[01:35] <ahoneybun_> hey valorie
[01:35] <valorie> hi aaron
[01:35] <valorie> how are you?
[01:41] <ahoneybun> hello all
[01:42] <valorie> heh
[01:43] <valorie> I think you were already pinging out earlier
[01:45] <ahoneybun> oh 
[01:47] <ahoneybun> nope I don't think so
[01:50] <valorie> ok
[01:50] <valorie> I said hi, how are you, and you didn't respond
[01:50] <ahoneybun> I moved the trello around a bit
[01:51] <ahoneybun> I might have been gone but forgot to mark myself as away
[01:53] <ahoneybun> sorry
[01:57] <valorie> np
[01:59] <ahoneybun> I cleaned up trello a bit
[02:00] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1239173] qt4-x11 - binaries linked against libQtCore don't start @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1239173 (by Matthias Klose)
[02:01] <valorie> you rock, aaron
[02:03] <ahoneybun> thanks ;)
[02:07] <ahoneybun> valorie: I made a email to the list, and told lordievader that we need to focus on the current pages not the installation page
[02:07] <valorie> within the next 6 months I'm sure we can get it all done
[02:07] <valorie> but sure
[02:09] <ahoneybun> I want to try to get a meeting for membership
[02:09] <valorie> very good idea
[02:09] <valorie> you'll have my vote
[02:10] <valorie> sec
[02:10] <ahoneybun> ok
[02:15] <ahoneybun> so we can set the goal of having it ready the next LTS 
[02:15] <ahoneybun> 14.04
[02:18] <valorie> phew, final item checked off my list of things to prep for tomorrow
[02:18] <valorie> we're having the house repiped, so no water for much of the day
[02:19] <valorie> agreed; that is a really important deadline
[02:19] <valorie> the docs need to be great on both the website and on launchpad by then
[02:19] <valorie> I think the mini-docs first, so we can get lots of translations
[02:22] <ahoneybun> yea that is important to me
[02:23] <valorie> in particular, chinese dialects are important
[02:23] <valorie> some of the Indian languages
[02:23] <valorie> those are the next big thing for linux
[02:24] <ahoneybun> I want to see if my gf and her sister can make it Korean
[02:24] <valorie> that would be awesome
[02:24] <ahoneybun> they are learning it 
[02:24] <valorie> oh
[02:24] <ahoneybun> still something
[02:24] <ahoneybun> good at speaking it
[02:24] <valorie> we need native speakers who also speak excellent english
[02:24] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:24] <valorie> AND know how to translate software
[02:24] <valorie> it isn't always obvious
[02:26] <ahoneybun> I need to keep contact with the people who would like to translate
[02:26] <ahoneybun> maybe get the home page and getting involved to them to translate while we work on the basic
[02:28] <valorie> yes, it would be good to make sure that it is mentioned in the get involved section
[02:29] <valorie> software needs localizing, but that is mostly done by KDE
[02:29] <valorie> our docs need translating, and that isn't really being done, afaik
[02:29] <valorie> mini-dox are the most important for translation
[02:30] <valorie> what's on the website.... to me, that's second
[02:30] <ahoneybun> yes I know but I think home and getting involved is going to be included in the mini-docs
[02:30] <valorie> sure
[02:32] <ahoneybun> so we focus on the basic page and push the home and getting involved pages for translation
[02:33] <valorie> cool
[02:34] <ahoneybun> that's the best way I think
[02:39] <ahoneybun> any way I have to get off 
[02:40] <valorie> nice chatting with you aaron
[02:40] <valorie> niters
[02:40] <ahoneybun> same here see you valorie
[07:14] <soee> good morning
[10:52] <apachelogger> you know, what I like best about lunchpad .... if you click on a version in the table at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam you get a blank page in chrome
[10:53] <apachelogger> bug 923587
[10:53]  * apachelogger does the regression dance
[10:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh might Riddell replacement what shall we do
[10:54]  * apachelogger pokes shadeslayer witha  long pointy stick
[12:32]  * apachelogger wonders how we get a 1 gib iso even though we do not offer anything other than one card game compared to when we did use CD size
[12:32] <apachelogger> kde-l10n-engb	4:4.11.2-0ubuntu1
[12:32] <apachelogger> that's very important really
[12:32] <apachelogger> kdevelop-l10n	4:4.5.1-0ubuntu5
[12:32] <apachelogger> da fudge
[12:32] <apachelogger> kdevelop-php-docs-l10n	1.5.1-0ubuntu1
[12:32] <apachelogger> kdevelop-php-l10n	1.5.1-0ubuntu1
[12:32] <apachelogger> kdevplatform-l10n	1.5.1-0ubuntu1
[12:32] <apachelogger> da fudge^4
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:44] <debfx> also why is libc6-dbg on the (k)ubuntu image
[12:44] <apachelogger> apport/gdb/drkonqi I'd presume
[12:45] <apachelogger> libc6-dbg                          | eglibc                         | gdb (Recommends)  
[12:45] <apachelogger> gdb                                | gdb                            | apport-kde (Recommends) 
[12:48] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/OTUxySp.png
[12:48] <apachelogger> maybe we should also add the ubuntu software center
[12:48] <apachelogger> and yes, muon software center crashed
[12:48] <apachelogger> and it reproducibly does so at startup
[12:50] <apachelogger> wait what why
[12:50] <apachelogger> lol
[12:50] <apachelogger> what
[12:50] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:50] <apachelogger> no
[12:50] <apachelogger> :O
[12:50] <apachelogger> muon package has muon software manager and muon software center
[12:51] <apachelogger> [|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||]||||||||| <- anger bar
[12:51] <yofel> o.O?
[12:51] <yofel> #6  KNS3::Entry::providerId (this=0x0) at ../../../knewstuff/knewstuff3/entry.cpp:52
[12:51] <yofel> oh, fun
[12:51] <apachelogger> libphononexperimental4             | phonon                         | calligra-libs                         | Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>                     |           29968 |             155
[12:52] <apachelogger> wut
[12:52] <apachelogger> :O
[12:52] <apachelogger> calligra just got spooky
[12:52] <apachelogger> plasma-scriptengine-python         | kde-workspace                  | plasma-widget-facebook                | Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>                     |           27684 |             249
[12:53] <apachelogger> so while everyone plays with their facebook app... plasma-nm currently isn't built with openconnect and I am not actually sure that openconnect would still fit on the ISO
[12:53] <apachelogger> yofel: can you paste a dbg backtrace?
[12:53] <apachelogger> would take rather longish to download :(
[12:54] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[12:54] <apachelogger> and then there is this mount of pyware
[12:54] <yofel> http://pastebin.kde.org/p35ba0e56
[12:55] <highvoltage> jeepers. /win 16
[12:55] <highvoltage> (oops)
[12:55] <apachelogger> mysql-server-core-5.5              | mysql-5.5                      | akonadi-backend-mysql                 | Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>               |         5844454 |           18085
[12:55] <apachelogger> and that
[12:56] <apachelogger> considering that amarok has an embedded server-core
[12:56] <apachelogger> so I guess in theory there are two
[12:56] <apachelogger> and where's shadeslayer
[12:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
[12:57] <soee> uh, oh :)
[12:58] <soee> Pi & Sigma
[12:58] <BluesKaj> whoa, ! 
[12:59] <BluesKaj> whoa, ! 
[12:59] <BluesKaj> twice for emphasis
[13:00] <highvoltage> who still uses mysql anyway!?
[13:00] <highvoltage> (silly uncle rodney)
[13:16] <davmor2> apachelogger: wow dude you have anger like pulse has volume :D
[13:27] <shadeslayer_> xnox: could you have a look at bug 1182784
[13:27] <shadeslayer_> I can't reproduce it
[13:28] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_, apachelogger was looking for you everywhere-.-
[13:30] <shadeslayer_> ??
[13:31] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: why were you looking for me?
[13:32] <shadeslayer_> I didn't break whatever is broken 
 bug 923587
 bug 923587 in networkmanagement (Ubuntu) "No openconnect support in plasma-widget-networkmanagement" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923587
[13:32] <yofel> -*- apachelogger does the regression dance
 shadeslayer: oh might Riddell replacement what shall we do
[13:32] <yofel> -*- apachelogger pokes shadeslayer witha  long pointy stick
[13:32] <apachelogger> also
[13:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: what script is used to update language-pack-kde-*
[13:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: also any objections to me dropping kdevelop/kdev l10n from those package's depends
[13:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: also what do we do with about-distro's broken processor label
[13:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: do we have a fix for kdesudo yet?
[13:35]  * apachelogger thinks shadeslayer_ will not ever want to replace Riddell again :P
[13:36] <debfx> how does one install a new locale these days?
[13:36] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_ can't replace Riddell :P
[13:36] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: dunno regarding lang-pack-kde-* 
[13:37] <apachelogger> dunno doesn't quite cut it I am afraid
[13:37] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: no @ regarding depends
[13:37] <apachelogger> we have pointless crap on the ISO
[13:37] <apachelogger> only other solution is stop putting l10n on the ISO
[13:37] <apachelogger> debfx: locale kcm
[13:38] <smartboyhw> Stop putting l10n is not an option...
[13:39] <debfx> apachelogger: and what does it do? I assume it doesn't look at the language-selector date anymore
[13:41] <apachelogger> it does
[13:41] <debfx> regarding crap on the cd: moving ubuntu-sso-client from recommends to suggests in muon-discover will probably remove a bunch of packages from the image
[13:42] <apachelogger> debfx: maps kde langaugecode to ubuntu langaugecode then checks langauge-selector file with pkg mappings (e.g. libreoffice-foo wants libreoffice-l10n), then queries qapt and installs rubbish
[13:42] <apachelogger> -> afk
[13:42] <apachelogger> debfx: we do need it though I think
[13:42] <apachelogger> for comments and ratings
[13:49] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: we want to fix the processor label, if it's a bug in solid I can talk to afiestas_ and try and get it fixed
[13:49] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: kdesudo fix, yofel tested it and said it didn't work for him
[13:49] <shadeslayer_> but it worked for me
[13:49] <shadeslayer_> so not sure what's going on
[13:56] <yofel> shadeslayer_: how did you test, maybe I did it wrong?
[13:56] <shadeslayer_> yofel: I installed the kdesudo package , then set my language to german, and ran the command kdesudo in console
[13:56] <shadeslayer_> gave me a error message in german
[14:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: just upload the tar somewhere :P
[14:10] <yofel> shadeslayer_: nvm, works now, I did something wrong
[14:10] <yofel> on that topic: what did you even change?
[14:10] <apachelogger> po/ contained empty po files
[14:11] <ScottK> Anyone have anything they are considering uploading that we need to get in before a respin?
[14:11] <yofel> apachelogger: really o.O?
[14:11] <apachelogger> yes
[14:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: What and how long do you need?
[14:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes to yofel ^^
[14:12] <apachelogger> nothing pressing on my plate right now
[14:12] <ScottK> Ah. OK.
[14:12] <ScottK> Great.
[14:12] <apachelogger> oh
[14:12] <apachelogger> actually
[14:12] <apachelogger> about-distro coudl do with a fix
[14:12] <apachelogger> even have one, just need to package it
[14:14] <ScottK> OK.  Talk to infinity about it in #u-release when it's ready.  I'm about to vanish offline for awhile.
[14:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: that's not urgent to have in a respin though the changes have no chance for regression anyway
[14:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: We're doing a respin already.
[14:14] <apachelogger> can wait then ;)
[14:14] <ScottK> OK.
[14:22] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: yofel http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kdesudo/kdesudo_3.4.2.4+repack-2ubuntu2~ppa1.dsc
[14:22] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: Is you kdesudo work intended for saucy?
[14:22] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: yes
[14:22] <ScottK> Can it be an SRU?
[14:23] <shadeslayer_> uhm .... would prefer that it be fixed for the final release
[14:24] <AndChat|545664> Hello
[14:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: if it still fits on the ISO....
[14:25] <shadeslayer_> heh
[14:25] <apachelogger> not joking
[14:25] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: so lets fix the ISO?
[14:25] <apachelogger> we are at 1GiB, so that is a matter of bytes
[14:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: that's what I asked you for, then you said I dunno
[14:26] <shadeslayer_> regarding the l10n?
[14:26] <apachelogger> yes
[14:26] <apachelogger> easiest fix anyway
[14:26] <apachelogger> second easiest is probably preventing engb from getting on the ISO
[14:26] <apachelogger> though that may be becasue language-base-en deps it
[14:26]  * shadeslayer_ looks
[14:26] <apachelogger> so that may not actually be trivial at all
[14:27] <apachelogger> worst case scenario we have to drop the game
[14:27] <shadeslayer_> not the game :(
[14:27] <apachelogger> which is not a bad thing because it looks fing terrible in the menu
[14:27] <apachelogger> got submenus
[14:27] <apachelogger> ...
[14:27] <apachelogger> kickoff is just rubbish WRT single-item menus
[14:27] <apachelogger> it shoudl just flatten them out
[14:27] <apachelogger> but it doesnt
[14:28] <apachelogger> so you get Games->CardGames->Kittens->KittensCardGameBestOfTheWorldHashTagKittenHashTagOccupygovernment
[14:28] <shadeslayer_> :D
[14:29] <apachelogger> new review type for 14.04
[14:29] <apachelogger> ISO content review
[14:29]  * debfx is sad because he has no kittens card game :(
[14:31] <shadeslayer_> why is there kdevelop-l10n on the CD :S
[14:31] <shadeslayer_> and libktorrent-l10n
[14:31] <apachelogger> see backlog....
[14:31] <shadeslayer_> whaiiii
[14:31] <apachelogger> libktorrent makes sense
[14:31] <apachelogger> because we have ktorrent on the ISO
[14:31] <apachelogger> kdev* not so much
[14:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: hurry then. talk to infinity in #u-release if l'm not around. 
[14:33] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: backlog doesn't explain how it landed there
[14:35] <apachelogger> >>> apt-cache show language-pack-kde-de |grep Depends
[14:35] <apachelogger> Depends: language-pack-de, kde-l10n-de, k3b-i18n, kdevelop-l10n, kdevelop-php-docs-l10n, kdevelop-php-l10n, calligra-l10n-de
[14:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[14:35] <shadeslayer> o_o
[14:35] <apachelogger> introduced by Riddell in quantal
[14:35] <apachelogger> I have no idea why
[14:35] <apachelogger> but it is wrong and should be fixed
[14:35] <shadeslayer> I don't see language-pack-kde-de in the manifest?
[14:35] <apachelogger> oh
[14:35] <shadeslayer> uhm
[14:35] <shadeslayer> libgettextpo-dev:amd64	0.18.1.1-10ubuntu3
[14:35] <apachelogger> language-pack-kde-de	1:13.10+20130813.0ubuntu1
[14:35] <shadeslayer> on the CD
[14:36] <shadeslayer> why do we have a -dev package on the ISO
[14:36] <shadeslayer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/pending/saucy-desktop-amd64.manifest
[14:36]  * apachelogger notes that letting his phone idle on upnp device search is bad for battery
[14:37] <apachelogger> libgettextpo-dev                 | gettext                          | gettext                                  | Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>      |          149402 |             515
[14:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[14:37] <debfx> shadeslayer: they are pulled in by language-pack-kde-en
[14:38] <apachelogger> oh
[14:38] <apachelogger> oho
[14:38] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhoooooooooooooooooooo
[14:38] <apachelogger> we have aptdaemon
[14:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I'd definitely hold respin right now
[14:38] <apachelogger> aptdaemon definitely should not be on the seed
[14:39] <shadeslayer> wtf happened to the seeds :/
[14:39] <apachelogger> python3-aptdaemon.pkcompat       | aptdaemon                        | ubuntu-drivers-common (Recommends)       | Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>      |           36860 |             269
[14:39] <apachelogger> wtf
[14:39] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:39] <apachelogger> WHAT DA FUCK
[14:39] <debfx> pulled in by ubuntu-drivers-common
[14:39]  * apachelogger throws keyboard at channel wall
[14:39] <shadeslayer> but we don't depend on u-d-c 
[14:39] <shadeslayer> we still use jockey
[14:40] <apachelogger> s-p probably deps on u-d-c
[14:40] <apachelogger> this pulls in all sorts of shit
[14:40] <apachelogger> ubuntu-drivers-common            | ubuntu-drivers-common            | Kubuntu.Saucy desktop-common seed        | Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>      |           34202 |             222
[14:40] <apachelogger> actually it's an explicit seed
[14:40] <shadeslayer> I don't see it in the seed
[14:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: afiestas_ tells me he has a fix for the processor bug
[14:41]  * apachelogger sighs in despair
[14:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: weeeh
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Guys, keep calm......
[14:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: desktop-common is platform seed I think
[14:41] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[14:42] <debfx> it's also pulled in by ubiquity
[14:42] <apachelogger> debfx: not according to germinate
[14:43] <debfx> it probably doesn't show dependencies when it's explicitly seeded anyway
[14:43] <apachelogger> possible
[14:44] <apachelogger> well
[14:44] <apachelogger> to get this handled globally
[14:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I'd make a fake package muon-pkcompat-stub ... change u-d-c to Recommends: aptdaemonblahblah | muon-pkcompat-stub ... seed muon-pkgcompat-stub for kubuntu-desktop
[14:45] <shadeslayer> ugh
[14:45] <apachelogger> then whenever we pick up u-d-c we provide the stub package and transition
[14:46] <apachelogger> it would totally help if jon the taco was here.....
[14:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's my suggestion anyway, u-release may have more sensible ideas :P
[14:47] <shadeslayer> and what do you want to do about l10n
[14:47] <shadeslayer> because we also have to solve that
[14:47] <apachelogger> may be that aptdaemon alone would give enough buffer for 13.10
[14:47] <apachelogger> it's a whole pile of dirt that is pulled in by it
[14:48] <apachelogger> for l10n I'd remove the dep from the metapackage
[14:48] <apachelogger> or demote to suggests
[14:48] <apachelogger> alas, I have no idea whether there is a script to manage these metapackages
[14:49]  * apachelogger ponders introducing a separate board to manage reveiw deadlines for 14.04
[14:49] <apachelogger> half the cards on my screen are reviews
[14:49] <shadeslayer> review the reviews
[14:49] <debfx> I'm sure u-release will be pleased if we start mass uploading all kde lang packages ^^
[14:49] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:50] <apachelogger> well, it's just the metapackages :P
[14:50] <apachelogger> easy review
[14:50] <apachelogger> in fact
[14:50] <apachelogger> we could also just fiddle with the important ones
[14:51] <apachelogger> actually only -de -engb
[14:51] <apachelogger> there's no space for any other language anyway
[14:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^ least impactful proposal
[14:52] <apachelogger> whatever pleases u-relase :P
[14:54]  * shadeslayer thinks fiddling with language-pack-kde-{en,de} is a better solution for now
[14:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and since we are holding respin perhaps ask them nicely to push about-distro through so it gets in as well
[14:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also does u-release agree with that course of action? :P
[14:55] <shadeslayer> haven't asked
[14:55] <shadeslayer> asking now
[14:57] <apachelogger> ohm
[14:57] <apachelogger> them packages are a mess already
[14:57] <apachelogger> -de depends calligra-l10n, -en does not
[14:58] <apachelogger> instead -en depends on kde-l10n-engb twice
[14:58] <apachelogger> oh there is no calligra-engb surprise
[14:59] <afiestas_> apachelogger: shadeslayer https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/113242/
[14:59] <afiestas_> please, test it on older kubuntu to make sure that it works with the old udev
[15:01] <apachelogger> good thing I am on raring then xD
[15:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I have changes for -de/en ready
 shadeslayer: Also, the point of langpacks is to actually give language support for all your stuff.  That might not be the best solution.
 shadeslayer: Anyhow, I'd rather just raise the limit than try to hack things too hard here.
[15:02] <shadeslayer> raise limit ^^ ? :P
[15:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: limit?
[15:03] <afiestas_> apachelogger:  does this file exists in your system? /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
[15:03] <apachelogger> afiestas_: that's a directory, and it exists
[15:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: limit of the ISO
[15:04] <shadeslayer> *size limit of the ISO
[15:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that does not have kubuntu council backing right now
[15:04] <afiestas_> apachelogger: so if you do solid-hardware query "Is Processor"
[15:04] <shadeslayer> join #ubuntu-release plz
[15:04] <afiestas_> it returns nothing?
[15:09] <apachelogger> afiestas_: I am an old udev
[15:09] <apachelogger> I get all my cores if I query
[15:09] <apachelogger> udi = '/org/kde/solid/udev/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXCPU:00' to 07
[15:10] <afiestas_> apachelogger: so this file exists as well? /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/sysdev/cpufreq
[15:10] <apachelogger> >>> file /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/sysdev/cpufreq
[15:10] <apachelogger> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/sysdev/cpufreq: ERROR: cannot open `/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/sysdev/cpufreq' (No such file or directory)
[15:14] <apachelogger> building patch
[15:16] <apachelogger> ohm
[15:16] <apachelogger> afiestas_: stack exhaustion with the patch
[15:16] <apachelogger> inside strcpy
[15:16] <shadeslayer> o_o
[15:16]  * shadeslayer is building package for saucy
[15:17] <apachelogger> or maybe I am doing it wrong :O
[15:17] <apachelogger> where could the patch cause bogus strcpy
[15:21] <apachelogger> inside qlocale
[15:21] <apachelogger> WTF
[15:21] <apachelogger> today is really not my day
[15:27] <BluesKaj> we have weird problem , a user is able get to a desktop , but he can't get to a TTY , just a blank screen with blinking cursor , any dieas ?
[15:30] <afiestas_> apachelogger: I'd say... that's not my bug xD
[15:34] <apachelogger> afiestas_: yeah, rebuilding all of kdelibs now
[15:35] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: bad init maybe
[15:36] <apachelogger> or bad kernel mode setting
[15:36] <apachelogger> can be many things
[15:36] <apachelogger> if `ps -A |grep tty` lists a bunch of getty tasks the TTYs are running, suggesting a problem with KMS
[15:37] <BluesKaj> thanks apachelogger , we'll check that out 
[15:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: uploaded
[15:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: afiestas_'s patch works for me
[15:56] <apachelogger> you are not on raring, are you? :P
[15:56] <shadeslayer> no
[15:56] <shadeslayer> ofcourse not :P
[15:58] <ScottK> Looking
[15:58] <ScottK> Or not.
[15:59] <apachelogger> lol
[16:00] <apachelogger> l10n is WAAAAAY better than raring
[16:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: in saucy?
[16:00] <apachelogger> yus
[16:01] <shadeslayer> are you being sarcastic?
[16:01] <apachelogger> not sure if Riddell got patched l10n/kubuntu l10n sorted though
[16:01] <shadeslayer> I cannot tell
[16:01] <apachelogger> I dared not open the kubuntu apps
[16:01] <apachelogger> kubotu: 8ball does kubuntu l10n work?
[16:01]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... outlook not so good
[16:01] <apachelogger> oh my
[16:01] <shadeslayer> :(
[16:01] <apachelogger> that's totally pitti's fault though :P
[16:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and your ISO bug is a bit bad
[16:03] <shadeslayer> ISO bug?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:03] <shadeslayer> langpacks on my machine?
[16:03] <apachelogger> in LANG
[16:03] <shadeslayer> right
[16:03] <shadeslayer> can you explain what the heck is happening there?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> because I logged out/in and it works
[16:03] <shadeslayer> + now
[16:03] <apachelogger> well not why your system insist on being german :P
[16:04] <apachelogger> but the bogus encoding in env comes from klocale/qlocale/kcm getting confused
[16:04] <shadeslayer> oic
[16:04] <apachelogger> basically if it canot detect the encoding it goes we be using ISO
[16:04] <apachelogger> can have terrible fallout
[16:04] <apachelogger> so that needs fixing
[16:05] <apachelogger> though I am not sure how that could happen because that was supposed to be fixed in .04 even -.-
[16:06] <apachelogger> unless you had a bad env since .04 pre-release
[16:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is that $HOME older than .04 final?
[16:06] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:06] <apachelogger> bad
[16:07] <shadeslayer> IIRC I repartitioned when installing saucy]
[16:08] <apachelogger> bug 1234106 is also pretty eww
[16:08] <shadeslayer> how would one go about fixing that
[16:08] <apachelogger> find someone who knows setup.py and inttool
[16:08] <apachelogger> because I think in theory it can extrac qt ui files, it just doesn't for some reason
[16:09] <apachelogger> otherwise one would have to twiddle in kubuntu-l10n stuff
[16:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I cannot corrupt my encoding btw
[16:10] <shadeslayer> it works perfectly for you?
[16:11] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:11] <shadeslayer> *shrug*
[16:12] <shadeslayer> like d_ed would say
[16:12] <shadeslayer> maybe I was being a muppet
[16:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you by any chance start the kcm/systemsettings with LANG=C?
[16:13] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[16:13] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: saw your mails about the trello boards
[16:13] <ovidiu-florin> regarding the UFW-KDE project, the code is up on the repo.
[16:14] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:14] <ovidiu-florin> what's next?
[16:14] <apachelogger> wait for 14.04 development to open
[16:14] <apachelogger> can't do much until then
[16:14] <ovidiu-florin> I'll test the code in a VM
[16:14] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:14] <ovidiu-florin> on 13.10
[16:14] <ovidiu-florin> is that ok/?
[16:14] <apachelogger> next step would be a code and UI review
[16:14] <apachelogger> see if things need fixing etc.
[16:14] <apachelogger> then package for 14.04
[16:14] <ovidiu-florin> ok ;)
[16:18] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/KZzeZJQ.png
[16:18] <apachelogger> kubuntu l10n still kaput
[16:18] <apachelogger> you know
[16:18] <apachelogger> for 14.04 I'll just write an own script to handle that stuff
[16:20] <shadeslayer> cool
[17:00] <apachelogger> quick look at lunchpad api makes me doubt that one can actually do that :O
[17:03] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/langpack-o-matic/main/revision/446
[17:03] <apachelogger> one gets to wonder
[17:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: They accept patches to extend the API if needed.
[17:05] <apachelogger> because I am a very useful python web programmer :P
[17:06] <BluesKaj> well, NM seems to be working fine , but the vpn connection icon isn't appearing. When connected via vpn the NM icon has a red dsiconnected icon showing on top of it
[17:07] <BluesKaj> openvpn connection that is 
[17:08] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: bugs.kde.org
[17:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: I suppose that is somewhat complicated actually... you can get all templates and all translation files of all templates but there is simply no facility to download the file (well, and for the oddest of all reasons a translation file is not linked to a language apiwise)
[17:11] <apachelogger> though the per-language download is also not supported via the web ui
[17:11] <apachelogger> so I suppose that this simply does not exist at all
[17:18] <apachelogger> ohohoho
[17:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: kubuntu-patched-l10n is in the language-pack
[17:18] <apachelogger> the other rubbish is not
[17:23] <apachelogger> I pinged the pitti
[17:23] <apachelogger> if we could get that resolved for final that would be uberawesome
[17:23] <apachelogger> and with that I am off
[17:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^ in case you want to follow up on that as well
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ack tracking that
[17:28] <shadeslayer> I'm around for another half an hour 
[18:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer, apachelogger: Win - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20131014.1/ - no complaints about oversize with the new kdesudo.
[19:46] <ahoneybun> hey lordievader
[19:48] <ahoneybun> so what is included in the 13.10 kubuntu-docs package?
[23:47] <apol> apachelogger: http://commits.kde.org/muon/507369783f3dc6d485866071c66cce88683f69cb
[23:47] <apol> this should fix the problem you told me about
[23:47] <apol> apachelogger: btw, it wasn't reported on bko