[02:14] <James_Epp> I'm looking for a software recommendation as well as a guide possibility. I want to get a mail server up and running (preferably smtp/imap) that can host multiple domains. Nothing super fancy. Mailpile would be great for this, but yeah.....it's in dev. My skills are not what they could be. I'm one of those people where if they can't apt-get it or download a .deb, they are lost. GUI would be preferred, but I'm not scared of a lit
[02:37] <tjj> If there's an ubuntu server that I'm rebooting remotely, is there a way to know the very instant that ssh becomes available?
[02:38] <James_Epp> tjj: you could just ping the server. idk about ssh specifically, though.
[02:39] <tjj> James_Epp: Yeah that was my first thought but unfortunately the system responds to pings way before sshd starts
[02:39] <James_Epp> tjj: mmkay
[02:40] <James_Epp> tjj: IDK how well it would work, but you could try "watch ssh user@server"
[02:44] <tjj> James_Epp: Yeah I was hoping for something scriptable...I'll just head over to serverfault
[02:44] <James_Epp> tjj: Good luck!
[02:47] <rostam> HI if i need to modify initramfs (/etc/fstab), are there any references how to do it? thx
[08:07] <jamespage> zul, I pushed and uploaded cinder rc3 fyi
[08:07] <jamespage> keystone rc3 should be out shortly will do the same
[08:07] <jamespage> no neutron rc3 planned as yet
[08:30] <jamespage> zul: both done and pushed
[08:48] <g0tcha> heya guys, i have an ubuntu server VM running, anyone can advice on how to create a full system backups of it?
[08:50] <g0tcha> my ubuntu got compromised some how, i found some commands in the 'history' that i did not run
[08:50] <g0tcha> i rebuilt the OS and now in the process of moving the data over to the new install
[08:50] <g0tcha> but im wondering whats the best way to create weekly backups so incase something like this happens again i just revert back to an older, cleaner backup
[08:51] <g0tcha> right now i cant even be sure of my database for example is compromised or not, so moving that to the new install is an issue
[08:51] <g0tcha> ive read about rsync but thats not what i want
[08:51] <g0tcha> rsync would already have synced the compromised files (if any)
[09:05] <Anomie_work> g0tcha: What VPS provider are you using? Some offer automatic updated (Linode)
[09:05] <Anomie_work> But if you're moving the data over, you're probably moving the malicious code over with it too
[09:05] <Anomie_work> /s/d/s
[09:06] <g0tcha> Anomie_work, its a VM im running from home actually
[09:06] <g0tcha> and yeah, i figured that i might be moving the malicious code over thats why im moving only what i think is necessary for now to minimize the risk
[09:07] <g0tcha> but at the same time i want to future-proof by backups incase this happens or simply if the server just breaks down
[09:07] <rbasak> I use tarsnap with the server having a write-only key. Then if I can be confident about the date/time of compromise I can be confident that older backups are not compromised.
[09:12] <g0tcha> rbasak, how does that work?
[09:13] <rbasak> g0tcha: tarsnap works like tar, but deduplicates, encrypts and writes out to a "cloud" location. The key can be split into separate write and read keys if desired. However, it's proprietary (though client source is available). See the tarsnap page for details.
[09:13] <rbasak> It's very Unix-y
[09:17] <g0tcha> rbasak, ib te gettubg started page it says its required to have a Tarsnap account and to egister my machines with that account
[09:17] <g0tcha> is that done only on the "cloud" ? cant be used without creating an account and backing up localy?
[09:17] <rbasak> Correct. Can't be used locally.
[09:18] <rbasak> I wrote "ddar" which is similar but can be used locally. It doesn't do encryption, though (relies on filesystem/ssh encryption)
[09:18] <rbasak> ddar isn't packaged though. I really should get round to doing that.
[09:18] <rbasak> There's also bup and one or two others.
[09:25] <g0tcha> sounds complicated heheh
[09:28] <zotta> I have one program on my server which has a minor bug. Googling around i came to the conclusion that it was introduced in the very version i have and fixed in the next
[09:29] <zotta> how can i install another version?
[09:33] <hitsujiTMO> zotta: how was it installed?
[09:33] <zotta> apt-get
[09:33] <zotta> official repos
[09:34] <zotta> i have looked in aptitude and only one version seems aviable from there
[09:34] <hitsujiTMO> if the later version is not in the repo, then you may want to look for a ppa for the software ... failing that you would prob have to build the latest version yourself
[09:37] <rbasak> zotta: what is the bug, and in what package? We do fix bugs in stable releases by backporting the fixes, provided that they meet some stability criteria: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[09:45] <zotta> rbasak: The problem is that symbolic links are displayed as files which can not be downloaded or accessed in filezilla
[09:46] <zotta> rbasak: i am using ubuntu 12.04 lts
[09:47] <zotta> rbasak: It worked with 10.04 lts
[09:47] <zotta> rbasak: on google i found this thread: http://forum.directadmin.com/showthread.php?t=42402
[09:47] <zotta> rbasak: but it did not work http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.network.proftpd.devel/21
[09:48] <rbasak> zotta: so a filezilla bug?
[09:49] <zotta> it worked with the old server
[09:50] <zotta> it seems to be the combination of proftpd and filezilla
[09:50] <hitsujiTMO> zotta: have you looked at http://askubuntu.com/questions/32001/need-proftpd-to-follow-symbolic-link
[09:52] <zotta> hitsujiTMO: i tested DefaultRoot / and no effect
[09:53] <zotta> well screw it
[11:19] <BrixSat> Hello
[11:19] <BrixSat> anyone with fluentd experience
[11:22] <hitsujiTMO> !details Z BrixSat
[11:22] <hitsujiTMO> !details | BrixSat
[11:26] <BrixSat> hitsujiTMO:  i wold like to know how to make my machines log to fluentd. Im a beguinner on this.
[11:27] <zul> jamespage:  cool im going to start prepping final branches so they will be ready to go
[11:27] <jamespage> zul, okay
[11:28] <BrixSat> I cant find any info on that, i see fluentd loggers but i want something like loggger connect  to local fluentd with cache and then that fluentd connect to remote central fluentd
[11:29] <BrixSat> like logger ---> fluentd_localmachine ---> internet --->fluentd_central_server
[13:01] <zul> jamespage:  im going to update the boto version patch we are carrying
[13:02] <jamespage> zul, you know it sucks upstream still right?
[13:03] <zul> jamespage:  yeah
[13:03] <smoser> what is this ?
[13:03] <zul> jamespage:  its not in the milestone-proposed tree either
[13:04] <smoser> rbasak, just an fyi, i uploaded a change yesterday to simplestreams filter logic
[13:04] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/simplestreams/+bug/1238227
[13:04] <zul> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1239220
[13:04] <smoser> i was/am moderately concerned that i could have broken someone expecting the old logic (although i think that old logic was quite odd)
[13:48] <johest> does someone may have experiene with dell idrac 7 ? i cant connect to the remote shell
[15:15] <g0tcha> quick noob question, is backing up the '/' directory means backing up the whole OS filesystem?
[16:06] <zul> jamespage:  i got keystone rc4
[16:09] <jamespage> zul, coolio
[16:22] <zul> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/rc4/+merge/191454
[16:23] <jamespage> zul, +1 (conditional) - add full stop at end of changelog line :-)
[16:24] <zul> jamespage:  fixed
[16:28] <zul> jamespage:  uploaded
[16:41] <Thirtysixway> could someone tell me if whoopsie/apport on ubuntu server automatically sends crash reports to canonical?
[16:41] <Level15> Hi, all. Got some big issue here: i have an ibm ts3100 tape library. lsscsi shows me the two drives but no media changer device... any hints?
[16:59] <phillw> Hi good people, anyone know why the 13.10 RC has been marked as disabled on the iso-tracker? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds thanks :)
[17:05] <DanielSa> Is there any issue with the update of package procps? I'm getting a error after executing 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[17:08] <jamespage> DanielSa, under LXC or some sort of VPS hosted instance?
[17:08] <jamespage> bug 1157643
[17:09] <DanielSa> vps
[17:12] <DanielSa> Thank you guys. Next time I'll look at launchpad first.
[17:16] <Level15> hi, all: what kernel driver/module should I use for a FC tape autoloader? So far the modules I have loaded show the drives but not the changer device. Thanks.
[17:56] <smoser> zul, 'ipxe' on the server cd bzr blames in ubuntu seeds to you
[17:57] <smoser> the commit message was 'Add ipxe'
[17:57] <smoser> do you have any more information on that that you could provide me with ?
[17:57] <smoser> server cd is oversized, and that seems like a good candidate for shrinkage
[17:57] <smoser> Daviey, maybe you remember something there?>
[17:57] <zul> smoser:  lemme think
[17:59] <zul> smoser:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipxe/+bug/800340
[18:50] <adam_g> jamespage, cinder charms test suite is fixed if you'd like to do the honors of mering the last of the redux branches :)
[19:25] <zul> jamespage:  neutron rc3 coming down the pipe in  a minute
[19:25] <zul> adam_g: ^^^
[19:27] <adam_g> zul, yippie
[19:37] <zul> adam_g:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/neutron/rc3/+merge/191488
[19:45] <zul> adam_g:  thanks
[19:48] <Daviey> smoser: ipxe for qemu, no?
[19:48] <smoser> it was a build dep of xen
[19:48] <smoser> ipxen-qemu was
[19:48] <Daviey> ah
[19:48] <smoser> but that surely doesn' tman it needs to be on the cd
[19:49] <Daviey> no, it could most likely be unseeded
[19:49] <Daviey> smoser: Are we respinning?
[19:49] <Daviey> roaksoax / jamespage: Did the maas upload get in?
[19:50] <smoser> Daviey, maas upload in. yes to respinning to fit on media.
[19:52] <smoser> utlemming, i uploaded cloud-init and walinux for you to precise.
[19:52] <Daviey> smoser: Silly question... but when did it become oversized?
[19:52] <Daviey> zul: neutron accepted into proposed
[19:52] <roaksoax> Daviey: it fid thabkd.
[19:52] <roaksoax> it did*
[19:52] <roaksoax> fid you spprove it?
[19:53] <smoser> i dont know.
 Nobody from the server team is on the server image failure notification list, otherwise you'd have been being mailed about this for some time
[19:53] <smoser> Daviey, ^ "for some time"
[19:55] <Daviey> smoser: Ah, i guess i was removed.
[19:57] <Daviey> smoser: probably worth checking with QA that it should be the most basic of tests. :)
[19:58] <smoser> yeah
[20:00] <Daviey> zul: couldn't rc4 tracker have been the same bug number for all packages? :)
[20:07] <zul> Daviey:  we only had one rc4
[20:08] <zul> Daviey:  but the other rc3 could have probably had one bug number as well
[20:21] <jamespage> smoser, do we need todo anything about size of the iso?
[20:21] <jamespage> I can review the seed list now if need be
[20:21] <smoser> jamespage, fixed.
[20:21] <smoser> droped 48M of ipxe
[20:23] <jamespage> smoser, good-oh
[20:23] <jamespage> we have a smaller subset for kvm/qemu from memory
[20:23] <smoser> well, yeah. ipxe-qemu
[20:23] <smoser> but we didn't add that to the cd.
[20:24] <smoser> i'm not really clear on why we necessarily want any package on the cd
[20:24] <jamespage> smoser, I see lots of stuff that we could drop
[20:24] <jamespage> I don't see iso as much more than something to hang our hat on for release and for small, single server installs anyway
[20:24] <jamespage> drop/move from iso to supported seed
[20:24] <smoser> jamespage, is there some well defined "you put stuff on the cd because..."
[20:25] <smoser> thats my feeling to.
[20:25] <jamespage> smoser, for example all of the cluster stack is on the iso
[20:25]  * jamespage does not understand why
[20:26] <jamespage> smoser, I think there may have been confusion about supported == on the iso
[20:26] <jamespage> which is not the case
[20:26] <smoser> right.
[20:26] <jamespage> munin is on the iso as well
[20:26] <smoser> and coupled with "look at all the space the server iso has empty!"
[20:27] <smoser> which, over time, turned into -30M
[20:27] <jamespage> agreed
[20:27] <jamespage> I think it should really be stuff you can install from the menus
[20:27] <jamespage> tasksel + the boot menu for maas etc..
[20:33] <phillw> excellent. Just as I got told why the ISO's on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds had been disabled with no bug reported :)
[20:53] <harushimo> openstack question
[20:53] <harushimo> its more use on the IAAS side right?
[21:21] <Daviey> smoser / zul / jamespage: Does this make sense to you? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/job/saucy-adt-neutron/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/48/consoleFull
[21:21] <Daviey> (i386 was successful)
[21:22] <jamespage> Daviey, I was just looking at that
[21:23] <jamespage> Daviey, i suspect something racey - I've re-run the test - its executing now
[21:25] <jamespage> Daviey, yeah - the lbaas agent starts but then exist due to missing base configuration
[21:26] <Daviey> jamespage: it certainly doesn't sound right...
[21:26] <jamespage> I guess the check sometimes runs quick enough to catch it OK
[21:26] <jamespage> but not in this case
[21:27] <jamespage> Daviey: that test passed this time round - I'll raise a bug and we can address early next release
[21:30] <jamespage> Daviey: bug 1240712
[21:30] <Daviey> jamespage: thanks
[21:30] <savid> What program controls messages such as "The program foobar is not currently installed. You can install it by typing: apt-get install foobar."? I'm getting an erroneous error message from this when running a command that exists.
[21:35] <savid> There's something ubuntu does to bash that does this. I'm not sure where to find it.
[21:46] <shauno> savid: /usr/lib/command-not-found, from the package 'command-not-found'  (and the hook should be planted in /etc/bash.bashrc)
[21:47] <savid> shauno, awesome, thanks
[21:51] <zul> jamespage:  ill get rc3 horizon tonight as well
[22:11] <Daviey> zul: Did you see horizon rc3 posted? The only change is, https://github.com/openstack/horizon/commit/d3e8e29f1e252e7bffc836056b52c8e4e5a0307c
[22:12] <phillw> 13.10 iso images for server have now been re-built and should be CD sized. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds
[22:24] <zul> Daviey:  yeah i saw it