[07:19] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:25] <Myrtti> I'm reminded why I dislike most tea brands
[07:26] <Myrtti> meh
[07:26] <Myrtti> morning
[07:30] <MooDoo> lol morning Myrtti twinnings?  Surely you can't dislike that
[07:32] <Myrtti> well I ran out of milk last night and I don't really have time to go shopping until evening
[07:32] <Myrtti> so I made a pot of lipton forest fruit tea
[07:32] <Myrtti> which is fine, until it's steeped more than 15 minutes, which happens to me quite often
[07:33] <Myrtti> at that point it has a metallic aftertaste, like *all* Lipton has, that makes me wonder did it dilute my fillings
[07:33] <Myrtti> or erode them
[07:33] <MooDoo> yuck
[07:33] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:33] <popey> I set kitchen timer to 3 mins to steep my tea
[07:34] <popey> means I rarely leave it sat for too long
[07:34] <Myrtti> this is why I'm willing to pay 10 pounds for 80 bags of Yorkshire
[07:34] <Myrtti> popey: what can I say, I like it strong. Yorkshire and other nice teas don't mind if I steep it long. Lipton isn't nice.
[07:35] <popey> oh
[07:35] <Myrtti> if only I had milk.
[07:35] <popey> i thought you meant you forgot it
[07:36] <Myrtti> I'm not sure forgetting it is the right way of describing it
[07:36] <Myrtti> I neglect to take it out.
[07:36] <Myrtti> :-D
[07:36] <popey> ah
[07:36] <Myrtti> as a happy accident I usually get nice full four cup pot of tea
[07:50] <ali1234> who else drinks "warm up"?
[08:03] <popey> ali1234: wat?
[08:15]  * dwatkins feels decidedly unbritish due to starting the day with coffee
[08:23] <Myrtti> dwatkins: yeah, imagine that, I beat you.
[08:24]  * dwatkins bows graciously in Myrtti's general direction
[08:27] <ali1234> popey: it's when you make 1 teabag last all day: for the first cup you put 1.5 cups worth of water in the teapot, then you leave the teabag stewing in the remaining water until you make the next cup
[08:28] <ali1234> for each subsequent cup you put another cup worth of boiling water in the pot, which "warms up" and dilutes the stewed tea from last time
[08:28] <ali1234> you repeat this until you stop getting tea and start getting hot water
[08:29] <popey> heh, never done that
[08:29] <directhex> <insert potentially racist stereotype about group considered tight with money here>
[08:30] <ali1234> it is more about being too lazy to clean out the teapot really
[08:30] <popey> oh, Scotts?
[08:31] <directhex> popey, filling in the blank says more about you than me :p
[08:31] <popey> ☻
[08:33] <diplo> Morning all
[08:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Bald And Free Day! :-D
[08:34] <directhex> JamesTait, do you have a script to do this?
[08:34] <JamesTait> directhex, I don't.  If I scripted it, *I* wouldn't know what day it was, and then I'd be all confused when people started asking me about it.
[08:35] <JamesTait> directhex, no, I really am that sad.
[08:35] <nigelb> lol
[08:39] <MooDoo> JamesTait: I'm free......hmmm spent to much of my childhood watching that show lol
[08:39] <JamesTait> Are you being served? :)
[08:42] <MooDoo> lol
[08:43]  * dwatkins redresses the balance with tea
[09:24] <MooDoo> well I watched the intership last night, not brilliant, but it made me smile :)
[09:25] <MooDoo> nice to see sergey brin with a cameo :)
[09:46] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:47] <MooDoo> mornign brobostigon
[09:47] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:50] <Cloud80> Morning
[09:51] <brobostigon> morning Cloud80
[09:58]  * mungbean_ is back from a holiday on the island
[09:58] <mungbean_> life off-grid
[10:03] <popey> "the island"
[10:03] <popey> Taransay? ☻
[10:04] <MooDoo> were you cloned?
[10:04] <brobostigon> did you see any white baloons?
[10:11] <DJones> "The Island" mungbean is Richard Branson?
[10:12] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:12] <Cloud80> Morning davmor2
[10:13] <mungbean_> portland
[10:14] <mungbean_> lovely place. the opposite of weymouth in many places, although weymouth is lovely
[10:14] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:36] <Guest65473> brought home a dinosaur vertebrae \o
[10:38]  * mungbean_ likes fossils
[10:50] <popey> but but but...
[10:50] <popey> Dinosaurs are Gods way of testing your faith!
[10:50] <popey> etc
[10:52]  * dwatkins hands popey an apostrophe 
[10:52] <dwatkins> that reminds me, I need to find out what the video was my sister-in-law was watching, so I can apply some science to it
[10:59] <davmor2> popey: more worryingly, God made them in his image, so God is a Lizard,  must be something to what Ike was babling about after all :D
[11:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: ike was right, we have lizards as leaders.
[11:08] <davmor2> nice bit of ultravox on absolute 80's
[11:08] <mungbean_> funny story about how i came across the vertebrae but can't really share on the internet
[11:09] <mungbean_> supposed to be part of a plesiosaur
[11:09] <mungbean_> AKA seal
[11:10] <mungbean_> or thats what it looks like
[11:14] <mungbean_> also found a large imprint of ammonite http://i.imgur.com/Te3LgpA.jpg
[11:14] <mungbean_> randomly on the beach
[12:05] <popey> Man!
[12:05] <popey> That was the best pot noodle ever
[12:05] <MooDoo> pot noodle o/
[12:06] <davmor2> popey: you got a piri piri didn't you :D
[12:06] <popey> noodles, peas, corn, egg, chicken, bullion, tabasco, soy, worcester, salt & pepper
[12:06]  * Myrtti looks at her dry piece of toast
[12:07] <Myrtti> I hate you
[12:07] <popey> hah
[12:09] <jussi> hrm, I left the drinking youghurt out for about 8 hours... still drinkable ?
[12:09] <popey> does it smell off?
[12:09] <jussi> it smells normal. curiousity, what does off yoghurt smell like? :P
[12:09] <popey> piquant
[12:19] <ali1234> woo someone clicked on an advert on my webpage last month and i got £1.09 for it
[12:19] <MooDoo> ali1234: awesome, I'm using making about 25p ;)
[12:20] <ali1234> most months i get 3p
[12:23] <popey> is that the one on your file index thing?
[12:24] <ali1234> there are adverts on my wordpress too
[12:24] <ali1234> but i never write anything on it
[12:24] <popey> ah
[12:24] <popey> i made 7.84 last month
[12:24] <popey> never actually seen any payments from amazon
[12:25] <ali1234> i need a thing that reposts G+ to wordpress
[12:25] <popey> made 48.84 since 2008
[12:25] <popey> \o/
[12:25] <MooDoo> I had a google cheque a few months back
[12:28] <popey> yeah, i had a few of them
[12:28] <popey> not much
[12:28] <dwatkins> ali1234: how about a wordpress plugin that posts to G+ when you publish?
[12:28] <popey> thats hard given G+ is read only
[12:29] <dwatkins> oh, I guess my friend who does this sort of thing just pastes a link, then
[12:29] <ali1234> yeah
[12:29] <ali1234> besides the problem is that G+ is much nicer to use than wordpress
[12:32] <Myrtti> it's hard to get things play right either way
[12:32] <Myrtti> I'm looking for a way to get at bare minimum some kind of clips from Google+ to Drupal and it's hard.
[12:36] <Myrtti> oh dear, I'm looking at the api examples so hard I'm getting a headache from squinting
[13:45] <mungbean_> NASA apod site is down :(
[13:45] <mungbean_> due to some american political guff
[13:46] <directhex> nasa is 97% fired right now
[13:52] <neuro> s/fired/on unpaid leave/
[13:53] <mungbean_> ah, apod.com still works for now
[13:53] <mungbean_> script fixed/amended
[13:54] <mungbean_> is anyone here forced to use exchange/o365?
[13:54] <mungbean_> or outlook.com
[13:54] <neuro> i use office 365 home premium but not exchange
[13:54] <mungbean_> just been migrated from a working email system to o365
[13:54] <mungbean_> the web client is rather deficient
[13:55] <mungbean_> cannot see number of items in a folder
[13:55] <mungbean_> cannot run filters retrospectively
[13:55] <neuro> unlucky
[13:56] <mungbean_> activesync wants full permission to remotely wipe my personal phone - not likely
[13:57] <mungbean_> rather slow
[13:59] <diddledan> mungbean_: ouch
[13:59] <diddledan> mungbean_: the activesync wiping I guess is because they presume you'll be using business provided windows phone phones rather than BYOD
[13:59] <mungbean_> hence fail
[13:59] <mungbean_> its a per company decision
[14:00] <mungbean_> but 0.1% of the company have company phones
[14:00] <mungbean_> maybe 0.01
[14:00] <diddledan> "company" IT dept is wonky then :-p
[14:01] <diddledan> I suggest penning an email using your new o365 account to whoever is in charge and point out that they're wonky :-D
[14:02] <diddledan> then prepare a new cv listing your current job as previous experience
[14:02] <diddledan> because they're bound to take umbrige
[14:04] <mungbean_> when you scroll the messages window, it goes white/blank. nice
[14:05] <mungbean_> no way to scroll through messages to look for correct one
[14:05] <diddledan> \o/
[14:07] <diddledan> adobe muse produces evil markup - don't let designers believe that if they build a version of a site in muse that it will be easy to migrate that into a cms!
[14:08] <shauno> we have exactly the same for byod - if it's enrolled, they have access to remote wipe
[14:09] <diddledan> shauno: suckage
[14:09] <diddledan> shauno: tell them you'll not be responding to email out-of-hours then :-p
[14:10] <mungbean_> shauno: this is just activesync though
[14:10] <mungbean_> and they have students connection
[14:10] <mungbean_> connecting
[14:10] <mungbean_> some of which have inadvertently wiped their devices - fasctory reset, no warning
[14:11] <Myrtti> I just realised I'm not sure the IT support have ordered the right size sim card for my phone, I hope they have
[14:12] <shauno> ours don't care what's going on there.  even if all you're getting is the cert that lets you use the campus wifi instead of the guest wifi, you're enrolled
[14:39] <mungbean_> neuro: i delete/move emails with thudnerbird, but still see them on teh web ui?
[14:39] <mungbean_> even comapcted and expunged and deleted trash
[14:40] <davmor2> mungbean_: have a look and see if there is a plugin for 365
[14:57] <popey> ooh. power just blipped here
[14:57] <popey> first time I've seen that in years
[14:59] <popey> yay for batteries in laptops
[14:59] <popey> ssh just carried on when the power came back
[15:01] <popey> and again
[15:01]  * popey hopes his btrfs volume is okay ⍨
[15:02] <diddledan> I like that ssh can sometimes carry on when there's a momentary blip
[15:02] <diddledan> and irc does it too
[15:02] <popey> /dev/sdc on /srv type btrfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime)
[15:02] <popey> \o/
[15:18] <dwatkins> I tend to use autossh just in case the blip lasts a while.
[15:18] <dwatkins> It also handles changing network interfaces fairly well.
[15:31] <funkyHat> AUTOSSH_GATETIME=0 is very useful too, I use it to set up tunnels with @reboot cron jobs
[15:35] <mungbean_> my son (3) got rather stressed when he couldn't turn his light on a couple of weeks ago when the kettle tripped the power early in the morning and didn't notice
[15:35] <mungbean_> WHYS MY LIGHT NOT WORKING CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK
[15:40] <dwatkins> my nephew used to have a light-based alarm clock - he'd wake up really early, and was told he wasn't allowed to get out of bed until the light came on
[15:40] <dwatkins> (apart from to use the bathroom)
[15:41] <mungbean_> my boy gets 3 marbles in his marble jar for every morning he stays in his room until the 2nd alarm (1 snooze)
[15:42] <mungbean_> fill up the jar, get a prize
[15:42] <dwatkins> I see you're preparing him for a lifetime of MMORPGs, mungbean_ ;)
[15:53]  * awilkins bets that he secretly takes a marble out when he's not looking
[15:58] <mungbean_> who me?
[15:59] <mungbean_> it's funny  because the prize is usually something as trivial as watching wallace and gromit and the were rabbit.
[15:59] <dwatkins> marbles == XP, of course
[15:59] <mungbean_> but we give him lots of treats like zoo visits and softplay all the time
[15:59] <mungbean_> but when you make a target it seems to focus their behaviour better
[16:00] <mungbean_> less tantrums. i was worried the neighbours on holiday would call teh police after hearing the tantrums
[16:07] <diddledan> mungbean_: terrible two's or troublesome threes? :-p
[16:07] <diddledan> or fearsome fours?
[16:08] <mungbean_> 3
[16:08] <mungbean_> more like a teenager though
[16:08] <diddledan> lol
[16:08] <diddledan> my nephew is nearing that milestone in a couple months
[16:10] <diddledan> I went up to my sister's yesterday to see her newborn - my cute-as neice! - my nephew at one point looked over at his nanna holding his sister and decided to bash his sister on the head - gotta love siblings
[17:48] <BigRedS> The thinkpads are generally pretty robust; does anyone know if tht goes for the Thinkpad Edge, too?
[18:39] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[18:46] <BigRedS> Goood Morning!
[18:49] <diddledan> hmm, I need sleep
[18:49] <BigRedS> Don't worry, it's not really morning
[18:49] <diddledan> morning indeed *mutters incoherently*
[18:53] <bigcalm> Considering I've been asleep for most of the day. It might as well be morning
[18:53] <davmor2> diddledan: I think your find that morning is bright and breezy and does mutter incoherently at all
[18:54] <davmor2> doesn't even
[20:18] <daubers> Evening
[20:25] <AlanBell> evening
[20:26] <mungbean_> this isn't crimewatch, its a prolonged interview with the parents
[20:27] <mungbean_> certainly ther's an agenda here
[20:28]  * daubers sighs at another evening wasted reading up on Project Management software
[20:30] <mungbean_> i see the ostrich pill ow has been updated
[20:30] <mungbean_> no longer cyberman, now michelin  man
[20:37] <mungbean_> seen this? http://op-co.de/blog/posts/android_ssl_downgrade/
[20:49] <diddledan> mungbean_: that's pretty scary
[20:52] <popey> how odd
[21:26] <BigRedS> top comment on reddit appeared to explain
[21:26] <BigRedS> but I don't know enough about the subject to say whether it actually did or not
[21:26] <BigRedS> http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/1ofr05/why_android_ssl_was_downgraded_from_aes256sha_to/
[21:28] <bigcalm> Anybody else here ordered a hudl?
[21:30] <BigRedS> is that the tesco tablet?
[21:30] <bigcalm> Yes
[21:31] <bigcalm> I've ordered one as a wedding gift - expected delivery by 25th October - my wedding date
[21:32] <BigRedS> oh, I thought they already existed and were in stock; I thought I saw them on the shelves in TEsco
[21:32] <bigcalm> I didn't see one the last time I was in a store so ordered online
[21:32] <bigcalm> I may regret this
[21:33] <bigcalm> Were they available in different colours in the shop?
[21:33] <bigcalm> I sent Hayley this and asked which she preferred. I don't think she knows what I'm up to. http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/colours.png
[21:34]  * bigcalm wants his Xoom back for himself :D
[21:38] <BigRedS> I'm not sure what was available; I was dumfounded at a Tesco branded tablet that didn't look like it was probably awful :)
[21:47] <bigcalm> BigRedS: the fact that it has respectable specs and has the play store without messing about were good reasons to order one
[21:50]  * bigcalm sleeps
[21:52] <shauno> with only 3 hours uptime?  hardware issues?
[22:33] <diddledan> shauno: you played with sickbeard at all?
[22:34] <shauno> actually, I set that up just friday or so
[22:34] <diddledan> :-)
[22:34] <diddledan> I'm just setting it up now
[22:34] <diddledan> just plugged defiance into it
[22:35] <diddledan> network activity appears to be doing something, so I'm assumpting it's downloading
[22:38] <daftykins> my local Channel Islands news has the South-West England (Cornwall, etc) regional news tacked on after it
[22:38] <daftykins> today's had this nugget: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8qr9pqx3n46h84e/VID_20131014_210055.mp4
[22:40] <diddledan> what the?
[22:41] <daftykins> yep!
[22:42] <diddledan> it really is a slow news day today then
[22:43] <diddledan> I wondered why someone linked me to "sci fi isn't fact enough" earlier
[22:43] <diddledan> also by the beeb
[22:43] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24518305
[22:50] <shauno> they completely ignored the rest of what NDG had to say about it, apparently
[23:03] <daftykins> Beeb must be taking on too many newcomers at low pay to set off all the troubles ;)