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Laneygood morning08:04
seb128good morning desktopers08:10
seb128Laney, hey, had a good beer festival this w.e? ;-)08:10
mlankhorstg'day08:10
Laneyseb128: yeah, was great thanks!08:13
Laneynot sure i managed even 1% of the 1,100 beers they had there ;-)08:13
seb128lol08:13
seb128crazy08:14
Laneyactually, I probably did08:14
Laneywas having 1/3 pints08:14
seb128so, how drunk are you still? :p08:14
Laneyso not too bad :P08:14
seb128hehe08:14
Laneyhow was your weekend?08:14
seb128quite good, I didn't do anything special though08:15
seb128I went for some shopping on saturday and hang around with friends, and yesterday I mostly relaxed (watched some tennis on TV, and went to spa in the afternoon)08:16
Laneysounds quite pleasant to me08:17
seb128it was ;-)08:18
seb128how do you know it's release week? when you start update-manager after the w.e and get 300M of updates08:36
seb128does it seem backward to anybody else? ;-)08:36
Laneyhaha08:36
Laneythere's a lot of no-changey stuff for arm6408:37
seb128right, I read -changes, still quite some churn ;-)08:37
Laneyyep08:38
* Laney looks into bug #118051308:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 1180513 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "lid close actions are ignored laptop always suspends" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118051308:38
seb128Laney, do you get the issue?08:38
* seb128 doesn't08:38
Laneyyes08:38
seb128Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/123866308:39
ubot2Launchpad bug 1238663 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Laptop suspends itself while on AC power" [Low,New]08:39
seb128Laney, if you need an open bug (it also has a g-s-d debug log)08:39
Laneyoh yeah saw that one too08:39
seb128(gnome-settings-daemon:17854): power-plugin-DEBUG: Doing a state transition: sleep08:39
seb128(gnome-settings-daemon:17854): power-plugin-DEBUG: TESTSUITE: Blanked screen08:39
seb128(gnome-settings-daemon:17854): power-plugin-DEBUG: no suspend delay inhibitor08:39
seb128that's weird08:39
seb128why the TESTSUITE output in there?08:40
seb128(gnome-settings-daemon:17854): power-plugin-DEBUG: TESTSUITE: Blanked screen08:40
seb128(gnome-settings-daemon:17854): power-plugin-DEBUG: Removing suspend delay inhibitor08:40
seb128 08:40
Laneyseems like they are in g_debugs08:40
seb128ok08:41
seb128I was wondering if the people having the issue were running tests or stuff that were playing with the inhibitors08:41
Laneyoh hmm08:49
Laneyit might have fixed itself after I restarted g-s-d08:50
seb128Laney, the issue would be some other code playing with the inhibitor...08:50
Laneyyeah it's not so easy as something which happens all the time08:55
alan_gHi, my desktop system stopped connecting to wired or wireless after I crashed X on Friday (I'm developing Mir). Even installing a fresh system image didn't fix - even though it works fine off the memory stick image. ifconfig shows the connections with TX/RX bytes incrementing a little after each connection retry. What to look at next?08:58
seb128is the debug log on that bug useful?08:58
seb128it does mention inhibitors being dropped08:58
seb128Laney, did you try Mir on the n7? /me ponders keeping the device on SF or upgrading09:02
seb128alan_g, hey, that seems weird ... it's like your hardware was in a weird state, but it shouldn't work from a live image then09:02
seb128alan_g, do you use a dhcp? do you get an ip?09:03
seb128sil2100, hey09:04
Laneyyeah, tried it a bit09:04
Laneykind of worked but I kept getting crashes and weird artifacts09:04
alan_gseb128: I use dhcp (the router shows the wired as connected, not the wireless)09:04
seb128Laney, is it usable or would upgrading ruin my device?09:05
seb128hum09:05
Laneyi think you can still remove that .display_mir file09:05
seb128oh, ok09:05
seb128great09:05
* seb128 tries09:05
Laneycheck first!09:05
seb128we archived the SF image anyway09:05
seb128so I can put that back if needed09:05
seb128alan_g, your description lacks a bit details to be useful... if you plug the cable, do you get an ip (e.g can you pastebin the ifconfig output)?09:06
seb128shrug09:07
seb128sil2100, did you meant to approve https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/update-build-number/+merge/190390 ? (you just comment approved)09:07
alan_gseb128: sorry, is a pain copying things across to laptop without network. is ifconfig the only one? Or can I do any others at the same time?09:08
seb128alan_g, so from ifconfig I'm trying to see if your eth is having an ip09:09
seb128if it doesn't there is a problem with the dhcp/getting an ip09:10
seb128if it has, I would ask you try to try to ping an ip on the local network (if you have another device you can ping there)09:10
alan_gseb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6235114/09:11
seb128so yeah, you have no ip ...09:11
seb128or no ipv4 ip at least (I don't know much about ipv6)09:12
seb128stgraber, ^ help, what info are useful to debug those sort of issues? :p09:12
seb128alan_g, I guess you can try to run "dhclient -v" and see if there is anything useful in the log...09:12
sil2100!\09:13
sil2100seb128: oh shit I was sure I top-approved09:13
alan_gseb128: "Not broadcast interfaces found"09:13
sil2100seb128: ehh, I actually took it for granted that it's in... ;)09:14
sil2100seb128: (hello!)09:14
seb128sil2100, it would help if you were reading your email/IRC :p I pinged you on both friday afternoon :/09:14
seb128sil2100, hey09:14
seb128sil2100, thanks for approving it ;-)09:15
sil2100Wait, ok that's not cool ;p Sorry about that, but I was sure I top-approved it, maybe I had LP issues when doing that09:15
seb128sil2100, no worry, it just that sometime you seem to miss pings, probably a suboptimal config/filtering on your side...09:16
sil2100seb128: do you remember when did you ping me on Friday? As I was AFK after 18:00 then for an appointement, so maybe it was then?09:17
seb128sil2100, no, but maybe I just commented on the mp ... I'm taking a note to IRC ping as well next time ;-)09:18
sil2100seb128: ok, so the problem is me not looking at Merge Proposal e-mails, but don't tell Didier! I should restart doing so, I stopped some time ago since I get like millions of them ;p09:21
Laneyyou should filter the ones you care about09:21
seb128sil2100, oh, please don't take hours to read everything ... what Laney said09:22
seb128sil2100, or at least filter on "X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale: Reviewer"09:22
seb128that's set when you review a mp, so you would get follow ups09:22
Laneyaha09:26
LaneyI can reproduce that bug if I plug/unplug the charger09:26
alan_gseb128: @"hardware in a weird state" - I thought of that and disconnected power for a few hours over weekend. :(09:29
seb128alan_g, well, if it works from a live image it's probably not that...09:29
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alan_gseb128: yeah.09:31
seb128alan_g, hum, I guess that trying to "dhclient eth0" or "sudo restart networking" makes no difference?09:35
seb128alan_g, our network guys are cyphermox and stgraber usually, but they are in Canada, which means it's early for them, and today is off for them as well...09:36
alan_gseb128: I thought I'd tried it on Friday, but "sudo restart networking" just crashed unity(!)09:37
seb128:-(09:37
alan_gHmm, can't even get a VT in text mode09:38
alan_gseb128: I'll leave it until tomorrow (unless you think of something else to try meanwhile)09:47
seb128alan_g, did you try to "dhclient eth0"? do you still get the no found interface error?09:48
alan_gseb128: I just got the prompt back09:49
seb128alan_g, use -v in case it has useful infos?09:49
alan_gseb128: Now I see an IP address...09:52
seb128alan_g, ah, progress!09:52
seb128can you ping machines on your network/outside?09:52
alan_gseb128: "Network is unreachable"09:53
alan_g(Or "Unknown host" if I try DNS)09:53
seb128alan_g, I don't know :/ is that a new install with new /etc and userconfig or did you restore your confg?09:55
seb128alan_g, you might want to try playing with the control center or network-manager settings...09:55
alan_gseb128: Currently in the original image.09:55
sil2100seb128: just to make sure! Does switching off cellular data works ;p ?10:15
sil2100i.e. does it really switch off the cellular data ;p?10:15
ogra_sil2100, it should set an rfkill block ... you can check with "rfkill list all"10:16
seb128sil2100, it's supposed to work, we do call to ofono and that's implemented10:17
seb128sil2100, but check as ogra said, who knows, there might be bugs10:17
sil2100Ok, thanks, will check that10:17
seb128Laney, you are there for the meeting tomorrow, right?10:19
Laneywhich meeting?10:19
seb128Laney, team meeting10:19
seb128weekly IRC meeting10:20
Laneyyeah10:20
Laneywhy?10:20
seb128Laney, can you lead it? I'm travelling to Canada tomorrow10:20
seb128(I'm going to offline mostly tomorrow btw, due to ^=10:20
seb128)10:20
Laneyah, sure10:20
seb128Laney, thanks10:20
Laneyaround the rest of the week?10:20
seb128yes, on Canadian time10:20
alan_gseb128: A bit more info - "dhclient eth0" gets an IP address with long lease (as per my setup) but this disappears in a few (variable) seconds. But while it exists the connection is actually up. I guess the earlier tests failed because it happened to lose it already.10:20
seb128I'm going to work with desrt&co from there until Oakland10:21
seb128well, first Montréal, then Toronto, then Oakland10:21
Laneyfun10:22
seb128alan_g, ok, weird ... at least it's not hardware issue, not sure if that could be a n-m problem, or fighting dhclients, or... better to check with cyphermox and stgraber tomorrow10:22
seb128Laney, yeah ;-)10:22
seb128*shrug*10:24
alan_gseb128: yeah. And it is useful to have a connection long enough to be able to do a "bzr push". ;)10:24
seb128device went flat during the w.e again10:24
Laneyseb128: can you try http://paste.ubuntu.com/6235309/ for me?10:24
Laneyrun it and plug/unplug ac a few times10:24
Laneysee if it prints the right thing10:24
seb128alan_g, you might want to try to check /var/log/syslog (or messages) for errors10:24
seb128Laney, buggy10:26
seb128On battery: no10:26
seb128On battery: yes10:26
seb128On battery: yes10:26
Laneyyeah that's what i get10:26
Laneyi think that's the essence of this bug10:26
seb128that's for "start docked, unplug charger, plug charger"10:26
Laneythe dbus property is right though if you watch that10:26
seb128Laney, upower is such a piece of c***10:28
Laneyhaha10:29
seb128Laney, I opened at least 5 bugs when doing the battery panel, and I've as many hacks in there to deal with upower bugs10:29
Laneydid they get any response?10:29
seb128no10:29
pittiLaney: hang on, we fixed a bug with libupower-glib property retrieval last week; did you try with 0.9.22?10:29
seb128just go a "do you have a patch" from Bastien on one of them on friday10:29
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seb128ii  upower                                                0.9.22-1                                       i386         abstraction for power management10:29
pittiack10:30
seb128pitti, ^10:30
Laneyyeah, that's what i have10:30
Laneypitti: can you reproduce it?10:30
seb128pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6235309/plain/ is the testcase10:30
alan_gseb128: a lot of http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6235334/10:32
Laneypitti: aha10:33
Laneyhttp://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/commit/?id=e4858d94343bba2afbebcd1a4925c981a38a957910:33
Laneyit's probably that; I just came to the same conclusion10:33
Laney"wtf, where does ret come from?"10:34
Laneywow, Bastien has pushed a load of stuff this morning10:35
Laneysome nice cleanups actually10:35
Laneyanyway, i'll cherry-pick that10:35
seb128great10:35
Laneyunless pitti wants to upload it to Debian10:36
seb128there are some other fixes in there that seems worth including10:36
LaneyI guess we're in SRU land now10:37
seb128yes10:37
pittiLaney: ouch10:37
Laneyyeah, that's pretty bad10:37
pittiLaney: should be fine, I still got stuff accepted a few hours ago10:37
seb128http://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/commit/?id=f3898db4d3a340e5a4245bb86c3291d109ae0349 is interesting as well10:37
pittiand this is rather bad10:37
Laneyinfinity: ^?10:37
Laneyare we close now?10:37
Laneyclosed10:38
seb128Laney, well, you can upload in any case, just include a bug reference ... if it doesn't make it to release it's going to be an SRU10:38
LaneyI guess so10:38
* Laney tests it ;-)10:38
pittiseb128: I'll update Debian as well, but waiting for the accept/import into LP is too long10:38
Laneyyeah10:39
LaneyI'll take http://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/commit/?id=fc5793e742d769febd3239bab8e88750457423ab too10:39
pittiso please go ahead, so that this lands in a few  mins10:39
Laneycrash fix10:39
pittiit's obviously correct10:39
pittiack10:39
pittiwow, hadess has been busy :)10:39
infinityLaney: We're closed after I have lunch, probably.  If you have some critical fixes, toss them in the queue and I'll reject if I don't want 'em.10:39
LaneyOK10:39
seb128pitti, indeed10:40
seb128alan_g, oh10:41
seb128alan_g, that apparmor DENY seems like worth opening a bug about10:42
seb128alan_g, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/119748410:43
ubot2Launchpad bug 1197484 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu) "Connection requests to saucy server VMs from a hosts fail after fresh VM installs" [High,Fix released]10:43
seb128alan_g, I guess you can try to "sudo aa-complain /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action" to see if that makes a difference10:46
Laneyyep, that fixed the bug10:47
seb128Laney, \o/10:47
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alan_gseb128: seems to make no difference - but I don't see the apparmor messages in the fresh image. But I do see: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6235425/11:08
seb128alan_g, weird, something doesn't work as it should in the dhcp ip negociation it seems ... it's not enough of my domain to help more11:09
seb128alan_g, you can probably configure a static ip to workaround it11:10
pittiLaney, infinity: upower upload LGTM, thanks!11:10
Laneywoot11:11
seb128\o/11:11
pitti(can't accept myself though, not in ~u-release)11:11
seb128I'm glad Bastien is making some cleaning in that codebase11:11
pittiindeed11:11
pittithe gdbus port is nice11:11
seb128because as said, it's quite buggy :/11:11
pittiwrt. dropping the old suspend stuff, we'll need to grep the archive for that11:12
pittibut it's still in the 0.9 branch11:12
alan_gseb128: I found a workaround - changing ip6 from "Automatic" to "Link Local Only" (but have no idea why that works).11:17
seb128pitti, right, a "t-cycle" item11:18
seb128alan_g, great, something to do with ipv6 then I guess11:18
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seb128didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6236138/ ... makes sense? should I upload?14:37
didrocksseb128: can I cry for not trailing comma in the dep? :)14:38
LaneyO_O14:38
seb128didrocks, lol, I can add that ;-)14:38
didrocksotherwise makes sense ;)14:38
didrocksplease go ahead ;)14:38
seb128thanks14:38
seb128Laney, if we make u-s-s use the new directories provides by ubuntu-touch-sounds, do you prefer a Depends or Recommends from u-s-s on the sounds?14:42
Laneywhat did it have before?14:42
seb128Laney, nothing, but that's probably an error :p14:42
seb128it used to list /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo from ubuntu-sounds14:43
seb128well, it still works if those are not installed14:43
seb128you just get no ringtone/message sounds to pick from in the ui14:43
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Laneyhmm14:44
seb128Laney, in the next iteration we are going to have a file picker and be able to pick files even if none are listed14:45
seb128but meanwhile...14:45
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LaneyProbably recommends if anything14:45
Laneywill you be seeding it?14:45
LaneyI think having it as a dep of the schemas is weird btw14:45
Laneywe managed to keep gsettings-desktop-schemas clean all this time14:45
seb128Laney, I've no strong opinion, feel free to reverse it to be seeded/no schemas depends14:46
seb128if you prefer one way to the other14:46
seb128it sort of make sense to bring the files corresponding to the default you set imho14:46
seb128otherwise installing the default leads you to a non working config14:46
Laneyyeah we have precedent for this with e.g. ubuntu-settings14:48
seb128did we discuss the way that was done and settle on the no depends/recommends?14:48
seb128or is that just the way it happened?14:48
seb128but as said, I've no strong preference, it feels like that if you write a config you should ensure that the config can work14:48
Laneymeh, it's already in14:50
seb128Laney, didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/sound-new-effects/+merge/190976 is the u-s-s  side14:50
LaneyI'll change it at some point in the future14:50
seb128Laney, well, we can always do another upload14:50
seb128Laney, or early in t-serie14:50
Laneyyeah14:50
LaneyI'll MP it for the seeds14:51
sil2100seb128, Laney: hey guys, you know of an easy way of running system-settings with USS_SHOW_ALL_UI=1 enabled on the phone?15:36
seb128sil2100, just adb shell to the device, su - phablet and run it15:37
seb128you get the debug output as a bonus point15:37
seb128sil2100, otherwise you can can copy the .desktop, change the name/command15:38
sil2100I modified the .desktop file but it doesn't start, that's why I'm asking ;) And when running from shell I was getting a segfault, but if that's the way to do that then maybe I have something wrong15:41
LaneyUSS_SHOW_ALL_UI=1 /usr/bin/system-settings --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/ubuntu-system-settings.desktop15:42
Laneywfm15:42
jasoncwarner_morning all, just saying "hi" as most americans and canadians are off ;)15:49
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chrisccoulson_lol, https://twitter.com/Sweetshark1/status/389782630020820992 ;)16:01
Laneymorning jasoncwarner_16:02
Laneychrisccoulson_: hah16:02
LaneyI guess you follow @NeedADebitCard :P16:03
chrisccoulson_Laney, yeah, i was wondering whether they'd retweet it ;)16:06
chrisccoulson_not sure if it's a bot16:06
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seb128Laney, hum, those translation warning as there for ever no?16:23
Laneydon't know16:23
Laneyfixed though16:23
seb128oh16:23
Laneythe email should arrive in a second16:23
seb128yeah, I reverted my changes16:23
seb128still there16:23
Laneyoh well, might as well fix it16:25
Laneycan do as a separate mp or you merge my branch into yours16:25
seb128sure16:25
seb128your call, I prefer to keep different changesets in the different commits16:25
seb128but I'm not going to make a fuss about it if you pick the other way ;-)16:26
seb128lol, you indentation freak ;-)16:26
Laneyhaha16:27
Laneyok i'll approve yours16:27
jasoncwarner_hey seb128 , curious, did those sounds ever make it in?16:29
seb128jasoncwarner_, hey, they have been landing today, not in the image yet, check with lool/asac/didrocks for that16:30
jasoncwarner_seb128 cool, thanks!16:30
seb128yw16:30
didrockswill be in image 9716:30
seb128\o/16:30
Laneywhat happened to the login sound?16:30
didrockskicked in a couple of hours16:30
seb128Laney, that got dropped, sabdfl didn't want it enough to do an overrule16:30
Laneyfair enough, I like the sound of that :-)16:31
seb128Laney, we also don't have login sound on by default/an UI to enable it16:31
seb128so virtually useless16:31
Laneyhuh, that is true16:31
Laneyis this what that guy designed for us?16:31
seb128designed?16:31
seb128well, he had one login sound16:32
Laneythe Mass Effect II composer or something16:32
Laneythere was some news about it the other month16:32
seb128oh, I've no idea about that16:32
AlanBellseb128: are the drums on ubiquity still there? (they were last week)16:32
Laneythat didn't change16:33
AlanBellok, cool16:33
seb128AlanBell, I guess so, we didn't change anything related to that16:33
seb128AlanBell, the talks was to use a different file for desktop-login, and then adding ringtones to touch16:33
seb128AlanBell, we just did the ringtones16:33
looljasoncwarner_: I'm just seeding the sounds as we speak16:33
loolhowever, I dont thin kthey are used yet16:33
loolseb128: are the settings bit also going in tonight?16:34
AlanBellyeah, that is fine, just the drums on the live cd are the "press ctrl+s for orca" cue16:34
seb128lool, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/0.0.1+13.10.20130730-0ubuntu216:34
seb128lool, that's in saucy16:34
seb128lool, so should be on the next image?16:34
Laneythe settings mp just got approved16:34
seb128right16:34
Laneyso assuming that gets released16:34
loolseb128: didn't even know we had this package16:34
seb128lool, so ^ should give you the new default for new installs16:34
Laney(+ merged)16:34
seb128then you need a settings landing, once the merge is in, for the Ui side (to get it to list the new sounds)16:35
loolseb128: cool16:35
seb128ok, on that note time for exercice16:37
seb128I'm going to be back a bit in the evening16:38
seb128Laney, thanks for handling the meeting tomorrow ;-)16:38
Laneynp16:38
Laneyhave a nice flight16:38
seb128ttyl from Zurich tomorrow, otherwise see you wednesday16:38
seb128thanks16:38
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jasoncwarner_hey larsu, just sent you another .crash file from datetime. hopefully this one comes through. not sure why they aren't uploading. let me know if you don't get it. charles fyi17:18
charlesjasoncwarner_: is there a ticket for the datetime crash?17:19
jasoncwarner_charles don't know mostly b/c it wasn't uploading properly. larsu thought it might be a known one already which is why I emailed the .crash file.17:43
charlesjasoncwarner_: ok, thanks17:44
charleslarsu: feel free to ping me if you see something ^17:44
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mlankhorstjasoncwarner_: oh I won't be here tomorrow, so for seb128's meeting: my action points: fixing xorg package-status debian versions. kernel fixes for radeon lock inversion. opened a conversation with android devs about fences/syncpoints. mesa 9.1.7 verification and mesa 9.2.1 upload.19:33
mlankhorstoh and fixed a particularly nasty mir bug that was a blocker for testing nested mir19:33
mlankhorstwhich took some time to find :P19:33
phillip_How to nominate a font for inclusion in the Ubuntu repository?22:34
phillip_The font is Courier Prime, hosted at http://http://quoteunquoteapps.com/courierprime/23:06
RAOFphillip_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages is the process for requesting a new package; font packages are reasonably simple, so you could probably do most of the work yourself (which makes it much more likely to get done ☺)23:48

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