[04:28] one more day till the end of the world, otherwise known as ubuntu release day [04:28] oh deary me [04:28] what are you doing up diddledan ?! [04:28] daftykins: didn't go to bed :-/ [04:28] D: [04:29] would you like to see a picture? [04:29] here is my friends trap-like home: [04:29] https://www.dropbox.com/s/2yjdj6vtc8sq0hs/IMG_20131016_012728.jpg [04:30] toilet... hole to certain death [04:33] doubleyoo tee eff [04:33] that's twisted [04:34] inorite [04:34] what's down there? [04:57] mostly that friends central heating systems etc. [04:57] and two flats they rent out [05:16] bed time! [06:53] Myrtti: awww http://imgur.com/6oBRyyr [06:54] awwww [07:10] directhex: bee and puppycat is odd [07:12] morning all [07:18] Morning all [07:20] orning dipl [07:21] oh I give up with spelling today [07:26] hah [07:26] Morning mate [07:32] yo [07:33] howdo TheOpenSourcerer [07:42] Gooood Morning! [07:48] Your new giant time waster is.. http://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/ [07:53] Haha, I spent 20 billion cookies on a grandma yesterday === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [07:54] ☻ [07:59] I think I've spent more clock cycles on generating cookies in the past couple of weeks than I have ever contributed to scientific research [08:03] I'm so excited .____________. [08:07] and you just can't hide it? [08:07] release party tomorrow \o/ [08:10] Ah yeah, I need to make sure I leave at a reasonable time this time [08:10] I know I say that every time, but this time I do actually have stuff to do on the Friday [08:11] and, yeah, I say that each time, too [08:17] Good morning peeps :) [08:24] SuperMatt: nope, too excited! [08:24] http://i.imgur.com/RtbbB.gif [08:25] I'm looking forward to the release party [08:25] I won't be drinking though, I've given up (again) [08:25] oh yeah there's a release day tomorrow [08:25] we'll be on the road [08:25] a roadtrip to the office, no less [08:26] Wow, forgot that tomorrow is Thursday. I have no idea when I am [08:27] Frundesday [08:27] bigcalm: dun dun DUUUUNNNN [08:28] Myrtti: 1st day back in the office to do work. As much as I hated being ill, I did get used to not having to think about days of the week [08:29] Morning JamesTait. What day is it today? [08:30] Oscar Wilde was born in 1854 [08:31] Boromir reaches Rivendell [08:31] apparently [08:31] and apparently tomorrow is the Council of Elrond [08:32] ooohhh! [08:33] Boromir. [08:33] Aw man, I knew there was somewhere else I was meant to be [08:33] at the council of Elrond? [08:33] Yes [08:34] well you have a day to get to Rivendell [08:34] get cracking [08:34] Good morning all; happy Global Dignity Day! :-D [08:34] in case anyone is interested in a Philips wet and dry shaver, there's one on Amazon lightning deals in half an hour. I'll be trying to get one for D myself. [08:34] if you go by car it shouldn't take you anywhere near as long as it took frodo [08:34] JamesTait: you just listed all the things I don't havae [08:34] -a [08:35] SuperMatt, maybe Feral Cat Day works better for you? [08:35] yes thanks [08:35] \o/ [08:37] good morning everyone, [08:38] Myrtti: do you have a link? [08:39] bigcalm: http://www.amazon.co.uk/deals-offers-savings http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00D84IPF2/ [08:41] 100 quid now, what is it likely to be in the lightning deal? [08:41] The deals-offers-savings link you pasted doesn't work for me [08:42] Aha, I see [08:42] Works via the site with extra gubbins [08:42] I'm in need of a new shaver [08:43] I'd say probably 60-70 [08:44] bigcalm: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008PPGHOA/ [08:45] Note that you do NOT want the newer version. [08:46] oh man that page fails to load fully [08:46] jpds: why? [08:47] lolok "But more importantly, if you ever run out of charge mid-shave, there's no way of using it off the mains! It's cordless only." [08:48] oh man, the leafblowers are back [08:48] abandon all hope all ye who enter [08:50] My current shaver is mains only as well :( [08:51] yes well that's the exact opposite [08:58] Oops [08:58] I mean doesn't work when plugged into mains [08:58] I r ill? [08:59] 50s, hope it's a good deal [08:59] rewriting my windows keymap to support all the deadkeys I'm used to. newfound appreciation for how weird keyboards are, but still too sober to try to this in xkbd (one day ...) [09:00] 80 quid... [09:00] Is it worth it? [09:00] dunno [09:01] Ooo, with the trimmer attachment, I wonder if Hayley will cut my hair with it [09:02] Dunc said he'd be fine if it's about 50quid [09:02] before he boarded his plane [09:02] Myrtti: is he flying to TRE or HEL ? [09:02] tre of course [09:03] Stanstead and Pirkkala are so much closer than Heathrow/Luton/Gatwick and Helsinki [09:03] * bigcalm drops it from his basket [09:04] bigcalm: yeah I'm not sure it's worth it either [09:07] Myrtti: thanks for pointing it out though :) [09:07] I might look in on the deals now and then [09:08] Heh, I ordered that shaver from amazon a couple weeks ago, ended up cancelling the order because they couldn't deliver it & getting a different one [09:10] I won't buy an electric shaver unless I can run ubuntu on it [09:11] also, I would have to actually have to be able to grow a beard [09:11] my baby face doesn't allow it [09:16] i have hairdressers clippers [09:16] more robust [09:19] popey: I'm guessing they don't see much action going by a recent mocking of your hair ;) [09:19] :D [09:19] i only use it for beardy [09:19] hehe [09:20] popey: I have those also for hair. need to dig them out again, getting to be a bit of a mop [09:30] I had to get rid of my clippers. poor impulse control. More than once I woke up with a hangover and a conscript-cut. [09:30] Hehe [09:31] Until reading the whole line, I thought your clippers worked on impulse power [09:31] that could be dangerous [09:31] Impulse power only Mr Crusher [09:32] make it sew [09:33] I've been trying to grow my hair back out for years. but it seems to go through the stages of short, the 60's, urgh, the 70's, and then long. [09:33] it's not so easy to get through the middle stages without getting sick of it and lopping it all off [09:34] it's been ten years since i had my hair cut :O [09:34] I hate having hair longer than a few CM [09:35] oh, if there any kubuntu'ites here we now have polo shirts for sale :D [09:35] I miss long hair. but in between short and long, thar be dragons [09:35] I don't miss having a mop [09:35] My hair grows quickly and thickly. Not good for anything [09:37] my hair doesn't grow long, it grows curly [09:37] sideways nonsense [09:39] Myrtti: Newer version has less battery life+lower quality blades. [09:40] oh hoorah [09:40] the spotify native client started working again [09:40] what version you on? [09:41] i feel i should have an update somewhere [09:41] 1:0.9.4.183.g644e24e.428-1 [09:41] 0.9.4.183.g644e24e0 [09:41] * popey squints [09:41] i copied it from the about dialog [09:41] different machine [09:41] git tag in ordered version number [09:42] OH GOD HOW DO I COMPUTER [09:42] \o/ crashed [09:42] mainly checked because i noticed that lastfm scrobbling from the web client was knackered [09:43] http://www.last.fm/user/lan3y/now [09:43] ace of base :> [09:43] http://www.last.fm/user/popeydc/now [09:43] ☻ [09:44] I've had the Top Gun soundtrack on loop for a while, I'm not going anywhere near Last.fm for a bit [09:46] jpds: right [09:46] BigRedS: that's why I don't 'scrobble'. some things shouldn't be admitted in public :p [09:46] be proud [09:46] hi [09:46] hi [09:46] hi [09:46] hi [09:46] hi [09:47] Hi [09:47] how do i set ubuntu t alert me of security updates in the terminal [09:47] apticron [09:47] my previous vps had something like that during login [09:47] bigcalm: oh you had to be different ;) [09:47] sorry, we can only do "hi" [09:47] yeah, there's a motd thing that pops up on login? [09:47] MooDoo: sorry, can't help myself [09:47] but i figured this was a default ubuntu thing [09:47] yeah [09:47] apticron [09:47] it used to tell me of security updates and recommended updates [09:47] does that update motd bigcalm ? [09:48] what [09:48] popey: does for me [09:48] yes, i know that, hang on [09:48] something related to landscape iirc [09:48] http://www.last.fm/user/myrtti wheee [09:49] oh i need motd? [09:49] how do i install that [09:49] ixxvil: Yes, the feature is called 'update-motd'. [09:49] Your musical compatibility with myrtti is Low [09:49] :( [09:49] ixxvil: sudo apt-get install update-motd [09:49] update-notifier [09:50] hm, just in update-notifier-common [09:50] ok installed it [09:50] appears to be update-notifier-common on mine, but I expect one requires the other? [09:50] Received disconnect from 127.0.0.1: 2: Too many authentication failures for alan [09:50] relogged in to my ssh, not seeing it [09:50] oof [09:50] oops [09:50] do i need to set it up? [09:51] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6244774/ [09:51] jpds: not seeing it during login after installation [09:52] ooh i need to write a script [09:53] Is what I have been suggesting not what is required? [09:53] are you talking to me [09:54] ixxvil: I use apitcron. The pastebin paste above is what I see when I log into my servers [09:54] yes thats it [09:54] thats the same thing i had previously [09:54] i'm sure that info is from landscape-client or something [09:55] i installed update-motd but it looks like i need to write a script [09:55] directhex: I don't use landscape [09:55] bigcalm, neither do i [09:55] bigcalm, regardless, check dpkg -l \*landscape\* [09:55] Okay [09:55] you shouldn't need to write a script, update-notifier-common provides it [09:56] bigcalm: so instaled that [09:56] apticron [09:56] :) [09:56] ixxvil: sudo apt-get update;exit;login [09:56] ok i still see nothing [09:56] relogged in [09:57] Odd [09:57] I thought it came from apticron [09:57] just install apticron? [09:57] or i have to config it? [09:57] I know that apticron will email you daily if there are updates to install [09:57] E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied) [09:57] E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ [09:58] my understanding is pam_motd should call run-parts /etc/update-motd.d/ at login, and you should have a 90-updates-available in /etc/update-motd.d/ [09:58] ixxvil: you need to install it as root [09:58] oo [09:58] no [09:58] ixxvil: you need to be root to install anything from the cli [09:58] apticron sends email [09:58] no? [09:58] ixxvil: is asking about login screen [09:59] so should i uninstall it and then reinstalll? [09:59] update-motd is the thing that updates the motd, as mentioned by jpds ☻ [09:59] if so how do i uninstall [09:59] popey: what bigcalm mentioned is exactly wht im looking for, the same thing [09:59] hang fire dude [10:00] I thought it came from apticron, I could be wrong [10:00] update-notifier-common is the thing that actually provides the script which gets updates [10:00] so you need update-notifier-common and update-motd [10:00] i need to install these as root? [10:00] not sudoer? [10:00] sudo apt-get install update-motd update-notifier-common [10:00] done [10:00] motd is already done [10:01] Ah, just had a thought. I'm referring to server installs. Are you doing this on a desktop install? It might not include what I've been talking about by default [10:01] no ssh [10:01] ? [10:02] its not a desktop, it's a vps [10:02] and im doing via ssh [10:02] I have no idea then :( [10:02] * bigcalm goes back to pretending to work [10:03] yay [10:03] thanks [10:03] that worked [10:04] howeverim not seeing system info like in bigcalm 's paste [10:04] thats from landscape-client I believe [10:04] and landscape isnt free last i checked [10:04] yes, it is [10:05] the client [10:05] oh so what would i be paying for [10:05] That's not landscape. [10:05] you're right, it's not [10:05] oh [10:05] so what is it then [10:06] could that be the apticron thingy? [10:06] no. [10:06] apticron sends emails when there are system updates [10:07] ah [10:07] Stop guessing random things. [10:07] anyone going to linuxcon next week? [10:07] jpds: so what is it then? [10:08] ixxvil: 'man update-motd'. [10:08] http://askubuntu.com/questions/7949/where-does-the-system-information-information-come-from-on-login [10:08] landscape-sysinfo.. [10:08] And everything comes from /etc/update-motd.d/ . [10:09] i have to install landscape-common [10:09] says that article [10:09] do i? [10:09] Yeah, why not. [10:09] You shouldn't actually need landscape-client. [10:10] If this was a server install, why isn't it all there by default? [10:10] I swear that I haven't had to configure this myself [10:11] yeah, it's landscape-common, not landscape-client [10:11] bigcalm: depends who created the vps image [10:11] might not be stock [10:11] Okay [10:11] often isnt on a VPS [10:11] yay [10:11] landscape-common it is [10:11] i did [10:12] its a fresh install of 12.04 [10:12] with basic things [10:12] im not running 100 websites [10:13] wel thats odd [10:13] users logged in : 0 [10:13] shouldnt it show me as 1? [10:13] I have Ubuntu 12.04.3 installed on a virtualbox vm from yesterday. I can confirm that apticron does not edit the motd. Sorry about that. Though I do wonder if apticront is running apt-get update on a daily basis - or is this done anyway on servers? [10:14] s/apticront/apticron [10:15] ok the user thing is 0 as usual [10:16] bigcalm: well for me apticron isnt going to do anything nless i install it as root so [10:16] i dont think its fetching anything for me at the moment [10:16] the one popey and jpds mentioned seems to have done it [10:16] + commons [10:17] ixxvil: I meant that to install anything from the CLI one has to have elevated privileges. Either by being root or using sudo [10:17] oh right [10:17] i do [10:18] The line you pasted meant 1 of 2 things. 1. you were not root or didn't use sudo when you did apt-get install apticron. 2. you had another package manager running that was locking the file [10:18] The error line that is [10:19] i used sudo [10:19] but it says i need to be root [10:20] i installed apticron after installing update-motd [10:20] ixxvil: you dont need to "be root", you just need to have the privs of root, which sudo gives you [10:21] right [10:21] but this is weird [10:21] what is? [10:21] i get the system info now but not the security alerts [10:22] maybe you have no pending security updates? [10:22] if so shouldnt it say at the bottom? [10:22] : 0? [10:22] No, it doesn't appear to do so [10:22] If you run sudo apt-get update; exit; login [10:22] 0 packages can be updated. [10:22] 0 updates are security updates. [10:22] You will then see the magic numbers again [10:22] yeah i dont see that [10:23] I don't always see the numbers if I've recently logged in or run dist-upgrade I think [10:23] i jsut ran that [10:23] it fetched a bunch of stuff [10:23] so you have no updates? [10:23] and logged me out [10:24] http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/video-streamers/sky-now-tv-box-review-50011842/ + http://community.mediabrowser.tv/permalinks/14670/guide-to-installing-mediabrowser3-onto-the-now-tv-box [10:24] So if you now ssh back into the server, you might see something [10:24] ah it shows up now [10:24] looks interesting [10:24] 59 packages can be updated. [10:24] 25 updates are security updates. [10:24] Right [10:24] for updating those 25 seurity updates [10:24] how do i do it [10:25] sudo apt-get update [10:25] sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [10:25] oh [10:25] ok [10:25] that would pull in all of the updates though [10:25] Am I thinking that apticron does a daily "apt-get update" or should that already be happening? [10:25] true [10:25] it already happens [10:26] lright thx [10:26] as I said (a few times) apticron is for mailing you when there are updates ☻ [10:26] which bigcalm does [10:26] i saw that in the paste [10:27] ya, i do as well [10:27] ye im not superanal about that unless i was a sysadmin [10:28] one last thing [10:28] you guys got a decent iptabnle ruleset i can use? [10:28] Morning all [10:28] the one that comes with my vps is absolute trash [10:28] ixxvil: ufw ? [10:28] it drops eveything [10:28] ye i heard about ufw [10:28] Morning davmor2 [10:28] what is it [10:28] $MORNING [10:28] !ufw | ixxvil [10:28] ixxvil: Ubuntu, like any other Linux distribution, has built-in firewall capabilities. The firewall is managed using the 'ufw' command - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW | GUI frontends such as Gufw also exist. | An alternative to ufw is the 'iptables' command - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo [10:28] why am i still playing this cookie game [10:29] ali1234: because it's cookies [10:29] this game reminds me a lot of eve online, except without the griefers [10:29] ixxvil: So, to allow SSH, you would do: sudo ufw allow 22; sudo ufw enable [10:29] oh, crud [10:30] left that running [10:30] oh my god [10:30] ixxvil: Then do: sudo ufw status verbose --- to see it running. [10:30] ufw is so easy [10:30] 30 million cookies later [10:30] ixxvil: And that's the point. ;-) [10:30] i am about to hit 500 million cookies [10:30] there it goes [10:31] ixxvil: Of course, you can do: "sudo iptables -L -vn" to see what it does under the hood. [10:31] heh [10:31] ufw is good. it's syntax is a little confusing when you try to do advanced things like allow incoming connections only from one IP [10:32] is that an advanced thing to ask of a firewall? [10:33] it is for ufw, yes [10:33] ali1234: Really? [10:33] so deny all and allow only 1 ip? [10:34] how do flush it like in iptables if something goes wrong [10:35] ixxvil: I hope you have a serial console to your VPS, just in case you lock yourself out with incorrect firewall rules :) [10:35] ali1234: sudo ufw allow from hows that hard? [10:35] bigcalm: you mean have to two opened at the same time? [10:35] ye i learnt that yday [10:35] davmor2: But no port. [10:35] cause i messed up on iptables twice and couldnt ssh back in [10:36] it DROPPed everything [10:36] davmor2: that's not hard, but it also doesn't work [10:36] ixxvil: that's one way, but I do mean a serial console via a web interface provided by your hosting company [10:36] oh [10:36] ali1234: sudo ufw allow proto tcp from 192.168.0.1 to any port 22 [10:36] like cpanel [10:36] ye i do [10:36] ali1234: That's what it is, it's in the man page. [10:36] mighthave to read up on ufw a bit [10:36] but it's certainly easier [10:36] jpds: yeah. which is not the same as the "simple" syntax [10:37] I like rackspace's network policy manger for their cloud servers. That's a simple interface [10:38]