[00:00] <wilee-nilee> thats good, it can be funky that is why I use the actual sources
[00:01] <zeep> doesn't work with this ppa: ppa:kilian/f.lux
[00:02] <zeep> eh it's a unique case. not worth looking into
[00:06] <zeep> so the release is this thursday, didn't know it was so close ;o
[00:11] <Ponch0> hey guys anyone here willing to help a noob out set up his network? i'm desperate with no internet on my laptop, neither the wired or wireless are working
[00:23] <Ponch0> my internet worked during install, is there anyway i can boot from install cd to set up my internet card ?
[02:31] <nether> Hi there. I'm having an issue getting ibus to work under gnome 3 in 13.10. It is configured with ibus-setup and the default IM is set to i-bus. The daemon appears to be running, it does not show in gnome, nor do any commands let me change input method to Japanese (using mozc, which is set as the the ibus default input method). Is there anyone please able to offer suggestions? I couldn't find the answer on google or in documentation.
[03:01] <trism> nether: in 13.10 the setup has moved to the keyboard layout settings, if you go to the layout settings and add "Japanese (Mozc)" you will get a keyboard panel icon in the gnome shell panel
[03:04] <nether> trism, oh I see! You're 100% right, actually that was a little confusing because I was so accustomed to doing it the "old way". I had looked at that earlier today but didn't actually search "mozc" within the input selection options - it was already set to Japanese/日本語 which actually did nothing apart from let me type with a Japanese keyboard layout.
[03:04] <nether> trism, thanks so much for that :)
[03:06] <trism> nether: it has confused a bunch of us so far, hopefully there will be a release note about it
[03:08] <nether> trism, I certainly hope so! On the other hand, the change is probably for the best in the long run. I think it's easier this way once you know.
[03:08] <trism> nether: definitely
[07:33] <DzAirmaX> hi all
[07:33] <DzAirmaX> someone already encounter problems with update-motd ?
[10:58] <ypwong> I can't upgrade to 13.10 on a 13.04 box with update-manager -d
[10:58] <ypwong> the update-manager dialog says there's 13.10 available. But after clicking it, it writes "No new release found" to terminal
[11:01] <k1l> what does "sudo do-release-upgrade -d " bring?
[11:02] <ypwong> k1l, "No new release found"
[11:02] <k1l> what is the release-propmt?
[11:02] <k1l> *prompt
[11:03] <ypwong> k1l, you mean /etc/issue?
[11:04] <k1l> cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[11:04] <ypwong> Prompt=normal
[12:23] <Reacto> How do I upgrade to 13.10?
[12:24] <Reacto> When I have 13.04 and win8 dual booted
[12:24] <Reacto> do I have to first remove the 13.04 + grub partitions?
[12:25] <philinux> Reacto: to do this in 13.04 open a terminal and use > update-manager -d
[12:25] <philinux> make sure you on good net connection. alternatively you can upgrade using the iso on a usb stick
[12:25] <Reacto> ye I'm trying to use the iso
[12:26] <Reacto> but the only options are to install alongside oses and wipe everything
[12:26] <Reacto> the former would just install 13.10 next to 13.04 and win8 right?
[12:26] <philinux> Reacto: supposed to offer to upgrade
[12:26] <philinux> i've never tried it myself
[12:26] <Reacto> ye I thought so but it doesnt
[12:27] <Reacto> Install Ubuntu alongside them, Erase disk and install Ubuntu
[12:27] <Reacto> + Something else
[12:28] <cebor> hi, i user ubuntu saucy on my laptop with an external monitor, when i close the lid an reopen it my internal lcd does not get reactivated. anybody else with this problem, or does it work correctly for somebody?
[12:29] <cebor> user = use
[12:31] <philinux> Reacto: what does something else offer
[12:32] <Reacto> just a partition screen
[12:32] <philinux> ah ok.
[12:34] <philinux> Reacto: are you connected to net when trying upgrade from usb
[12:34] <Reacto> No, apparently not
[12:35] <philinux> ah you need to be for option to appear apparently
[12:35] <Reacto> hm
[12:35] <Reacto> not sure if there's something wrong with the drivers then
[12:35] <Reacto> because the lancable is in
[12:36] <philinux> Reacto: http://askubuntu.com/questions/283026/offline-upgrade-from-ubuntu-12-10-to-13-04-using-the-installation-disk
[12:36] <Reacto> nevermind, someone had actually taken my ethernet cable out from the router
[12:36] <Reacto> thought it was a bug
[12:36] <Reacto> jeez
[12:36] <Reacto> i'll try now
[12:37] <philinux> let me know if works
[12:37] <Reacto> checking now
[12:37] <philinux> Reacto: that link explains the reason for net being needed
[12:37] <philinux> news to me too
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:41] <Reacto> nope, didn't work :(
[12:41] <Reacto> and I had net this time
[12:44] <Reacto> I'll just do a clean install
[12:48] <philinux> Reacto: did you reboot the live usb
[12:48] <Reacto> yep
[12:48] <philinux> weird innit
[12:48] <Reacto> mhm
[12:48] <philinux> I'll have to try that on my 13.04 desktop
[12:48] <philinux> on my 13.10 lappy just now
[12:49] <Reacto> hm
[12:49] <Reacto> How come my ubuntu partitions are locked in gparted, but they're not mounted?
[12:49] <Reacto> umount says they're not at least
[12:50] <philinux> I prefer the utility Disks
[12:50] <elfy> swap in use locking extended  perhaps
[12:50] <Reacto> how do I disable the swap?
[12:50] <Reacto> tried umounting the swap partition
[12:50] <elfy> swapoff -a
[12:51] <elfy> or right click in gparted - swapoff
[12:52] <Reacto> hm that worked
[12:52] <Reacto> but on deleting I ge tthis error:
[12:52] <Reacto> "Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/sdc5 -- Device or resource busy"
[12:52] <Reacto> think sdc5 was the swap
[12:52] <Reacto> nah, it was the ubuntu partition
[12:53] <philinux> Reacto: maybe this why upgrade not offered by ubiquity
[12:53] <Reacto> hm
[12:53] <Reacto> it's a libparted bug
[12:54] <Reacto> i'll try clicking ignore and see if it deleted it anyway
[12:55] <Reacto> hm, gparted says its unallocated after a reboot
[13:01] <Reacto> How can the installer still think I've got multiple oses when I've removed both ubuntu, the linux swap and the grub partition?
[13:07] <philinux> Reacto: hang on i'm just cooking the usb with the daily live i zsynced
[13:08] <Reacto> I removed the ubuntu partition and what I thought was the grub partition, but I still have grub rescue
[13:08] <Reacto> so need to remove that I guess
[13:08] <bekks> Reacto: Grub is installed in the MBR of a disk or at the boot sector of a partition. Removing the package doesnt affect that.
[13:09] <elfy> there is a 'error informing kernel bug' kicking about Bug 1220165
[13:09] <Reacto> ye but can't I use chroot?
[13:09] <bekks> Reacto: For what?
[13:09] <Reacto> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1581099
[13:09] <bekks> Reacto: a chroot would not affect what I said above.
[13:09] <Reacto> or is there any way to remove grub from the grub rescue terminal?
[13:10] <bekks> Reacto: You have to manually clean the MBR or the boot sector.
[13:10] <bekks> Reacto: Do you want to get rid of Ubuntu or do you want to fix your grub installation?
[13:10] <Reacto> get rid of ubuntu
[13:10] <Reacto> I already deleted the ubuntu partition
[13:10] <Reacto> I'm getting rid of it so I can clean install 13.10
[13:11] <bekks> You can do so with grub still being in the MBR/boot sector.
[13:11] <Reacto> but the ubuntu installer still thinks I've got two OSes installed, so need to fix that
[13:11] <elfy> then don't worry about what grub is saying - just clean install and it will reinstall grub
[13:11] <bekks> Then fix the grub menu after installing.
[13:11] <Reacto> ye but I can't clean install
[13:11] <bekks> You can.
[13:11] <Reacto> usually there's an option to install ubuntu alongside windows
[13:11] <Reacto> now it says install ubuntu alongside other oses
[13:11] <bekks> And?
[13:11] <Reacto> should I just try that then?
[13:12] <elfy> then use the erase and install option
[13:12] <Reacto> ye but then it will erase win8 too right?
[13:12] <elfy> oh yea - don't do that :)
[13:12] <bekks> Why dont you fix the grub menu after installation?
[13:12] <bekks> Thats more easy than messing around to clean the mbr.
[13:13] <Reacto> k I'll try that
[13:13] <Reacto> How would I fix the grub menu after installing?
[13:13] <bekks> !grub2 | Reacto
[13:15] <Reacto> I have three drives, and I'm not sure which drive I installed grub into the last time
[13:15] <Reacto> which kind of sucks, since then I'll have two grub installs if I install grub to a different drive now right?
[13:16] <Reacto> wait, I guess I can check what HDD I'm booting into normally, I guess grub must be on that one derp
[13:20] <Reacto> Unable to install grub in /dev/sda, this is a fatal error
[13:21] <Reacto> trying to install to a different hdd
[13:23] <BluesKaj> Reacto. frub like sto install to the mbr , and if you have a particular drive as /dev/sda then that's the logical place to look and install grub to'
[13:23] <Reacto> it completed, however it didnt seem to install grub to the drive I chose
[13:24] <Reacto> booting it only gives me the grub console
[13:24] <Reacto> I guess I can fix this frm the live usb though?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> usually determined by the hdd drive first in the bios
[13:26] <Reacto> "Path /boot/grub is not readable by GRUB on boot"
[13:27] <Reacto> trying to run grub-install /dev/sdc
[13:27] <BluesKaj> ok good luck
[13:28] <Reacto> :(
[13:29] <thebishop> yikes, AMD graphics went sideways over the weekend
[13:29] <thebishop> was working well last week
[13:30] <thebishop> lots of compiz errors
[13:34] <Reacto> bootrepaired fixed it
[13:34] <philinux> Reacto: same here - no offer to upgrade via iso
[13:35] <philinux> just the usual stuff
[13:35]  * elfy saw something relating to that philinux 
[13:35] <philinux> elfy: bug report or forum thread
[13:36] <elfy> bug
[13:36] <elfy> trying to find it
[13:36] <elfy> at least sort of a bug
[13:36] <philinux> Reacto: zsync up todate new usb live created. tried from try ubuntu and from istall. same thing
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Reacto. ok ,now take a look at where boot repair installed grub
[13:36] <Reacto> weird
[13:36] <Reacto> well, it works now at least
[13:37]  * philinux waits for elfy's google foo
[13:37] <elfy> philinux: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1229511
[13:37] <elfy> not a bug for what you've seen - but a bug for something else that talks about it
[13:40] <philinux> elfy: same thing really
[13:41] <elfy> yea - but if there is a bug then fixing the testcase one won't do anything with it :)
[13:41] <philinux> elfy: except my desktop only has ubuntu on it. just / /swap and /data
[13:41] <elfy> perhaps there is an upgrade bug then
[13:46] <philinux> elfy: Ah I wonder if you need the alternate version
[13:59] <philinux> Reacto: elfy sussed it. live usb is detecting that I have 13.04 on sda and 13.10 on sdb so it wont offer upgrade
[14:00] <philinux> would work if there was only sda with buntu on it.
[14:51] <elfy> philinux: that bug I linked is just for testcases - nothing to do with anything else :)
[14:52] <philinux> elfy: yeah realise that now. I said that in the thread I raised in U+1. I don't think it's a bug as such ...
[14:53] <philinux> more a feature
[14:53] <elfy> yea
[15:12] <wastrel> apport-bug linux  isn't working - how do i report kernel bugs?
[15:14] <elfy> ubuntu-bug linux
[15:14] <BluesKaj> wastrel.update and upgrade first
[15:15] <elfy> works ok here
[15:17] <wastrel> hangs forever "collecting problem information"
[15:21] <wastrel> updated & upgraded, still not working
[15:24] <BluesKaj> any ideas why TTYs disappear ?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> we have a weird problem , a user is able get to a desktop , but he can't get to a TTY , just a blank screen with blinking cursor , any dieas ?
[15:30] <sdn3rd> I recently did a dist-upgrade and now my r8169 doesn't detect when a cable is plugged in
[15:30] <sdn3rd> ie, i known good cat5 on a known good port
[15:30] <sdn3rd> it just shows unplugged
[15:30] <sdn3rd> reloading the kernel module doesn't fix it either, or rebooting etc
[15:32] <BluesKaj> sdn3rd,. run sudo dhclient
[15:33] <BluesKaj> err sudo dhclient etho
[15:33] <BluesKaj> damn can't seemt o get it right
[15:34] <BluesKaj> sdn3rd ignore the above
[15:34] <BluesKaj> interruptions galore here today , losing my concentration
[15:36] <wastrel> so do i need to run ubuntu-bug linux as root?
[15:36] <sdn3rd> nothing happens
[15:36] <sdn3rd> no return line
[15:36] <sdn3rd> just sits there
[15:36] <wastrel> or is there another mechanism to report my kernel bugs
[15:41] <sdn3rd> hmm nothing, static ip config doesnt work, network manager in gnome still shows unplugged
[15:41] <sdn3rd> Oct 14 11:41:11 nix-S405C dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255
[15:41] <sdn3rd> looks like dhclient is doing its thing
[15:42] <sdn3rd> moment i move the cable into my other laptop it lights up and words
[15:44] <wastrel> ⴾ[
[15:45] <sdn3rd> wastrel what kind of kernel bug?
[15:45] <sdn3rd> you can always send a text only email to kernel devs
[15:45] <sdn3rd> or participate in the mailing list
[15:46] <wastrel> sdn3rd: suspend/power management bug and a shutdown bug
[15:46] <wastrel> 2 separate issues i think
[15:46] <wastrel> in recent 13.10 kernels
[15:48] <sdn3rd> wastrel http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html
[15:48] <sdn3rd> those are the user lists
[15:49] <sdn3rd> you can send a bug report to the one that pertains to your issue
[15:49] <sdn3rd> plain text only tho
[15:49] <johnjohn101> 3 more days!!
[15:51] <BluesKaj> sudo dhclient eth0 , sdn3rd
[18:32] <edge731> hello, i need help with a graphics card, can somebody help me?
[18:33] <adamk> edge731: You need to just ask your question.
[18:35] <edge731> (ubuntu 13.10:AMD HD3200M)  i want to use unity and multiple programs that use 3D but: , unity does not work, xfce does, lshw shows card, glxinfo not, i already tried using old kernels from grub, there is a package i should reconfigure, thats related to my card?
[18:35] <adamk> edge731: Pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file.
[18:35] <edge731> it was working yesterday before an update
[18:36] <adamk> That doesn't change my response.
[18:39] <edge731> adamk: http://pastebin.com/MiPjRHLs
[18:40] <adamk> You installed the nvidia driver, and you're using a radeon GPU. That's not going to work. Uninstall the nvidia driver.
[18:41] <edge731> lol, i dont remembering doing that,... ??, what are the names of the packages?....
[18:41] <k1l> apt-get remove nvidia*
[18:44] <edge731> adamk: it says godbye to opencv-dev and nvidia-[setings-]319-updates... weird, do you know why opencv?, i remember now that i installed it before the problem
[18:46] <adamk> Presumably something in opencv requires an nvidia GPU with the nvidia drivers, though I don't know anything about that program, or why that would be a requirement.  Could just be a mistake with packaging, and nvidia is not actually required...
[18:48] <thebishop> is anyone getting terrible compiz performance + artifacts as of this weekend?
[18:48] <edge731> adamk: its a computer vision library, you could try it, its really good, rebooting
[18:50] <xarses> thebishop: yes more than normal
[18:50] <thebishop> xarses, i only started using 13.10 last monday and it was pretty solid out of the gate
[18:50] <k1l> edge731: see in apt log when you installed that
[18:50] <thebishop> then sometime saturday i must've grabbed some bad updates
[18:51] <xarses> thebishop, using it since june, this weekend has been the worst set up updates ever
[18:53] <edge731> adamk: thanks, it solved :)
[18:56] <thebishop> xarses, i guess i'll just wait for a fix... wish i hadn't installed this on my work pc but i figured the release is close enough that it would be stable
[18:59] <wastrel> thebishop: i see it after resuming from suspend sometimes
[18:59] <wastrel> v. bad performance
[18:59] <xarses> i have 1 broken wifi driver, NetworkManager is more or less useless, more tearing/viz artifacts, random interpretations of my power (sleep /suspend) policy, broken backlight driver (again). unity-pannel still 100%'s cpu (been weeks for that), compiz randomly misbehaving, usb3 randomly resets with higher bw usage
[18:59] <thebishop> wastrel, hmm, it's front and center for me.  intel graphics even.
[18:59] <xarses> intel here too
[19:00] <xarses> thebishop, did you restart with the new kernel?
[19:00] <xarses> it helped some when i was finally able to work around the backlight issue
[19:01] <thebishop> xarses, i installed 3.12rc4 from the mainline repo and saw the same problems as the stock 13.10 kernel from 3.11
[19:01] <xarses> ok
[19:02] <xarses> where is that? It might fix my damn wifi
[19:03] <thebishop> xarses, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ - scroll to bottom
[19:03] <thebishop> you need the image/headers for your arch as well as the "all" package
[19:05] <xarses> there is a rc5 from today
[19:19] <thebishop> xarses, yeah, maybe it'll fix your problem.  i don't think my problems are in the kernel
[19:25] <xarses> thebishop: thanks
[19:25]  * xarses crosses his fingers and toes
[19:38] <xarses> is anyone else having problems with unit-pannel-ser randomly taking large amounts of cpu?
[19:38] <xarses> unity-pannel-ser even
[19:38] <xarses> service
[19:40] <wastrel> unity panel service is weird and giant
[19:40] <wastrel> why is it 1GB of memory
[19:41] <wastrel> sorry 850MB
[19:46] <johnjohn101> wastrel, mine is taking 33.1MB
[19:50] <xarses> mines 42 with a 600m virt
[22:15] <tux_> what kernel version with 13.10 ship with ?
[22:15] <tux_> s/with/will
[22:15] <k1l> 3.11
[22:15] <tux_> thx
[22:21] <xarses> 3.11-broken :P
[22:21] <xarses> i have less driver issues with 3.10
[22:22] <tux_> AMD drivers performance looks good on 3.12
[22:22] <tux_> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_linux312_major&num=1
[22:39] <xarses> anything i can do to debug this ?
[22:39] <xarses> 22581 andreww   20   0 1408m 887m  11m R 100.1 11.5  16:15.57 unity-panel-ser
[22:39] <xarses> unity-pannel-service keeps 100% on the cpu randomly
[22:39] <xarses> usually several times a day
[22:39] <xarses> killing it clears the issue for a while
[23:29] <Papa_Doc> Hi i installed kde and it changed my login screen how do I change back to original? I
[23:29] <Papa_Doc> I'm on Ubuntu 13.10
[23:31] <IdleOne> !pureubuntu
[23:31] <trism> Papa_Doc: change greeter-session back to unity-greeter in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[23:31] <IdleOne> or that
[23:32] <trism> Papa_Doc: I'm assuming kubuntu is using lightdm-kde-greeter and not kdm, otherwise you might need: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm; to switch display managers
[23:33] <Papa_Doc> I'll try both those options out thank you