[02:53] <tamer> global menu yokmu olm bu gnome da
[02:53] <tamer> ekranin ustunde 120 px bedava bosşluk
[02:53] <tamer> olacak iş değil
[05:48] <richardsdma> hello!
[05:50] <richardsdma> i have just tested ubuntu gnome and the display does not turn off. i have an amd laptop with a x1270 video card. 5.5 years old!
[08:49] <AlumniUS> hey when is Ubuntu Gnome 13.10 going to be released?
[13:12] <Forage> I've been staring at my brand new laptop for two days now because I didn't want to waste time upgrading from 13.04 to 13.10 with two days ahead of me. Just in case: will Ubuntu GNOME 13.10 be released tomorrow as well or is this still unsure?
[13:14] <mgedmin> AFAIU, since Ubuntu GNOME uses the same repositories, you'll get upgrade prompts from Update Manager  at the same time
[13:14] <mgedmin> installable CD images are a different question
[13:14] <Forage> downloadable iso's will do just fine :-)
[13:16] <Forage> the wait safes me installing 13.04 now and update to 13.10 two days later, but the baby just screams to be taken for a spin and I don't want to leave her hanging for another week ;-)
[13:21] <bjsnider> Forage, i really don't think that's a very good plan
[13:21] <bjsnider> the latest daily spin is 99.9999% of the final release
[13:21] <bjsnider> only a few minor bugfixes at most will be different
[13:22] <Forage> i.e. 13.10 final will be available tomorrow?
[13:30] <Forage> Nice: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/gnome-irc-app-polari-in-development at least it can't be worse then using Empathy :-/
[13:33] <bjsnider> that should be "than"
[13:33] <Forage> hehe, ty :-P
[13:38] <mgedmin> ah, but is it packaged for ubuntu?
[13:39] <Forage> mgedmin: too soon, it's still very early in development, self compile only at this stage
[16:45] <phillw> your 13.10 iso's are back for testing, expect a further re-spin though.
[16:52] <Morgus> hey when is ubuntu gnome 13.10 going out?
[16:53] <phillw> Morgus: same time as all the others! thursday PM (UTC). #ubuntu-release will have the announcement
[16:54] <Morgus> <3 it
[16:54] <Morgus> thx
[16:55] <phillw> Morgus: sorry, it is #ubuntu-release (not plural :) )
[16:57] <phillw> Morgus: 3rd time lucky? .... #ubuntu-release-party :D
[17:04] <nadrimajstor> I have my private dedicated server located in Germany, with a 100MBit/s connection (unlimited data plan), which usually is doing nothing. Is there a need for mirroring some ISOs? Or I could just seed them via torrent...
[17:09] <phillw> nadrimajstor: you can torrent if you wish, I use a script for http://phillw.net/isos/ which pulls in all the flavours with the exception of ubuntu 'main' (they have enough seeders for that) for direct download.
[17:09] <phillw> I take each milestone and final.
[17:15] <phillw> nadrimajstor: to save hammering the cd.server, it uses the previous milestone and then does an zsync. I'll be happy to pass you the script; but I did not write it! If you have any queries you'd need to ask the author who looks after it.
[17:20] <nadrimajstor> I could manage some BASH scripting on my own.. Thank you... (I always forget that I could do diff downloads)
[17:21] <nadrimajstor> I like the features of GNOME 3.10... And could spare 3-4 hours per week to help.
[17:23] <nadrimajstor> However, beside admin BASH and Python scripting, my coding skills are limited.
[17:24] <nadrimajstor> I could do Serbian Latin/Cyrillic translation :?
[17:27] <phillw> nadrimajstor: all teams are always looking for translators :)
[17:28] <phillw> zsync is the fastest way to download if you already have a base ISO. it needs installing as is not the default (rsync is, but needs more data to refresh an image).
[17:29] <phillw> if there is no image for a base, zsync will go and grab the entire file :)
[17:35] <nadrimajstor> Translation wiki... COMING SOON! :'(
[19:15] <bjsnider> ricotz, so, for whatever it's worth, i managed to build empathy 10.1 debs here
[19:16] <bjsnider> as long as you're not trying to build it with unity or uoa it's more or less fine
[19:16] <bjsnider> so that's where the underlinking is
[19:17] <bjsnider> but it's going to be a huge change, because all of these little account-plugin-xx packages will be gone. so the end result will be more like debian's packaging
[19:18] <bjsnider> also /usr/share/dpkg/buildflags.mk is causing a ftbfs, so i had to comment that out
[19:19] <bjsnider> and almost all the builds get a dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for debian/empathy/usr/lib/empathy/libempathy-3.10.1.so
[19:19] <bjsnider> totally spurious because i can manually run it and it get the dependencies. might be a multiarch issue
[19:35] <bjsnider> darkxst, totem being held back at 3.8 because of clutter?
[20:32] <xjunior> Hey people. After I have a Dell XPS 13. After I installed ubuntu-gnome, I no longer have access to the laptop BIOS Setup or Boot loader. Not even the Dell logo shows up. It goes straight to ubuntu gnome. Can anybody help me or try to?
[20:40] <bjsnider> xjunior, is this efi?
[20:40] <xjunior> yep
[20:40] <xjunior> bjsnider:
[20:41] <bjsnider> did you try holding delete continuously?
[20:44] <bjsnider> i'm sure this h as nothing to di with gnome specifically though
[20:45] <xjunior> bjsnider: Is there a way to, from ubuntu I restart straight into windows?
[20:45] <xjunior> then I can do a bios update
[20:45] <xjunior> maybe if I change the boot order
[20:46] <bjsnider> yes
[20:46] <bjsnider> that's it
[20:47] <darkxst> bjsnider, I havent even looked at totem yet, does it need updated clutter?
[20:48] <bjsnider> i dunno, i just mentioned it because you talked about it in relation to empathy
[20:48] <bjsnider> i'll try to build it here and see what happens
[20:49] <darkxst> empathy doesnt need a new clutter though
[20:49] <bjsnider> no, i built it here and it didn't complain about that
[20:50] <bjsnider> it did complain about a million other things, but not that
[20:51] <darkxst> clutter update is needed for wayland however
[20:52] <bjsnider> meh
[20:52] <bjsnider> i don't see that wayland is used here
[20:54] <darkxst> its not
[20:54] <bjsnider> what's the difference then
[20:54] <bjsnider> forget about it
[20:55] <darkxst> anyway there probably not anything holding back totem, empathy etc, if you wanted prepare the updates ;)
[20:55] <bjsnider> all of the unity/uoa patches are holding back empathy
[20:56] <bjsnider> plus, huge changes to the packaging are necessary
[20:56] <bjsnider> they made a lot of change sunder the hood
[20:56] <bjsnider> all of the account-plugin-xx packages will have to be turned into transitional
[21:08] <xjunior> bjsnider: flashing the BIOS fixed the issue. That was a crazy issue thoguh
[21:08] <xjunior> though
[21:09] <bjsnider> could be a grub2 bug
[21:10] <phillw> EFI and UEFI can be a pain :)
[21:10] <xjunior> bjsnider: I believe so…
[21:10] <xjunior> phillw: yeah… I think it's some messed up stuff the boot repair did
[21:10] <darkxst> bjsnider, can temporarily disable unity/uoa patches while its in staging
[21:11] <bjsnider> darkxst, ok, so there are still 2...
[21:11] <bjsnider> hold on
[21:11] <phillw> I've never had the (mis) fortune to have to install on such kit. My last machine was win7, which just got wiped :)
[21:11] <bjsnider> yeah, still 2 ftbfs issues
[21:12] <bjsnider> darkxst, /usr/share/dpkg/buildflags.mk is causing a ftbfs, so i had to comment that out
[21:12] <phillw> darkxst: hopefully your RC will arrive in next couple of hours. The build machine has been busy today!
[21:12] <bjsnider> and a dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for debian/empathy/usr/lib/empathy/libempathy-3.10.1.so
[21:13] <bjsnider> if you're ok with not adding those buildflags and can figure out the shlibdeps issue i can build it
[21:15] <bjsnider> i tried about 10 builds and that happened 9 times
[21:15] <darkxst> bjsnider, are you using pbuilder?
[21:16] <bjsnider> no
[21:16] <bjsnider> dpkg-buildpackage
[21:18] <bjsnider> it may not happen in the ppa i guess
[21:18] <darkxst> you should always test builds in pbuilder, since it much closer to the ppa builders!
[21:18] <bjsnider> meh
[21:19] <bjsnider> if you want to try a build i'm up for it
[21:19] <bjsnider> i can send you the scripts or whatever you prefer
[21:19] <darkxst> phillw, ok cool!
[21:19] <darkxst> bjsnider, debdiff
[21:20] <bjsnider> just from the one in saucy?
[21:20] <darkxst> bjsnider, and use filterdiff -i "*/debian/*"
[21:21] <phillw> it will have the verision number 20131016.1  They are building now.
[21:21] <phillw> we're eagerly awaiting them on lubuntu, as well :)
[21:22] <darkxst> bjsnider, yeh
[21:22] <bjsnider> filterdiff?
[21:23] <darkxst> bjsnider, do something like `debdiff old.dsc new.dsc | filterdiff -i "*/debian/*"`
[21:23] <bjsnider> if you want
[21:26] <darkxst> bjsnider, you might need to add DPKG_EXPORT_BUILDFLAGS = 1 before buildflags.mk
[21:28] <bjsnider> alright, i'll run a build here to test
[21:40] <darkxst> bjsnider, and use this patch https://bug701903.bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=253915
[21:43] <bjsnider> what would you like me to name it?
[21:49] <darkxst> bjsnider, it replaces the similar patch already in there
[21:49] <darkxst> ubuntu_launch_uoa_panel.patch
[21:57] <darkxst> bjsnider, I have to run, will be back later
[21:57] <bjsnider> ok
[21:59] <bjsnider> alright, got the debdiff
[23:52] <phillw> Hi ubuntu-gnome people. you final ISO should be arriving within the next hour (or three). http://launchpad.net/bugs/966480 is fix released and should not trouble you on the 20131016.1 build. Please just be patient and watch on #ubuntu-quality for the bot announce they have landed. Re-testing and finding older bugs is just frustrating :)