[00:00] <AlecTaylor> Just ran `sudo apt-get upgrade` on my Ubuntu 13.10 x64 (on VirtualBox); now my GUI tty won't open :\
[00:27] <zeep> ah unity has a weather scope: unity-scope-openweathermap
[00:34] <AlecTaylor> I can't get my mouse to work in VirtualBox?
[00:35] <snadge> you need to install the guest extensions for that to work smoothly
[00:36] <snadge> but it should capture the hosts mouse if you click into the window
[00:36] <penguin42> AlecTaylor: It doesn't work at all?
[00:37] <snadge> if thats not working.. hmm.. could be an issue with the host running virtualbox, or with virtualbox itself.. perhaps even the ubuntu you've just installed
[00:37] <AlecTaylor> penguin42: Was working a while ago, but now can't get focus in the window
[00:37] <AlecTaylor> (keyboard works fine)
[00:38] <snadge> no pointer at all?
[00:38] <snadge> or it wont move when the guest is capturing the host input
[01:05] <AlecTaylor> I'll just reinstall the guest additions
[01:05]  * AlecTaylor had done a kernel upgrade just before
[01:24] <snadge> then yes you will likely need to do that
[01:25] <snadge>  sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup .. iirc
[01:25] <snadge> oh wait.. nvm, thats if you upgrade the kernel on the host
[01:28] <AlecTaylor> yeah
[01:28] <AlecTaylor> It's working now anyway
[01:29] <AlecTaylor> When upgrading my packages using pip, I get an error "No distributions at all found for Twisted-Core". How do I fix this error?
[01:30]  * AlecTaylor has tried `pip uninstall twisted twisted-matrix twistedmatrix twisted-core twistedcore` and `apt-get remove twisted twisted-matrix twistedmatrix twisted-core twistedcore`
[01:59] <TOM_otakux> i have no problem about virtualbox. i work normal :)
[01:59] <TOM_otakux> althoughti use the offical version not ose
[04:12] <zeep> so i added the wine ppa, and wine1.7 isn't found even though it's listed on the launchpad page
[04:13] <wilee-nilee> zeep: does the ppa support saucy?
[04:13] <zeep> i suppose, it's in the dropdown list
[04:13] <wilee-nilee> zeep: you run a update?
[04:14] <zeep> yeah
[04:14] <wilee-nilee> zeep: can you post the ppa?
[04:14] <zeep> i see some of the others, such as 1.4,5,6
[04:14] <zeep> wilee-nilee, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa
[04:16] <zeep> ah i think it's my mistake
[04:16] <xarses> hello, I'm on ubuntu 13.10 with a dell XPS 13. I've been updating near daily, but first reboot in about 2 weeks. After rebooting, I've found that can no longer receive DHCP addresses from the network on wired or wireless connections. I've performed a dist-upgrade as a per-cation with no result. using 3.10.0-5-generic kernel, cant use newer as the Dell XPS backlight issue is back in the newer revisions again. Would love to have some h
[04:16] <zeep> i didnt notice there was a version filter
[04:16] <zeep> it's not listed for saucy :/
[04:16] <wilee-nilee> zeep: what are you running for an install command?
[04:17] <zeep> wilee-nilee, i was looking at the wrong dropdown. it's not listed for saucy https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=saucy
[04:18] <wilee-nilee> could be, I did not see 1.7 attached to a version on the first page
[04:18] <zeep> i was looking under the tech info, rather than the filter
[04:19] <zeep> probably just have to wait a bit. it was built 12 hours ago
[04:43] <frybye> Hi all - anybody got a good soloution for sending video-mails from 13.10?
[04:44] <frybye> put differently - what application to use for well compressed video recording?
[04:45] <frybye> something customized for use with video-mail would be better still...?
[04:51] <frybye> found some incredably complex info with google.. hmm.. what one needs is an app to just install and use..
[04:52] <wilee-nilee> frybye, You would be better using a cloud app and sharing.
[04:52] <wilee-nilee> info on the web though
[05:52] <xarses> ok, did some testing, it's not dhclients fault it can acquire address just fine, what ever is the default network manager sits spinning for some reason, and then after a period it down's the iface even if i made dhclient get an addr and had a usable interface. using a static interface configured in the network manager is the only way to stay connected
[06:37] <xarses> how do i even figure out the name of the network manager?
[06:37] <xarses> i mean like the package
[07:23] <EricKit> Hello, I have a question about the kernel.  When I run sudo-apt get dist-upgrade should I be seeing 3.11.0-12-generic *what I currently see* or 3.11.4 *What I see on Ubuntu kernel's page* when I run uname -a?
[07:24] <bazhang> what version of ubuntu: try lsb_release -a
[07:24] <bazhang> dist-upgrade does NOT change versions
[07:25] <EricKit> I'm running 13.10
[07:25] <bazhang> what's the output of lsb_release -a , please
[07:26] <EricKit> So dist-update Does not change versions! That's good to know.  So if I want to run 3.11.4 I need to manually update it?
[07:26] <EricKit> LSB Version:	core-2.0-amd64:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-amd64:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-amd64:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-amd64:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-amd64:core-4.0-noarch:core-4.1-amd64:core-4.1-noarch:security-4.0-amd64:security-4.0-noarch:security-4.1-amd64:security-4.1-noarch
[07:26] <EricKit> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[07:26] <EricKit> Description:	Ubuntu Saucy Salamander (development branch)
[07:26] <EricKit> Release:	13.10
[07:26] <EricKit> Codename:	saucy
[07:26] <bazhang> there should be a mainline PPA for a more recent kernel
[07:26] <EricKit> How do you update your kernel?
[07:27] <bazhang> that, or using one from kernel.org is not a thing undertaken lightly, nor supported
[07:27] <bazhang> I wait for the package manager to provide one
[07:27] <bazhang> !info linux saucy
[07:28] <EricKit> So that's why
[07:28] <EricKit> It sees 3.11.0 the newest eh?
[07:28] <bazhang> what is so needed about the the .4 one
[07:28] <EricKit> Nothing, just learning
[07:28] <bazhang> aha
[07:28] <EricKit> I have an issue with suspend I'm trying to figure out.
[07:28] <EricKit> Was hoping it might fix it.
[07:28] <bazhang> might want to VM that
[07:28] <EricKit> True.
[07:29] <EricKit> Do you know much about suspend?
[07:29] <bazhang> using the very newest (kernel especially) to fix things, often creates more probs than it solves
[07:29] <EricKit> Makes sense
[07:29] <EricKit> When my machine goes to sleep, it often wakes up immediately
[07:29] <bazhang> hibernate?
[07:30] <EricKit> I have searched the logs and all they tell me is that it received a wake command
[07:30] <EricKit> I want to know what is causing the wake
[07:30] <EricKit> No suspend.
[07:40] <xarses> im quite certain that NetworkManager has it out for me
[09:33] <rohan> i just installed kubuntu 13.10, and I can't connect to any network device: network manager applet fails with "IP configuration was unavailable"
[09:42] <bekks> rohan: You have to configure valid IP settings.
[09:45] <rohan> bekks: nothing special should be required for these connections
[09:45] <rohan> they used to just work in the past, and just worked on the livecd
[09:45] <bekks> rohan: You still have to configure valid settings.
[09:47] <rohan> bekks: care to elaborate more? it's a plain WPA2 wifi connection.
[09:47] <rohan> and it's also failing for ethernet connections, like usb0
[09:47] <rohan> and like i said, it worked with no further effort on the livecd
[09:47] <bekks> Maybe your DHCP server isnt answering, maybe you didnt setup auto-connect, etc.
[09:47] <rohan> no, none of that are issues.
[09:51] <bekks> rohan: Is it failing for cabled connections like eth0 too?
[09:52] <rohan> bekks: yes
[09:52] <bekks> Can you establish a connection manually, on a cabled interface like eth0?
[09:52] <rohan> yes, doing "sudo dhclient eth0" works, until networkmanager tries to reconfigure it forcefully again
[10:10] <rohan> bekks: updating the system and rebooting fixd it
[10:31] <rohan> any idea what's the best place to put my synaptics touchpad settings so that they stick? /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf seems not to work
[10:33] <BluesKaj_> Hi folks
[10:33] <user82> a short question: is todays daily build as good as a final build? it should be a RC?
[10:37] <BluesKaj_> user82. hard to say , I'm not privy to that kind of info
[10:38] <user82> ok. thanks BluesKaj_
[10:39] <rohan> user82: it should be fairly close to final, though stuff might still get updated
[10:39] <rohan> i think there are no official "RC" releases now
[10:39] <user82> rohan, i hope so too. thank you
[10:40] <user82> i noticed the image changed from yesterday to today..but i guess it is ok
[10:43] <BluesKaj> user I installed a daily 3 days ago , there have a few changes since , but nothing real major
[10:43] <BluesKaj> user82.^
[10:44] <user82> BluesKaj, i installed the version of yesterday on my notebook and noticed a "major" (distrubing but easy to fix) bug. that is why i asked again
[10:44] <elfy> user82: the image is likely to change again before the 17th
[10:45] <user82> elfy, can i get the same changes with an update or will it have some downsides to install now
[10:45] <elfy> ~I don't understand what you mean
[10:45] <user82> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule said "final freeze"
[10:46] <user82> what i meant was: if i use the daily image now and make updates, will my system be in any way different from a version installed from the 17th image
[10:46] <elfy> in general if you install now and update/upgrade between now and release day you will have what others get on that day
[10:46] <user82> great. thank you!
[10:46] <user82> in this case: let me reboot and install.
[10:46] <user82> bye
[10:47] <BluesKaj> why reboot ?
[10:48] <BluesKaj> or install, there isn't a lot of difference
[10:48] <BluesKaj> he doesn't understand
[11:13] <user82> hi. does anyone know if there is a smartscope overview? i would like to know all "key words" like wiki: weather:
[11:17] <BluesKaj> smartscope?
[11:18] <BluesKaj> user82.^
[11:18] <user82> BluesKaj, the "new" unity feature. basically an upgraded version of the scopes
[11:18] <user82> weather:somecity gives you the weather
[11:18] <user82> etc
[11:19] <BluesKaj> ok , I haven't run unity much , kde user here
[11:19] <bhavesh> How can I create a Ubuntu 13,10 GNOME's bootable usb? There's no option for that in Universal USB Installer 123
[11:20] <elfy> I use unetbootin - point it to the iso you downloaded
[11:20] <user82> bhavesh, i usually just copy the iso over to usb. dd if=iso of=/dev/usbstick
[11:20] <user82> works (at least with uefi and most isos)
[11:20] <bhavesh> user82: I did not understand the dd if=iso of=/dev/usbstick part
[11:21] <elfy> then be careful using it or it can go horribly wrong ;)
[11:21] <user82> dd if=ubuntu-1310.iso of=/dev/sdc. BUT as elfy says: if you choose the wrong /dev/ it goes wrong
[11:21] <user82> i would try unetbootin first
[11:21] <user82> it is a good tool
[11:22] <user82> (the /dev/ of the usb stick can be found with hte gnome "disks" tool etc. it is included in ubuntu)
[11:22] <BluesKaj> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1/UbuntuGNOME , bhavesh
[11:23] <bhavesh> So I can just right click and burn to usb from windows 8?
[11:24] <bhavesh> also trying Daily_live_64 from unetboot in
[11:24] <elfy> no idea - last windows I used was win2k
[11:24] <Volkodav> where do you ppl get windoze 8 from anyway?
[11:24] <bhavesh> Volkodav: thepiratebay.se
[11:24] <Volkodav> heh
[11:24] <user82> it was on my notebook when i bought it. it survived for two full days
[11:24] <user82> (still got the hdd though)
[15:29] <c_korn> hello, I do not know if this is related to ubuntu 13.10. but I try to compile  a package for Ubuntu 13.10 on my Ubuntu 12.04 server. it has a precompiled i386 executable so I added :i386 to the build dependencies to make it work with amd64. but sbuild on my server complains: sbuild: warning: can't parse dependency libogg0:i386
[15:41] <BluesKaj> c_korn. why are you compiling it on the server if it's meant for your 13.10 OS
[15:45] <user82> hi. is someone here with ubuntu 13.10 running right now?
[15:46] <user82> i would have a one second test, if it can be reproduced. if i enter the term "emu" in the unity dash, it crashes
[15:46] <user82> thank you
[15:50] <penguin42> hang on, let me boot my unity vm
[15:51] <user82> thanks
[15:51] <penguin42> seems fine here
[15:51] <penguin42> finds xterm/uxterm/The emu wars in music - ooh but then it did crash a few seconds later
[15:51] <user82> interesting. i can do this on two pc's
[15:51] <penguin42> so yes I agree
[15:51] <user82> ah thanks
[15:51] <user82> offline it works..must be some scope
[15:52] <penguin42> great bug :-)
[15:52] <user82> it works with any term including "emu"
[15:52] <user82> i wanted to find "dolphin emu" originally
[15:52] <penguin42> it's interesting it's not loading any of the images for the music/more suggestions
[15:52] <user82> thanks for checking
[15:53] <penguin42> do you have a bug number for it?
[15:53] <user82> not yet..i try to report
[15:54] <user82> could you test doing it in the application and video lens please?
[15:54] <user82> it only appears in the home and video lens for me
[15:55] <user82> uhm..only home
[15:55] <user82> sorry
[15:55] <penguin42> yeh video is fine for me
[15:56] <penguin42> yeh agree, only home for me
[15:56] <user82> thank you
[15:56] <user82> i am reporting now
[15:57] <penguin42> tell us the bug number and I'll confirm it
[15:57] <penguin42> I bet it depends on some particular image on Amazon
[16:00] <user82> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1239381 penguin42
[16:00] <penguin42> hmm looks like they've done the right thing and put the product search over https these days - makes it a bit harder to sniff
[16:00] <user82> i hope this is ok. my first bug ireported
[16:01] <user82> (interent connection..well yes damn)
[16:01] <penguin42> meh it's obvious what you mean
[16:02] <user82> hey i can edit. fixed
[16:03] <user82> thank you for confirming
[16:03] <penguin42> no problem, it's a fun bug :-)
[16:05] <user82> yep. probablly just one error not "caught" with unexpected internet content
[16:05] <user82> let's hope the internet does not remove this specific content
[16:07] <c_korn> BluesKaj: there is a schroot for every version I compile for on my build server. it is for a repository.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> c_korn.  ok , now it 's clear
[16:51] <penguin42> curious, ls -l /dev/disk/by-path is only showing my usb drive, neither of my sata devices
[16:51] <penguin42> anyone else seeing that?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> penguin42. yeah , same thing here
[17:03]  * elfy as well
[17:05] <BluesKaj> I have an external esata to sata drive , which doesn't show as well as an interanl ide and internal sata ,which aren't listed either
[17:25] <xarses> rohan: I disconnected, but i think i have the same issue, did you find a solution?
[17:27] <johnjohn1011> kind of bizarre this late into the cycle. will be interesting to see what the solution is.
[17:30] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Bug 1239398
[18:27] <tekonivel> soon... the Trendy Tapir... or whatever it will be :)
[18:29] <BluesKaj> ,or timid titmouse :)
[18:29] <tekonivel> :D
[18:30] <elfy> I'm having trouble coming up with a name to use here for T
[18:31] <penguin42> BluesKaj: That can't cause any worse google matches than when searching for saucy
[18:31] <elfy> s was easy - Sarky Smaug
[18:31] <rohan> shouldn't the new name have been announded by this time?
[18:31] <BluesKaj> names decided by committee , or is it strictly a shuttleworth decision ?
[18:32] <elfy> Mark does it I believe - and from memory on release day
[18:32] <johnjohn1011> tired tiger?
[18:33] <tekonivel> perhaps being an LTS release will reflected by the name?
[18:33] <BluesKaj> titanic turpin
[18:33] <tekonivel> S could've been Saucy Shuttleworth
[18:34] <tekonivel> BluesKaj: what on earth is a turpin lol
[18:34] <tekonivel> i've tried to educate myself and already the the animal wikipedia page when a new release is out
[18:34] <tekonivel> which reminds me to check out salamanders...
[18:34] <elfy> tekonivel: it's a taipan turtle cross
[18:35] <BluesKaj> tekonivel. it's a species of land turtle , sort of like a terrapin
[18:35] <elfy> possibly a bit slow then
[18:35] <johnjohn1011> tom turkey?
[18:36] <penguin42> Tempremental Tux?
[18:37]  * tekonivel learns that newt (as in Nethack) are kinds of salamanders
[18:37] <BluesKaj> penguin42. good one :) you should suggest that to the powers that be
[18:38] <johnjohn1011> I wonder what will be new other than latest kernel and xmir.
[18:38]  * tekonivel learns salamanders are anything from 2.7cm to 1.8meters (holy cow!)
[18:38] <tekonivel> johnjohn1011: u mean the T? well Ubuntu Touch is a big thing
[18:39] <BluesKaj> wonder what shuttleworth will decide after the "Z " name is done
[18:39] <tekonivel> BluesKaj: well there's still Å, Ä and Ö after Z
[18:39] <penguin42> BluesKaj: And that's the real reason behind considering rolling releases
[18:40] <BluesKaj> tekonivel. not in my alphabet :)
[18:40]  * tekonivel looks at UTF-8 character table
[18:41] <tekonivel> that's right, after 'Z' comes 'a'
[18:41]  * penguin42 hands tekonivel a 𐌈
[18:41] <tekonivel> and after 'z', somewhere around 2030, it's 'ª'
[18:42] <BluesKaj> 3 1/2 yrs
[18:42] <tekonivel> penguin42: thank you :) Here, take this ȿ
[18:43] <penguin42> ooh nice
[18:43] <bwayne> greetings. I've installed the beta on another partition. I didn't install grub to the MBR since I've got it there from my present Ubuntu install. I thought that running update-grub would find the installation, as it does for Windows and FreeBSD, but it doesn't. How can I boot to it?
[18:43] <penguin42> bwayne: Did you install grub to the partition you installed into?
[18:44] <bwayne> penguin42: ah. such as 'grub-install /dev/sda?' ??
[18:44] <BluesKaj> biab
[18:44] <penguin42> bwayne: Well I meant during the install
[18:45] <bwayne> penguin42: no
[18:45] <penguin42> bwayne: Hmm that would have probably been what you should have done, and then the os-probe from the other one would find it
[18:46] <penguin42> bwayne: so have you got anotehr ubuntu installed on a different partition?
[18:46] <bwayne> penguin42: yes. wanted to test +1 without wiping out my LTS.
[18:47] <penguin42> bwayne: OK, so I think what I'd do is mount the +1 from the LTS, and then chroot into it, mount /sys and /proc and stuff from in there and then within the chroot run    grub-install /dev/whereeveryouinstalled the 12.01
[18:47] <penguin42> means 13.10
[18:47] <penguin42> bwayne: Then I'd give update-grub from the 12.04 a chance of finding it
[18:48] <bwayne> penguin42: OK. I'd have to do it from a livecd, as I'm on a 32 bit but the +1 is 64 bit.
[18:48] <penguin42> ah yeh
[18:49] <bwayne> thx penguin42
[18:50] <johnjohn1011> how does grub update decide what is the default partition?
[18:50] <penguin42> johnjohn1011: Not sure - perhaps it finds it from where /boot is?
[18:52] <johnjohn1011> i need to learn more about update-grub. I did see a grup customizer program. Not sure how it all works.
[18:53] <penguin42> johnjohn1011: Lots of settings in /etc/grub.d and /etc/default/grub
[19:04] <BluesKaj> having problems with my default nick not being applied
[19:37] <pvh_sa> hey there, I'm running the latest saucy (updated as of a few hours ago) - my system settings doesn't look anything like this screenshot: http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Ubuntu-13-10-Saucy-Salamander-Privacy-Security-Settings-Explained-Screenhot-Tour-390199-2.jpg/ - instead its a grey window  with Search, Network, Personal, etc - and mostly non-functional.
[19:38] <pvh_sa> just wondering what others are seeing?
[19:58] <trism> pvh_sa: probably just a custom theme
[20:08] <xarses> rohan: where you able to get anywhere with that network manager issue?
[20:09] <xarses> how do i identify the name of applet that does the network manager in the toolbar?
[20:09] <rohan> xarses: yes
[20:10] <rohan> xarses: just doing an apt-get update and dist-upgrade, and then rebooting fixed my issue
[20:10] <rohan> xarses: i also deleted all the stored wifi networks
[20:10] <rohan> and then tried reconnecting, after which it just worked
[20:10] <rohan> xarses: the applet is called "Network Management"
[20:10] <xarses> odd, i did that yesterday and no love
[20:11] <rohan> xarses: try creating a new user, and see if it works over there?
[20:11] <xarses> i cant use the 3.11 kernel, the dell XPS 13 backlight issue is back
[20:11] <xarses> on 3.10.0-5 still
[20:12] <xarses> it also dosn't work with wired connections over dhcp for me
[20:12] <xarses> i have to manually dhclient my wired interface
[20:12] <xarses> I'll check for more updates
[20:13] <rohan> xarses: are you using kubuntu 13.10?
[20:13] <xarses> how did you clean all your networks out? just remove them from the ui?
[20:13] <rohan> yes
[20:13] <xarses> ubuntu 13.10
[20:13] <rohan> ah, then please ignore everything i said:  i am using kubuntu 13.10
[20:14] <xarses> ya, well if you figured out something thats a start
[20:14] <xarses> i have nothing and am tied to this damn cable now
[20:14] <rohan> dunno, just doing a full system upgrade fixed the issue for me
[20:15] <xarses> I've done everything, but used the new kernel
[20:15] <xarses> shortly before you talked about it today
[20:15] <rohan> i didn't even know that (k)ubuntu 13.10 carried kernel 3.10
[20:16] <xarses> was on 9 for a while too
[20:17] <xarses> no useful looking updates still
[20:29] <benishor> Hi all. I upgraded today from 13.04 to 13.10 and ran into the following issue: I have a simple opengl + freeglut3 program that compiles just fine, but at runtime yields:  Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-version.c: 224: _dl_check_map_versions: Assertion `needed != ((void *)0)' failed!
[20:30] <benishor> can anybody help me out with this please? it seems to be triggered by having glut linked
[20:30] <benishor> same program was running just fine on 13.04
[20:31] <benishor> I like 13.10 just fine so far and I would love to keep using it
[20:31] <benishor> but I don't really get the error
[20:31] <benishor> here's the output of strace: http://hq.scene.ro/strace.txt
[20:31] <benishor> and here's output from LD_DEBUG=all http://hq.scene.ro/ld_debug.txt
[20:40] <bjsnider> benishor, definitely too technical a question for this humble channel
[20:41] <bjsnider> it's also offtopic. it's your deal, not ubuntu
[20:41] <benishor> bjsnider: sorry, I thought that's where I might find technical people
[20:42] <benishor> any clue for where I can find them?
[20:43] <bjsnider> i'm not sending you into another channel for something that's a personal project of yours
[20:44] <bjsnider> you can ask in a ml or something
[20:44] <benishor> bjsnider: it's not my personal project, it's a libs fuckage after the upgrade
[20:45] <benishor> and since I don't even know what the error means I thought someone could enlighten me so I can even have a slight clue of how to fix it
[20:45] <rohan> benishor: in my experience, the fastest way to get in touch with "technical people" is to file a bug on launchpad
[20:45] <rohan> against the relevant package
[20:46] <bjsnider> if you think you have abug that affects others too you should file a bug
[20:46] <benishor> rohan: I traced that back to libxdmcp6, which X depends on
[20:46] <benishor> but the thing is glut might only be the trigger
[20:47] <benishor> I can't file a bug until I'm certain it's a bug
[20:47] <rohan> at least file the bug, other experienced people can triage
[20:47] <benishor> and in order to do that I would need to know what that error means
[20:47] <rohan> or it will closed
[20:47] <benishor> rohan: ok, thanks for the suggestion
[20:47] <benishor> bjsnider: thank you as well
[23:03] <amuva> I have Nexus 4 with Android 4.3 and my Ubuntu 13.10 or 13.04 can not see it when I connect it to USB. Anyone has same problem? It was working with Android 4.2.
[23:21] <wilee-nilee> amuva, You looked in home to see if they show in the side panel
[23:22] <wilee-nilee> if you have showing mounts off on the desktop they wont show there.
[23:23] <wilee-nilee> amuva, Does it show in a lsusb command?
[23:24] <amuva> wilee-nilee: no, if I connect my phone and enter lspci, my phone does not show
[23:24] <amuva> it was showing when I had Android 4.2
[23:25] <amuva> now my phone is charging only
[23:26] <amuva> Look like Google had to make some changes to MTP file system
[23:27] <wilee-nilee> amuva, You have not answered any question, I have android 4.3 on my nexus 7 it shows just fine.
[23:27] <amuva> no
[23:28] <wilee-nilee> no on all the questions, you looked at the lsusb command and home?
[23:28] <wilee-nilee> usb is lsusb
[23:29] <amuva> sorry, yes. there is nothing if I enter lsusb as well as home
[23:31] <wilee-nilee> amuva, I would try another usb cord, it may be a something with the nexus 4 probably, not the android it show here.
[23:31] <amuva> OK thank you
[23:31] <wilee-nilee> you have the developer set
[23:31] <wilee-nilee> usb debugging
[23:32] <amuva> yes
[23:33] <amuva> it was working when  I had 4.2
[23:33] <wilee-nilee> I suspect it is a nexus 4 issue
[23:33] <wilee-nilee> it does not help to keep repeating that it means nothing heree.
[23:33] <amuva> looks like it
[23:34] <wilee-nilee> amuva, You might ask in #android and if rooted #android-root
[23:36] <amuva> Thank you, I will
[23:43] <zeep> editing the distribution for a ppa in the sources configuration doesn't seem to work
[23:43] <wilee-nilee> !details | zeep
[23:44] <zeep> well i found a work around. i just though i'd share here
[23:45] <zeep> i can give more info though if needed
[23:46] <wilee-nilee> zeep, This is support full disclosure, that makes sense is important.
[23:47] <zeep> alright one second
[23:47] <wilee-nilee> honestly iot sound like you had to fix what you don't understand and probably still don't, ppa's are not supported here anyway.
[23:48] <zeep> no, it's the sources configuration gui isn't working properly
[23:48] <zeep> *that isn't
[23:49] <wilee-nilee> zeep, sources configuration gui? you mean software sources?
[23:49] <zeep> yeah
[23:49] <wilee-nilee> works fine here
[23:49] <zeep> edit a ppa line, and change the distro
[23:49] <zeep> *distro release name
[23:50] <wilee-nilee> zeep, distro what do yhou mean?
[23:50] <zeep> from saucy to raring for example
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> zeep, That is the wrong palce to do it any way, you would use the sources.list or sources.list.s anyway
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> sources.list.d
[23:51] <zeep> then what's this for?
[23:52] <zeep> it's not a big deal. it works if you just add in the line instead of editing
[23:52] <wilee-nilee> zeep, PPA"s are not supported nor are out of the releases additions, so it is a moot point really.
[23:53] <zeep> well it's not just for ppa's
[23:56] <zeep> both methods end with the same result. nothing to get hyped about :)
[23:56] <wilee-nilee> zeep, notice in this image I changed the bottom from saucy to raring, like I said works here. http://imagebin.org/273627
[23:57] <wilee-nilee> are you sure you know how to do it, is it a bug with your setup maybe.
[23:58] <zeep> i know how to do it. it just so happens doing it via an edit didn't work for me
[23:58] <zeep> you are using 13.10 right?
[23:58] <wilee-nilee> zeep, Did it ask for your pasword?
[23:58] <zeep> wilee-nilee, yeah
[23:58] <zeep> wait a second
[23:59] <zeep> it worked for a different source line