet connection.
[19:47] <rodnice> lol ok
[19:48] <rodnice> lordievader: Putting me on the right research path for my audio (latency) issue
[19:48] <rodnice> lordievader: it's not fixed yet but I know what I need to do to get it there.
[19:48] <lordievader> rodnice: Yes those messages I've read ;)
[19:49] <rodnice> lordievader: Oh OK, thanks man!
[19:50] <lordievader> rodnice: No problem ;)
[20:00] <rodnice> Next question: Virtualization:  I would like to run iTunes and newer versions of some Adobe Products under Win7.  How do I need to go about that?
[20:00] <rodnice> I do not want to have Win7 as the host machine
[20:00] <rodnice> sorry got disconnected :-(
[20:01] <rodnice> hope this lasts
[20:01] <Addle> VMWare Player is one way.
[20:02] <ikonia> running windows apps....in windows is how you go about doing it
[20:02] <lordievader> Virtualbox another.
[20:21] <Roey> II'm using Fx 24.0 on Kubuntu 12.10.  WHy does Firefox's memory usage only seem to grow, even if I close tabs and windows? I have to restart it every couple of days because it gets too big (judging from the RES size from "top")
[20:26] <ikonia> FX 24 ?
[20:27] <Roey> Firefox, version 24.
[20:27] <Roey> oh, sorry, I had crossposted this from #firefox.
[20:28] <ikonia> Firefox 24 isn't the version in kubuntu 12.10
[20:28] <ikonia> that's much later
[20:40] <xixor> sup hippies
[20:44] <BluesKaj> just relaxing atm , xixor
[20:45] <xixor> coo
[20:45] <xixor> a little turkey and gravy on the menu for tonight?
[20:46] <BluesKaj> yup , ..you ?
[20:46] <xixor> yep
[21:02] <Roey> ikonia:  I think Fx just updated itself to 24
[21:02] <ikonia> not sure why you keep calling it Fx
[21:02] <ikonia> !info firefox 12.10
[21:02] <ikonia> what's 12.10, maverick ?
[21:03] <ikonia> quantal
[21:03] <ikonia> !info firefox quantal
[21:03] <ikonia> wow, it is 24
[21:04] <ikonia> I thought it was much older
[21:05] <BluesKaj> where the hell did that 12.10 factoid come from ?
[21:06] <ikonia> I called it
[21:17] <Roey> ikonia:  fine, fine, not 12.10.  Er... by lsb_release -a, I'm on Quantal, 12.10
[21:17] <Roey> ikonia:  I call it Fx because that
[21:17] <Roey> that's what Firefox developers said to call it.
[21:17] <Roey> Not ff.
[21:18] <Roey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Firefox
[21:18] <Roey> bottom of the first P
[21:18] <Roey> paragraph
[23:01] <apb> Hello.  Having problems getting various apps to start.  Kate for one... amarok for another.  Just got done doing apt-get install kde-full and kubuntu-desktop...  amarok started prior to my upgrade, don't know about Kate but neither runs now.
[23:06] <dolomite> pastebin the errors from when you run it in konsole
[23:06] <apb> amarok guys helped me fix amarok by deleting the startup file.
[23:07] <apb> just kate remaining afaik
[23:07] <apb> http://pastebin.com/c3FjStEf
[23:09] <leoberson> oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii