[01:01] never going to give you up [02:50] i see something weird: after resume from suspend ,my computer is frozen for quite a few seconds.. however it seems to accept input, i.e. i can enter my password and hit return to login [02:50] is there any way i can debug the issue? [05:12] valorie: Is anyone updating the screen shots like Riddell asked? [05:17] hmmm, not that I know of [05:17] however, my test boxes are done updating [05:17] therefore I should be able to do it [05:18] I guess I should report my upgrade tests on the test site too, while I'm at it [05:23] We have a pass result for all the upgrade cases, so unless you have problems you needed to report, the screen shots are more important. [05:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/1240807 [05:25] Ubuntu bug 1240807 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Broken relative links in HTML docs" [Undecided,New] [05:25] ^^^^^ Getting broken relative HTML links in current kubuntu-docs package. [05:25] Something broken in conversion there? [05:32] cool, reporting is a pain, screenshots are easy [06:09] bleah, I feel like an idiot, but I can't seem to figure out to how to upload my new screenie to the wiki [06:10] they talk about an "attachment" link but I find no such link anywhere [06:10] oh good lord, now I find it [06:13] Upgrade instructions fixed up. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaucyUpgrades/Kubuntu [06:13] If someone hasn't upgraded yet, should use some raring screenshots for the first part of htat. [06:22] oh, my god, I'd forgotten how much I hate moin moin, and like KDE's wiki [06:22] grrr [06:23] BTW, I don't seem to have a working password to the web site. [06:32] geez, finally have uploaded screenshot and lil screenie to the wiki [06:32] ScottK: this laptop isn't upgraded yet [06:33] if you think that is important, I can do new screenies for the upgrade page as well, but I have no access to the website [06:34] I honestly think no one will notice the older wallpaper though [06:41] razor_: Are you using your browser to open the docs, im talking about bug 1240807. [06:41] bug 1240807 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Broken relative links in HTML docs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240807 [06:41] Good morning btw. [06:45] valorie: If you put 212.13.202.11 changelogs.ubuntu.com in /etc/hosts, you can test the automatic upgrade notification (and take screen shots if you want). [06:45] Now I must sleep. [06:46] thanks for all your work, ScottK [06:53] lordievader: Yep. In browser. As they are HTML I assumed they should work equally well in that compared to KDE help centre, but perhaps not the intended case then? [06:59] razor_: Well the way they work, the links refer to the root of the site, on your pc that is /, ofcourse, the khelpcenter modifies this to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/ I'm starting to wonder if the other docs work this way. [07:04] Hmm nevermind, the others seem to be docbook only. [07:05] Don't know about ubuntu specific docs on that one, but I'm reasonably used to pasting the local path for HTML docs on a lot of software in a browser to view and it works OK. [07:06] If that is not wished for kubuntu docs then no big deal, as long as expected behaviour is not broken. [07:06] razor_: Ok, I see. Would be interesting for 14.04, I'll see if I can get it working by then ;) [07:06] razor_: Well as long as it works in the khelpcenter I'd say it is working ;) [07:06] Fair enough. [07:07] But I do agree it would be nice if it works outside of the khelpcenter too. [07:07] razor_: we only recently started working on the docs again, so they are not as good as they need to be yet, for sure [07:07] sorry to hear that they aren't working as expected [07:08] Yes, I only looked as I noticed they had been recently revamped. [07:09] the old ones were a bit too moldy to continue to send out [08:03] testing the auto-upgrade notification, which involves restarting, so signing out for now [08:07] morning [08:07] valorie: auto-upgrade notification? [08:07] shadeslayer: what's the plan du jour? [08:09] * Riddell high fives ScottK for doing the SaucyUpgrades page [08:09] Riddell: HAI! [08:10] anyone doing Install (auto-resize) ? [08:14] ScottK: is there still a crash on upgrade in network manager? [08:15] * Riddell browses http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1ned6x/what_to_expect_for_kubuntu_1310/ [08:15] I wonder if its worth mentioning in the release notes that we're using X with plans to use Wayland, stop people worrying [08:28] shadeslayer: include link to jussi's shop in the release announcement too? [08:38] agateau: hmm i think I found a (fairly minor) issue, if the wireless step is skipped due to wired connection then if you click back from partitioning it complains and just goes to partitioning again [08:43] Riddell: :/ [08:43] Riddell: what does it say? [08:45] agateau: it moans about loading modules, presumably because it goes back to the wireless step then straight onto the partitioning step again, it should go back to the previous step [08:45] Riddell: ok, let's see if I can reproduce it [08:53] hi smartboyhw [08:55] Riddell, hello:) [08:57] anything exciting happening today? [08:57] Riddell, yes, the release. [08:58] * Riddell high fives valorie for testing upgrade [08:58] I guess we are soon ready, just waiting for your final test on auto-resize on amd64 [08:59] just booting that up [09:26] cor plasma active does actually start on the kubuntu active image [09:37] * Riddell starts on kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 [09:38] hi vassie, can you feel the excitement in the air? [09:39] Hello Riddell :) I sure can [09:40] Been running Saucy for a few weeks now, the minor issues I found have all been fixed :) [09:44] awooga [09:45] My Saturday just became free, so I know what's I'll be up to [09:45] Laptop and desktop already backed up [09:47] hola [09:47] Hola shadeslayer [09:47] ssup, everything going good? [09:48] Riddell: sure [09:48] shadeslayer, quite:) [09:49] shadeslayer: did you have to swear allegance to juan carlos and hide all your catalan flags? [09:50] meh converting the release announce from wiki to html always takes ages, we do too much new stuff! [09:50] lol [09:51] hehe [09:51] * shadeslayer is a proper EU citizen, got my residence card today :D [09:52] shadeslayer, congratulations! [09:53] shadeslayer: welcome to the continent :) [09:54] ^_^ [09:55] * yofel still needs to get used to shadeslayer being in the same timezone as him [09:55] hahaha [09:55] welcome in any case :) [10:13] how's this? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 [10:25] ahoneybun: able to do some proofreading? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 [10:25] * Riddell updates http://www.kubuntu.org/content/homepage [10:31] Riddell: I just woke up a few mins ago lol, I'll look at it [10:38] hmm this page really could do with some improvement https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto [10:38] I'd like to replace that with a simple kubuntu page [10:40] Ubuntu 9.10 image wow [10:40] :O [10:40] That's terrifying;P [10:41] brb [10:42] I guess that can be fixed when our docs Install page gets done [10:49] back [10:50] or it can be merged into it [10:50] nah, needs rewritten, that document is crap and incomplete [10:50] yea [10:52] how do I get into that admin page? [10:52] ahoneybun, you don't have access? (/me has the ACL here if you want) [10:53] smartboyhw: I don't think so [10:53] ? [10:54] ahoneybun, OK, Riddell can you approve me to give ahoneybun ACL? [10:59] 'Morning folks [11:00] BluesKaj: morning [11:01] hey ahoneybun [11:02] smartboyhw: ACL? [11:02] smartboyhw: yeah give him the password [11:04] hey BluesKaj [11:07] hello [11:08] is released ? :P [11:08] nope, still waiting on you to proofread the announce :) [11:08] loool [11:08] :P [11:09] heh heh [11:10] 16.1 = final ? [11:11] :P [11:11] cortexA9, might be, might not be [11:11] Any ISO images you find are not guaranteed to be final until announced by the release manager [11:11] (from #ubuntu-release-party topic) [11:11] ok [11:14] whos release manager ? [11:15] soee, if we tell anybody then everybody will be ushering him to get it out a.s.a.p, so I don't think it should be told:P [11:15] oh you.. :) [11:15] lol [11:18] soee, not me [11:18] Somebody from the Ubuntu Release Team [11:19] oh it's out :P [11:19] eheh [11:20] need to test it :P [11:20] Not 'out' officially:) [11:23] :P [11:23] it's not out at all, watch the announce list to know when it is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ [11:23] oh ok sorry === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [11:46] Riddell: all ok. [11:46] :) [11:46] tested [11:46] smartboyhw: all ok. [12:02] google plus is a confusing minefield to me, does that mean I'm getting older? [12:04] Riddell, what? [12:04] Can't be:P [12:08] Riddell: no, it's constructed that youre getting confused and thus caught there and never find your way out [12:08] Riddell: yes, it means you are an ancient luddite :P [12:16] I wonder what t-series will be called [12:17] jussi: uh oh your kubuntu polo shirts have competition! http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2013/10/byobu-t-shirts-are-here.html [12:17] lol [12:17] Riddell: yeah, I noticed that [12:17] now I like byobu but it just doesn't inspire enough fandom in me to want to buy a t-shirt [12:18] btw, I hate windows and its "forced updates when you shutdown" idea. EVIL! [12:18] Riddell: are you planning to buy a Kubuntu one? [12:18] jussi: no sympathy here but we have this other nice operating system if you have a problem with windows :) [12:18] Riddell: that other nice operating system doesnt flash my phone [12:19] unfortunately [12:19] yeah we removed hotbabe from the archives [12:19] oh other sort of flash [12:19] hehe [12:20] jussi: not sure I need another kubuntu polo shirt, I already have one, but I think we should get a bunch to munich to make sure everyone there gets one [12:20] for some sensible definition of everyone [12:20] Riddell: yeah, have to order now if we need more on time... [12:20] mind, they go quicker now [12:21] Riddell: oh, and I had to take down the donations things, as money collection rules are evil here in .fi [12:21] which donations thing? [12:21] thankfully no one had donated yet [12:22] Riddell: we had the possbility up for people to donate through that shop also. [12:22] I will put a link to the kubuntu donations page there [12:23] thanks [12:25] ScottK: ahoneybun: bug 1240951 for SRU [12:25] bug 1240951 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Saucy) "installation pages should be removed from kubuntu-docs" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240951 [12:40] Riddell: I've upgraded two systems recently. One over the weekend (it crashed) and one yesterday (it didn't). So my guess is it happens some of the time. I doubt we fixed it since the weekend. [12:43] ok we'll put it on the release notes [12:43] I wonder if we should be worried that valorie hasn't reappeared [12:43] It's very early in her TZ. [12:44] she e-mailed at 01:54:53 her time, maybe she fell asleep while doing the upgrade [12:44] I'll mark upgrades as ready [12:51] Yeah. I'm pretty sure they are. [13:01] going out for a wee bit, if the release happens just publish https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 and change the banner for the one which is commented out at https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/162/edit [13:06] Riddell: Got it. [13:15] ack [13:19] Hmm, sounds like it's released? [13:21] I don't see a email [13:21] not yet , https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ [13:25] smartboyhw: your sources are bad :P [13:26] shadeslayer, it's #ubuntu-release ACKed [13:26] (By cjwatson:P) [13:26] Look at #ubuntu-release-party [13:27] someone forgot to send a email then [13:27] The announcement is on hold because of the website === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu | https://trello.com/kubuntu | 4.11.2 notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | bugs http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | 13.10 released | Shirts! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ [13:28] kubuntu.org updated. [13:28] awesome [13:30] nice. [13:32] thers no announcement on g+ ? [13:32] Who controls the Kubuntu G+ accounts? [13:33] Wasn't it Darkwing? [13:34] moi [13:34] updating [13:34] yay do-release-upgrade started :) [13:34] well [13:34] someone beat me to it [13:46] ooh! [13:46] Riddell, yes:P (Please update chan topics on #kubuntu and #k-offtopic) [13:47] Good job everybody on the 13.10 release:) [13:48] awooga [13:50] yep thanks for your help everyone [13:51] Riddell, #kubuntu-offtopic? [13:51] (There is also a not yet updated topic) [13:52] -offtopic is not +t btw ^^ [13:53] Riddell: Someone should send a mail too. I didn't get to that. Would you? [13:53] ScottK: I sent a wee one to kubuntu-devel [13:53] yofel, oh:P [13:53] Great. Kubuntu-users might appreciate knowing too. [13:53] good point [14:12] bah [14:12] Riddell: the about system dialog is missing text in the Processors field [14:13] shadeslayer: yeah, known bug, it's something in solid not talking to something in udev [14:13] Supposed to be SRUed [14:13] no no in the release announcement screenshot [14:13] Harald patched out about system to not display the processors when it couldn't find the ifno [14:13] *info [14:14] aah [14:14] Oh [14:17] Riddell: Alex also says that it'd be nice to have another user in the user-manager screenshot [14:18] shadeslayer: it's a wiki, edit :) [14:18] it is? I thought it was on https://www-admin.kubuntu.org [14:19] oh good point [14:19] although the images are on the wiki [14:19] attachment on that website is broken [14:19] Riddell: I can reproduce the Ubiquity bug. I am going to fix it, but if I am not mistaken the fix won't land until 14.04, right? [14:20] Riddell: the bug of the sleep mode is still present in the 13.10 final ? [14:21] i didn't tried [14:22] agateau: we can do an SRU and anyone who clicks the "upgrade the installer" option at the start will get it [14:23] cortexA9: suspend works well for me [14:23] ok [14:23] Riddell: there is an "upgrade the installer" option? [14:23] because it freeze Riddell [14:23] when i turn back from sleep mode.. [14:24] in the past.. [14:24] agateau: It happens when you check the apply updates button, IIRC. [14:25] agateau: yeah although i guess if you've never seen it that suggests most other people haven't either [14:26] Riddell: I knew about the update check box, but didn't know it would restart the installer [14:26] ubiquity never cease to amaze me :) [14:27] Good job everyone on Saucy Salamander :D [14:27] Glad to see it released ^^ [14:33] Err, in the release notes "/news/kubuntu-13.10" the link to the Documentation is still in wiki syntax: [[http://docs.kubuntu.org|docs.kubuntu.org]] [14:35] bah [14:35] Riddell: can you resize about-system-wee.png so that it shows up properly? [14:38] shadeslayer: just remove one of the size values if you don't know the aspect ratio [14:39] oh [14:40] "This content has been modified by another user, changes cannot be saved." [14:41] fffffuuuuu [14:41] shadeslayer: fixed [14:41] lordievader: fixed [14:41] thx [14:42] Riddell: \o/ [14:42] lolwhat, I set up kmail in kvm for an upgrade test. Now kmail in the VM and my real kmail session here don't agree on how many unread mails I have in my inbox - and I'm using IMAP... [14:43] jussi, pinf [14:43] *ping [14:44] heh [15:02] ScottK: do you know of packages that ship files in /usr/local [15:02] Shouldn't be any. [15:03] okay well, anything that moves files to /usr/local ? [15:03] ahoneybun: ping, you around? I have some awesome ideas for fixing bug 1240807 [15:03] bug 1240807 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Broken relative links in HTML docs" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240807 [15:07] smartboyhw: yes? (quick, IM not here long and contentless pings suck) [15:07] jussi, go to #ubuntustudio and change topic s/13.04/13.10/ [15:07] :P [15:07] meh. later. busy [15:11] shadeslayer: /usr/local is for local things. The packaging system shouldn't change it. There's one exception to this (language specific), but I don't recall what it is. [15:14] ack [15:25] Yayy bug 1240807 can be considered fixed. Riddel can this fix be included with the SRU for the kubuntu-docs package? [15:25] bug 1240807 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Broken relative links in HTML docs" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240807 [15:25] soee. do you recall the tutorial URL for fixing the optimus gpu driver issues ? [15:27] soee. nm , I found it [15:28] Someone in #k is pointing out that http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download still only has Raring [15:34] this one supposedly works , http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 [15:35] genii: hmm good point [15:40] hi everyone! [15:40] congratulations on another release! [15:40] thanks yuriy_ :) [15:47] hello i did update and upgrade [15:47] but .... [15:47] /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-nm_0.9.3.0-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb [15:47] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [15:48] error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-nm_0.9.3.0-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb (--unpack): [15:48] trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/oxygen/64x64/apps/networkmanager.png', which is also in package plasma-widget-networkmanagement 0.9.0.9-1ubuntu1 [15:48] dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe) [15:48] Errors were encountered while processing: [15:48] /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-nm_0.9.3.0-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb [15:48] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [15:48] Riddell: ^ [16:03] :S [16:03] Peace-: how did you do the upgrade? [16:04] shadeslayer: from konsole [16:04] sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [16:04] Peace-: and you were running saucy before? [16:04] shadeslayer: yep [16:05] let me check if i did upgrade [16:05] or dist-upgrade [16:05] I can think of a reason why this would happen [16:06] shadeslayer: i did upgrade [16:07] shadeslayer: anyway it seems i have fixed i mean i removed plasma-widget and install reinstalled plasma-nm [16:08] yep that's one way [16:08] i have just reported that issue [16:08] But I think apachelogger forgot to Break/Replace plasna-widget-networkmanager [16:08] maybe it's because i have installed the beta that had old plasma network thing [16:08] yep [16:08] ok :D [16:09] apachelogger: halp [16:09] apachelogger: my dolphin speaketh German [16:09] i go thank you shadeslayer [16:09] I dropped the silly setlocale.sh from ~/.kde/env [16:09] and it still speaketh German [16:09] maybe it's trying to teach me something [16:11] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/p4f0a62b7 [16:14] how's this? kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download [16:15] do we still want to link to wubi on kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download ? [16:16] wubi is more support trouble than it's worth ,,wish ubuntu would dump it altogether for all OS versions [16:17] what problems does it cause? [16:17] is wubi even supported? [16:17] IIRC it wasn't [16:17] only for 12.04LTS [16:17] ^^ [16:18] Don't put it then [16:18] ppl think they actully hav an independent OS , rather than one that runs from a file in windows which cause internet connect problems , audio setup problems etc etc [16:18] ok removed [16:18] wow this page is worse than the burning image one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick [16:19] if I was starting out that would put me right off [16:19] ahoneybun: fancy adding that to your docs todo list? ↑ [16:44] shadeslayer: I am not online on release day [16:44] apachelogger: so you can avoid all the bugs that are caused because of you ? :D [16:45] I did not touch plasma-nm until like 2 weeks ago when I started patching it [16:45] did not ever touch it's packaging [16:45] but yeah, the idea is that I do not have to deal with bugs :P [17:03] yeah! with 13.10 i can do rectangular screenshots again without dying X :) [17:21] Riddell: How is it going with the updated docs package (the one without the installation pages)? I read this will be a SRU? If so I have a fix which would be nice if it was included. [17:24] lordievader: yes there's an SRU for that [17:24] bug 1240951 [17:24] bug 1240951 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Saucy) "installation pages should be removed from kubuntu-docs" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240951 [17:25] Riddell: True, but I have a fix for bug 1240807 [17:25] bug 1240807 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Broken relative links in HTML docs" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240807 [17:26] lordievader: groovy, throw it in [17:26] Riddell: Ehh, where exactly? The way I made the package last time? [17:28] lordievader: give me a patch for the tokhelp.py script [17:29] Riddell: Actually, it is an added javascript and a modified header/footer. [17:30] lordievader: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-docs_13.10ubuntu2.1.tar.gz [17:30] that's what I uploaded for SRU [17:30] make your changes to that and I'll upload again [17:31] Riddell: Simply extract, change, and compress? [17:32] lordievader: yeah [17:37] Riddell: Here you go: http://griffioen.no-ip.org/kubuntu-docs/kubuntu-docs_13.10ubuntu2.1.tar.gz [17:41] Riddell: broken link on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 for kubuntu docs [17:41] oh [17:41] it's fixed [17:41] sorry [17:42] lordievader: gosh javascript? [17:42] lordievader: can't it be done by changing the files in tokhelp.py ? [17:44] Riddell: I don't think so. Khelpcenter and a browser use different root-dirs. Actually I haven't tested how khelpcenter does absolute paths, but I won't be surprised if it prepends "/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en"... [17:46] lordievader: but why does a browser have anything to do with it? [17:46] this package is for files to be read by Khelpcenter only [17:47] Riddell: Someone came by this morning who did open them with a browser, so I thought why not. [17:48] um, why did they open them in a browser? [17:48] Good question. [17:50] ^^ didn't know they were accessible via the help centre. [17:50] long time since I had looked at them [17:55] that would actually be quite hard to do, you'd need to find the path it's installed to [17:57] Riddell: Isn't /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en default for Kubuntu? [17:57] Riddell: No wubi please. [18:03] Not really hard to find where files are installed with some basic package management knowledge. [18:04] I'm used to using some older scientific/physics software as well where the made the documentation a pain to access [18:05] Modern linux is ironically too easy sometimes. [18:08] In the case of them not being in the same standard dir, "document.URL" will tell you the requested url. From there you can extract what the dir is, I'd say. [18:30] Congratulations everyone :) [18:31] Mamarok: You too :) [18:34] thanks, but I didn't do much [18:35] No reason not to enjoy this release ;) [18:41] Riddell: The lack of visual feedback when Muon update manager is updating the package list is really disturbing. === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [19:32] Riddell: the page has been removed for now that was in the kubuntu-docs package I believe === BluesKaj_ is now known as BluesKaj [22:24] valorie: Don't forget to remove that entry from /etc/hosts now. [22:36] ScottK: I know the page for membership but its a bit odd of a page [22:36] ? [22:37] I can't understand how to apply [22:37] Ah. [22:38] valorie: Can you help with ^^^? I'm trying to catch up on $work right now after taking off more time than I planned yesterday and today for the release. [22:39] ScottK: I want membership [22:41] ahoneybun: make a wiki page saying who you are, what you do for kubuntu and what you'll do in the future [22:41] then organise a meeting of kubuntu council with doodle [22:41] then we'll grill you and see if you're one of us [22:42] grill me lol [22:43] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AaronHoneycutt [22:45] mhh, release out... flameware on golem.de about dolphin vs. nautilus... apachelogger facepalms [22:45] "Technicial Wring class " typo? [22:46] * apachelogger wrings some technology [22:46] maybe [22:47] Riddell: I'm updating it a bit now [22:50] here, trying to read up [22:50] had a busy morning offline [22:53] valorie: morning was three quaters of a day ago :P [22:53] valorie: hey [22:53] Riddell: making the doodle now [22:53] 'twas, true [22:53]