[00:57] <nuf0xx> o/
[00:57] <nuf0xx> any advice on wheather or not to upgrade to kernel 3.9.x to fix a card reader issue?
[00:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's hard to say. The last time I had a card reader issue was in arch. I don't think it was the kernel.
[00:59] <nuf0xx> I have confirmed that the issue with my reader is fixed in the 3.9 kernel. just wondering if it may cause othe unforseen issues. Is it stable?
[01:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh....
[01:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> I try not to update the kernel beyond the version included in a release. I'm not that savvy yet.
[01:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, it can be done. I've seen people do it sucessfully.
[01:07] <xabster> tumblerd crashes all the time
[01:07] <xabster> is it needed?
[01:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, it shouldn't crash all the time.
[01:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, it's not super critical.
[01:09] <xabster> it's annoying is what it is :)
[01:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's just a thumbnailer for picture and video files.
[01:09] <xabster> besides, it crashes before it generates any thumbnails
[01:09] <xabster> so, why have it?
[01:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> Are you by chance accessing videos from a share?
[01:09] <xabster> no
[01:10] <xabster> it's a torrent downloaded video clip
[01:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> That's when it use to crash for me.
[01:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh!
[01:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> Same difference.
[01:10] <xabster> hmm
[01:10] <xabster> I reboot many times since
[01:10] <xabster> the file is still just a file...
[01:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> The thumbnailer cycles through the file for thumbnails as it's downloading.
[01:10] <xabster> on the harddrive
[01:10] <xabster> it's been correctly and fully downloaded for long now
[01:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> eventually, it gets tired
[01:11] <xabster> sudo apt-get remove tumbler ?
[01:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> worst case, sudo apt-get remove tumblerd
[01:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol, jinx
[01:11] <xabster> :)
[01:11] <xabster> i
[01:11] <xabster> i'm scared now
[01:11] <xabster> "Removing xubuntu-desktop ...
[01:11] <xabster> "
[01:11] <xabster> it said that
[01:12] <xabster> oh, i guess that's an "umbrella" kind of package
[01:13] <xabster> because i no longer have ALL the standard packages in that "group", it removes it
[01:13] <xabster> and leaves me with each package individually?
[01:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, the meta-package
[01:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm told those are safe to delete. But, I get kinda scared.
[01:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> When I delete meta-packages, sudo apt-get autoremove wants to remove all kinds of things that I still use.
[01:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm on the fence about meta packages.
[01:14] <xabster> hmm
[02:15] <gdos> is it possible to use symbolic links (either hard or soft) to point from /var/www/doc (http://localhost/doc) to file://localhost/usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html ...???
[02:18] <`Fibz`> nnot sure what your trying to accomplish but yes, a symbolic link is usable. maybe an entry into the hosts file might be needed based on whatever it is your trying to do
[02:23] <xabster> gdos, you want http://localhost/doc to load a file that is not in var/www ?
[02:24] <gdos> yes dhelp is not loading the files in /var/www/doc/HTML as per the description but rather /usr/share/doc/HTML instead.
[02:31] <gdos> i used 'sudo ln -s /usr/share/doc/HTML /var/www/help' and it nearly did it. sorta. but everything did not appear to link correctly.
[03:15] <gdos> add "FollowSymLinks" as an option for your DocumentRoot
[04:18] <xabster> hah, chrome crashed and gave a report, then apport crashed trying to show me the report, and the lsb_release crashed
[04:22] <holstein> xabster: chrome? or chromium?
[04:23] <xabster> chromium
[04:23] <holstein> xabster: in 13.04?
[04:23] <xabster> yes
[04:35] <gdos> how do i install seamonkey?
[04:36] <holstein> !info seamonkey
[04:36] <holstein> gdos: i think its been removed.. what are you trying to do?
[04:37] <gdos> holstein: install it. i actually prefer that browser over ff/chromium.
[04:37] <holstein> gdos: it bascially is firefox.. but, you'll need to manually install it, or find an un-offically supported ppa
[04:38] <holstein> gdos: you'll see links to ppa's and other references at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SeaMonkey
[04:38] <gdos> how'd manually install it? copy the installation directory over to /var?
[04:39] <holstein> gdos: i would visit the site where the creators make the application available, and follow whatever directions they offer.. or just add one of the ppa's.. or use a more supported browser
[04:42] <gdos> holstein: ok. i'm trying bratherlui's ppa
[04:42] <gdos> i prefer the email app in seamonkey over thunderbird.
[04:43] <holstein> gdos: as long as you are not expecting it to be an up to date, or well supported, or secure/safe product, do what you like
[04:55] <gdos> how hard is it to convert a tar.bz2 to a .deb file?
[05:00] <holstein> gdos: thats not the way it'll work
[05:01] <holstein> gdos: you might download something in a compressed format, and open it, and build it, and then you could make a package from that
[05:01] <holstein> gdos: i would just use a PPA
[05:01] <gdos> ok.
[08:49] <cfhowlett_> !java>me
[10:13] <buu> so uh
[10:13] <buu> How exactly do you use dc?
[10:13] <buu> Oh, you have to print
[10:13] <buu> That's not very friendly =[
[10:36] <x_> aas
[10:39] <Megabyte> Hello, guys
[10:39] <buu> Is there someway to change which libraries a dynamically linked executable uses?
[10:40] <Megabyte> I tried to unzip seamonkey, but when I run it, I get a "file not found error"
[10:40] <Megabyte> what is wrong?
[10:40] <buu> Megabyte: Paste the shell session in a pastebin
[10:41] <Megabyte> x@Amber:~/seamonkey$ ./seamonkey
[10:41] <Megabyte> bash: ./seamonkey: No such file or directory
[10:42] <Megabyte> buu, It's as simple as that...
[10:42] <Megabyte> the file *is* there, though
[10:44] <Megabyte> buu, what is going on?
[10:51] <buu> Megabyte: what is the first line of ./seamonkey ?
[10:51] <Megabyte> It's a binary file
[10:51] <buu> And why are you unzipping things?
[10:51] <Megabyte> buu, there's no package of seamonkey for xubuntu
[10:51] <Megabyte> so you must unzip a binary package
[10:52] <buu> Megabyte: what does 'file ./seamonkey' say?
[10:52] <Megabyte> x@Amber:~/seamonkey$ file ./seamonkey
[10:52] <Megabyte> ./seamonkey: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped
[10:58] <buu> Megabyte: Generally speaking that particular error means that linux can't figure out how to execute that file. Its either a binary it doesn't understand or an "interpreted file" with a shebang it can't find
[10:58] <buu> can you run strace ./seamonkey
[10:59] <elfy> works here ok - or would if it didn't have a libasound2 error
[11:02] <Megabyte> http://pastebin.com/4jwQZirJ
[11:02] <Megabyte> There it is
[11:02] <Megabyte> (Sorry, I'm using Links 2 for now)
[11:03] <buu> welp
[11:03] <buu> Megabyte: what is uname -a
[11:03] <Megabyte> Linux Amber 3.8.0-31-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Tue Sep 10 20:03:44 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:04] <buu> Does the x64 version work any better?
[11:05] <Megabyte> I didn't see any. Perhaps it is a little obscure to find?
[11:11] <bekks> buu: No. But 64bit is state of the art nowadays.
[11:15] <elfy> Megabyte: there is a 64bit version http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ - at the bottom, contributed
[11:15] <elfy> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.21/contrib/seamonkey-2.21.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2
[11:16] <elfy> runs here ok
[11:16] <Megabyte> Thanks
[11:20] <Megabyte> elfy, I got the source package here, so I'll try to build from it
[11:20] <Megabyte> let's see if it works...
[11:46] <Megabyte> elfy, I intend to build a deb package. Is there any way I can make it available in the repository?
[11:51] <elfy> Megabyte: I don't know anything about ppa's other than people can do it I'm afraid
[13:23] <gregor3005> hi, does anybody know a robust solution to disable the update notifier in xfce? i set that it should be displayed, also in gconf but it is show every time i did: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update
[13:25] <cfhowlett> gregor3005, software center center > settings > software sources > updates > When there are updates ...
[13:28] <gregor3005> cfhowlett: i can't disable it there
[13:30] <gregor3005> cfhowlett: i can remove the ticks on "install updates from" but then i can't update in the background with "sudo apt-get upgradE"
[13:30] <olbi> is USC there is last option which you should choose: Never. It should help :)
[13:30] <gregor3005> olbi: but this is only for new releases not for software updates
[13:31] <olbi> sorry, 1 option and change to never
[13:31] <olbi> this should never check the updates
[13:31] <olbi> so there will no be any notifications
[13:31] <gregor3005> olbi: should but it doesn't do it in that way
[13:31] <olbi> unless you check this manually
[13:31] <gregor3005> olbi: ah, ok maybe now i understand it
[13:32] <gregor3005> olbi: but i think every time when "apt-get update" is running the notification is displayed, so also when new software will be installed it notifies you about new updates
[13:33] <olbi> yes :), you have ridht
[13:33] <olbi> but when you install it it will be gone
[13:33] <olbi> I have choose checking the updates one per week and it works
[13:34] <gregor3005> olbi: ok, its the pc for my mother who has a prepaid internet access and there she has not much download volume. and i wan't to avoid that she installed updates
[13:34] <gregor3005> olbi: so from time to time i come to here with my internet stick and install the updates
[14:03] <r7_> Hi everyone
[14:03] <r7_> I installed Xubuntu on BTRFS filesystem. And I have this error at startup: "sparse file not found, press any key to continue"
[14:33] <gdos> on an another account (using desktop profile) one is unable to access desktop (wallpaper) settings. locks up everytime.
[17:24] <xubuntu586> Could you pls instruct me how to enable system sounds?  I've checked the box enable system sounds but to no avail.
[17:26] <xubuntu586> I would really appreciate your expertease in solving this mystery :)
[17:33] <xubuntu586> There are sound folders, and "enable event sounts"  checkbox checked... so what's happening in between is outside of my current knowledge...
[19:21] <aicasn> this is totally OT so i apologize but i thought you folks might have a better idea....  i need to put a free office suite onto a lady's PC. does anyone know whether OOo or libreoffice works better on windows?  thanks
[19:22] <Pici> aicasn: try asking in ##windows
[19:22] <aicasn> i shall try...
[19:22] <cub> aicasn: Better is depending on how you ask. I have run both with no issues, though I prefer libreoffice
[19:23] <cub> -how +who
[19:24] <aicasn> most compatible vs. MS office. this lady is older and not techie.  if the program she uses to open her .docx files garbles them then the program isn't useful
[19:25] <bekks> aicasn: that may happen - blame it on M$.
[19:25] <cub> hmm then I'm not sure. I get some docx which opens in libreoffice, but layout and fonts might be different and not look so good sometimes
[19:27] <buu> Isn't libreoffice the newer/more maintained one
[19:27] <aicasn> MS is completely freekin retarded. They won't sell me a copy of Office 2010 for her. The want her to upgrade (pay $$) for Windows 8 (on her dual-core 1.2GHz, 512MB RAM dinosaur), then get her to buy a copy of Office Live
[19:28] <aicasn> i was on the phone for like 3 hours this morning looking for a little help. Nada
[19:32] <bekks> aicasn: Office 2010 isnt sold anymore by MS, and you may get it officially from various stores. And it is offtopic in here :)
[19:32] <bgardner> ...very, very OT...
[19:52] <linuxuz3r> hi
[20:07] <Pop-Tart> Hiya! I just installed Xubuntu. I know this is a dumb question and I should Google more, but how do I change the color of the titlebar? Does a theme do that, or is it an option under Appearance?
[20:08] <buu> Pop-Tart: Have you tried settings -> appearance?
[20:09] <Pop-Tart> Yes, I've checked there.
[20:10] <knome> Pop-Tart, the xfwm themes mainly control the window borders. see under settings manager -> window manager -> tab style
[20:10] <buu> Isn't the top bar actually a panel?
[20:11] <knome> Pop-Tart, some xfwm themes allow the gtk themes (in settings manager -> appearance -> tab style) to manage the colors though
[20:11] <buu> oh
[20:11] <buu> Titlebar of windows?
[20:11] <Pop-Tart> Yes
[20:11] <buu> Heh, I thought you meant the top panel =]
[20:12] <Pop-Tart> I just want to change the color from white/grey to something darker/black, like the top panel. It hurts my eyes.
[20:24] <Pop-Tart> I still haven't managed to figure it out yet, but basically I just want this: http://i.imm.io/1iph8.png to look like this: http://i.imm.io/1iphp.png
[20:26] <`Fibz`> window manager -> themes , + panel options -> appearance
[20:26] <`Fibz`> all are in launcher -> settings -> settings manager
[20:28] <`Fibz`> might need to right click task bar -> properties -> show flat buttons
[20:35] <peyam> hi
[20:35] <`Fibz`> hi
[20:37] <gregor30051> hi, i have a problem with the networkconnection on an workstation, when i do "dhclient eth0" it works perfect. but when i configure the network with the network applet i didn't get any connection. also is it not possible to see my networkconfiguration in the applet to click on it
[20:38] <gregor30051> in grayed text i see that the device is not managed. what should that mean?
[20:38] <`Fibz`> xubuntu version?
[20:39] <gregor30051> `Fibz`: 13.04. clean installed and updated
[20:43] <`Fibz`> you can disable network manager from autostart and use /etc/network/interfaces instead
[20:45] <gregor30051> `Fibz`: thx i try it
[20:47] <gregor30051> `Fibz`: now i have dhcp automatically on that device but the applet configuration are not shown
[20:48] <`Fibz`> if you have a chance, try confirming it on a virtual machine or something and submit a bug report
[20:50] <`Fibz`> i've got a box running 13.04 32bit with internet access through eth0 with no issues over here
[20:52] <gregor30051> `Fibz`: i found a solution and the cause: in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf in the ifupdown section managed was set to false :-)
[20:52] <`Fibz`> ah
[20:53] <gregor30051> `Fibz`: the next problem will be to fix the problem with the gsm usb stick
[21:48] <dvanduzer> I've got something very broken about my 13.04 install and my nvidia twinview. Is 13.04 supposed to still be using xfce 4.10?
[21:51] <`Fibz`> yes
[21:51] <`Fibz`> i wouldnt expect a new xfce untill 12
[21:52] <`Fibz`> but i dont know
[21:55] <theixle> When I boot Xubuntu I get an error message that I'm trying to diagnose to speed up booting time. Does anyone know what 'usb 1-1.1: string descriptor 0 read error: -22' means?
[21:58] <linuxuz3r> how do i make xubuntu turn off monitor after not using for a while
[21:59] <dvanduzer> `Fibz`: thanks much.  the configuration is working in lightdm, but I log in, wait for a minute, and it kicks me back to the login screen. any hints you'd suggest?
[22:03] <theixle> linuxuz3r: Settings Manager -> Power Management or Screensaver whichever you prefer
[22:05] <`Fibz`> theixle, http://www.cm19a.com/2013/02/how-to-disable-linux-kernel-drivers.html
[22:05] <linuxuz3r> theixle, i cant find the screensaver
[22:06] <`Fibz`> linuxuz3r,  launcher -> settings -> settings manager -> Power Manager -> On AC -> Monitor
[22:08] <linuxuz3r> `Fibz`, thanks
[22:09] <theixle> Thanks Fibz
[22:13] <`Fibz`> dvanduzer,  maybe something in here?  http://askubuntu.com/questions/129610/login-screen-wont-accept-my-password
[22:15] <dvanduzer> `Fibz`: thanks, I'll try nuking my .Xauthority.
[22:55] <yeik> anybody here good with dpkg that could possibly help me look at an issue http://pastebin.com/X7KW8v7w