[00:52] <puff> Anybody home?
[00:52] <puff> I have a thinkpad t520 with optimus, and a dock.  I'm running ubuntu 13.04.  I'm trying to figure out how to get the external video to work via something besides the VGA port.  HDMI port on the thinkpad, DVI port on the dock, HDMI port on the dock, any of these.  And/or get the extra video out on the dock working.
[00:52] <puff> (with xubuntu-desktop).
[02:04] <gdos> ok i got my sound back but my volume control (and mixer) are missing. suggetions?
[02:06] <bazhang> !crosspost | gdos
[02:07] <xubuntu473> hi everyone
[02:07] <xubuntu473> im newbie
[02:12] <`Fibz`> hi
[03:16] <legg1> [AMSG] Seeking Photoshop familiar who can design a header, and advice general color layout for a full gaming portal. Reward? Feeling good + a few % of each profit from each tournament.
[03:34] <buu> wow
[03:34] <buu> Qops
[03:34] <buu> !ops
[03:35] <tsimpson> legg1: please don't post offtopic messages here
[03:36] <legg1> sorry, was a amsg. i'll see if i can write a script to post on whitelist channels:)
[03:43] <gdos> knome: what was that location you gave me (in my home directory) and the one in the /etc directory for the menu?
[05:56] <honestabe> howdy folks!
[05:56] <legg1> Howdy captain
[05:56] <honestabe> I've got a cursor theme problem
[05:56] <honestabe> and was curious if you fine chaps had the solution
[05:57] <legg1> uhm
[05:57] <honestabe> i can change my theme
[05:57] <legg1> i'm no expert
[05:57] <legg1> but, cursor problem ?
[05:57] <honestabe> for my mouse, but the default pointer is not affected
[05:57] <legg1> sounds like a permission issue
[05:57] <honestabe> hmmm
[05:57] <honestabe> well, the theme is changing
[05:58] <legg1> do a sudo chown -R  <username> ~/
[05:58] <honestabe> just not the standard arrow
[05:58] <legg1> then change it
[05:58] <legg1> and restart
[05:58] <legg1> hm
[05:58] <honestabe> i have.
[05:58] <legg1> what desktop ?
[05:58] <legg1> xfce+
[05:58] <legg1> ?
[05:58] <honestabe> xubuntu xfce4
[05:58] <honestabe> 13.04
[05:58] <legg1> hm
[05:58] <honestabe> xfce4.1
[05:58] <legg1> i run xfce4 13.04 xubuntu
[05:58] <legg1> never had that problem
[05:59] <honestabe> bizarre.
[05:59] <legg1> i've ran xfce/fluxbox since debian 5/ubuntu 8/etc
[05:59] <legg1> only problem i've had
[05:59] <legg1> is background on desktop
[05:59] <legg1> never mousepointer
[05:59] <legg1> but to fix that, i ran the command i wrote here
[05:59] <honestabe> i have a history of bizarre theme problems
[05:59] <legg1> then it was sortes
[05:59] <legg1> -s+d
[05:59] <legg1> what if you change to a already provided theme
[05:59] <legg1> still the same?
[05:59] <honestabe> same thing
[06:00] <legg1> wtf
[06:00] <honestabe> irk?
[06:00] <honestabe> *ikr?
[06:00] <legg1> i think, it's not xubuntu, it's xfce that is wrong
[06:00] <honestabe> but the xfce people are always so quiet :(
[06:00] <legg1> do ./join #xfce
[06:00] <legg1> ask there tbh
[06:00] <honestabe> i did
[06:00] <legg1> ah
[06:00] <legg1> well
[06:00] <legg1> it's late
[06:00] <honestabe> they're like ents
[06:00] <legg1> but it is indeed a strange problem
[06:01] <honestabe> i only have strange problems with xfce.
[06:02] <legg1> weirdly enough, on my new laptop, Xubuntu is the only distro that will actually install
[06:02] <legg1> :S
[06:02] <legg1> else i get EFI/UEFI errors, HDD Access errors, GPU Problems with the new (WORST FUCKING DRIVER EVER) nuevou problems etc
[06:02] <honestabe> heh
[06:03] <legg1> that new driver
[06:03] <legg1> nuevoen
[06:03] <legg1> or wtf it is
[06:03] <legg1> i wish someone killed it
[06:03] <legg1> with a massive fire
[06:03] <legg1> it's the wrost thing ever to be implemented into the linux kernel
[06:03] <legg1> thanks to 3.x >
[06:03] <honestabe> i doubt it's the worst thing
[06:03] <legg1> it is
[06:03] <legg1> really
[06:03] <legg1> name me one thing
[06:03] <legg1> that is worse
[06:03] <legg1> please
[06:04] <honestabe> i guess i can't
[06:04] <honestabe> but surely something worse has been released
[06:04] <legg1> well there you go
[06:04] <legg1> i dont think so
[06:04] <legg1> really
[06:04] <legg1> i cant remember one thing, that was worse than the kernel-implementation of a graphicsdriver
[06:05] <legg1> the oldschool XFree86 driver, was better
[06:05] <legg1> and that driver drove people to madnesss
[06:05] <legg1> -s
[06:07] <legg1> wtf
[06:07] <legg1> oh
[06:07] <legg1> ye
[06:07] <legg1> here we are
[06:08] <legg1> i actually forgot what channel i was being cynical in
[06:08] <legg1> :S
[06:08] <honestabe> generalized crankiness!
[06:08] <legg1> http://chanstats.slaen.net/ - feel free, if you do sha256 :)
[06:09] <legg1> #CryptoSquid is the minute-wise announce
[06:09] <legg1> And i'm not cranky!
[06:09] <legg1> I'm generally happy
[06:09] <legg1> but
[06:09] <legg1> someone will have to try REAL hard
[06:09] <legg1> to get me more upset, regarding ANYTHING, compared to the kernel-based universal gpu driver
[06:28] <honestabe> any thoughts gentlemen?
[06:42] <linuxuz3r> hi
[06:42] <linuxuz3r> my monitor seems to not turn off after setting the timer after 10 mins
[06:42] <linuxuz3r> it always go to screen saver mode
[06:43] <linuxuz3r> how do i turn off the monitor after a specified period of time and not go to screensaver mode
[06:43] <linuxuz3r> 12.04 ubuntu and installed xubuntu desktop
[06:44] <linuxuz3r> anyone
[06:45] <legg1> why would you install 12.04 ?
[06:45] <legg1> sorry for the question, just want to know
[06:46] <linuxuz3r> i have ubuntu 12.04 and installed xubuntu desktop
[06:46] <legg1> do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:46] <legg1> first sudo apt-get update
[06:46] <legg1> then
[06:46] <legg1> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:47] <koegs> linuxuz3r: i suggest disable monitor management in power-saving settings
[06:47] <legg1> you should be rid of all problems
[06:47] <koegs> then enabling monitor managent in xscreensaver-settings, thiis works for me
[06:47] <elfy> legg1: what has any of that got to do with a screensave/monitor issue?
[06:48] <legg1> Primary: stop using outdated software. When all software is up to date - start troubleshooting
[06:48] <legg1> 12.04 is quite old
[06:49] <honestabe> it's the latest lts release on the the xubuntu website
[06:49] <honestabe> though, it is quite old
[06:49] <linuxuz3r> koegs, i dont have xscreensaver-settings
[06:50] <koegs> linuxuz3r: its in settings -> screensaver
[06:50] <honestabe> koegs, know anything about cursor themes?
[06:51] <koegs> honestabe: put the cursor folder to /usr/share/icons, enable it in the settings and also edit /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme to reflect the name of the cursor.theme
[06:52] <honestabe> trying that
[06:52] <linuxuz3r> koegs thanks
[06:52] <k0r1n> Running xubuntu, this: "xfconf-query -c xfce4-desktop -p /backdrop/screen0/monitor0/image-path -s /path/to/wallpaper" does nothing.. I'm not sure what broke it.. last night updates or xfce4-theme-manager (did both last night, noticed today i couldnt use the command anymore), any thoughts?
[06:53] <honestabe> koegs, unfortunately that did not fix it
[06:53] <koegs> honestabe: strange thing, you might have to file a bug report
[06:53] <honestabe> Oh god why.
[06:54] <koegs> honestabe: do you use the xfce PPAs or plain xubuntu 13.04?
[06:54] <honestabe> plain ol xubuntu 13.04
[06:54] <honestabe> vanilla xubuntu 13.04 installed last night
[06:54] <koegs> dont have that here for testing, sorry
[06:55] <honestabe> with the only real change being nvidia 3.10 drivers, and a few ppas
[06:55] <honestabe> (ppas for minor stuff, such as netflix)
[06:56] <honestabe> so, it strikes me as bizarre that this would happen
[06:57] <honestabe> thanks for the help koegs and legg1
[06:57] <honestabe> i'll be back to harass you fine knowledgable folks later, but for now i must be off
[06:58] <legg1> wtf did i do ?
[06:58] <honestabe> you attempted to help
[06:58] <legg1> oh
[06:58] <legg1> ok then, you're welcome
[06:58] <legg1> :p
[06:58] <honestabe> it was lackluster
[06:58] <honestabe> but hell, i'm grateful
[06:58] <legg1> that is great :)
[06:58] <honestabe> anywho, peace
[06:58] <legg1> even if bad help, help is help, right ?
[06:58] <legg1> ah he left :<
[07:30] <k0r1n> Yes, in some cases all help is appreciated.. like in my case :P
[09:01] <pat> hey guys my two monitors don't align properly
[09:01] <pat> like in the middle
[09:02] <pat> and the mouse always get stuck
[09:02] <pat> if i try and move it from 1 monitor to the other
[09:02] <pat> if my mouse is in the corner(ish), is there a way to align them easily? like in windows you go into display settings and drag the monitors up a bit
[09:12] <rsajdok> When will the new version? Which of day?
[09:14] <baizon> rsajdok: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[09:14] <rsajdok> baizon: thanks
[11:34] <xubuntu138> hi
[11:35] <xubuntu138> Eduard Warkentin
[11:35] <bgardner> Well, that was random...
[12:02] <well_laid_lawn> random is as random does
[14:02] <xubuntu986> hello !! Do you know where I could find a way to set compiz under xubuntu saucy ? I'm working with unity too.
[14:09] <GridCube> xubuntu986, last time i checked compiz wasnt really getting any updates for outside unity, in any case you can try to replace xfwm4 with "compiz --replace"
[14:11] <xubuntu986> Thank's for your reply. I've already donne this ... big mess with unity plugin that can't stay deactivated ... and hugly screen painting.
[14:11] <GridCube> !compiz
[14:15] <xubuntu986> I will try again with that procedure. thanks
[14:17] <GridCube> xubuntu986, or as what ubottu says try asking on #compiz
[15:29] <xubuntu031> Help on possible scsi harddrives ?
[15:30] <xubuntu031> cant install xubuntu onto an old sony vaio laptop
[15:36] <xubuntu031> no-one with scsi advise ?
[15:37] <GridCube> xubuntu031, you shouldnt have any problem as far as i know
[15:37] <GridCube> !scsi
[15:37] <xubuntu031> I wouldn't have thought so either when i started with this gig
[15:38] <xubuntu031> the LIVE CD's work
[15:38] <xubuntu031> erhhh
[15:38] <xubuntu031> rather , some of them do/ some versions
[15:39] <xubuntu031> the ones that can load, work the balls,
[15:39] <xubuntu031> them that dont, are just black boxes
[15:39] <GridCube> xubuntu031, the problem might be in other place
[15:39] <xubuntu031> name's ed
[15:40] <xubuntu031> I've checked the MD5 values on all the cd burns, and they checkout
[15:40] <GridCube> are you sure your cpu supports PAE enabled kernels?
[15:40] <xubuntu031> So , its gotta either be the video card, or the harddrives
[15:41] <GridCube> xubuntu031, as i said, are you sure your cpu supports PAE? if not you need a non PAE kernel
[15:41] <xubuntu031> Would figure them that wont load a screen are/might be video card problems/drivers/version/manufacturers
[15:41] <xubuntu031> P3 intell
[15:41] <gdos> ok, i now i have my menu the way i want it. where do i copy the config file for my menu from to so that it is the default menu for everyone?
[15:41] <GridCube> xubuntu031, are you listening to me?
[15:42] <xubuntu031> pae isn't it automatic paging ?
[15:42] <xubuntu031> page addressing
[15:42] <xubuntu031> page address enabled, / ?
[15:42] <GridCube> !pae
[15:42] <xubuntu031> listening gridcube
[15:43] <GridCube> xubuntu031, old cpus cant handle PAE enabled kernels, thats why older livecds or other isos from other distros might work and newer wont
[15:43] <xubuntu031> ok
[15:43] <xubuntu031> advise please
[15:43] <GridCube> last version of xubuntu that has a non pae kernel was 12.04
[15:44] <xubuntu031> ok
[15:45] <GridCube> see if that works for you, or see lubuntu, they might have non pae kernels yet
[15:45] <xubuntu031> that's your advise ? stick below v12.04 ?
[15:45] <xubuntu031> and non pae ?
[15:45] <xubuntu031> BRB
[15:46] <xubuntu031> back
[15:47] <GridCube> xubuntu031, or try lubuntu, they are probably still shipping non pae kernels
[15:47] <xubuntu031> Willdo... thanks
[15:47] <GridCube> :) good luck
[15:47] <xubuntu031> chuckle,, think i'm gonna need it,, and a  crowbar
[15:48] <xubuntu031> thanks again
[15:48] <GridCube> xubuntu031, you can also try other distros, for older computers
[15:48] <gdos> xubuntu031 you can also try susestudio (i know its off topic but you then you can build your own distro and test it out first before you download)
[15:49] <GridCube> he's gone gdos
[15:49] <gdos> GridCube: oh. didn't realize he left that quickly :)
[15:49] <gdos> GridCube: oh. didn't realize he left that quickly :)
[15:49] <gdos> ok, i now i have my menu the way i want it. where do i copy the config file for my menu from to so that it is the default menu for everyone?
 gdos, yep, look in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus (though take into account that stuff in ~ will override)
[15:50] <GridCube> i guess, thats what knome said yesterday
[15:51] <gdos> so i copy the file from ~/.menus to /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus ?
[15:52] <GridCube> see what is there first
[15:52] <GridCube> (dont go around copy pasting stuff if you are not sure what it does)
[15:54] <knome> i would also take backups, if it doesn't go as you planned
[15:54] <gdos> ok.
[15:56] <gdos> ok made back up and copied the file over. try it out now. :)
[18:40] <escapereality> 13.10 tomorrow? thinking of moving from ubuntu 12.04. i wont get any amazon bloat right?
[18:41] <olbi> w8 about a month :D
[18:41] <elfy> I have no idea what amazon bloat is - but if you're alluding to a unity scope then no, we don't use them
[18:41] <olbi> I have 12.04 too, and wainting for fixing the most anoying bugs :P
[18:42] <olbi> Xfce rox :D
[18:42] <olbi> good that in PPA are packages for 4.11 :)
[18:42] <escapereality> ok cool, maybe i should wait, but i really want to get going with xfce ;)
[19:09] <gdos> does xubuntu install jackd or jackd2 by default (i.e. during the initial installation phase)?
[19:11] <ObrienDave> no
[19:12] <gdos> could jackd jackd2 be the cause of my audio problems? (system mixer only lists dummy (or virtual) device for audio, no hardware device)
[19:16] <ObrienDave> not sure on that. I've had terrible luck getting anythink Jack to work
[19:16] <ObrienDave> *anything
[19:18] <gdos> ok i'm purging jackd jackd2 will post back here if it works. if it does may be something to share if other ppl have similar issues.
[21:17] <Thisegzz> so tomorrow will 13.10 be released?
[21:18] <Thisegzz> any idea at what time?
[21:18] <bekks> Thisegzz: After it is replicated onto all main mirrors.
[21:20] <Thisegzz> ok thanks but that doesn't say much
[21:22] <Thisegzz> guess I'll see tomorrow... goodnight
[21:57] <mapps> hmm anyone here familiar with bind?
[21:58] <Unit193> Might want to as the question.
[22:25] <XubuntuGamerGuy> I am looking for help un-blacklisting xpad.
[23:02] <DJJeff> Thunar does not support connections to sftp or ssh yet?
[23:03] <DJJeff> having to switch back and forth from Thunar and Nautilus is getting to me
[23:03] <DJJeff> Thunar looks nicer and behaves better but Nautilus seems to have more features and plugins
[23:04] <DJJeff> can not have the best of both worlds nope