| phillw | melodie, for the RC's we no longer use virtual machines. The push now is to check the installer on as many different pieces of hard ware as possible. | 00:04 |
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| phillw | melodie, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/TheStages | 00:05 |
| melodie | I can't test on machines with low ram because I don't have any low ram machine anymore | 00:07 |
| phillw | melodie, then test installer to death! there are several scenarios for each of our ISO's; each has a set of tests. it is the installer we are now testing; lubuntu works. | 00:11 |
| melodie | yes phillw I test the installer and add comments in a text file, and make screenshots | 00:14 |
| phillw | melodie, it needs installing onto hard disk, and then check it can re-install side-by-side etc. I have all this to look forward to on Monday when I get back home :) | 00:16 |
| melodie | and then check it can re-install side-by-side ? what does that mean? | 00:17 |
| melodie | I have installed to hard disk | 00:17 |
| melodie | all the pics of the install time are here: | 00:18 |
| melodie | http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/LubuntuSaucyTesting/lubuntu/ | 00:18 |
| melodie | I have described the machine in my posts on the mailing list today | 00:18 |
| phillw | melodie, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55588/testcases | 00:20 |
| melodie | if the swappiness is not under control (the default in the system is 60 and for vfs_cache_pressure the default is 100) then it swaps like a mad program | 00:20 |
| phillw | all of these test cases must be run | 00:20 |
| melodie | I am using a 32bits iso | 00:21 |
| melodie | for the real install I can fill only the manual partitionning | 00:21 |
| melodie | I have a Debian install and a Ubuntu Openbox install in the same hard drive | 00:21 |
| phillw | melodie, we have zram under control. you have been advised for the blueprint for 14.04 LTS. No changes will be made at this point for zram unless it were to become a critical bug that stopped the actual installation of lubuntu (or any other flavour) | 00:22 |
| melodie | for the install in vbox I'm doing, I want to bring serious clues to my previous statements regarding swappiness and zram, be it for the one coming or for the next | 00:22 |
| melodie | I test both separately because it might not be related | 00:23 |
| phillw | melodie, which part of "we are not using virtual machines" for RC have you not read :D | 00:23 |
| melodie | I have read | 00:23 |
| melodie | I just don't have many machines in which I can test | 00:23 |
| phillw | then stop using them :) | 00:23 |
| melodie | so I have installed previously in a real T30 | 00:23 |
| melodie | now I installed to a real P4 Dell | 00:24 |
| melodie | I have reported for both in the mailing list | 00:24 |
| melodie | well at least my findings | 00:24 |
| melodie | I can report to your test case for 32bits but not for 64bits because I always used 32bits iso | 00:24 |
| melodie | and I can report only about manual partitionning because I am a multibootist: I have only machines with several distros in them | 00:25 |
| melodie | <phillw> melodie, which part of "we are not using virtual machines" for RC have you not read :D // I want to find out how it behaves on low ram regarding swappiness and I can't change 1 GB on the T30 for 256MB ram or 386 MB ram because I don't have the hardware for that | 00:26 |
| melodie | I am a very small contributor, and even if I regret it, I also wish to test what I am most interested in while in the energy of testing. | 00:26 |
| phillw | melodie, create up a extended partiton and point the installer to use it. I use virtual volumes for my testing, but at this point I do use the standard partition system to install the RC onto. | 00:27 |
| melodie | on the Dell P4 I have installed to an extended partition | 00:27 |
| melodie | is that ok for you? | 00:27 |
| phillw | melodie, the issues of zram / swappiness are not important for 13.10. what is important is "does 13.10 install onto actual machines (not VM's)" | 00:28 |
| melodie | I have prepared space from 4 partitions which were primary. I have deleted the swap partition and resized the others, then moved them to the left, then did an extended, in which I redid a swap partition and the last one an ext4 for Lubuntu | 00:29 |
| melodie | I have updated and installed virtualbox : I am happy to say vbox works well in Lubuntu Saucy! | 00:29 |
| phillw | melodie, then find the best test case that you can run; and run it! | 00:30 |
| melodie | the boot loader has setup itself to allow me to boot to lubuntu, to Debian and to ubuntu openbox | 00:30 |
| melodie | yes, you pointed me to the 64bits | 00:30 |
| melodie | Testcases for Lubuntu Desktop amd64 in Saucy Daily | 00:30 |
| melodie | where is the 32bits please? | 00:30 |
| phillw | I've had 13.10 running on my hardware since alpha 1. I've now to scrub my backup partition and tell 13.10 installer to use it. | 00:32 |
| melodie | where is the 32bits test case? | 00:32 |
| phillw | melodie, the sources, and test cases are help on the tracker http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds | 00:32 |
| phillw | *held* | 00:33 |
| melodie | are help? o_o | 00:33 |
| melodie | oh ok :) | 00:33 |
| melodie | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases // Ok | 00:33 |
| phillw | Ohhh... small hairy spherical objects... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1220165 | 00:35 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1220165 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Error informing the kernel about modificatons" [High,Confirmed] | 00:35 |
| melodie | phillw here is a test case for you! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases/1302/results | 00:41 |
| melodie | hope you like it | 00:41 |
| melodie | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases/1302/results | 00:45 |
| melodie | it didn't like my first submit because I wrote "none" instead of "0" | 00:45 |
| melodie | now it's ok | 00:45 |
| melodie | phillw maybe tomorrow evening I could retry installing the final to the T30 on top of the former one | 00:47 |
| melodie | it will still be with manual partitionning, I can't afford to remove the other installs | 00:47 |
| phillw | melodie, the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1220165 is a potentially critical bug. I had a sneaky feeling it would come back and bite. Do keep an eye on it when you do the install. | 00:47 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1220165 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Error informing the kernel about modificatons" [High,Confirmed] | 00:47 |
| melodie | phillw but that's powerpc | 00:48 |
| melodie | "When installing the desktop powerpc image, the installer comes up with an error message:" | 00:49 |
| melodie | this is a hardware which is different from usual PC's | 00:49 |
| melodie | at least I never met with this so far (and I alway press escape to see the scrolling of the messages of the boot, because I want to see if there are errors or warnings) | 00:50 |
| melodie | so be it at boot time or during install I would have noticed any unusual message | 00:51 |
| phillw | melodie, they are apple machines | 00:57 |
| melodie | yes I know that | 01:01 |
| melodie | good night | 01:28 |
| Etha | hey i have a problem with changing my brightness | 03:32 |
| Etha | im running lubuntu on a samsung nc110 netbook | 03:32 |
| Etha | i have looked online and tried every solution i could find | 03:33 |
| Etha | when i press "fn + up/down" i get a brightness change indicator window that pops up | 03:33 |
| Etha | and the brightness bar graphic slides left and right, but my screen stays the same brightness | 03:34 |
| Etha | can anyone help me with this? | 03:34 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | Etha, your laptop model ? | 03:46 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | Aww sorry.. Missed that... gimme a minute | 03:46 |
| Etha | my laptop model is NC110 | 03:48 |
| Etha | its a samsung netbook :) | 03:48 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | It seems like the solution is the same which I applied for my HP... But not sure whether it will work or not. Do you see the boot menu every time you restart ? | 03:51 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | If yes, I want you to edit the Ubuntu 13.04 * by pressing "E" and replace quiet splash with acpi_backlight=vendor | 03:52 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | Etha, can you just try that and get back? | 03:52 |
| Etha | uhh yeah when I boot i see a menu with boot options | 03:52 |
| Etha | im not sure i understand what you mean by editing ubuntu 13.04 | 03:53 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | Ok... So, you click enter in the first option I believe.. Then, click E by keeping the first option selected | 03:53 |
| Etha | alright i think im in the right place | 03:55 |
| Etha | i cant see "quiet splash" though | 03:55 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | Ok.. you have the line vmlinuz ? | 03:55 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | I think it is the last line or the one before it with UUID and other details | 03:56 |
| Etha | my last line is initrd, and the one before that is | 03:56 |
| Etha | fi | 03:56 |
| Etha | linux | 03:57 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | Okay.,.. do you see something like /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-29-generic-pae root=UUID=b1834d50-6d96-4c36-9e52-05cfbeeab5c6 ro ? | 03:58 |
| Etha | no sorry, maybe i should do a reinstall first, the other sollutions ive tried might have messed some things up | 04:00 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | ah no | 04:00 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | wait... | 04:00 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | check whether http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1967074&s=dfa95e8321005aaed5ef03c8c68d2cb5&p=11882705#post11882705 helps | 04:02 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | keep the re-installing as the laast option. try available solutions in the internet | 04:03 |
| Etha | oh ive already started :/ | 04:05 |
| Etha | its no biggy, i only just installed it anyway | 04:06 |
| Etha | im dual booting win7 | 04:06 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | ok | 04:07 |
| Etha | hey it worked! | 04:14 |
| Etha | i replaced the line with the one you said | 04:14 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | nice | 04:14 |
| Etha | brightness controls work perfectly now | 04:14 |
| Etha | thanks man :3 | 04:14 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | now, you have to set it by defauly | 04:14 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | default* or else you have to edit everytime you login | 04:15 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | follow #9 in the link thAt I sent earlier | 04:16 |
| Etha | alright ill give that a go | 04:19 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | okies :] | 04:20 |
| Etha | I followed it but it doesn't seem to work | 04:33 |
| Etha | grub has been edited correctly but the brightness controls don't function | 04:34 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | Aww | 04:34 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | try to view the grub again and check whether it is reflected during boot | 04:35 |
| Etha | but it definately works when i edit the line in boot | 04:35 |
| Etha | alright | 04:35 |
| Etha | when editing grub should i replace quietsplash instead? | 04:36 |
| Etha | because the post i followed said to add acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor to annother line | 04:37 |
| Etha | leaving quietsplash alone | 04:37 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | oh... I usually remove it ;D | 04:39 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | brb | 04:39 |
| Etha | oh damn | 04:43 |
| Etha | i tried replacing quiet splash | 04:43 |
| Etha | now my keyboard doesnt work | 04:43 |
| Etha | wait, fixed it! | 04:56 |
| ianorlin | how? | 04:56 |
| Etha | just had to remove the entire quiet splash line all together | 04:56 |
| pjotr | Hello, I noticed a bug in Lubuntu Saucy: power manager isn't started automatically on my laptop. I checked the settings in lxsession-default-apps, and the command setting for power manager is wrong: it's "auto", whereas it should be "xfce4-power-manager". Is this bug known already? | 08:34 |
| Soul-Sing | auto brightness etc.? | 08:40 |
| Soul-Sing | is the 'prog'/application in the Autostart" list? | 08:42 |
| pjotr | Well, xfce4-power-manager simply doesn't run by default. Only when you launch it yourself, for example from the menu (Preferences - Power Manager), you get the battery icon in your system tray that shows the remaining power in your laptop's battery. | 08:43 |
| Unit193 | pjotr: OnlyShowIn=XFCE; of course it doesn't autostart in LXDE. | 08:44 |
| pjotr | you can add it yourself to the startup applications, by correcting the wrong entry in lxsession-default-apps. | 08:44 |
| Soul-Sing | yeah | 08:44 |
| Unit193 | /etc/xdg/autostart/xfce4-power-manager.desktop | 08:44 |
| pjotr | Unit193: thisnis clearly a bug, as we have no battery icon now by default. | 08:45 |
| pjotr | thisnis = this is | 08:46 |
| pjotr | fixing this bug is easy: simply set the right command in lxsession-default-apps..... A simple settings change, and side effects are highly unlikely. Can the devs repair this before launch? | 08:54 |
| Unit193 | Erm, what makes you think it's in there? | 08:57 |
| pjotr | Unit193: well, of course it's in /etc/xdg/autostart, but it can be tweaked by means of lxsession-default-apps. The means is immaterial to me; it's the result that counts... :-) | 09:19 |
| pjotr | Of course changing OnlyShownIn=XFCE in the desktop config file is probably the most straightforward way of fixing it.... | 09:22 |
| jarnos | I have pulseaudio running in 13.04. Is it by default? | 15:03 |
| krabador | hi, i neet to delete lxpanel | 19:55 |
| krabador | or to leave it to at startup | 19:55 |
| krabador | how can i do? | 19:55 |
| krabador | hi, i delete the line @lxterminal on /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart | 20:30 |
| krabador | but ive the lxterminal the sAME | 20:30 |
| bioterror | you did it wrong | 20:32 |
| bioterror | cd .config | 20:32 |
| bioterror | rm -rf lxpanel | 20:32 |
| bioterror | and restart your X session | 20:32 |
| bioterror | it's under your ~/ | 20:32 |
| bioterror | sorry | 20:33 |
| bioterror | lxterminal :D | 20:33 |
| bioterror | I read lxpanel | 20:33 |
| bioterror | as you mentioned first | 20:33 |
| krabador | lxpanel | 20:36 |
| krabador | sorry i was wrong | 20:36 |
| krabador | i mean lx panel | 20:36 |
| krabador | i don't want lxpanel on my lxde lubuntu session | 20:36 |
| krabador | i've delete the line @lxpanel, but i've the same | 20:37 |
| krabador | i delete the line @lxpanel on /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart but nothing | 20:46 |
| bioterror | that should be the correct way, I think | 20:48 |
| krabador | bioterror, the line on /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart ? | 20:52 |
| krabador | i leave the @lxpanel line, but i've it on startup | 20:52 |
| bioterror | you remove the @lxpanel | 20:53 |
| krabador | bioterror, i removed it , but nothing | 20:53 |
| bioterror | my autostart is empty :( | 20:54 |
| krabador | bioterror, it's lxpanel the panel on lubuntu , or some xfce stuff ? | 20:58 |
| melodie | hi | 21:06 |
| bioterror | I gotta tomorrow check where's the startup's nowdays | 21:15 |
| melodie | does anyone here have experience with test cases ? | 21:49 |
| melodie | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases/1301/results | 21:49 |
| melodie | is the test cases finished? or is it still ok for the time being? | 21:49 |
| melodie | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases/1301/results | 21:53 |
| melodie | what is "auto-resize" ? | 21:53 |
| melodie | is it when we install besides others for example? | 21:53 |
| melodie | humm it seems so | 21:54 |
| R0b0t1 | Hi, I figured out the error that creates two desktops | 21:54 |
| R0b0t1 | running arandr on setup seems to lag the launch of lxde enough that if I hit the keybinding for the "run command" shortcut two desktops are created | 21:55 |
| melodie | you had "Desktop" and switched to your language? | 21:55 |
| R0b0t1 | s/setup/startup/ | 21:55 |
| R0b0t1 | If I simply wait longer only one desktop will launch, or rather, trying to do the run shortcut won't launch another | 21:55 |
| krabador | please | 22:12 |
| krabador | i need to remove lxpanel from autostart | 22:13 |
| krabador | i removed the line @lxpanel on /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart but nothing | 22:13 |
| krabador | what can i do? | 22:13 |
| melodie | hi | 22:20 |
| melodie | why do you want it not to be started? | 22:20 |
| melodie | krabador I look if I find some desktop files elsewhere | 22:20 |
| melodie | or you can also do: | 22:21 |
| melodie | sudo updatedb && locate lxpanel.desktop | 22:21 |
| melodie | else: | 22:22 |
| melodie | what about lxsession-edit ? | 22:22 |
| krabador | melodie, where i can find lxsession-edit? | 22:22 |
| melodie | that would be: | 22:23 |
| melodie | menu > preferences > | 22:23 |
| melodie | Default applications for LXSession | 22:23 |
| krabador | sudo updatedb && locate lxpanel.desktop will rebuild lxpanel desktop later the line deleted on autostart file? | 22:24 |
| melodie | no | 22:28 |
| krabador | ok, it search in the database the file | 22:28 |
| melodie | sudo updatedb rebuilds the database containing the list and place of files in the system and locate seeks for the file in argument in the whole hard drive | 22:28 |
| melodie | don't bother I have looked and it's not there | 22:29 |
| krabador | can i set a line on autostart | 22:29 |
| krabador | to run lxpanel and kill ? | 22:29 |
| melodie | what about uninstalling lxpanel? | 22:30 |
| krabador | melodie, ok | 22:31 |
| krabador | how can i do? | 22:31 |
| melodie | is it the first time you are using GNU/Linux - and or Lubuntu ? | 22:31 |
| krabador | melodie, apt-get autoremove --purge lxpanel | 22:31 |
| krabador | not | 22:31 |
| melodie | yes, why not? | 22:31 |
| melodie | I guess you can use that command line | 22:32 |
| melodie | or Synaptic | 22:32 |
| melodie | the command line with sudo in front of the line | 22:32 |
| krabador | melodie, with apt-get autoremove --purge lxpanel it want to remove lubuntu-core | 22:35 |
| krabador | isn't too much? | 22:35 |
| melodie | if lubuntu-core is an empty package there is no problem | 22:37 |
| melodie | are there other packages which are at risk of being removed? | 22:37 |
| krabador | melodie, i'm in lubuntu , sure that lubuntu-core may be an empty package? | 22:37 |
| krabador | melodie, lubuntu-core* lubuntu-desktop* lxpanel* lxpanel-indicator-applet-plugin* | 22:37 |
| melodie | if it does not pull away anything else, then it means it is a meta-package | 22:38 |
| krabador | that's the packages that it want remove | 22:38 |
| melodie | lxpanel-indicator-applet-plugin* : you can't use the plugin if you don't have the panel | 22:38 |
| melodie | lubuntu-desktop* : meta package does not pull anything else | 22:38 |
| melodie | lubuntu-core* : same, you can remove it does not pull anything else | 22:38 |
| krabador | ok, i can go ? | 22:38 |
| melodie | how will you access to your menus then? | 22:39 |
| krabador | i've cairo dock | 22:39 |
| melodie | and that's enough? | 22:39 |
| krabador | yes | 22:39 |
| melodie | ok, I don't know cairo docks | 22:39 |
| krabador | the rest i'll do with terminale | 22:39 |
| melodie | you can go! | 22:39 |
| krabador | terminal | 22:39 |
| melodie | would you like to try a spin (non official) built with openbox and not all of lxde ? | 22:40 |
| krabador | i'm trying lubuntu, and for now i'm happy | 22:42 |
| melodie | :) | 22:43 |
| krabador | because canonical way to give stable packages | 22:43 |
| krabador | and fix them for the distro | 22:43 |
| melodie | I am experimenting building almost standalone openbox in Ubuntu 12.04 to make it even lighter and easier to switch components, all relying on the official ubuntu package management of course | 22:44 |
| melodie | I have been working on it and had it tested since several months, just some cosmetics seem to need fixes | 22:44 |
| melodie | for now I am testing Lubuntu Saucy to help the final testing before it comes out | 22:45 |
| krabador | melodie, great | 23:01 |
| krabador | melodie, do you think you'll mantain "openbuntu" project? | 23:02 |
| melodie | yes of course | 23:08 |
| melodie | have you found it? | 23:08 |
| melodie | I have tried to move my install to 13.04 but there were many things not available anymore, such as virtualbox and some other packages which I didn't find for that version and that bugged me (and it's maintained 9 months only so that is kind of short) | 23:09 |
| melodie | so I reverted back to 12.04, and I am waiting for Saucy to try again, and perhaps I'll push up to 14.04 to make a new one... depending on how 13.10 will be | 23:10 |
| melodie | krabador ? | 23:12 |
| krabador | melodie, not | 23:13 |
| krabador | i haven't found it | 23:13 |
| melodie | you can find some spins of Ubuntu and Debian at http://linuxvillage.org :) | 23:14 |
| melodie | and descriptions in the forum | 23:14 |
| krabador | hehee french people ! | 23:15 |
| krabador | melodie, are you french? | 23:15 |
| melodie | some are French, some from Quebec, Belgium and a bunch of others are English speaking people from many places | 23:16 |
| melodie | krabador I am French and American | 23:23 |
| melodie | what about you? | 23:24 |
| krabador | a french in the usa, or an american in france? | 23:24 |
| krabador | i'm italian | 23:24 |
| melodie | I have two nationalities but I am mainly french | 23:25 |
| krabador | great, a friend of mine have two nationalities like you, italian and american | 23:26 |
| melodie | great! | 23:26 |
| krabador | his father is from Detroit | 23:26 |
| melodie | indeed! | 23:26 |
| melodie | mine is from NY state | 23:26 |
| melodie | however he used to live in Germany | 23:26 |
| melodie | where are you from in Italy? | 23:27 |
| krabador | je suis aussi hereux parlant franC | 23:27 |
| krabador | francais | 23:27 |
| krabador | mais je ne le parle pas de l'école | 23:28 |
| krabador | et j'ai peur de le parler très mal | 23:28 |
| * melodie invites krabador to #linuxvillage | 23:28 | |
| blackdog | hey all. is there an approved way of upgrading to saucy? | 23:51 |
| blackdog | i keep getting: "2013-10-14 10:23:03,115 ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'The package 'unity' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist.' | 23:51 |
| blackdog | which is extra-aggravating because i'm not using unity and don't care at all what happens to it. | 23:52 |
| Unit193 | 1. Saucy isn't officially released yet. 2. Do you, or did you ever have unity or ubuntu-desktop? 3. Do you now have lubuntu-desktop and/or lubuntu-core installed? | 23:52 |
| blackdog | Unit193: i have lubuntu-desktop and lubuntu-core installed. unity is also installed, but i've tried do-release-upgrade -d with and without it | 23:54 |
| blackdog | (and yeah, i know it's not released yet. there are some features from the newer kernel i want, and was hoping not to have to install a custom one.) | 23:54 |
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