[09:11] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:25] <ochosi> brainwash: it was confirmed that the xfwm4 settings bug is a packaging thing, so no need to worry about that one
[09:38] <pmjdebruijn> hey folks, on my xubuntu saucy install, I still have a broken volume indicator, I assume that's a known issue?
[09:38] <elfy> pmjdebruijn: yep it is known :)
[09:39] <pmjdebruijn> k fair enough
[09:39] <ochosi> elfy: s/:)/:'(/
[09:39] <elfy> ochosi: indeed - but what can I do ;)
[09:39] <ochosi> elfy: cry baby cry, make your mother sigh!
[09:40] <elfy> pmjdebruijn: there is a 'fix' but if it upgrades it needs redoing atm 
[09:40] <elfy> but I don't think anything will get done with it this side of release
[09:40] <elfy> ochosi: my mother would just slap me ;)
[09:41] <pmjdebruijn> "this side of release"?
[09:41] <ochosi> elfy: i assume it would be well-deserved (your mother will know why she slaps you i assume)
[09:41] <elfy> before Thursday pmjdebruijn - not sure what we'll be able to do post release either - but I think we're looking at doing something
[09:42] <elfy> ochosi: couldn't possibly say :)
[09:43] <pmjdebruijn> is there a launchpad bug related to this? possibly with a track record of what's known about this issue?
[09:43] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1208204
[09:46] <pmjdebruijn> thanks
[09:47] <pmjdebruijn> I'll have a read tonight :)
[09:47] <elfy> :)
[09:49] <pmjdebruijn> oh btw, I assume revert to the Raring version isn't on option, since the changes which broke it, were purposefully for mainline ubuntu?
[09:50] <pmjdebruijn> wouldn't it in that case make sense to fork it?
[09:50] <pmjdebruijn> xfce-indicator-sound ?
[09:50] <pmjdebruijn> or xubuntu-indicator-sound
[09:51] <ochosi> no, that wouldn't help
[09:51] <elfy> I can't answer that I'm afraid
[09:51] <elfy> ochosi can though :)
[09:52] <ochosi> you'd still have to backport the whole beast to gtk2
[09:52] <ochosi> and it makes much more sense to use the xfce4-indicator-plugin that support gtk3
[09:52] <ochosi> (especially since it already exists and works)
[09:55] <pmjdebruijn> I mean fork the raring version
[09:55] <pmjdebruijn> not the saucy one
[09:56] <ochosi> that won't work either
[09:56] <ochosi> because there were protocol changes
[09:58] <pmjdebruijn> oh I though someone reported downgrading the package to the raring version worked
[09:59] <pmjdebruijn> anyhow, I'll read the full thread tonight then
[10:00] <ochosi> sure
[10:01] <ochosi> (fwiw, i've never tried downgrading)
[12:57] <ali1234> pmjdebruijn: yeah what you said pretty much sums it up
[12:58] <ali1234> pmjdebruijn: the indicators has two parts: the part which the users sees and the dbus backend
[12:59] <ali1234> so the gtk2 and gtk3 versions both have a backend in the package, but when you install the gtk2 indicator it uses the gtk3 backend anyway. this is pretty much required due to how dbus services are initialized
[12:59] <ali1234> in raring it didn't matter because the two backends were compatible but in saucy they are not
[13:00] <ali1234> so forking isn't required - what you need to do is make the gtk2 indicator compatible with the gtk3 backend again
[13:01] <ali1234> that would be a lot of work, and we have gtk3 indicators working now
[13:01] <ali1234> btw the workaround is to edit the dbus service so it runs the gtk2 backend - this patch can never go in ubuntu as it will break the gtk3 indicator
[13:09] <pmjdebruijn> right. but in that case just forking the package would at least allow for a temporary fix
[13:10] <pmjdebruijn> I'll give that a go on my ppa tonight then
[13:38] <brainwash> ali1234: do you intend to comment on the users-admin lp report?
[14:07] <GridCube> the test cases are (disabled)
[14:08] <GridCube> will try with "daily"
[14:12] <GridCube> the daily zsync has absolute no difference from the final ISO
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Respin happening.....
[14:14] <GridCube> ok
[14:14] <GridCube> so it useless for me to test now
[14:14] <smartboyhw> GridCube, technically, you report results to the "final" milestone, but the ISO is called "daily" until the release actually happens...
[14:15] <GridCube> yes, but the final report site says "disabled" so i assume that if i do the test it wont be useful
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Nah, wait for the respin
[17:19]  * ochosi senses general pre-release fatigue
[17:20] <ochosi> (usually followed by post-release depressions)
[17:24] <brainwash> ochosi: xfwm4 is able to copy the root background, but not the "background" set by lightdm
[17:24] <ochosi> in lightdm that's done via accountsservice
[17:24] <ochosi> but that's an ubuntu-only accountsservice patch
[17:25] <brainwash> right, but it's not able to copy the pixels
[17:25] <brainwash> :D
[17:25] <ochosi> maybe it would pre-load xfdesktop's wallpaper?
[17:25] <ochosi> well we can modify the greeter if that helps
[17:26] <brainwash> xfdesktop does not set the root background, just drawing a window right?
[17:26] <ochosi> (but iirc we set the root background to the wallpaper in the greeter already, not sure what else we could do there)
[17:26] <ochosi> possible, i don't know
[17:29] <brainwash> mmh, maybe it will work to start xfdesktop first and delay xfwm4 (and therefore the panel)
[17:31] <ochosi> gotta go
[17:31] <brainwash> bye
[17:48] <olbi> hi huys
[17:48] <olbi> guys*
[17:49] <olbi> tomorrow stable release :)
[17:49] <GridCube> :/ i still could not test the image
[17:51] <olbi> hehe :D
[17:52] <olbi> I'm testing this on Sapphire Edge-HD4 and it works now :)
[17:55] <brainwash> now we need to focus on fixing the remaining known bugs
[18:01] <skellat> And from what I've seen today #ubuntu-release looks like a bit of a horror show when it comes to ubiquity
[18:10] <brainwash> so 13.10 feels more like a snapshot on the way to 14.04
[18:22] <elfy> anyone got any idea why our Final tests are disabled? 
[18:46] <GridCube> beats me
[18:46] <GridCube> :/ i wanted to test today but i dont know if its worth
[18:46] <drc> brainwash: Sticking my .02 € in...I seem to remember this very thing was discussed several Team Meetings ago (right after Canonical announced that the non-LTS releases were going to be supported for only 9 months).  To be honest, I don't remember exactly what was decided: a) all releases were equal (but LTS release were more equal than others), or b) non-LTS releases were to be considered as snapshots.  Maybe some of the less-memory-challenged here ca
[18:46] <drc> n pipe in on that.
[19:12] <thad_> ochosi: I tried to start xfdesktop first and delay xfwm4 just a bit, but it does not work that well and even might cause some glitches.. so I simply used feh to set the root background according to the user's stored details (accountsservice) and xfwm4 picks up the background without any visible drawbacks
[19:13] <Unit193> ochosi: I'm using the gtk2 indicators from precise and raring, so yes that works. :P
[19:14] <thad_> Unit193: even the messages and sync one?
[19:15] <Unit193> drc: Heh, well put.  Sounds like the old Russian way, "Yes, comrade captain!"
[19:15] <Unit193> thad_: I don't use sync, but messages yes.
[19:16] <thad_> well, nice to know :)
[19:26] <Unit193> (Mixed raring and precise when I used raring too.)
[19:33] <thad_> a solution for everyone would be great :P
[19:33] <thad_> "soon" I guess
[19:36] <Unit193> Hah, yeah.  That's just for crazies like me.  The GTK3 stack will hopefully make it into -backports. :)
[19:39] <Noskcaj> What part of october 17th are we releasing on? I want to be the very first person running t-series
[19:40] <elfy> 25 minutes after you've gone to bed
[19:40] <Noskcaj> sounds about right
[19:41] <Noskcaj> Since it is the 17th already
[19:42] <elfy> there you go - we'll be releasing on the 18th as far as you're concerned :p
[19:44] <drc> Do they still have a #release-party (or what ever it was called) ?
[19:44] <elfy> apparently
[19:45] <elfy> bit like driving for a while with kids in the back I'd imagine ;)
[19:46] <drc> ah...#ubuntu-release-party  Already 22 in the channel :)
[19:46] <elfy> are we there yet ... 
[19:47]  * drc waits to the time-adding bot to kick in....
[20:49] <brainwash> oh great, just before final release I broke the brtfs filesystem of my test installation :/
[20:49] <brainwash> anyone familiar with brtfs? balancing the filesystem caused a kernel panic :(
[20:54] <brainwash> (btrfs)
[20:55] <brainwash> bug 1235798
[21:05] <slickymaster> good night all
[21:06] <Unit193> Howdy.
[21:06] <slickymaster> Unit193, hi