[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[15:04] <jcastro> http://iloveubuntu.net/mass-effects-sam-hulick-created-sams-song-song-implemented-default-ubuntu-touch-sounds
[15:04] <jcastro> well done!
[15:07] <jose> jcastro: have a min?
[15:07] <jcastro> jose, go
[15:08] <jose> jcastro: at the end, are we having the shapado instance deployed?
[15:08] <jcastro> at the end of what?
[15:08] <jose> the conversation we had over emails
[15:08] <jcastro> oh
[15:08] <jcastro> let me check
[15:09] <jcastro> ah
[15:09] <jcastro> did you try the rack charm?
[15:09] <jcastro> it got renamed to "rails" btw
[15:09] <jose> you didn't tell me to try anything
[15:10] <jose> or you did?
[15:10] <jcastro> "Can we try with the rack charm? It would be a more cost-efficient solution." is my last mail from you
[15:10] <jcastro> we can expense it on hpcloud or AWS if you wanna prototype
[15:11] <jose> ah, by 'we' I thought you
[15:11] <jose> I'll try and see what can I do, will reply to the email once I  have any results
[15:12] <jose> thanks jcastro!
[15:12] <jcastro> hey
[15:13] <jcastro> did you by any chance move the juju charm call stuff from the fridge calendar?
[15:13] <jose> I did, it's on the ubuntuonair calendar
[15:14] <jcastro> it needs to be on the fridge calendar
[15:14] <jcastro> it broke all the invites
[15:15] <jose> as I talked to the news team, the fridge calendar is used for #ubuntu-meeting
[15:15] <jose> everything that's ubuntuonair is at the ubuntuonair calendar
[15:15] <jcastro> ugh
[15:15] <jose> I can try and fix the invites
[15:15] <jcastro> no, don't touch anything please!
[15:16] <jose> then, what should I do?
[15:16] <jose> just leave it in there?
[15:16] <jcastro> yes!
[15:16] <jcastro> one calendar!
[15:17] <jcastro> we don't need 453934084534 community calendars, I can barely get people to show up on time as it is!
[15:17] <smartboyhw> I suggest we need a keep calm factoid for ubottu-.-
[15:18] <jose> well, at the end it all shows up in the same page but with different colors :P
[15:18] <jose> anyways, it'll remain on the fridge calendar
[15:18] <jcastro> Only you can prevent calendar proliferation</smokey>
[15:19] <jose> :P
[15:19] <jcastro> it also got moved to the wrong day, which is why everyone is confused
[15:19] <jose> ah, don't blame me for that, I just changed the calendar, not the time/dat
[15:32] <jcastro> dholbach, hey for tommorrow's hangout, is there a URL I can send people to now?
[15:32] <dholbach> jcastro, ubuntuonair.com
[15:32] <jcastro> sort of like "join us tomorrow, for more info see here:"
[15:32] <jcastro> thanks
[15:33] <dholbach> it's not updated yet though
[15:34] <jose> dholbach, jcastro: what is "tomorrow's hangout"? I have not received any emails nor there is something in the calendar
[15:37] <dholbach> jose, sorry
[15:38] <dholbach> jose, 16-17 UTC tomorrow, "13.10 Wrap-Up"
[15:38] <jose> speakers?
[15:38] <jcastro> I got an email
[15:39] <jose> onair@ubuntu.com didn't
[15:39] <dholbach> yeah, sorry - it was still under discussion
[15:40] <dholbach> jose, Pat McGowan, Jono Bacon, Jorge Castro, Michael Hall, Thomas Strehl and myself + guests
[15:40] <jose> IRC nicks?
[15:40] <dholbach> pmcgowan, jono, jcastro, mhall119, thostr_, kgunn
[15:40] <dholbach> sorry, missed Kevin Gunn in the first line
[15:41] <jono> dholbach, what is the plan for the show?
[15:41] <jono> is everyone confirmed?
[15:43] <dholbach> jono, do demos or share stories for the individual teams - I mailed everyone about it a couple of times, the time was free in their calendars, so far Jorge and I have demos, I'll mail everyone again and put it into the calendars
[15:43] <jono> thanks dholbach
[15:43] <jono> dholbach, can you set up a doc where we can coordinate who is doing wha
[15:43] <jono> what
[15:43] <jono> thanks!
[15:44] <dholbach> jono, yep, doing that now
[15:46] <jono> thanks dholbach
[15:51] <dholbach> jono, done
[15:55] <jono> dholbach, thanks!
[15:57] <dholbach> anytime
[15:59] <dholbach> all right, got to go - dinner's on the table :)
[15:59] <dholbach> see you!
[16:22] <jose> jono: hey, you're having your Q&A today, right?
[16:49] <jono> jose, yep
[16:49] <jono> will do it at 11am Pacific
[16:49] <jose> great, thanks
[16:49] <jono> is that the time in the cal?
[16:49] <jono> 6pm UTC
[16:50] <jose> it was 12 pacific, 19 (7pm) UTC
[16:50] <jose> already moved it
[16:51] <jono> thanks jose
[16:51] <jose> :)
[17:50] <jono> jose, setting up the hangout now
[17:53] <jose> great, thanks
[18:25] <jose> jono: please, make sure to tell people to subscribe to us at youtube.com/ubuntuonair and follow us on twitter at twitter.com/ubuntuonair
[19:23] <khildin> jono, I think the crashreport in saucy will hit the privacy discussion again. What is 'the community' doing for damage control?
[19:26] <popey> khildin: we've had crash reporting enabled on the desktop for a long while now. what's the issue?
[19:29] <khildin> popey, I think this video explains quite well what is happening: it seems the crashreports send more info than needed, for instance IP adresses are sent with the crashreport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6c90W1AGls
[19:29] <khildin> or better formulated: ip addresses are sent as part of the crashreport
[19:31] <popey> he's wildly inaccurate
[19:31] <khildin> IMO Canonical/Ubuntu community should anticipate a LOT more on these kind of things to explain why certain info is sent...
[19:32] <khildin> popey, that's part of why I asked what is going to be done on damage control...
[19:32] <popey> "so anything a computer does on your IP address is logged by the smart scope service"
[19:32] <popey> is just wrong
[19:33] <khildin> maybe he is wrong... I can't judge that... I do know the guy is a popular video blogger and a lot of bad karma is spread this way
[19:34] <popey> "I don't like that data being available to the public"
[19:34] <popey> it isn't
[19:36] <khildin> itis available to the dev community?
[19:37] <khildin> that is more or less public isn't it?
[19:37] <popey> no
[19:37] <popey> he (and now you) are making incorrect assumptions about who has access
[19:39] <khildin> I make the assumption that the data is available for ubuntu (community)devs, is that a wrong assuption?
[19:39] <popey> yes
[19:39] <khildin> then to whom is the data available?
[19:41] <popey> not public, not all ubuntu community devs
[19:43] <Pici> every website you visit gets your ip address.
[19:44] <khildin> that's turning around the answer but ok, can you explain why it is necessary to add an IP address to the _content_ of a crashreport? I mean, what extra value does it have for, for example, a rythmbox crash to add the IP address??
[19:45] <popey> probably easier to read the documentation.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker
[19:45] <khildin> Pici, what I understand is that the IP address is added to the crashreport... that is something else than getting the ip addres of a visitor on a website
[19:46] <popey> You're mixing two things up here.
[19:46] <khildin> probably... :)
[19:46] <popey> (as a result of quidsup video blurring two things)
[19:47] <popey> He showed IP address for smart scopes, he didn't say IP address went with crash reports.
[19:47] <khildin> but I am confronted with a discussion about this on facebook (Dutch linux group) and there are a lot of assumptions and accusations flying around... that's why I ask here how things realy are
[19:50] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartScopes1304Spec
[19:52] <khildin> and what are the changes for saucy?
[19:53] <popey> smart scopes weren't in 13.04
[19:53] <popey> the crash reporter was
[19:54] <khildin> ah.. there were postponed and didn't make it to 13.04
[19:54] <popey> Correct
[19:57] <khildin> clear info popey... thnx.. I will add that last link to the discussion... It states clearly what is stored and what not, what is available to 3rd parties and what not...
[19:57] <popey> i left two comments on his video
[19:57] <popey> quidsup makes wild speculation that stuff is available to 3rd parties
[19:58] <popey> which is fine, people can make accusations, but it leads to this conversation ☻
[20:00] <khildin> it is important that these kind of stories get explained... otherwise it will do a lot of harm
[20:00] <khildin> I don't think it is a good thing to ignore this
[20:17] <popey> I dont think we're ignoring it, by fully documenting it on the wiki ☻
[20:34] <jcastro> I love it when people make stuff up!
[20:34] <jcastro> popey, were you around when the people on /r/linux were claiming that we NIHed Upstart as a response to systemD?
[20:35] <popey> heh
[20:36] <jcastro> In shocking news today people are finding out that an internet search tool is using the _internet_ to return results
[20:37] <popey> in other news, web servers have logs
[20:40] <jcastro> popey, he appears to be one of your countrymen
[20:40] <jcastro> therefore I blame you
[20:40] <popey> heh
[20:41] <popey> he's coming to the release party, I'll introduce him to Ev so he can ask questions about stuff
[20:42] <jcastro> http://media.tumblr.com/906b4f6c254db98c2b8bb01b064382b2/tumblr_inline_mlxce6wTJi1qz4rgp.gif
[20:43] <jcastro> see what I did there?
[20:43] <popey> ☻
[21:41] <bkerensa> poor popey