=== thumper is now known as thumper-afk [05:59] aloha === Guest99228 is now known as amithkk [06:24] Hoi! === thumper-afk is now known as thumper [08:04] good morning [08:10] good morning desktopers [08:10] Laney, hey, had a good beer festival this w.e? ;-) [08:10] g'day [08:13] seb128: yeah, was great thanks! [08:13] not sure i managed even 1% of the 1,100 beers they had there ;-) [08:13] lol [08:14] crazy [08:14] actually, I probably did [08:14] was having 1/3 pints [08:14] so, how drunk are you still? :p [08:14] so not too bad :P [08:14] hehe [08:14] how was your weekend? [08:15] quite good, I didn't do anything special though [08:16] I went for some shopping on saturday and hang around with friends, and yesterday I mostly relaxed (watched some tennis on TV, and went to spa in the afternoon) [08:17] sounds quite pleasant to me [08:18] it was ;-) [08:36] how do you know it's release week? when you start update-manager after the w.e and get 300M of updates [08:36] does it seem backward to anybody else? ;-) [08:36] haha [08:37] there's a lot of no-changey stuff for arm64 [08:37] right, I read -changes, still quite some churn ;-) [08:38] yep [08:38] * Laney looks into bug #1180513 [08:38] Launchpad bug 1180513 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "lid close actions are ignored laptop always suspends" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1180513 [08:38] Laney, do you get the issue? [08:38] * seb128 doesn't [08:38] yes [08:39] Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1238663 [08:39] Launchpad bug 1238663 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Laptop suspends itself while on AC power" [Low,New] [08:39] Laney, if you need an open bug (it also has a g-s-d debug log) [08:39] oh yeah saw that one too [08:39] (gnome-settings-daemon:17854): power-plugin-DEBUG: Doing a state transition: sleep [08:39] (gnome-settings-daemon:17854): power-plugin-DEBUG: TESTSUITE: Blanked screen [08:39] (gnome-settings-daemon:17854): power-plugin-DEBUG: no suspend delay inhibitor [08:39] that's weird [08:40] why the TESTSUITE output in there? [08:40] (gnome-settings-daemon:17854): power-plugin-DEBUG: TESTSUITE: Blanked screen [08:40] (gnome-settings-daemon:17854): power-plugin-DEBUG: Removing suspend delay inhibitor [08:40] [08:40] seems like they are in g_debugs [08:41] ok [08:41] I was wondering if the people having the issue were running tests or stuff that were playing with the inhibitors [08:49] oh hmm [08:50] it might have fixed itself after I restarted g-s-d [08:50] Laney, the issue would be some other code playing with the inhibitor... [08:55] yeah it's not so easy as something which happens all the time [08:58] Hi, my desktop system stopped connecting to wired or wireless after I crashed X on Friday (I'm developing Mir). Even installing a fresh system image didn't fix - even though it works fine off the memory stick image. ifconfig shows the connections with TX/RX bytes incrementing a little after each connection retry. What to look at next? [08:58] is the debug log on that bug useful? [08:58] it does mention inhibitors being dropped [09:02] Laney, did you try Mir on the n7? /me ponders keeping the device on SF or upgrading [09:02] alan_g, hey, that seems weird ... it's like your hardware was in a weird state, but it shouldn't work from a live image then [09:03] alan_g, do you use a dhcp? do you get an ip? [09:04] sil2100, hey [09:04] yeah, tried it a bit [09:04] kind of worked but I kept getting crashes and weird artifacts [09:04] seb128: I use dhcp (the router shows the wired as connected, not the wireless) [09:05] Laney, is it usable or would upgrading ruin my device? [09:05] hum [09:05] i think you can still remove that .display_mir file [09:05] oh, ok [09:05] great [09:05] * seb128 tries [09:05] check first! [09:05] we archived the SF image anyway [09:05] so I can put that back if needed [09:06] alan_g, your description lacks a bit details to be useful... if you plug the cable, do you get an ip (e.g can you pastebin the ifconfig output)? [09:07] shrug [09:07] sil2100, did you meant to approve https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/update-build-number/+merge/190390 ? (you just comment approved) [09:08] seb128: sorry, is a pain copying things across to laptop without network. is ifconfig the only one? Or can I do any others at the same time? [09:09] alan_g, so from ifconfig I'm trying to see if your eth is having an ip [09:10] if it doesn't there is a problem with the dhcp/getting an ip [09:10] if it has, I would ask you try to try to ping an ip on the local network (if you have another device you can ping there) [09:11] seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6235114/ [09:11] so yeah, you have no ip ... [09:12] or no ipv4 ip at least (I don't know much about ipv6) [09:12] stgraber, ^ help, what info are useful to debug those sort of issues? :p [09:12] alan_g, I guess you can try to run "dhclient -v" and see if there is anything useful in the log... [09:13] !\ [09:13] seb128: oh shit I was sure I top-approved [09:13] seb128: "Not broadcast interfaces found" [09:14] seb128: ehh, I actually took it for granted that it's in... ;) [09:14] seb128: (hello!) [09:14] sil2100, it would help if you were reading your email/IRC :p I pinged you on both friday afternoon :/ [09:14] sil2100, hey [09:15] sil2100, thanks for approving it ;-) [09:15] Wait, ok that's not cool ;p Sorry about that, but I was sure I top-approved it, maybe I had LP issues when doing that [09:16] sil2100, no worry, it just that sometime you seem to miss pings, probably a suboptimal config/filtering on your side... [09:17] seb128: do you remember when did you ping me on Friday? As I was AFK after 18:00 then for an appointement, so maybe it was then? [09:18] sil2100, no, but maybe I just commented on the mp ... I'm taking a note to IRC ping as well next time ;-) [09:21] seb128: ok, so the problem is me not looking at Merge Proposal e-mails, but don't tell Didier! I should restart doing so, I stopped some time ago since I get like millions of them ;p [09:21] you should filter the ones you care about [09:22] sil2100, oh, please don't take hours to read everything ... what Laney said [09:22] sil2100, or at least filter on "X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale: Reviewer" [09:22] that's set when you review a mp, so you would get follow ups [09:26] aha [09:26] I can reproduce that bug if I plug/unplug the charger [09:29] seb128: @"hardware in a weird state" - I thought of that and disconnected power for a few hours over weekend. :( [09:29] alan_g, well, if it works from a live image it's probably not that... === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:31] seb128: yeah. [09:35] alan_g, hum, I guess that trying to "dhclient eth0" or "sudo restart networking" makes no difference? [09:36] alan_g, our network guys are cyphermox and stgraber usually, but they are in Canada, which means it's early for them, and today is off for them as well... [09:37] seb128: I thought I'd tried it on Friday, but "sudo restart networking" just crashed unity(!) [09:37] :-( [09:38] Hmm, can't even get a VT in text mode [09:47] seb128: I'll leave it until tomorrow (unless you think of something else to try meanwhile) [09:48] alan_g, did you try to "dhclient eth0"? do you still get the no found interface error? [09:49] seb128: I just got the prompt back [09:49] alan_g, use -v in case it has useful infos? [09:52] seb128: Now I see an IP address... [09:52] alan_g, ah, progress! [09:52] can you ping machines on your network/outside? [09:53] seb128: "Network is unreachable" [09:53] (Or "Unknown host" if I try DNS) [09:55] alan_g, I don't know :/ is that a new install with new /etc and userconfig or did you restore your confg? [09:55] alan_g, you might want to try playing with the control center or network-manager settings... [09:55] seb128: Currently in the original image. [10:15] seb128: just to make sure! Does switching off cellular data works ;p ? [10:15] i.e. does it really switch off the cellular data ;p? [10:16] sil2100, it should set an rfkill block ... you can check with "rfkill list all" [10:17] sil2100, it's supposed to work, we do call to ofono and that's implemented [10:17] sil2100, but check as ogra said, who knows, there might be bugs [10:17] Ok, thanks, will check that [10:19] Laney, you are there for the meeting tomorrow, right? [10:19] which meeting? [10:19] Laney, team meeting [10:20] weekly IRC meeting [10:20] yeah [10:20] why? [10:20] Laney, can you lead it? I'm travelling to Canada tomorrow [10:20] (I'm going to offline mostly tomorrow btw, due to ^= [10:20] ) [10:20] ah, sure [10:20] Laney, thanks [10:20] around the rest of the week? [10:20] yes, on Canadian time [10:20] seb128: A bit more info - "dhclient eth0" gets an IP address with long lease (as per my setup) but this disappears in a few (variable) seconds. But while it exists the connection is actually up. I guess the earlier tests failed because it happened to lose it already. [10:21] I'm going to work with desrt&co from there until Oakland [10:21] well, first Montréal, then Toronto, then Oakland [10:22] fun [10:22] alan_g, ok, weird ... at least it's not hardware issue, not sure if that could be a n-m problem, or fighting dhclients, or... better to check with cyphermox and stgraber tomorrow [10:22] Laney, yeah ;-) [10:24] *shrug* [10:24] seb128: yeah. And it is useful to have a connection long enough to be able to do a "bzr push". ;) [10:24] device went flat during the w.e again [10:24] seb128: can you try http://paste.ubuntu.com/6235309/ for me? [10:24] run it and plug/unplug ac a few times [10:24] see if it prints the right thing [10:24] alan_g, you might want to try to check /var/log/syslog (or messages) for errors [10:26] Laney, buggy [10:26] On battery: no [10:26] On battery: yes [10:26] On battery: yes [10:26] yeah that's what i get [10:26] i think that's the essence of this bug [10:26] that's for "start docked, unplug charger, plug charger" [10:26] the dbus property is right though if you watch that [10:28] Laney, upower is such a piece of c*** [10:29] haha [10:29] Laney, I opened at least 5 bugs when doing the battery panel, and I've as many hacks in there to deal with upower bugs [10:29] did they get any response? [10:29] no [10:29] Laney: hang on, we fixed a bug with libupower-glib property retrieval last week; did you try with 0.9.22? [10:29] just go a "do you have a patch" from Bastien on one of them on friday === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark [10:29] ii upower 0.9.22-1 i386 abstraction for power management [10:30] ack [10:30] pitti, ^ [10:30] yeah, that's what i have [10:30] pitti: can you reproduce it? [10:30] pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6235309/plain/ is the testcase [10:32] seb128: a lot of http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6235334/ [10:33] pitti: aha [10:33] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/commit/?id=e4858d94343bba2afbebcd1a4925c981a38a9579 [10:33] it's probably that; I just came to the same conclusion [10:34] "wtf, where does ret come from?" [10:35] wow, Bastien has pushed a load of stuff this morning [10:35] some nice cleanups actually [10:35] anyway, i'll cherry-pick that [10:35] great [10:36] unless pitti wants to upload it to Debian [10:36] there are some other fixes in there that seems worth including [10:37] I guess we're in SRU land now [10:37] yes [10:37] Laney: ouch [10:37] yeah, that's pretty bad [10:37] Laney: should be fine, I still got stuff accepted a few hours ago [10:37] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/commit/?id=f3898db4d3a340e5a4245bb86c3291d109ae0349 is interesting as well [10:37] and this is rather bad [10:37] infinity: ^? [10:37] are we close now? [10:38] closed [10:38] Laney, well, you can upload in any case, just include a bug reference ... if it doesn't make it to release it's going to be an SRU [10:38] I guess so [10:38] * Laney tests it ;-) [10:38] seb128: I'll update Debian as well, but waiting for the accept/import into LP is too long [10:39] yeah [10:39] I'll take http://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/commit/?id=fc5793e742d769febd3239bab8e88750457423ab too [10:39] so please go ahead, so that this lands in a few mins [10:39] crash fix [10:39] it's obviously correct [10:39] ack [10:39] wow, hadess has been busy :) [10:39] Laney: We're closed after I have lunch, probably. If you have some critical fixes, toss them in the queue and I'll reject if I don't want 'em. [10:39] OK [10:40] pitti, indeed [10:41] alan_g, oh [10:42] alan_g, that apparmor DENY seems like worth opening a bug about [10:43] alan_g, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1197484 [10:43] Launchpad bug 1197484 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu) "Connection requests to saucy server VMs from a hosts fail after fresh VM installs" [High,Fix released] [10:46] alan_g, I guess you can try to "sudo aa-complain /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action" to see if that makes a difference [10:47] yep, that fixed the bug [10:47] Laney, \o/ === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:08] seb128: seems to make no difference - but I don't see the apparmor messages in the fresh image. But I do see: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6235425/ [11:09] alan_g, weird, something doesn't work as it should in the dhcp ip negociation it seems ... it's not enough of my domain to help more [11:10] alan_g, you can probably configure a static ip to workaround it [11:10] Laney, infinity: upower upload LGTM, thanks! [11:11] woot [11:11] \o/ [11:11] (can't accept myself though, not in ~u-release) [11:11] I'm glad Bastien is making some cleaning in that codebase [11:11] indeed [11:11] the gdbus port is nice [11:11] because as said, it's quite buggy :/ [11:12] wrt. dropping the old suspend stuff, we'll need to grep the archive for that [11:12] but it's still in the 0.9 branch [11:17] seb128: I found a workaround - changing ip6 from "Automatic" to "Link Local Only" (but have no idea why that works). [11:18] pitti, right, a "t-cycle" item [11:18] alan_g, great, something to do with ipv6 then I guess === tvoss_ is now known as tvoss|dentist === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === dednick is now known as dednick|lunch === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === tvoss|dentist is now known as tvoss === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === sabdfl_ is now known as sabdfl === dednick|lunch is now known as dednick === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [14:37] didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6236138/ ... makes sense? should I upload? [14:38] seb128: can I cry for not trailing comma in the dep? :) [14:38] O_O [14:38] didrocks, lol, I can add that ;-) [14:38] otherwise makes sense ;) [14:38] please go ahead ;) [14:38] thanks [14:42] Laney, if we make u-s-s use the new directories provides by ubuntu-touch-sounds, do you prefer a Depends or Recommends from u-s-s on the sounds? [14:42] what did it have before? [14:42] Laney, nothing, but that's probably an error :p [14:43] it used to list /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo from ubuntu-sounds [14:43] well, it still works if those are not installed [14:43] you just get no ringtone/message sounds to pick from in the ui === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:44] hmm [14:45] Laney, in the next iteration we are going to have a file picker and be able to pick files even if none are listed [14:45] but meanwhile... === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [14:45] Probably recommends if anything [14:45] will you be seeding it? [14:45] I think having it as a dep of the schemas is weird btw [14:45] we managed to keep gsettings-desktop-schemas clean all this time [14:46] Laney, I've no strong opinion, feel free to reverse it to be seeded/no schemas depends [14:46] if you prefer one way to the other [14:46] it sort of make sense to bring the files corresponding to the default you set imho [14:46] otherwise installing the default leads you to a non working config [14:48] yeah we have precedent for this with e.g. ubuntu-settings [14:48] did we discuss the way that was done and settle on the no depends/recommends? [14:48] or is that just the way it happened? [14:48] but as said, I've no strong preference, it feels like that if you write a config you should ensure that the config can work [14:50] meh, it's already in [14:50] Laney, didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/sound-new-effects/+merge/190976 is the u-s-s side [14:50] I'll change it at some point in the future [14:50] Laney, well, we can always do another upload [14:50] Laney, or early in t-serie [14:50] yeah [14:51] I'll MP it for the seeds [15:36] seb128, Laney: hey guys, you know of an easy way of running system-settings with USS_SHOW_ALL_UI=1 enabled on the phone? [15:37] sil2100, just adb shell to the device, su - phablet and run it [15:37] you get the debug output as a bonus point [15:38] sil2100, otherwise you can can copy the .desktop, change the name/command [15:41] I modified the .desktop file but it doesn't start, that's why I'm asking ;) And when running from shell I was getting a segfault, but if that's the way to do that then maybe I have something wrong [15:42] USS_SHOW_ALL_UI=1 /usr/bin/system-settings --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/ubuntu-system-settings.desktop [15:42] wfm [15:49] morning all, just saying "hi" as most americans and canadians are off ;) === Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth [16:01] lol, https://twitter.com/Sweetshark1/status/389782630020820992 ;) [16:02] morning jasoncwarner_ [16:02] chrisccoulson_: hah [16:03] I guess you follow @NeedADebitCard :P [16:06] Laney, yeah, i was wondering whether they'd retweet it ;) [16:06] not sure if it's a bot === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson === charles_ is now known as charles === dpm is now known as dpm-afk [16:23] Laney, hum, those translation warning as there for ever no? [16:23] don't know [16:23] fixed though [16:23] oh [16:23] the email should arrive in a second [16:23] yeah, I reverted my changes [16:23] still there [16:25] oh well, might as well fix it [16:25] can do as a separate mp or you merge my branch into yours [16:25] sure [16:25] your call, I prefer to keep different changesets in the different commits [16:26] but I'm not going to make a fuss about it if you pick the other way ;-) [16:26] lol, you indentation freak ;-) [16:27] haha [16:27] ok i'll approve yours [16:29] hey seb128 , curious, did those sounds ever make it in? [16:30] jasoncwarner_, hey, they have been landing today, not in the image yet, check with lool/asac/didrocks for that [16:30] seb128 cool, thanks! [16:30] yw [16:30] will be in image 97 [16:30] \o/ [16:30] what happened to the login sound? [16:30] kicked in a couple of hours [16:30] Laney, that got dropped, sabdfl didn't want it enough to do an overrule [16:31] fair enough, I like the sound of that :-) [16:31] Laney, we also don't have login sound on by default/an UI to enable it [16:31] so virtually useless [16:31] huh, that is true [16:31] is this what that guy designed for us? [16:31] designed? [16:32] well, he had one login sound [16:32] the Mass Effect II composer or something [16:32] there was some news about it the other month [16:32] oh, I've no idea about that [16:32] seb128: are the drums on ubiquity still there? (they were last week) [16:33] that didn't change [16:33] ok, cool [16:33] AlanBell, I guess so, we didn't change anything related to that [16:33] AlanBell, the talks was to use a different file for desktop-login, and then adding ringtones to touch [16:33] AlanBell, we just did the ringtones [16:33] jasoncwarner_: I'm just seeding the sounds as we speak [16:33] however, I dont thin kthey are used yet [16:34] seb128: are the settings bit also going in tonight? [16:34] yeah, that is fine, just the drums on the live cd are the "press ctrl+s for orca" cue [16:34] lool, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/0.0.1+13.10.20130730-0ubuntu2 [16:34] lool, that's in saucy [16:34] lool, so should be on the next image? [16:34] the settings mp just got approved [16:34] right [16:34] so assuming that gets released [16:34] seb128: didn't even know we had this package [16:34] lool, so ^ should give you the new default for new installs [16:34] (+ merged) [16:35] then you need a settings landing, once the merge is in, for the Ui side (to get it to list the new sounds) [16:35] seb128: cool [16:37] ok, on that note time for exercice [16:38] I'm going to be back a bit in the evening [16:38] Laney, thanks for handling the meeting tomorrow ;-) [16:38] np [16:38] have a nice flight [16:38] ttyl from Zurich tomorrow, otherwise see you wednesday [16:38] thanks === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:18] hey larsu, just sent you another .crash file from datetime. hopefully this one comes through. not sure why they aren't uploading. let me know if you don't get it. charles fyi [17:19] jasoncwarner_: is there a ticket for the datetime crash? [17:43] charles don't know mostly b/c it wasn't uploading properly. larsu thought it might be a known one already which is why I emailed the .crash file. [17:44] jasoncwarner_: ok, thanks [17:44] larsu: feel free to ping me if you see something ^ === thomi_ is now known as thomi [19:33] jasoncwarner_: oh I won't be here tomorrow, so for seb128's meeting: my action points: fixing xorg package-status debian versions. kernel fixes for radeon lock inversion. opened a conversation with android devs about fences/syncpoints. mesa 9.1.7 verification and mesa 9.2.1 upload. [19:33] oh and fixed a particularly nasty mir bug that was a blocker for testing nested mir [19:33] which took some time to find :P [22:34] How to nominate a font for inclusion in the Ubuntu repository? [23:06] The font is Courier Prime, hosted at http://http://quoteunquoteapps.com/courierprime/ [23:48] phillip_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages is the process for requesting a new package; font packages are reasonably simple, so you could probably do most of the work yourself (which makes it much more likely to get done ☺)