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| slickymaster | morning all | 09:11 |
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| ochosi | brainwash: it was confirmed that the xfwm4 settings bug is a packaging thing, so no need to worry about that one | 09:25 |
| pmjdebruijn | hey folks, on my xubuntu saucy install, I still have a broken volume indicator, I assume that's a known issue? | 09:38 |
| elfy | pmjdebruijn: yep it is known :) | 09:38 |
| pmjdebruijn | k fair enough | 09:39 |
| ochosi | elfy: s/:)/:'(/ | 09:39 |
| elfy | ochosi: indeed - but what can I do ;) | 09:39 |
| ochosi | elfy: cry baby cry, make your mother sigh! | 09:39 |
| elfy | pmjdebruijn: there is a 'fix' but if it upgrades it needs redoing atm | 09:40 |
| elfy | but I don't think anything will get done with it this side of release | 09:40 |
| elfy | ochosi: my mother would just slap me ;) | 09:40 |
| pmjdebruijn | "this side of release"? | 09:41 |
| ochosi | elfy: i assume it would be well-deserved (your mother will know why she slaps you i assume) | 09:41 |
| elfy | before Thursday pmjdebruijn - not sure what we'll be able to do post release either - but I think we're looking at doing something | 09:41 |
| elfy | ochosi: couldn't possibly say :) | 09:42 |
| pmjdebruijn | is there a launchpad bug related to this? possibly with a track record of what's known about this issue? | 09:43 |
| elfy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1208204 | 09:43 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1208204 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "indicator-sound no longer functions with xfce4-indicator-plugin" [High,Triaged] | 09:44 |
| pmjdebruijn | thanks | 09:46 |
| pmjdebruijn | I'll have a read tonight :) | 09:47 |
| elfy | :) | 09:47 |
| pmjdebruijn | oh btw, I assume revert to the Raring version isn't on option, since the changes which broke it, were purposefully for mainline ubuntu? | 09:49 |
| pmjdebruijn | wouldn't it in that case make sense to fork it? | 09:50 |
| pmjdebruijn | xfce-indicator-sound ? | 09:50 |
| pmjdebruijn | or xubuntu-indicator-sound | 09:50 |
| ochosi | no, that wouldn't help | 09:51 |
| elfy | I can't answer that I'm afraid | 09:51 |
| elfy | ochosi can though :) | 09:51 |
| ochosi | you'd still have to backport the whole beast to gtk2 | 09:52 |
| ochosi | and it makes much more sense to use the xfce4-indicator-plugin that support gtk3 | 09:52 |
| ochosi | (especially since it already exists and works) | 09:52 |
| pmjdebruijn | I mean fork the raring version | 09:55 |
| pmjdebruijn | not the saucy one | 09:55 |
| ochosi | that won't work either | 09:56 |
| ochosi | because there were protocol changes | 09:56 |
| pmjdebruijn | oh I though someone reported downgrading the package to the raring version worked | 09:58 |
| pmjdebruijn | anyhow, I'll read the full thread tonight then | 09:59 |
| ochosi | sure | 10:00 |
| ochosi | (fwiw, i've never tried downgrading) | 10:01 |
| ali1234 | pmjdebruijn: yeah what you said pretty much sums it up | 12:57 |
| ali1234 | pmjdebruijn: the indicators has two parts: the part which the users sees and the dbus backend | 12:58 |
| ali1234 | so the gtk2 and gtk3 versions both have a backend in the package, but when you install the gtk2 indicator it uses the gtk3 backend anyway. this is pretty much required due to how dbus services are initialized | 12:59 |
| ali1234 | in raring it didn't matter because the two backends were compatible but in saucy they are not | 12:59 |
| ali1234 | so forking isn't required - what you need to do is make the gtk2 indicator compatible with the gtk3 backend again | 13:00 |
| ali1234 | that would be a lot of work, and we have gtk3 indicators working now | 13:01 |
| ali1234 | btw the workaround is to edit the dbus service so it runs the gtk2 backend - this patch can never go in ubuntu as it will break the gtk3 indicator | 13:01 |
| pmjdebruijn | right. but in that case just forking the package would at least allow for a temporary fix | 13:09 |
| pmjdebruijn | I'll give that a go on my ppa tonight then | 13:10 |
| brainwash | ali1234: do you intend to comment on the users-admin lp report? | 13:38 |
| GridCube | the test cases are (disabled) | 14:07 |
| GridCube | will try with "daily" | 14:08 |
| GridCube | the daily zsync has absolute no difference from the final ISO | 14:12 |
| smartboyhw | Respin happening..... | 14:14 |
| GridCube | ok | 14:14 |
| GridCube | so it useless for me to test now | 14:14 |
| smartboyhw | GridCube, technically, you report results to the "final" milestone, but the ISO is called "daily" until the release actually happens... | 14:14 |
| GridCube | yes, but the final report site says "disabled" so i assume that if i do the test it wont be useful | 14:15 |
| smartboyhw | Nah, wait for the respin | 14:15 |
| * ochosi senses general pre-release fatigue | 17:19 | |
| ochosi | (usually followed by post-release depressions) | 17:20 |
| brainwash | ochosi: xfwm4 is able to copy the root background, but not the "background" set by lightdm | 17:24 |
| ochosi | in lightdm that's done via accountsservice | 17:24 |
| ochosi | but that's an ubuntu-only accountsservice patch | 17:24 |
| brainwash | right, but it's not able to copy the pixels | 17:25 |
| brainwash | :D | 17:25 |
| ochosi | maybe it would pre-load xfdesktop's wallpaper? | 17:25 |
| ochosi | well we can modify the greeter if that helps | 17:25 |
| brainwash | xfdesktop does not set the root background, just drawing a window right? | 17:26 |
| ochosi | (but iirc we set the root background to the wallpaper in the greeter already, not sure what else we could do there) | 17:26 |
| ochosi | possible, i don't know | 17:26 |
| brainwash | mmh, maybe it will work to start xfdesktop first and delay xfwm4 (and therefore the panel) | 17:29 |
| ochosi | gotta go | 17:31 |
| brainwash | bye | 17:31 |
| olbi | hi huys | 17:48 |
| olbi | guys* | 17:48 |
| olbi | tomorrow stable release :) | 17:49 |
| GridCube | :/ i still could not test the image | 17:49 |
| olbi | hehe :D | 17:51 |
| olbi | I'm testing this on Sapphire Edge-HD4 and it works now :) | 17:52 |
| brainwash | now we need to focus on fixing the remaining known bugs | 17:55 |
| skellat | And from what I've seen today #ubuntu-release looks like a bit of a horror show when it comes to ubiquity | 18:01 |
| brainwash | so 13.10 feels more like a snapshot on the way to 14.04 | 18:10 |
| elfy | anyone got any idea why our Final tests are disabled? | 18:22 |
| GridCube | beats me | 18:46 |
| GridCube | :/ i wanted to test today but i dont know if its worth | 18:46 |
| drc | brainwash: Sticking my .02 € in...I seem to remember this very thing was discussed several Team Meetings ago (right after Canonical announced that the non-LTS releases were going to be supported for only 9 months). To be honest, I don't remember exactly what was decided: a) all releases were equal (but LTS release were more equal than others), or b) non-LTS releases were to be considered as snapshots. Maybe some of the less-memory-challenged here ca | 18:46 |
| drc | n pipe in on that. | 18:46 |
| thad_ | ochosi: I tried to start xfdesktop first and delay xfwm4 just a bit, but it does not work that well and even might cause some glitches.. so I simply used feh to set the root background according to the user's stored details (accountsservice) and xfwm4 picks up the background without any visible drawbacks | 19:12 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: I'm using the gtk2 indicators from precise and raring, so yes that works. :P | 19:13 |
| thad_ | Unit193: even the messages and sync one? | 19:14 |
| Unit193 | drc: Heh, well put. Sounds like the old Russian way, "Yes, comrade captain!" | 19:15 |
| Unit193 | thad_: I don't use sync, but messages yes. | 19:15 |
| thad_ | well, nice to know :) | 19:16 |
| Unit193 | (Mixed raring and precise when I used raring too.) | 19:26 |
| thad_ | a solution for everyone would be great :P | 19:33 |
| thad_ | "soon" I guess | 19:33 |
| Unit193 | Hah, yeah. That's just for crazies like me. The GTK3 stack will hopefully make it into -backports. :) | 19:36 |
| Noskcaj | What part of october 17th are we releasing on? I want to be the very first person running t-series | 19:39 |
| elfy | 25 minutes after you've gone to bed | 19:40 |
| Noskcaj | sounds about right | 19:40 |
| Noskcaj | Since it is the 17th already | 19:41 |
| elfy | there you go - we'll be releasing on the 18th as far as you're concerned :p | 19:42 |
| drc | Do they still have a #release-party (or what ever it was called) ? | 19:44 |
| elfy | apparently | 19:44 |
| elfy | bit like driving for a while with kids in the back I'd imagine ;) | 19:45 |
| drc | ah...#ubuntu-release-party Already 22 in the channel :) | 19:46 |
| elfy | are we there yet ... | 19:46 |
| * drc waits to the time-adding bot to kick in.... | 19:47 | |
| brainwash | oh great, just before final release I broke the brtfs filesystem of my test installation :/ | 20:49 |
| brainwash | anyone familiar with brtfs? balancing the filesystem caused a kernel panic :( | 20:49 |
| brainwash | (btrfs) | 20:54 |
| brainwash | bug 1235798 | 20:55 |
| ubottu | bug 1235798 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel stops during btrfs-balance" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235798 | 20:55 |
| slickymaster | good night all | 21:05 |
| Unit193 | Howdy. | 21:06 |
| slickymaster | Unit193, hi | 21:06 |
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