[00:04] melodie, for the RC's we no longer use virtual machines. The push now is to check the installer on as many different pieces of hard ware as possible. [00:05] melodie, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/TheStages [00:07] I can't test on machines with low ram because I don't have any low ram machine anymore [00:11] melodie, then test installer to death! there are several scenarios for each of our ISO's; each has a set of tests. it is the installer we are now testing; lubuntu works. [00:14] yes phillw I test the installer and add comments in a text file, and make screenshots [00:16] melodie, it needs installing onto hard disk, and then check it can re-install side-by-side etc. I have all this to look forward to on Monday when I get back home :) [00:17] and then check it can re-install side-by-side ? what does that mean? [00:17] I have installed to hard disk [00:18] all the pics of the install time are here: [00:18] http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/LubuntuSaucyTesting/lubuntu/ [00:18] I have described the machine in my posts on the mailing list today [00:20] melodie, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55588/testcases [00:20] if the swappiness is not under control (the default in the system is 60 and for vfs_cache_pressure the default is 100) then it swaps like a mad program [00:20] all of these test cases must be run [00:21] I am using a 32bits iso [00:21] for the real install I can fill only the manual partitionning [00:21] I have a Debian install and a Ubuntu Openbox install in the same hard drive [00:22] melodie, we have zram under control. you have been advised for the blueprint for 14.04 LTS. No changes will be made at this point for zram unless it were to become a critical bug that stopped the actual installation of lubuntu (or any other flavour) [00:22] for the install in vbox I'm doing, I want to bring serious clues to my previous statements regarding swappiness and zram, be it for the one coming or for the next [00:23] I test both separately because it might not be related [00:23] melodie, which part of "we are not using virtual machines" for RC have you not read :D [00:23] I have read [00:23] I just don't have many machines in which I can test [00:23] then stop using them :) [00:23] so I have installed previously in a real T30 [00:24] now I installed to a real P4 Dell [00:24] I have reported for both in the mailing list [00:24] well at least my findings [00:24] I can report to your test case for 32bits but not for 64bits because I always used 32bits iso [00:25] and I can report only about manual partitionning because I am a multibootist: I have only machines with several distros in them [00:26] melodie, which part of "we are not using virtual machines" for RC have you not read :D // I want to find out how it behaves on low ram regarding swappiness and I can't change 1 GB on the T30 for 256MB ram or 386 MB ram because I don't have the hardware for that [00:26] I am a very small contributor, and even if I regret it, I also wish to test what I am most interested in while in the energy of testing. [00:27] melodie, create up a extended partiton and point the installer to use it. I use virtual volumes for my testing, but at this point I do use the standard partition system to install the RC onto. [00:27] on the Dell P4 I have installed to an extended partition [00:27] is that ok for you? [00:28] melodie, the issues of zram / swappiness are not important for 13.10. what is important is "does 13.10 install onto actual machines (not VM's)" [00:29] I have prepared space from 4 partitions which were primary. I have deleted the swap partition and resized the others, then moved them to the left, then did an extended, in which I redid a swap partition and the last one an ext4 for Lubuntu [00:29] I have updated and installed virtualbox : I am happy to say vbox works well in Lubuntu Saucy! [00:30] melodie, then find the best test case that you can run; and run it! [00:30] the boot loader has setup itself to allow me to boot to lubuntu, to Debian and to ubuntu openbox [00:30] yes, you pointed me to the 64bits [00:30] Testcases for Lubuntu Desktop amd64 in Saucy Daily [00:30] where is the 32bits please? [00:32] I've had 13.10 running on my hardware since alpha 1. I've now to scrub my backup partition and tell 13.10 installer to use it. [00:32] where is the 32bits test case? [00:32] melodie, the sources, and test cases are help on the tracker http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds [00:33] *held* [00:33] are help? o_o [00:33] oh ok :) [00:33] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases // Ok [00:35] Ohhh... small hairy spherical objects... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1220165 [00:35] Ubuntu bug 1220165 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Error informing the kernel about modificatons" [High,Confirmed] [00:41] phillw here is a test case for you! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases/1302/results [00:41] hope you like it [00:45] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases/1302/results [00:45] it didn't like my first submit because I wrote "none" instead of "0" [00:45] now it's ok [00:47] phillw maybe tomorrow evening I could retry installing the final to the T30 on top of the former one [00:47] it will still be with manual partitionning, I can't afford to remove the other installs [00:47] melodie, the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1220165 is a potentially critical bug. I had a sneaky feeling it would come back and bite. Do keep an eye on it when you do the install. [00:47] Ubuntu bug 1220165 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Error informing the kernel about modificatons" [High,Confirmed] [00:48] phillw but that's powerpc [00:49] "When installing the desktop powerpc image, the installer comes up with an error message:" [00:49] this is a hardware which is different from usual PC's [00:50] at least I never met with this so far (and I alway press escape to see the scrolling of the messages of the boot, because I want to see if there are errors or warnings) [00:51] so be it at boot time or during install I would have noticed any unusual message [00:57] melodie, they are apple machines [01:01] yes I know that [01:28] good night [03:32] hey i have a problem with changing my brightness [03:32] im running lubuntu on a samsung nc110 netbook [03:33] i have looked online and tried every solution i could find [03:33] when i press "fn + up/down" i get a brightness change indicator window that pops up [03:34] and the brightness bar graphic slides left and right, but my screen stays the same brightness [03:34] can anyone help me with this? [03:46] Etha, your laptop model ? [03:46] Aww sorry.. Missed that... gimme a minute [03:48] my laptop model is NC110 [03:48] its a samsung netbook :) [03:51] It seems like the solution is the same which I applied for my HP... But not sure whether it will work or not. Do you see the boot menu every time you restart ? [03:52] If yes, I want you to edit the Ubuntu 13.04 * by pressing "E" and replace quiet splash with acpi_backlight=vendor [03:52] Etha, can you just try that and get back? [03:52] uhh yeah when I boot i see a menu with boot options [03:53] im not sure i understand what you mean by editing ubuntu 13.04 [03:53] Ok... So, you click enter in the first option I believe.. Then, click E by keeping the first option selected [03:55] alright i think im in the right place [03:55] i cant see "quiet splash" though [03:55] Ok.. you have the line vmlinuz ? [03:56] I think it is the last line or the one before it with UUID and other details [03:56] my last line is initrd, and the one before that is [03:56] fi [03:57] linux [03:58] Okay.,.. do you see something like /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-29-generic-pae root=UUID=b1834d50-6d96-4c36-9e52-05cfbeeab5c6 ro ? [04:00] no sorry, maybe i should do a reinstall first, the other sollutions ive tried might have messed some things up [04:00] ah no [04:00] wait... [04:02] check whether http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1967074&s=dfa95e8321005aaed5ef03c8c68d2cb5&p=11882705#post11882705 helps [04:03] keep the re-installing as the laast option. try available solutions in the internet [04:05] oh ive already started :/ [04:06] its no biggy, i only just installed it anyway [04:06] im dual booting win7 [04:07] ok [04:14] hey it worked! [04:14] i replaced the line with the one you said [04:14] nice [04:14] brightness controls work perfectly now [04:14] thanks man :3 [04:14] now, you have to set it by defauly [04:15] default* or else you have to edit everytime you login [04:16] follow #9 in the link thAt I sent earlier [04:19] alright ill give that a go [04:20] okies :] [04:33] I followed it but it doesn't seem to work [04:34] grub has been edited correctly but the brightness controls don't function [04:34] Aww [04:35] try to view the grub again and check whether it is reflected during boot [04:35] but it definately works when i edit the line in boot [04:35] alright [04:36] when editing grub should i replace quietsplash instead? [04:37] because the post i followed said to add acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor to annother line [04:37] leaving quietsplash alone [04:39] oh... I usually remove it ;D [04:39] brb [04:43] oh damn [04:43] i tried replacing quiet splash [04:43] now my keyboard doesnt work [04:56] wait, fixed it! [04:56] how? [04:56] just had to remove the entire quiet splash line all together [08:34] Hello, I noticed a bug in Lubuntu Saucy: power manager isn't started automatically on my laptop. I checked the settings in lxsession-default-apps, and the command setting for power manager is wrong: it's "auto", whereas it should be "xfce4-power-manager". Is this bug known already? [08:40] auto brightness etc.? [08:42] is the 'prog'/application in the Autostart" list? [08:43] Well, xfce4-power-manager simply doesn't run by default. Only when you launch it yourself, for example from the menu (Preferences - Power Manager), you get the battery icon in your system tray that shows the remaining power in your laptop's battery. [08:44] pjotr: OnlyShowIn=XFCE; of course it doesn't autostart in LXDE. [08:44] you can add it yourself to the startup applications, by correcting the wrong entry in lxsession-default-apps. [08:44] yeah [08:44] /etc/xdg/autostart/xfce4-power-manager.desktop [08:45] Unit193: thisnis clearly a bug, as we have no battery icon now by default. [08:46] thisnis = this is [08:54] fixing this bug is easy: simply set the right command in lxsession-default-apps..... A simple settings change, and side effects are highly unlikely. Can the devs repair this before launch? [08:57] Erm, what makes you think it's in there? [09:19] Unit193: well, of course it's in /etc/xdg/autostart, but it can be tweaked by means of lxsession-default-apps. The means is immaterial to me; it's the result that counts... :-) [09:22] Of course changing OnlyShownIn=XFCE in the desktop config file is probably the most straightforward way of fixing it.... [15:03] I have pulseaudio running in 13.04. Is it by default? [19:55] hi, i neet to delete lxpanel [19:55] or to leave it to at startup [19:55] how can i do? [20:30] hi, i delete the line @lxterminal on /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart [20:30] but ive the lxterminal the sAME [20:32] you did it wrong [20:32] cd .config [20:32] rm -rf lxpanel [20:32] and restart your X session [20:32] it's under your ~/ [20:33] sorry [20:33] lxterminal :D [20:33] I read lxpanel [20:33] as you mentioned first [20:36] lxpanel [20:36] sorry i was wrong [20:36] i mean lx panel [20:36] i don't want lxpanel on my lxde lubuntu session [20:37] i've delete the line @lxpanel, but i've the same [20:46] i delete the line @lxpanel on /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart but nothing [20:48] that should be the correct way, I think [20:52] bioterror, the line on /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart ? [20:52] i leave the @lxpanel line, but i've it on startup [20:53] you remove the @lxpanel [20:53] bioterror, i removed it , but nothing [20:54] my autostart is empty :( [20:58] bioterror, it's lxpanel the panel on lubuntu , or some xfce stuff ? [21:06] hi [21:15] I gotta tomorrow check where's the startup's nowdays [21:49] does anyone here have experience with test cases ? [21:49] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases/1301/results [21:49] is the test cases finished? or is it still ok for the time being? [21:53] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases/1301/results [21:53] what is "auto-resize" ? [21:53] is it when we install besides others for example? [21:54] humm it seems so [21:54] Hi, I figured out the error that creates two desktops [21:55] running arandr on setup seems to lag the launch of lxde enough that if I hit the keybinding for the "run command" shortcut two desktops are created [21:55] you had "Desktop" and switched to your language? [21:55] s/setup/startup/ [21:55] If I simply wait longer only one desktop will launch, or rather, trying to do the run shortcut won't launch another [22:12] please [22:13] i need to remove lxpanel from autostart [22:13] i removed the line @lxpanel on /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart but nothing [22:13] what can i do? [22:20] hi [22:20] why do you want it not to be started? [22:20] krabador I look if I find some desktop files elsewhere [22:21] or you can also do: [22:21] sudo updatedb && locate lxpanel.desktop [22:22] else: [22:22] what about lxsession-edit ? [22:22] melodie, where i can find lxsession-edit? [22:23] that would be: [22:23] menu > preferences > [22:23] Default applications for LXSession [22:24] sudo updatedb && locate lxpanel.desktop will rebuild lxpanel desktop later the line deleted on autostart file? [22:28] no [22:28] ok, it search in the database the file [22:28] sudo updatedb rebuilds the database containing the list and place of files in the system and locate seeks for the file in argument in the whole hard drive [22:29] don't bother I have looked and it's not there [22:29] can i set a line on autostart [22:29] to run lxpanel and kill ? [22:30] what about uninstalling lxpanel? [22:31] melodie, ok [22:31] how can i do? [22:31] is it the first time you are using GNU/Linux - and or Lubuntu ? [22:31] melodie, apt-get autoremove --purge lxpanel [22:31] not [22:31] yes, why not? [22:32] I guess you can use that command line [22:32] or Synaptic [22:32] the command line with sudo in front of the line [22:35] melodie, with apt-get autoremove --purge lxpanel it want to remove lubuntu-core [22:35] isn't too much? [22:37] if lubuntu-core is an empty package there is no problem [22:37] are there other packages which are at risk of being removed? [22:37] melodie, i'm in lubuntu , sure that lubuntu-core may be an empty package? [22:37] melodie, lubuntu-core* lubuntu-desktop* lxpanel* lxpanel-indicator-applet-plugin* [22:38] if it does not pull away anything else, then it means it is a meta-package [22:38] that's the packages that it want remove [22:38] lxpanel-indicator-applet-plugin* : you can't use the plugin if you don't have the panel [22:38] lubuntu-desktop* : meta package does not pull anything else [22:38] lubuntu-core* : same, you can remove it does not pull anything else [22:38] ok, i can go ? [22:39] how will you access to your menus then? [22:39] i've cairo dock [22:39] and that's enough? [22:39] yes [22:39] ok, I don't know cairo docks [22:39] the rest i'll do with terminale [22:39] you can go! [22:39] terminal [22:40] would you like to try a spin (non official) built with openbox and not all of lxde ? [22:42] i'm trying lubuntu, and for now i'm happy [22:43] :) [22:43] because canonical way to give stable packages [22:43] and fix them for the distro [22:44] I am experimenting building almost standalone openbox in Ubuntu 12.04 to make it even lighter and easier to switch components, all relying on the official ubuntu package management of course [22:44] I have been working on it and had it tested since several months, just some cosmetics seem to need fixes [22:45] for now I am testing Lubuntu Saucy to help the final testing before it comes out [23:01] melodie, great [23:02] melodie, do you think you'll mantain "openbuntu" project? [23:08] yes of course [23:08] have you found it? [23:09] I have tried to move my install to 13.04 but there were many things not available anymore, such as virtualbox and some other packages which I didn't find for that version and that bugged me (and it's maintained 9 months only so that is kind of short) [23:10] so I reverted back to 12.04, and I am waiting for Saucy to try again, and perhaps I'll push up to 14.04 to make a new one... depending on how 13.10 will be [23:12] krabador ? [23:13] melodie, not [23:13] i haven't found it [23:14] you can find some spins of Ubuntu and Debian at http://linuxvillage.org :) [23:14] and descriptions in the forum [23:15] hehee french people ! [23:15] melodie, are you french? [23:16] some are French, some from Quebec, Belgium and a bunch of others are English speaking people from many places [23:23] krabador I am French and American [23:24] what about you? [23:24] a french in the usa, or an american in france? [23:24] i'm italian [23:25] I have two nationalities but I am mainly french [23:26] great, a friend of mine have two nationalities like you, italian and american [23:26] great! [23:26] his father is from Detroit [23:26] indeed! [23:26] mine is from NY state [23:26] however he used to live in Germany [23:27] where are you from in Italy? [23:27] je suis aussi hereux parlant franC [23:27] francais [23:28] mais je ne le parle pas de l'école [23:28] et j'ai peur de le parler très mal [23:28] * melodie invites krabador to #linuxvillage [23:51] hey all. is there an approved way of upgrading to saucy? [23:51] i keep getting: "2013-10-14 10:23:03,115 ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'The package 'unity' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist.' [23:52] which is extra-aggravating because i'm not using unity and don't care at all what happens to it. [23:52] 1. Saucy isn't officially released yet. 2. Do you, or did you ever have unity or ubuntu-desktop? 3. Do you now have lubuntu-desktop and/or lubuntu-core installed? [23:54] Unit193: i have lubuntu-desktop and lubuntu-core installed. unity is also installed, but i've tried do-release-upgrade -d with and without it [23:54] (and yeah, i know it's not released yet. there are some features from the newer kernel i want, and was hoping not to have to install a custom one.)