| dholbach | good morning | 07:12 |
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| jcastro | http://iloveubuntu.net/mass-effects-sam-hulick-created-sams-song-song-implemented-default-ubuntu-touch-sounds | 15:04 |
| jcastro | well done! | 15:04 |
| jose | jcastro: have a min? | 15:07 |
| jcastro | jose, go | 15:07 |
| jose | jcastro: at the end, are we having the shapado instance deployed? | 15:08 |
| jcastro | at the end of what? | 15:08 |
| jose | the conversation we had over emails | 15:08 |
| jcastro | oh | 15:08 |
| jcastro | let me check | 15:08 |
| jcastro | ah | 15:09 |
| jcastro | did you try the rack charm? | 15:09 |
| jcastro | it got renamed to "rails" btw | 15:09 |
| jose | you didn't tell me to try anything | 15:09 |
| jose | or you did? | 15:10 |
| jcastro | "Can we try with the rack charm? It would be a more cost-efficient solution." is my last mail from you | 15:10 |
| jcastro | we can expense it on hpcloud or AWS if you wanna prototype | 15:10 |
| jose | ah, by 'we' I thought you | 15:11 |
| jose | I'll try and see what can I do, will reply to the email once I have any results | 15:11 |
| jose | thanks jcastro! | 15:12 |
| jcastro | hey | 15:12 |
| jcastro | did you by any chance move the juju charm call stuff from the fridge calendar? | 15:13 |
| jose | I did, it's on the ubuntuonair calendar | 15:13 |
| jcastro | it needs to be on the fridge calendar | 15:14 |
| jcastro | it broke all the invites | 15:14 |
| jose | as I talked to the news team, the fridge calendar is used for #ubuntu-meeting | 15:15 |
| jose | everything that's ubuntuonair is at the ubuntuonair calendar | 15:15 |
| jcastro | ugh | 15:15 |
| jose | I can try and fix the invites | 15:15 |
| jcastro | no, don't touch anything please! | 15:15 |
| jose | then, what should I do? | 15:16 |
| jose | just leave it in there? | 15:16 |
| jcastro | yes! | 15:16 |
| jcastro | one calendar! | 15:16 |
| jcastro | we don't need 453934084534 community calendars, I can barely get people to show up on time as it is! | 15:17 |
| smartboyhw | I suggest we need a keep calm factoid for ubottu-.- | 15:17 |
| jose | well, at the end it all shows up in the same page but with different colors :P | 15:18 |
| jose | anyways, it'll remain on the fridge calendar | 15:18 |
| jcastro | Only you can prevent calendar proliferation</smokey> | 15:18 |
| jose | :P | 15:19 |
| jcastro | it also got moved to the wrong day, which is why everyone is confused | 15:19 |
| jose | ah, don't blame me for that, I just changed the calendar, not the time/dat | 15:19 |
| jcastro | dholbach, hey for tommorrow's hangout, is there a URL I can send people to now? | 15:32 |
| dholbach | jcastro, ubuntuonair.com | 15:32 |
| jcastro | sort of like "join us tomorrow, for more info see here:" | 15:32 |
| jcastro | thanks | 15:32 |
| dholbach | it's not updated yet though | 15:33 |
| jose | dholbach, jcastro: what is "tomorrow's hangout"? I have not received any emails nor there is something in the calendar | 15:34 |
| dholbach | jose, sorry | 15:37 |
| dholbach | jose, 16-17 UTC tomorrow, "13.10 Wrap-Up" | 15:38 |
| jose | speakers? | 15:38 |
| jcastro | I got an email | 15:38 |
| jose | onair@ubuntu.com didn't | 15:39 |
| dholbach | yeah, sorry - it was still under discussion | 15:39 |
| dholbach | jose, Pat McGowan, Jono Bacon, Jorge Castro, Michael Hall, Thomas Strehl and myself + guests | 15:40 |
| jose | IRC nicks? | 15:40 |
| dholbach | pmcgowan, jono, jcastro, mhall119, thostr_, kgunn | 15:40 |
| dholbach | sorry, missed Kevin Gunn in the first line | 15:40 |
| jono | dholbach, what is the plan for the show? | 15:41 |
| jono | is everyone confirmed? | 15:41 |
| dholbach | jono, do demos or share stories for the individual teams - I mailed everyone about it a couple of times, the time was free in their calendars, so far Jorge and I have demos, I'll mail everyone again and put it into the calendars | 15:43 |
| jono | thanks dholbach | 15:43 |
| jono | dholbach, can you set up a doc where we can coordinate who is doing wha | 15:43 |
| jono | what | 15:43 |
| jono | thanks! | 15:43 |
| dholbach | jono, yep, doing that now | 15:44 |
| jono | thanks dholbach | 15:46 |
| dholbach | jono, done | 15:51 |
| jono | dholbach, thanks! | 15:55 |
| dholbach | anytime | 15:57 |
| dholbach | all right, got to go - dinner's on the table :) | 15:59 |
| dholbach | see you! | 15:59 |
| jose | jono: hey, you're having your Q&A today, right? | 16:22 |
| jono | jose, yep | 16:49 |
| jono | will do it at 11am Pacific | 16:49 |
| jose | great, thanks | 16:49 |
| jono | is that the time in the cal? | 16:49 |
| jono | 6pm UTC | 16:49 |
| jose | it was 12 pacific, 19 (7pm) UTC | 16:50 |
| jose | already moved it | 16:50 |
| jono | thanks jose | 16:51 |
| jose | :) | 16:51 |
| jono | jose, setting up the hangout now | 17:50 |
| jose | great, thanks | 17:53 |
| jose | jono: please, make sure to tell people to subscribe to us at youtube.com/ubuntuonair and follow us on twitter at twitter.com/ubuntuonair | 18:25 |
| khildin | jono, I think the crashreport in saucy will hit the privacy discussion again. What is 'the community' doing for damage control? | 19:23 |
| popey | khildin: we've had crash reporting enabled on the desktop for a long while now. what's the issue? | 19:26 |
| khildin | popey, I think this video explains quite well what is happening: it seems the crashreports send more info than needed, for instance IP adresses are sent with the crashreport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6c90W1AGls | 19:29 |
| khildin | or better formulated: ip addresses are sent as part of the crashreport | 19:29 |
| popey | he's wildly inaccurate | 19:31 |
| khildin | IMO Canonical/Ubuntu community should anticipate a LOT more on these kind of things to explain why certain info is sent... | 19:31 |
| khildin | popey, that's part of why I asked what is going to be done on damage control... | 19:32 |
| popey | "so anything a computer does on your IP address is logged by the smart scope service" | 19:32 |
| popey | is just wrong | 19:32 |
| khildin | maybe he is wrong... I can't judge that... I do know the guy is a popular video blogger and a lot of bad karma is spread this way | 19:33 |
| popey | "I don't like that data being available to the public" | 19:34 |
| popey | it isn't | 19:34 |
| khildin | itis available to the dev community? | 19:36 |
| khildin | that is more or less public isn't it? | 19:37 |
| popey | no | 19:37 |
| popey | he (and now you) are making incorrect assumptions about who has access | 19:37 |
| khildin | I make the assumption that the data is available for ubuntu (community)devs, is that a wrong assuption? | 19:39 |
| popey | yes | 19:39 |
| khildin | then to whom is the data available? | 19:39 |
| popey | not public, not all ubuntu community devs | 19:41 |
| Pici | every website you visit gets your ip address. | 19:43 |
| khildin | that's turning around the answer but ok, can you explain why it is necessary to add an IP address to the _content_ of a crashreport? I mean, what extra value does it have for, for example, a rythmbox crash to add the IP address?? | 19:44 |
| popey | probably easier to read the documentation.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker | 19:45 |
| khildin | Pici, what I understand is that the IP address is added to the crashreport... that is something else than getting the ip addres of a visitor on a website | 19:45 |
| popey | You're mixing two things up here. | 19:46 |
| khildin | probably... :) | 19:46 |
| popey | (as a result of quidsup video blurring two things) | 19:46 |
| popey | He showed IP address for smart scopes, he didn't say IP address went with crash reports. | 19:47 |
| khildin | but I am confronted with a discussion about this on facebook (Dutch linux group) and there are a lot of assumptions and accusations flying around... that's why I ask here how things realy are | 19:47 |
| popey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartScopes1304Spec | 19:50 |
| khildin | and what are the changes for saucy? | 19:52 |
| popey | smart scopes weren't in 13.04 | 19:53 |
| popey | the crash reporter was | 19:53 |
| khildin | ah.. there were postponed and didn't make it to 13.04 | 19:54 |
| popey | Correct | 19:54 |
| khildin | clear info popey... thnx.. I will add that last link to the discussion... It states clearly what is stored and what not, what is available to 3rd parties and what not... | 19:57 |
| popey | i left two comments on his video | 19:57 |
| popey | quidsup makes wild speculation that stuff is available to 3rd parties | 19:57 |
| popey | which is fine, people can make accusations, but it leads to this conversation ☻ | 19:58 |
| khildin | it is important that these kind of stories get explained... otherwise it will do a lot of harm | 20:00 |
| khildin | I don't think it is a good thing to ignore this | 20:00 |
| popey | I dont think we're ignoring it, by fully documenting it on the wiki ☻ | 20:17 |
| jcastro | I love it when people make stuff up! | 20:34 |
| jcastro | popey, were you around when the people on /r/linux were claiming that we NIHed Upstart as a response to systemD? | 20:34 |
| popey | heh | 20:35 |
| jcastro | In shocking news today people are finding out that an internet search tool is using the _internet_ to return results | 20:36 |
| popey | in other news, web servers have logs | 20:37 |
| jcastro | popey, he appears to be one of your countrymen | 20:40 |
| jcastro | therefore I blame you | 20:40 |
| popey | heh | 20:40 |
| popey | he's coming to the release party, I'll introduce him to Ev so he can ask questions about stuff | 20:41 |
| jcastro | http://media.tumblr.com/906b4f6c254db98c2b8bb01b064382b2/tumblr_inline_mlxce6wTJi1qz4rgp.gif | 20:42 |
| jcastro | see what I did there? | 20:43 |
| popey | ☻ | 20:43 |
| bkerensa | poor popey | 21:41 |
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