| ahoneybun | never going to give you up | 01:01 |
|---|---|---|
| rohan | i see something weird: after resume from suspend ,my computer is frozen for quite a few seconds.. however it seems to accept input, i.e. i can enter my password and hit return to login | 02:50 |
| rohan | is there any way i can debug the issue? | 02:50 |
| ScottK | valorie: Is anyone updating the screen shots like Riddell asked? | 05:12 |
| valorie | hmmm, not that I know of | 05:17 |
| valorie | however, my test boxes are done updating | 05:17 |
| valorie | therefore I should be able to do it | 05:17 |
| valorie | I guess I should report my upgrade tests on the test site too, while I'm at it | 05:18 |
| ScottK | We have a pass result for all the upgrade cases, so unless you have problems you needed to report, the screen shots are more important. | 05:23 |
| razor_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/1240807 | 05:25 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1240807 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Broken relative links in HTML docs" [Undecided,New] | 05:25 |
| razor_ | ^^^^^ Getting broken relative HTML links in current kubuntu-docs package. | 05:25 |
| razor_ | Something broken in conversion there? | 05:25 |
| valorie | cool, reporting is a pain, screenshots are easy | 05:32 |
| valorie | bleah, I feel like an idiot, but I can't seem to figure out to how to upload my new screenie to the wiki | 06:09 |
| valorie | they talk about an "attachment" link but I find no such link anywhere | 06:10 |
| valorie | oh good lord, now I find it | 06:10 |
| ScottK | Upgrade instructions fixed up. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaucyUpgrades/Kubuntu | 06:13 |
| ScottK | If someone hasn't upgraded yet, should use some raring screenshots for the first part of htat. | 06:13 |
| valorie | oh, my god, I'd forgotten how much I hate moin moin, and like KDE's wiki | 06:22 |
| valorie | grrr | 06:22 |
| ScottK | BTW, I don't seem to have a working password to the web site. | 06:23 |
| valorie | geez, finally have uploaded screenshot and lil screenie to the wiki | 06:32 |
| valorie | ScottK: this laptop isn't upgraded yet | 06:32 |
| valorie | if you think that is important, I can do new screenies for the upgrade page as well, but I have no access to the website | 06:33 |
| valorie | I honestly think no one will notice the older wallpaper though | 06:34 |
| lordievader | razor_: Are you using your browser to open the docs, im talking about bug 1240807. | 06:41 |
| ubottu | bug 1240807 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Broken relative links in HTML docs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240807 | 06:41 |
| lordievader | Good morning btw. | 06:41 |
| ScottK | valorie: If you put 212.13.202.11 changelogs.ubuntu.com in /etc/hosts, you can test the automatic upgrade notification (and take screen shots if you want). | 06:45 |
| ScottK | Now I must sleep. | 06:45 |
| valorie | thanks for all your work, ScottK | 06:46 |
| razor_ | lordievader: Yep. In browser. As they are HTML I assumed they should work equally well in that compared to KDE help centre, but perhaps not the intended case then? | 06:53 |
| lordievader | razor_: Well the way they work, the links refer to the root of the site, on your pc that is /, ofcourse, the khelpcenter modifies this to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/ I'm starting to wonder if the other docs work this way. | 06:59 |
| lordievader | Hmm nevermind, the others seem to be docbook only. | 07:04 |
| razor_ | Don't know about ubuntu specific docs on that one, but I'm reasonably used to pasting the local path for HTML docs on a lot of software in a browser to view and it works OK. | 07:05 |
| razor_ | If that is not wished for kubuntu docs then no big deal, as long as expected behaviour is not broken. | 07:06 |
| lordievader | razor_: Ok, I see. Would be interesting for 14.04, I'll see if I can get it working by then ;) | 07:06 |
| lordievader | razor_: Well as long as it works in the khelpcenter I'd say it is working ;) | 07:06 |
| razor_ | Fair enough. | 07:06 |
| lordievader | But I do agree it would be nice if it works outside of the khelpcenter too. | 07:07 |
| valorie | razor_: we only recently started working on the docs again, so they are not as good as they need to be yet, for sure | 07:07 |
| valorie | sorry to hear that they aren't working as expected | 07:07 |
| razor_ | Yes, I only looked as I noticed they had been recently revamped. | 07:08 |
| valorie | the old ones were a bit too moldy to continue to send out | 07:09 |
| valorie | testing the auto-upgrade notification, which involves restarting, so signing out for now | 08:03 |
| Riddell | morning | 08:07 |
| Riddell | valorie: auto-upgrade notification? | 08:07 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: what's the plan du jour? | 08:07 |
| * Riddell high fives ScottK for doing the SaucyUpgrades page | 08:09 | |
| jussi | Riddell: HAI! | 08:09 |
| Riddell | anyone doing Install (auto-resize) ? | 08:10 |
| Riddell | ScottK: is there still a crash on upgrade in network manager? | 08:14 |
| * Riddell browses http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1ned6x/what_to_expect_for_kubuntu_1310/ | 08:15 | |
| Riddell | I wonder if its worth mentioning in the release notes that we're using X with plans to use Wayland, stop people worrying | 08:15 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: include link to jussi's shop in the release announcement too? | 08:28 |
| Riddell | agateau: hmm i think I found a (fairly minor) issue, if the wireless step is skipped due to wired connection then if you click back from partitioning it complains and just goes to partitioning again | 08:38 |
| agateau | Riddell: :/ | 08:43 |
| agateau | Riddell: what does it say? | 08:43 |
| Riddell | agateau: it moans about loading modules, presumably because it goes back to the wireless step then straight onto the partitioning step again, it should go back to the previous step | 08:45 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok, let's see if I can reproduce it | 08:45 |
| Riddell | hi smartboyhw | 08:53 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, hello:) | 08:55 |
| Riddell | anything exciting happening today? | 08:57 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, yes, the release. | 08:57 |
| * Riddell high fives valorie for testing upgrade | 08:58 | |
| smartboyhw | I guess we are soon ready, just waiting for your final test on auto-resize on amd64 | 08:58 |
| Riddell | just booting that up | 08:59 |
| Riddell | cor plasma active does actually start on the kubuntu active image | 09:26 |
| * Riddell starts on kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 | 09:37 | |
| Riddell | hi vassie, can you feel the excitement in the air? | 09:38 |
| vassie | Hello Riddell :) I sure can | 09:39 |
| vassie | Been running Saucy for a few weeks now, the minor issues I found have all been fixed :) | 09:40 |
| Riddell | awooga | 09:44 |
| vassie | My Saturday just became free, so I know what's I'll be up to | 09:45 |
| vassie | Laptop and desktop already backed up | 09:45 |
| shadeslayer | hola | 09:47 |
| smartboyhw | Hola shadeslayer | 09:47 |
| shadeslayer | ssup, everything going good? | 09:47 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: sure | 09:48 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, quite:) | 09:48 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: did you have to swear allegance to juan carlos and hide all your catalan flags? | 09:49 |
| Riddell | meh converting the release announce from wiki to html always takes ages, we do too much new stuff! | 09:50 |
| smartboyhw | lol | 09:50 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 09:51 |
| * shadeslayer is a proper EU citizen, got my residence card today :D | 09:51 | |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, congratulations! | 09:52 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: welcome to the continent :) | 09:53 |
| shadeslayer | ^_^ | 09:54 |
| * yofel still needs to get used to shadeslayer being in the same timezone as him | 09:55 | |
| shadeslayer | hahaha | 09:55 |
| yofel | welcome in any case :) | 09:55 |
| Riddell | how's this? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 | 10:13 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: able to do some proofreading? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 | 10:25 |
| * Riddell updates http://www.kubuntu.org/content/homepage | 10:25 | |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: I just woke up a few mins ago lol, I'll look at it | 10:31 |
| Riddell | hmm this page really could do with some improvement https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto | 10:38 |
| Riddell | I'd like to replace that with a simple kubuntu page | 10:38 |
| ahoneybun | Ubuntu 9.10 image wow | 10:40 |
| smartboyhw | :O | 10:40 |
| smartboyhw | That's terrifying;P | 10:40 |
| ahoneybun | brb | 10:41 |
| Riddell | I guess that can be fixed when our docs Install page gets done | 10:42 |
| ahoneybun | back | 10:49 |
| ahoneybun | or it can be merged into it | 10:50 |
| Riddell | nah, needs rewritten, that document is crap and incomplete | 10:50 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 10:50 |
| ahoneybun | how do I get into that admin page? | 10:52 |
| smartboyhw | ahoneybun, you don't have access? (/me has the ACL here if you want) | 10:52 |
| ahoneybun | smartboyhw: I don't think so | 10:53 |
| ahoneybun | ? | 10:53 |
| smartboyhw | ahoneybun, OK, Riddell can you approve me to give ahoneybun ACL? | 10:54 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 10:59 |
| ahoneybun | BluesKaj: morning | 11:00 |
| BluesKaj | hey ahoneybun | 11:01 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: ACL? | 11:02 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: yeah give him the password | 11:02 |
| ahoneybun | hey BluesKaj | 11:04 |
| cortexA9 | hello | 11:07 |
| cortexA9 | is released ? :P | 11:08 |
| Riddell | nope, still waiting on you to proofread the announce :) | 11:08 |
| cortexA9 | loool | 11:08 |
| cortexA9 | :P | 11:08 |
| smartboyhw | heh heh | 11:09 |
| cortexA9 | 16.1 = final ? | 11:10 |
| cortexA9 | :P | 11:11 |
| smartboyhw | cortexA9, might be, might not be | 11:11 |
| smartboyhw | Any ISO images you find are not guaranteed to be final until announced by the release manager | 11:11 |
| smartboyhw | (from #ubuntu-release-party topic) | 11:11 |
| cortexA9 | ok | 11:11 |
| soee | whos release manager ? | 11:14 |
| smartboyhw | soee, if we tell anybody then everybody will be ushering him to get it out a.s.a.p, so I don't think it should be told:P | 11:15 |
| soee | oh you.. :) | 11:15 |
| cortexA9 | lol | 11:15 |
| smartboyhw | soee, not me | 11:18 |
| smartboyhw | Somebody from the Ubuntu Release Team | 11:18 |
| cortexA9 | oh it's out :P | 11:19 |
| cortexA9 | eheh | 11:19 |
| cortexA9 | need to test it :P | 11:20 |
| smartboyhw | Not 'out' officially:) | 11:20 |
| cortexA9 | :P | 11:23 |
| Riddell | it's not out at all, watch the announce list to know when it is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ | 11:23 |
| cortexA9 | oh ok sorry | 11:23 |
| === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz | ||
| cortexA9 | Riddell: all ok. | 11:46 |
| cortexA9 | :) | 11:46 |
| cortexA9 | tested | 11:46 |
| cortexA9 | smartboyhw: all ok. | 11:46 |
| Riddell | google plus is a confusing minefield to me, does that mean I'm getting older? | 12:02 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, what? | 12:04 |
| smartboyhw | Can't be:P | 12:04 |
| Blizzz | Riddell: no, it's constructed that youre getting confused and thus caught there and never find your way out | 12:08 |
| jussi | Riddell: yes, it means you are an ancient luddite :P | 12:08 |
| Riddell | I wonder what t-series will be called | 12:16 |
| Riddell | jussi: uh oh your kubuntu polo shirts have competition! http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2013/10/byobu-t-shirts-are-here.html | 12:17 |
| smartboyhw | lol | 12:17 |
| jussi | Riddell: yeah, I noticed that | 12:17 |
| Riddell | now I like byobu but it just doesn't inspire enough fandom in me to want to buy a t-shirt | 12:17 |
| jussi | btw, I hate windows and its "forced updates when you shutdown" idea. EVIL! | 12:18 |
| jussi | Riddell: are you planning to buy a Kubuntu one? | 12:18 |
| Riddell | jussi: no sympathy here but we have this other nice operating system if you have a problem with windows :) | 12:18 |
| jussi | Riddell: that other nice operating system doesnt flash my phone | 12:18 |
| jussi | unfortunately | 12:19 |
| Riddell | yeah we removed hotbabe from the archives | 12:19 |
| Riddell | oh other sort of flash | 12:19 |
| jussi | hehe | 12:19 |
| Riddell | jussi: not sure I need another kubuntu polo shirt, I already have one, but I think we should get a bunch to munich to make sure everyone there gets one | 12:20 |
| Riddell | for some sensible definition of everyone | 12:20 |
| jussi | Riddell: yeah, have to order now if we need more on time... | 12:20 |
| jussi | mind, they go quicker now | 12:20 |
| jussi | Riddell: oh, and I had to take down the donations things, as money collection rules are evil here in .fi | 12:21 |
| Riddell | which donations thing? | 12:21 |
| jussi | thankfully no one had donated yet | 12:21 |
| jussi | Riddell: we had the possbility up for people to donate through that shop also. | 12:22 |
| jussi | I will put a link to the kubuntu donations page there | 12:22 |
| Riddell | thanks | 12:23 |
| Riddell | ScottK: ahoneybun: bug 1240951 for SRU | 12:25 |
| ubottu | bug 1240951 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Saucy) "installation pages should be removed from kubuntu-docs" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240951 | 12:25 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I've upgraded two systems recently. One over the weekend (it crashed) and one yesterday (it didn't). So my guess is it happens some of the time. I doubt we fixed it since the weekend. | 12:40 |
| Riddell | ok we'll put it on the release notes | 12:43 |
| Riddell | I wonder if we should be worried that valorie hasn't reappeared | 12:43 |
| ScottK | It's very early in her TZ. | 12:43 |
| Riddell | she e-mailed at 01:54:53 her time, maybe she fell asleep while doing the upgrade | 12:44 |
| Riddell | I'll mark upgrades as ready | 12:44 |
| ScottK | Yeah. I'm pretty sure they are. | 12:51 |
| Riddell | going out for a wee bit, if the release happens just publish https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 and change the banner for the one which is commented out at https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/162/edit | 13:01 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Got it. | 13:06 |
| shadeslayer | ack | 13:15 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm, sounds like it's released? | 13:19 |
| shadeslayer | I don't see a email | 13:21 |
| BluesKaj | not yet , https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ | 13:21 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: your sources are bad :P | 13:25 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, it's #ubuntu-release ACKed | 13:26 |
| smartboyhw | (By cjwatson:P) | 13:26 |
| smartboyhw | Look at #ubuntu-release-party | 13:26 |
| shadeslayer | someone forgot to send a email then | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | The announcement is on hold because of the website | 13:27 |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu | https://trello.com/kubuntu | 4.11.2 notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | bugs http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | 13.10 released | Shirts! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ | ||
| ScottK | kubuntu.org updated. | 13:28 |
| shadeslayer | awesome | 13:28 |
| cortexA9 | nice. | 13:30 |
| soee | thers no announcement on g+ ? | 13:32 |
| smartboyhw | Who controls the Kubuntu G+ accounts? | 13:32 |
| ScottK | Wasn't it Darkwing? | 13:33 |
| shadeslayer | moi | 13:34 |
| shadeslayer | updating | 13:34 |
| jjesse | yay do-release-upgrade started :) | 13:34 |
| shadeslayer | well | 13:34 |
| shadeslayer | someone beat me to it | 13:34 |
| Riddell | ooh! | 13:46 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, yes:P (Please update chan topics on #kubuntu and #k-offtopic) | 13:46 |
| smartboyhw | Good job everybody on the 13.10 release:) | 13:47 |
| Riddell | awooga | 13:48 |
| Riddell | yep thanks for your help everyone | 13:50 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, #kubuntu-offtopic? | 13:51 |
| smartboyhw | (There is also a not yet updated topic) | 13:51 |
| yofel | -offtopic is not +t btw ^^ | 13:52 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Someone should send a mail too. I didn't get to that. Would you? | 13:53 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I sent a wee one to kubuntu-devel | 13:53 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, oh:P | 13:53 |
| ScottK | Great. Kubuntu-users might appreciate knowing too. | 13:53 |
| Riddell | good point | 13:53 |
| shadeslayer | bah | 14:12 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: the about system dialog is missing text in the Processors field | 14:12 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: yeah, known bug, it's something in solid not talking to something in udev | 14:13 |
| smartboyhw | Supposed to be SRUed | 14:13 |
| shadeslayer | no no in the release announcement screenshot | 14:13 |
| shadeslayer | Harald patched out about system to not display the processors when it couldn't find the ifno | 14:13 |
| shadeslayer | *info | 14:13 |
| Riddell | aah | 14:14 |
| smartboyhw | Oh | 14:14 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: Alex also says that it'd be nice to have another user in the user-manager screenshot | 14:17 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: it's a wiki, edit :) | 14:18 |
| shadeslayer | it is? I thought it was on https://www-admin.kubuntu.org | 14:18 |
| Riddell | oh good point | 14:19 |
| Riddell | although the images are on the wiki | 14:19 |
| Riddell | attachment on that website is broken | 14:19 |
| agateau | Riddell: I can reproduce the Ubiquity bug. I am going to fix it, but if I am not mistaken the fix won't land until 14.04, right? | 14:19 |
| cortexA9 | Riddell: the bug of the sleep mode is still present in the 13.10 final ? | 14:20 |
| cortexA9 | i didn't tried | 14:21 |
| Riddell | agateau: we can do an SRU and anyone who clicks the "upgrade the installer" option at the start will get it | 14:22 |
| Riddell | cortexA9: suspend works well for me | 14:23 |
| cortexA9 | ok | 14:23 |
| agateau | Riddell: there is an "upgrade the installer" option? | 14:23 |
| cortexA9 | because it freeze Riddell | 14:23 |
| cortexA9 | when i turn back from sleep mode.. | 14:23 |
| cortexA9 | in the past.. | 14:24 |
| ScottK | agateau: It happens when you check the apply updates button, IIRC. | 14:24 |
| Riddell | agateau: yeah although i guess if you've never seen it that suggests most other people haven't either | 14:25 |
| agateau | Riddell: I knew about the update check box, but didn't know it would restart the installer | 14:26 |
| agateau | ubiquity never cease to amaze me :) | 14:26 |
| lordievader | Good job everyone on Saucy Salamander :D | 14:27 |
| lordievader | Glad to see it released ^^ | 14:27 |
| lordievader | Err, in the release notes "/news/kubuntu-13.10" the link to the Documentation is still in wiki syntax: [[http://docs.kubuntu.org|docs.kubuntu.org]] | 14:33 |
| shadeslayer | bah | 14:35 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: can you resize about-system-wee.png so that it shows up properly? | 14:35 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: just remove one of the size values if you don't know the aspect ratio | 14:38 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 14:39 |
| shadeslayer | "This content has been modified by another user, changes cannot be saved." | 14:40 |
| shadeslayer | fffffuuuuu | 14:41 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: fixed | 14:41 |
| Riddell | lordievader: fixed | 14:41 |
| shadeslayer | thx | 14:41 |
| lordievader | Riddell: \o/ | 14:42 |
| yofel | lolwhat, I set up kmail in kvm for an upgrade test. Now kmail in the VM and my real kmail session here don't agree on how many unread mails I have in my inbox - and I'm using IMAP... | 14:42 |
| smartboyhw | jussi, pinf | 14:43 |
| smartboyhw | *ping | 14:43 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 14:44 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: do you know of packages that ship files in /usr/local | 15:02 |
| ScottK | Shouldn't be any. | 15:02 |
| shadeslayer | okay well, anything that moves files to /usr/local ? | 15:03 |
| lordievader | ahoneybun: ping, you around? I have some awesome ideas for fixing bug 1240807 | 15:03 |
| ubottu | bug 1240807 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Broken relative links in HTML docs" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240807 | 15:03 |
| jussi | smartboyhw: yes? (quick, IM not here long and contentless pings suck) | 15:07 |
| smartboyhw | jussi, go to #ubuntustudio and change topic s/13.04/13.10/ | 15:07 |
| smartboyhw | :P | 15:07 |
| jussi | meh. later. busy | 15:07 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: /usr/local is for local things. The packaging system shouldn't change it. There's one exception to this (language specific), but I don't recall what it is. | 15:11 |
| shadeslayer | ack | 15:14 |
| lordievader | Yayy bug 1240807 can be considered fixed. Riddel can this fix be included with the SRU for the kubuntu-docs package? | 15:25 |
| ubottu | bug 1240807 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Broken relative links in HTML docs" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240807 | 15:25 |
| BluesKaj | soee. do you recall the tutorial URL for fixing the optimus gpu driver issues ? | 15:25 |
| BluesKaj | soee. nm , I found it | 15:27 |
| genii | Someone in #k is pointing out that http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download still only has Raring | 15:28 |
| BluesKaj | this one supposedly works , http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 | 15:34 |
| Riddell | genii: hmm good point | 15:35 |
| yuriy_ | hi everyone! | 15:40 |
| yuriy_ | congratulations on another release! | 15:40 |
| Riddell | thanks yuriy_ :) | 15:40 |
| Peace- | hello i did update and upgrade | 15:47 |
| Peace- | but .... | 15:47 |
| Peace- | /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-nm_0.9.3.0-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb | 15:47 |
| Peace- | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 15:47 |
| Peace- | error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-nm_0.9.3.0-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb (--unpack): | 15:48 |
| Peace- | trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/oxygen/64x64/apps/networkmanager.png', which is also in package plasma-widget-networkmanagement 0.9.0.9-1ubuntu1 | 15:48 |
| Peace- | dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe) | 15:48 |
| Peace- | Errors were encountered while processing: | 15:48 |
| Peace- | /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-nm_0.9.3.0-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb | 15:48 |
| Peace- | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 15:48 |
| Peace- | Riddell: ^ | 15:48 |
| shadeslayer | :S | 16:03 |
| shadeslayer | Peace-: how did you do the upgrade? | 16:03 |
| Peace- | shadeslayer: from konsole | 16:04 |
| Peace- | sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 16:04 |
| shadeslayer | Peace-: and you were running saucy before? | 16:04 |
| Peace- | shadeslayer: yep | 16:04 |
| Peace- | let me check if i did upgrade | 16:05 |
| Peace- | or dist-upgrade | 16:05 |
| shadeslayer | I can think of a reason why this would happen | 16:05 |
| Peace- | shadeslayer: i did upgrade | 16:06 |
| Peace- | shadeslayer: anyway it seems i have fixed i mean i removed plasma-widget and install reinstalled plasma-nm | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | yep that's one way | 16:08 |
| Peace- | i have just reported that issue | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | But I think apachelogger forgot to Break/Replace plasna-widget-networkmanager | 16:08 |
| Peace- | maybe it's because i have installed the beta that had old plasma network thing | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 16:08 |
| Peace- | ok :D | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: halp | 16:09 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: my dolphin speaketh German | 16:09 |
| Peace- | i go thank you shadeslayer | 16:09 |
| shadeslayer | I dropped the silly setlocale.sh from ~/.kde/env | 16:09 |
| shadeslayer | and it still speaketh German | 16:09 |
| shadeslayer | maybe it's trying to teach me something | 16:09 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/p4f0a62b7 | 16:11 |
| Riddell | how's this? kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download | 16:14 |
| Riddell | do we still want to link to wubi on kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download ? | 16:15 |
| BluesKaj | wubi is more support trouble than it's worth ,,wish ubuntu would dump it altogether for all OS versions | 16:16 |
| Riddell | what problems does it cause? | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer | is wubi even supported? | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer | IIRC it wasn't | 16:17 |
| Riddell | only for 12.04LTS | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer | Don't put it then | 16:18 |
| BluesKaj | ppl think they actully hav an independent OS , rather than one that runs from a file in windows which cause internet connect problems , audio setup problems etc etc | 16:18 |
| Riddell | ok removed | 16:18 |
| Riddell | wow this page is worse than the burning image one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick | 16:18 |
| Riddell | if I was starting out that would put me right off | 16:19 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: fancy adding that to your docs todo list? ↑ | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I am not online on release day | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: so you can avoid all the bugs that are caused because of you ? :D | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | I did not touch plasma-nm until like 2 weeks ago when I started patching it | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | did not ever touch it's packaging | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | but yeah, the idea is that I do not have to deal with bugs :P | 16:45 |
| Blizzz | yeah! with 13.10 i can do rectangular screenshots again without dying X :) | 17:03 |
| lordievader | Riddell: How is it going with the updated docs package (the one without the installation pages)? I read this will be a SRU? If so I have a fix which would be nice if it was included. | 17:21 |
| Riddell | lordievader: yes there's an SRU for that | 17:24 |
| Riddell | bug 1240951 | 17:24 |
| ubottu | bug 1240951 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Saucy) "installation pages should be removed from kubuntu-docs" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240951 | 17:24 |
| lordievader | Riddell: True, but I have a fix for bug 1240807 | 17:25 |
| ubottu | bug 1240807 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Broken relative links in HTML docs" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240807 | 17:25 |
| Riddell | lordievader: groovy, throw it in | 17:26 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Ehh, where exactly? The way I made the package last time? | 17:26 |
| Riddell | lordievader: give me a patch for the tokhelp.py script | 17:28 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Actually, it is an added javascript and a modified header/footer. | 17:29 |
| Riddell | lordievader: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-docs_13.10ubuntu2.1.tar.gz | 17:30 |
| Riddell | that's what I uploaded for SRU | 17:30 |
| Riddell | make your changes to that and I'll upload again | 17:30 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Simply extract, change, and compress? | 17:31 |
| Riddell | lordievader: yeah | 17:32 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Here you go: http://griffioen.no-ip.org/kubuntu-docs/kubuntu-docs_13.10ubuntu2.1.tar.gz | 17:37 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: broken link on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 for kubuntu docs | 17:41 |
| ovidiu-florin | oh | 17:41 |
| ovidiu-florin | it's fixed | 17:41 |
| ovidiu-florin | sorry | 17:41 |
| Riddell | lordievader: gosh javascript? | 17:42 |
| Riddell | lordievader: can't it be done by changing the files in tokhelp.py ? | 17:42 |
| lordievader | Riddell: I don't think so. Khelpcenter and a browser use different root-dirs. Actually I haven't tested how khelpcenter does absolute paths, but I won't be surprised if it prepends "/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en"... | 17:44 |
| Riddell | lordievader: but why does a browser have anything to do with it? | 17:46 |
| Riddell | this package is for files to be read by Khelpcenter only | 17:46 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Someone came by this morning who did open them with a browser, so I thought why not. | 17:47 |
| Riddell | um, why did they open them in a browser? | 17:48 |
| lordievader | Good question. | 17:48 |
| razor_ | ^^ didn't know they were accessible via the help centre. | 17:50 |
| razor_ | long time since I had looked at them | 17:50 |
| Riddell | that would actually be quite hard to do, you'd need to find the path it's installed to | 17:55 |
| lordievader | Riddell: Isn't /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en default for Kubuntu? | 17:57 |
| ScottK | Riddell: No wubi please. | 17:57 |
| razor_ | Not really hard to find where files are installed with some basic package management knowledge. | 18:03 |
| razor_ | I'm used to using some older scientific/physics software as well where the made the documentation a pain to access | 18:04 |
| razor_ | Modern linux is ironically too easy sometimes. | 18:05 |
| lordievader | In the case of them not being in the same standard dir, "document.URL" will tell you the requested url. From there you can extract what the dir is, I'd say. | 18:08 |
| Mamarok | Congratulations everyone :) | 18:30 |
| lordievader | Mamarok: You too :) | 18:31 |
| Mamarok | thanks, but I didn't do much | 18:34 |
| lordievader | No reason not to enjoy this release ;) | 18:35 |
| ScottK | Riddell: The lack of visual feedback when Muon update manager is updating the package list is really disturbing. | 18:41 |
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| ahoneybun | Riddell: the page has been removed for now that was in the kubuntu-docs package I believe | 19:32 |
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| ScottK | valorie: Don't forget to remove that entry from /etc/hosts now. | 22:24 |
| ahoneybun | ScottK: I know the page for membership but its a bit odd of a page | 22:36 |
| ScottK | ? | 22:36 |
| ahoneybun | I can't understand how to apply | 22:37 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 22:37 |
| ScottK | valorie: Can you help with ^^^? I'm trying to catch up on $work right now after taking off more time than I planned yesterday and today for the release. | 22:38 |
| ahoneybun | ScottK: I want membership | 22:39 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: make a wiki page saying who you are, what you do for kubuntu and what you'll do in the future | 22:41 |
| Riddell | then organise a meeting of kubuntu council with doodle | 22:41 |
| Riddell | then we'll grill you and see if you're one of us | 22:41 |
| ahoneybun | grill me lol | 22:42 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AaronHoneycutt | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | mhh, release out... flameware on golem.de about dolphin vs. nautilus... apachelogger facepalms | 22:45 |
| Riddell | "Technicial Wring class " typo? | 22:45 |
| * apachelogger wrings some technology | 22:46 | |
| ahoneybun | maybe | 22:46 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: I'm updating it a bit now | 22:47 |
| valorie | here, trying to read up | 22:50 |
| valorie | had a busy morning offline | 22:50 |
| apachelogger | valorie: morning was three quaters of a day ago :P | 22:53 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: hey | 22:53 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: making the doodle now | 22:53 |
| valorie | 'twas, true | 22:53 |
| valorie | but my teeth are all nice and shiny-clean | 22:53 |
| valorie | etc. | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: we should bring proper release notes back | 22:54 |
| valorie | timing couldn't be helped | 22:55 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: ScottK valorie http://doodle.com/kg5ybsf3epbrvr9c | 22:55 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: did anyone read them? | 22:57 |
| ahoneybun | also sent it to the mailing list | 22:57 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: send it to the e-mail list | 22:57 |
| * Riddell snoozes | 22:57 | |
| apachelogger | nite | 22:57 |
| ahoneybun | nite | 22:58 |
| valorie | sweet dreams, Riddell | 22:58 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I have read one german post that found it a bit sad that we don't provide a more comprehensive list of what changed | 22:58 |
| valorie | congratulations on an awesome release! | 22:58 |
| ahoneybun | yea! | 22:58 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: though I also didn't find the previous notes very useful and terrible to read to begin with | 22:58 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: done | 23:00 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: did the doodle I see | 23:01 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: bug 1235633 also reports the upower issue so I reckon it's a bit more wide spread | 23:02 |
| ubottu | bug 1240673 in upower (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1235633 Reports 0% charged for fully charged batteries" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240673 | 23:02 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: also I find it suspicious that the oldest report seems to have been not 2 weeks ago | 23:03 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: oh, btw, that is the plan for muon are we going to land a final via SRU or what? | 23:06 |
| valorie | pffff, i'm setting up my torrents, and now I get connection refused | 23:12 |
| valorie | lubuntu sure does have lotsa choices | 23:12 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: The short release notes are just due to shadeslayer being lazy. | 23:12 |
| apachelogger | in other news: earth apparently is not flat | 23:14 |
| apachelogger | a feature overview is nice, but IMO a bit limited WRT what actually changed and how that affects an educated user etc. | 23:14 |
| ScottK | He did ask for comments. I improved it some. | 23:15 |
| apachelogger | maybe it's me, but there is something seriously wrong with the updater experience | 23:19 |
| ScottK | It's not just you. | 23:20 |
| apachelogger | got a notification for updates, opened, updater came up said there are no updates, notification and trayicon went away now I don't know what to do | 23:20 |
| apachelogger | and really, what happend with JT? | 23:20 |
| ScottK | $dayjob, I think. | 23:20 |
| apachelogger | I was rather under the impression that he dayjobbed at blue systems | 23:21 |
| apachelogger | or maybe I am imagining things now | 23:22 |
| apachelogger | in any case I am way too sober for release day | 23:22 |
| valorie | for me the updater looked pretty much as it has always looked | 23:22 |
| apachelogger | it's bugged | 23:23 |
| apachelogger | oh that machine is a bit old | 23:24 |
| ScottK | The absolute lack of feedback when you ask to check for updates is awful. | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | now it crashed | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | oh my | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | to be perfectly honest I believe that stuff should be in discover | 23:27 |
| apachelogger | muon-notifier/release-checker has serious problems | 23:29 |
| apachelogger | 4 forks running | 23:29 |
| apachelogger | and apparently all 4 of them do the same thing | 23:29 |
| apachelogger | and they are started whenever you start muonanything so whenever something muon starts your system performance goes on vacation and the intartubes get all cogged up | 23:30 |
| apachelogger | time.sleep | 23:31 |
| apachelogger | :O | 23:31 |
| apachelogger | who wrote that | 23:31 |
| apachelogger | :@ | 23:31 |
| valorie | {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} and sweet dreams, apachelogger | 23:31 |
| apachelogger | valorie: are you going to bed? because I was pasting actual code :P | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | can someone else please open ksysguard and filter for muon ... then start muon-discover and see if 4 python3 applications show up in ksysguard | 23:33 |
| valorie | lolol | 23:34 |
| valorie | no, not sleeping the in the middle of the sunny afternoon, no | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | afternoon was half a day ago :P | 23:35 |
| valorie | yes, that's exactly what happens here | 23:36 |
| valorie | 3 pythorns | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | buuug | 23:36 |
| valorie | oh, now they're gone | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | yeah they basically just check if a new distro release is preset | 23:36 |
| valorie | lots of kio_http though | 23:37 |
| valorie | 8 of them | 23:37 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I just filed KDE bug 326169. | 23:37 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 326169 in updater "No feedback provided when checking for updates" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326169 | 23:37 |
| apachelogger | valorie: yeah, dunno what those are yet, may be changelog queries though | 23:37 |
| apachelogger | anyway, there should be one pyth0rn | 23:37 |
| valorie | now there is none | 23:38 |
| apachelogger | so that's a buggy bug | 23:38 |
| apachelogger | and there should not be a pyth0rn right after startup | 23:38 |
| apachelogger | although I'd argue that there should be none until the user enters an updaete context (i.e. starts muon-updater OR goes to the muon-discover installed-software-tab) | 23:38 |
| apachelogger | something is wrong with apt-xapian as well | 23:47 |
| apachelogger | it appears to be lingering for a while now | 23:47 |
| apachelogger | we really need more python software in kubuntu | 23:47 |
| apachelogger | it's so incredibly reliable | 23:48 |
| valorie | plus, it would make you happier | 23:50 |
| apachelogger | yes, a lot | 23:50 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I think I'm done for now: KDE Bug 326169, KDE Bug 326171, KDE Bug 326174 | 23:51 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 326169 in updater "No feedback provided when checking for updates" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326169 | 23:51 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 326171 in updater "Update checks unreliable" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326171 | 23:51 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 326174 in updater "Package update installation U/I unreliable" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326174 | 23:51 |
| ScottK | I don't think the updater's problems have anything to do with what it's implemented in. | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | teh updater is not implemented in python | 23:53 |
| apachelogger | apt-xapian is | 23:53 |
| apachelogger | that being said, updater does not simply hang :P | 23:53 |
| ScottK | Right. apt-xapian could stand being burned to the ground and re-implemented from scratch. | 23:55 |
| valorie | dinner; bbl | 23:58 |
| apachelogger | yeah, I dunno apt-xapian-update is definitely stuck on something | 23:59 |
| * apachelogger cries | 23:59 | |
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