[01:01] <ahoneybun> never going to give you up
[02:50] <rohan> i see something weird: after resume from suspend ,my computer is frozen for quite a few seconds.. however it seems to accept input, i.e. i can enter my password and hit return to login 
[02:50] <rohan> is there any way i can debug the issue? 
[05:12] <ScottK> valorie: Is anyone updating the screen shots like Riddell asked?
[05:17] <valorie> hmmm, not that I know of
[05:17] <valorie> however, my test boxes are done updating
[05:17] <valorie> therefore I should be able to do it
[05:18] <valorie> I guess I should report my upgrade tests on the test site too, while I'm at it
[05:23] <ScottK> We have a pass result for all the upgrade cases, so unless you have problems you needed to report, the screen shots are more important.
[05:25] <razor_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/1240807
[05:25] <razor_> ^^^^^ Getting broken relative HTML links in current kubuntu-docs package. 
[05:25] <razor_> Something broken in conversion there?
[05:32] <valorie> cool, reporting is a pain, screenshots are easy
[06:09] <valorie> bleah, I feel like an idiot, but I can't seem to figure out to how to upload my new screenie to the wiki
[06:10] <valorie> they talk about an "attachment" link but I find no such link anywhere
[06:10] <valorie> oh good lord, now I find it
[06:13] <ScottK> Upgrade instructions fixed up.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaucyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[06:13] <ScottK> If someone hasn't upgraded yet, should use some raring screenshots for the first part of htat.
[06:22] <valorie> oh, my god, I'd forgotten how much I hate moin moin, and like KDE's wiki
[06:22] <valorie> grrr
[06:23] <ScottK> BTW, I don't seem to have a working password to the web site.
[06:32] <valorie> geez, finally have uploaded screenshot and lil screenie to the wiki
[06:32] <valorie> ScottK: this laptop isn't upgraded yet
[06:33] <valorie> if you think that is important, I can do new screenies for the upgrade page as well, but I have no access to the website
[06:34] <valorie> I honestly think no one will notice the older wallpaper though
[06:41] <lordievader> razor_: Are you using your browser to open the docs, im talking about bug 1240807.
[06:41] <lordievader> Good morning btw.
[06:45] <ScottK> valorie: If you put 212.13.202.11 changelogs.ubuntu.com in /etc/hosts, you can test the automatic upgrade notification (and take screen shots if you want).
[06:45] <ScottK> Now I must sleep.
[06:46] <valorie> thanks for all your work, ScottK
[06:53] <razor_> lordievader: Yep. In browser. As they are HTML I assumed they should work equally well in that compared to KDE help centre, but perhaps not the intended case then?
[06:59] <lordievader> razor_: Well the way they work, the links refer to the root of the site, on your pc that is /, ofcourse, the khelpcenter modifies this to /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/ I'm starting to wonder if the other docs work this way.
[07:04] <lordievader> Hmm nevermind, the others seem to be docbook only.
[07:05] <razor_> Don't know about ubuntu specific docs on that one, but I'm reasonably used to pasting the local path for HTML docs on a lot of software in a browser to view and it works OK.
[07:06] <razor_> If that is not wished for kubuntu docs then no big deal, as long as expected behaviour is not broken.
[07:06] <lordievader> razor_: Ok, I see. Would be interesting for 14.04, I'll see if I can get it working by then ;)
[07:06] <lordievader> razor_: Well as long as it works in the khelpcenter I'd say it is working ;)
[07:06] <razor_> Fair enough. 
[07:07] <lordievader> But I do agree it would be nice if it works outside of the khelpcenter too.
[07:07] <valorie> razor_: we only recently started working on the docs again, so they are not as good as they need to be yet, for sure
[07:07] <valorie> sorry to hear that they aren't working as expected
[07:08] <razor_> Yes, I only looked as I noticed they had been recently revamped.
[07:09] <valorie> the old ones were a bit too moldy to continue to send out 
[08:03] <valorie> testing the auto-upgrade notification, which involves restarting, so signing out for now
[08:07] <Riddell> morning
[08:07] <Riddell> valorie: auto-upgrade notification?
[08:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's the plan du jour?
[08:09]  * Riddell high fives ScottK for doing the SaucyUpgrades page
[08:09] <jussi> Riddell: HAI!
[08:10] <Riddell> anyone doing Install (auto-resize) ?
[08:14] <Riddell> ScottK: is there still a crash on upgrade in network manager?
[08:15]  * Riddell browses http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1ned6x/what_to_expect_for_kubuntu_1310/
[08:15] <Riddell> I wonder if its worth mentioning in the release notes that we're using X with plans to use Wayland, stop people worrying
[08:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: include link to jussi's shop in the release announcement too?
[08:38] <Riddell> agateau: hmm i think I found a (fairly minor) issue, if the wireless step is skipped due to wired connection then if you click back from partitioning it complains and just goes to partitioning again
[08:43] <agateau> Riddell: :/
[08:43] <agateau> Riddell: what does it say?
[08:45] <Riddell> agateau: it moans about loading modules, presumably because it goes back to the wireless step then straight onto the partitioning step again, it should go back to the previous step
[08:45] <agateau> Riddell: ok, let's see if I can reproduce it
[08:53] <Riddell> hi smartboyhw 
[08:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hello:)
[08:57] <Riddell> anything exciting happening today?
[08:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes, the release.
[08:58]  * Riddell high fives valorie for testing upgrade
[08:58] <smartboyhw> I guess we are soon ready, just waiting for your final test on auto-resize on amd64
[08:59] <Riddell> just booting that up
[09:26] <Riddell> cor plasma active does actually start on the kubuntu active image
[09:37]  * Riddell starts on kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10
[09:38] <Riddell> hi vassie, can you feel the excitement in the air?
[09:39] <vassie> Hello Riddell :) I sure can
[09:40] <vassie> Been running Saucy for a few weeks now, the minor issues I found have all been fixed :)
[09:44] <Riddell> awooga
[09:45] <vassie> My Saturday just became free, so I know what's I'll be up to
[09:45] <vassie> Laptop and desktop already backed up
[09:47] <shadeslayer> hola 
[09:47] <smartboyhw> Hola shadeslayer 
[09:47] <shadeslayer> ssup, everything going good?
[09:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sure
[09:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, quite:)
[09:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you have to swear allegance to juan carlos and hide all your catalan flags?
[09:50] <Riddell> meh converting the release announce from wiki to html always takes ages, we do too much new stuff!
[09:50] <smartboyhw> lol
[09:51] <shadeslayer> hehe
[09:51]  * shadeslayer is a proper EU citizen, got my residence card today :D
[09:52] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, congratulations!
[09:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: welcome to the continent :)
[09:54] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[09:55]  * yofel still needs to get used to shadeslayer being in the same timezone as him
[09:55] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[09:55] <yofel> welcome in any case :)
[10:13] <Riddell> how's this? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10
[10:25] <Riddell> ahoneybun: able to do some proofreading? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10
[10:25]  * Riddell updates http://www.kubuntu.org/content/homepage
[10:31] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I just woke up a few mins ago lol, I'll look at it
[10:38] <Riddell> hmm this page really could do with some improvement https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[10:38] <Riddell> I'd like to replace that with a simple kubuntu page
[10:40] <ahoneybun> Ubuntu 9.10 image wow
[10:40] <smartboyhw> :O
[10:40] <smartboyhw> That's terrifying;P
[10:41] <ahoneybun> brb
[10:42] <Riddell> I guess that can be fixed when our docs Install page gets done
[10:49] <ahoneybun> back
[10:50] <ahoneybun> or it can be merged into it
[10:50] <Riddell> nah, needs rewritten, that document is crap and incomplete
[10:50] <ahoneybun> yea
[10:52] <ahoneybun> how do I get into that admin page?
[10:52] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, you don't have access? (/me has the ACL here if you want)
[10:53] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: I don't think so
[10:53] <ahoneybun> ?
[10:54] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, OK, Riddell can you approve me to give ahoneybun ACL?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:00] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: morning
[11:01] <BluesKaj> hey ahoneybun
[11:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ACL?
[11:02] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah give him the password
[11:04] <ahoneybun> hey BluesKaj
[11:07] <cortexA9> hello
[11:08] <cortexA9> is released ? :P
[11:08] <Riddell> nope, still waiting on you to proofread the announce :)
[11:08] <cortexA9> loool
[11:08] <cortexA9> :P
[11:09] <smartboyhw> heh heh
[11:10] <cortexA9> 16.1 = final ?
[11:11] <cortexA9> :P
[11:11] <smartboyhw> cortexA9, might be, might not be
[11:11] <smartboyhw> Any ISO images you find are not guaranteed to be final until announced by the release manager
[11:11] <smartboyhw> (from #ubuntu-release-party topic)
[11:11] <cortexA9> ok
[11:14] <soee> whos release manager ?
[11:15] <smartboyhw> soee, if we tell anybody then everybody will be ushering him to get it out a.s.a.p, so I don't think it should be told:P
[11:15] <soee> oh you.. :)
[11:15] <cortexA9> lol
[11:18] <smartboyhw> soee, not me
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Somebody from the Ubuntu Release Team 
[11:19] <cortexA9> oh it's out :P
[11:19] <cortexA9> eheh
[11:20] <cortexA9> need to test it :P
[11:20] <smartboyhw> Not 'out' officially:)
[11:23] <cortexA9> :P
[11:23] <Riddell> it's not out at all, watch the announce list to know when it is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[11:23] <cortexA9> oh ok sorry
[11:46] <cortexA9> Riddell: all ok.
[11:46] <cortexA9> :)
[11:46] <cortexA9> tested
[11:46] <cortexA9> smartboyhw: all ok.
[12:02] <Riddell> google plus is a confusing minefield to me, does that mean I'm getting older?
[12:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what?
[12:04] <smartboyhw> Can't be:P
[12:08] <Blizzz> Riddell: no, it's constructed that youre getting confused and thus caught there and never find your way out
[12:08] <jussi> Riddell: yes, it means you are an ancient luddite :P
[12:16] <Riddell> I wonder what t-series will be called
[12:17] <Riddell> jussi: uh oh your kubuntu polo shirts have competition! http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2013/10/byobu-t-shirts-are-here.html
[12:17] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:17] <jussi> Riddell: yeah, I noticed that
[12:17] <Riddell> now I like byobu but it just doesn't inspire enough fandom in me to want to buy a t-shirt
[12:18] <jussi> btw, I hate windows and its "forced updates when you shutdown" idea. EVIL!
[12:18] <jussi> Riddell: are you planning to buy a Kubuntu one? 
[12:18] <Riddell> jussi: no sympathy here but we have this other nice operating system if you have a problem with windows :)
[12:18] <jussi> Riddell: that other nice operating system doesnt flash my phone
[12:19] <jussi> unfortunately
[12:19] <Riddell> yeah we removed hotbabe from the archives
[12:19] <Riddell> oh other sort of flash
[12:19] <jussi> hehe
[12:20] <Riddell> jussi: not sure I need another kubuntu polo shirt, I already have one, but I think we should get a bunch to munich to make sure everyone there gets one
[12:20] <Riddell> for some sensible definition of everyone
[12:20] <jussi> Riddell: yeah, have to order now if we need more on time...
[12:20] <jussi> mind, they go quicker now
[12:21] <jussi> Riddell: oh, and I had to take down the donations things, as money collection rules are evil here in .fi
[12:21] <Riddell> which donations thing?
[12:21] <jussi> thankfully no one had donated yet
[12:22] <jussi> Riddell: we had the possbility up for people to donate through that shop also. 
[12:22] <jussi> I will put a link to the kubuntu donations page there
[12:23] <Riddell> thanks
[12:25] <Riddell> ScottK: ahoneybun: bug 1240951 for SRU
[12:40] <ScottK> Riddell: I've upgraded two systems recently.  One over the weekend (it crashed) and one yesterday (it didn't).  So my guess is it happens some of the time.  I doubt we fixed it since the weekend.
[12:43] <Riddell> ok we'll put it on the release notes
[12:43] <Riddell> I wonder if we should be worried that valorie hasn't reappeared
[12:43] <ScottK> It's very early in her TZ.
[12:44] <Riddell> she e-mailed at 01:54:53 her time, maybe she fell asleep while doing the upgrade
[12:44] <Riddell> I'll mark upgrades as ready
[12:51] <ScottK> Yeah.  I'm pretty sure they are.
[13:01] <Riddell> going out for a wee bit, if the release happens just publish https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 and change the banner for the one which is commented out at https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/162/edit
[13:06] <ScottK> Riddell: Got it.
[13:15] <shadeslayer> ack
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Hmm, sounds like it's released?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> I don't see a email
[13:21] <BluesKaj> not yet , https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[13:25] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: your sources are bad :P
[13:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, it's #ubuntu-release ACKed
[13:26] <smartboyhw> (By cjwatson:P)
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Look at #ubuntu-release-party
[13:27] <shadeslayer> someone forgot to send a email then
[13:27] <smartboyhw> The announcement is on hold because of the website
[13:28] <ScottK> kubuntu.org updated.
[13:28] <shadeslayer> awesome
[13:30] <cortexA9> nice.
[13:32] <soee> thers no announcement on g+ ?
[13:32] <smartboyhw> Who controls the Kubuntu G+ accounts?
[13:33] <ScottK> Wasn't it Darkwing?
[13:34] <shadeslayer> moi
[13:34] <shadeslayer> updating
[13:34] <jjesse> yay do-release-upgrade started :)
[13:34] <shadeslayer> well
[13:34] <shadeslayer> someone beat me to it
[13:46] <Riddell> ooh!
[13:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes:P (Please update chan topics on #kubuntu and #k-offtopic)
[13:47] <smartboyhw> Good job everybody on the 13.10 release:)
[13:48] <Riddell> awooga
[13:50] <Riddell> yep thanks for your help everyone
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, #kubuntu-offtopic?
[13:51] <smartboyhw> (There is also a not yet updated topic)
[13:52] <yofel> -offtopic is not +t btw ^^
[13:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Someone should send a mail too.  I didn't get to that.  Would you?
[13:53] <Riddell> ScottK: I sent a wee one to kubuntu-devel
[13:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh:P
[13:53] <ScottK> Great.  Kubuntu-users might appreciate knowing too.
[13:53] <Riddell> good point
[14:12] <shadeslayer> bah
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the about system dialog is missing text in the Processors field
[14:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah, known bug, it's something in solid not talking to something in udev
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Supposed to be SRUed
[14:13] <shadeslayer> no no in the release announcement screenshot
[14:13] <shadeslayer> Harald patched out about system to not display the processors when it couldn't find the ifno
[14:13] <shadeslayer> *info
[14:14] <Riddell> aah
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Oh
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Alex also says that it'd be nice to have another user in the user-manager screenshot
[14:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's a wiki, edit :)
[14:18] <shadeslayer> it is? I thought it was on https://www-admin.kubuntu.org
[14:19] <Riddell> oh good point
[14:19] <Riddell> although the images are on the wiki
[14:19] <Riddell> attachment on that website is broken
[14:19] <agateau> Riddell: I can reproduce the Ubiquity bug. I am going to fix it, but if I am not mistaken the fix won't land until 14.04, right?
[14:20] <cortexA9> Riddell: the bug of the sleep mode is still present in the 13.10 final ?
[14:21] <cortexA9> i didn't tried
[14:22] <Riddell> agateau: we can do an SRU and anyone who clicks the "upgrade the installer" option at the start will get it
[14:23] <Riddell> cortexA9: suspend works well for me
[14:23] <cortexA9> ok
[14:23] <agateau> Riddell: there is an "upgrade the installer" option?
[14:23] <cortexA9> because it freeze Riddell
[14:23] <cortexA9> when i turn back from sleep mode..
[14:24] <cortexA9> in the past..
[14:24] <ScottK> agateau: It happens when you check the apply updates button, IIRC.
[14:25] <Riddell> agateau: yeah although i guess if you've never seen it that suggests most other people haven't either
[14:26] <agateau> Riddell: I knew about the update check box, but didn't know it would restart the installer
[14:26] <agateau> ubiquity never cease to amaze me :)
[14:27] <lordievader> Good job everyone on Saucy Salamander :D
[14:27] <lordievader> Glad to see it released ^^
[14:33] <lordievader> Err, in the release notes "/news/kubuntu-13.10" the link to the Documentation is still in wiki syntax: [[http://docs.kubuntu.org|docs.kubuntu.org]]
[14:35] <shadeslayer> bah
[14:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you resize about-system-wee.png so that it shows up properly?
[14:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: just remove one of the size values if you don't know the aspect ratio
[14:39] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:40] <shadeslayer> "This content has been modified by another user, changes cannot be saved."
[14:41] <shadeslayer> fffffuuuuu
[14:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: fixed
[14:41] <Riddell> lordievader: fixed
[14:41] <shadeslayer> thx
[14:42] <lordievader> Riddell: \o/
[14:42] <yofel> lolwhat, I set up kmail in kvm for an upgrade test. Now kmail in the VM and my real kmail session here don't agree on how many unread mails I have in my inbox - and I'm using IMAP...
[14:43] <smartboyhw> jussi, pinf
[14:43] <smartboyhw> *ping
[14:44] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: do you know of packages that ship files in /usr/local
[15:02] <ScottK> Shouldn't be any.
[15:03] <shadeslayer> okay well, anything that moves files to /usr/local ?
[15:03] <lordievader> ahoneybun: ping, you around? I have some awesome ideas for fixing bug 1240807
[15:07] <jussi> smartboyhw: yes? (quick, IM not here long and contentless pings suck)
[15:07] <smartboyhw> jussi, go to #ubuntustudio and change topic s/13.04/13.10/
[15:07] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:07] <jussi> meh. later. busy
[15:11] <ScottK> shadeslayer: /usr/local is for local things.  The packaging system shouldn't change it.  There's one exception to this (language specific), but I don't recall what it is.
[15:14] <shadeslayer> ack
[15:25] <lordievader> Yayy bug 1240807 can be considered fixed. Riddel can this fix be included with the SRU for the kubuntu-docs package?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> soee. do you recall the tutorial URL for fixing the optimus gpu driver issues ?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> soee. nm , I found it
[15:28] <genii> Someone in #k is pointing out that http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download still only has Raring
[15:34] <BluesKaj> this one supposedly works , http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10
[15:35] <Riddell> genii: hmm good point
[15:40] <yuriy_> hi everyone!
[15:40] <yuriy_> congratulations on another release!
[15:40] <Riddell> thanks yuriy_ :)
[15:47] <Peace-> hello i did update and upgrade 
[15:47] <Peace-> but ....
[15:47] <Peace-> /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-nm_0.9.3.0-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[15:47] <Peace-> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:48] <Peace-> error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-nm_0.9.3.0-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[15:48] <Peace->  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/oxygen/64x64/apps/networkmanager.png', which is also in package plasma-widget-networkmanagement 0.9.0.9-1ubuntu1
[15:48] <Peace-> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[15:48] <Peace-> Errors were encountered while processing:
[15:48] <Peace->  /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-nm_0.9.3.0-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[15:48] <Peace-> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:48] <Peace-> Riddell: ^
[16:03] <shadeslayer> :S
[16:03] <shadeslayer> Peace-: how did you do the upgrade?
[16:04] <Peace-> shadeslayer: from konsole 
[16:04] <Peace-> sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:04] <shadeslayer> Peace-: and you were running saucy before?
[16:04] <Peace-> shadeslayer: yep
[16:05] <Peace-> let me check if i did upgrade
[16:05] <Peace-> or dist-upgrade
[16:05] <shadeslayer> I can think of a reason why this would happen
[16:06] <Peace-> shadeslayer: i did upgrade
[16:07] <Peace-> shadeslayer: anyway it seems i have fixed i mean i removed plasma-widget and install reinstalled plasma-nm
[16:08] <shadeslayer> yep that's one way
[16:08] <Peace-> i have just reported that issue
[16:08] <shadeslayer> But I think apachelogger forgot to Break/Replace plasna-widget-networkmanager 
[16:08] <Peace-> maybe it's because i have installed the beta that had old plasma network thing 
[16:08] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:08] <Peace-> ok :D
[16:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: halp
[16:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: my dolphin speaketh German
[16:09] <Peace-> i go thank you shadeslayer
[16:09] <shadeslayer> I dropped the silly setlocale.sh from ~/.kde/env
[16:09] <shadeslayer> and it still speaketh German
[16:09] <shadeslayer> maybe it's trying to teach me something
[16:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/p4f0a62b7
[16:14] <Riddell> how's this? kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[16:15] <Riddell> do we still want to link to wubi on kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download ?
[16:16] <BluesKaj> wubi is more support trouble than it's worth ,,wish ubuntu would dump it altogether for all OS versions
[16:17] <Riddell> what problems does it cause?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> is wubi even supported?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> IIRC it wasn't
[16:17] <Riddell> only for 12.04LTS
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ^^
[16:18] <shadeslayer> Don't put it then
[16:18] <BluesKaj> ppl think they actully hav an independent OS , rather than one that runs from a file in windows which cause internet connect problems , audio setup problems etc etc
[16:18] <Riddell> ok removed
[16:18] <Riddell> wow this page is worse than the burning image one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[16:19] <Riddell> if I was starting out that would put me right off
[16:19] <Riddell> ahoneybun: fancy adding that to your docs todo list? ↑
[16:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am not online on release day
[16:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so you can avoid all the bugs that are caused because of you ? :D
[16:45] <apachelogger> I did not touch plasma-nm until like 2 weeks ago when I started patching it
[16:45] <apachelogger> did not ever touch it's packaging
[16:45] <apachelogger> but yeah, the idea is that I do not have to deal with bugs :P
[17:03] <Blizzz> yeah! with 13.10 i can do rectangular screenshots again without dying X :)
[17:21] <lordievader> Riddell: How is it going with the updated docs package (the one without the installation pages)? I read this will be a SRU? If so I have a fix which would be nice if it was included.
[17:24] <Riddell> lordievader: yes there's an SRU for that
[17:24] <Riddell> bug 1240951
[17:25] <lordievader> Riddell: True, but I have a fix for bug 1240807
[17:26] <Riddell> lordievader: groovy, throw it in
[17:26] <lordievader> Riddell: Ehh, where exactly? The way I made the package last time?
[17:28] <Riddell> lordievader: give me a patch for the tokhelp.py script
[17:29] <lordievader> Riddell: Actually, it is an added javascript and a modified header/footer.
[17:30] <Riddell> lordievader: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-docs_13.10ubuntu2.1.tar.gz
[17:30] <Riddell> that's what I uploaded for SRU
[17:30] <Riddell> make your changes to that and I'll upload again
[17:31] <lordievader> Riddell: Simply extract, change, and compress?
[17:32] <Riddell> lordievader: yeah
[17:37] <lordievader> Riddell: Here you go: http://griffioen.no-ip.org/kubuntu-docs/kubuntu-docs_13.10ubuntu2.1.tar.gz
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: broken link on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10 for kubuntu docs
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> oh
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> it's fixed
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> sorry
[17:42] <Riddell> lordievader: gosh javascript?
[17:42] <Riddell> lordievader: can't it be done by changing the files in tokhelp.py ?
[17:44] <lordievader> Riddell: I don't think so. Khelpcenter and a browser use different root-dirs. Actually I haven't tested how khelpcenter does absolute paths, but I won't be surprised if it prepends "/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en"...
[17:46] <Riddell> lordievader: but why does a browser have anything to do with it?
[17:46] <Riddell> this package is for files to be read by Khelpcenter only
[17:47] <lordievader> Riddell: Someone came by this morning who did open them with a browser, so I thought why not.
[17:48] <Riddell> um, why did they open them in a browser?
[17:48] <lordievader> Good question.
[17:50] <razor_> ^^ didn't know they were accessible via the help centre.
[17:50] <razor_> long time since I had looked at them
[17:55] <Riddell> that would actually be quite hard to do, you'd need to find the path it's installed to
[17:57] <lordievader> Riddell: Isn't /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en default for Kubuntu?
[17:57] <ScottK> Riddell: No wubi please.
[18:03] <razor_> Not really hard to find where files are installed with some basic package management knowledge.
[18:04] <razor_> I'm used to using some older scientific/physics software as well where the made the documentation a pain to access
[18:05] <razor_> Modern linux is ironically too easy sometimes.
[18:08] <lordievader> In the case of them not being in the same standard dir, "document.URL" will tell you the requested url. From there you can extract what the dir is, I'd say.
[18:30] <Mamarok> Congratulations everyone :)
[18:31] <lordievader> Mamarok: You too :)
[18:34] <Mamarok> thanks, but I didn't do much
[18:35] <lordievader> No reason not to enjoy this release ;)
[18:41] <ScottK> Riddell: The lack of visual feedback when Muon update manager is updating the package list is really disturbing.
[19:32] <ahoneybun> Riddell: the page has been removed for now that was in the kubuntu-docs package I believe
[22:24] <ScottK> valorie: Don't forget to remove that entry from /etc/hosts now.
[22:36] <ahoneybun> ScottK: I know the page for membership but its a bit odd of a page
[22:36] <ScottK> ?
[22:37] <ahoneybun> I can't understand how to apply
[22:37] <ScottK> Ah.
[22:38] <ScottK> valorie: Can you help with ^^^?  I'm trying to catch up on $work right now after taking off more time than I planned yesterday and today for the release.
[22:39] <ahoneybun> ScottK: I want membership
[22:41] <Riddell> ahoneybun: make a wiki page saying who you are, what you do for kubuntu and what you'll do in the future
[22:41] <Riddell> then organise a meeting of kubuntu council with doodle
[22:41] <Riddell> then we'll grill you and see if you're one of us
[22:42] <ahoneybun> grill me lol
[22:43] <ahoneybun> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AaronHoneycutt
[22:45] <apachelogger> mhh, release out... flameware on golem.de about dolphin vs. nautilus... apachelogger facepalms
[22:45] <Riddell> "Technicial Wring class " typo?
[22:46]  * apachelogger wrings some technology
[22:46] <ahoneybun> maybe 
[22:47] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I'm updating it a bit now
[22:50] <valorie> here, trying to read up
[22:50] <valorie> had a busy morning offline
[22:53] <apachelogger> valorie: morning was three quaters of a day ago :P
[22:53] <ahoneybun> valorie: hey 
[22:53] <ahoneybun> Riddell: making the doodle now
[22:53] <valorie> 'twas, true
[22:53] <valorie> but my teeth are all nice and shiny-clean
[22:53] <valorie> etc.
[22:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: we should bring proper release notes back
[22:55] <valorie> timing couldn't be helped
[22:55] <ahoneybun> Riddell: ScottK valorie http://doodle.com/kg5ybsf3epbrvr9c
[22:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: did anyone read them?
[22:57] <ahoneybun> also sent it to the mailing list
[22:57] <Riddell> ahoneybun: send it to the e-mail list
[22:57]  * Riddell snoozes
[22:57] <apachelogger> nite
[22:58] <ahoneybun> nite
[22:58] <valorie> sweet dreams, Riddell
[22:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: I have read one german post that found it a bit sad that we don't provide a more comprehensive list of what changed
[22:58] <valorie> congratulations on an awesome release!
[22:58] <ahoneybun> yea!
[22:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: though I also didn't find the previous notes very useful and terrible to read to begin with
[23:00] <valorie> ahoneybun: done
[23:01] <ahoneybun> valorie: did the doodle I see
[23:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 1235633 also reports the upower issue so I reckon it's a bit more wide spread
[23:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: also I find it suspicious that the oldest report seems to have been not 2 weeks ago
[23:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, btw, that is the plan for muon are we going to land a final via SRU or what?
[23:12] <valorie> pffff, i'm setting up my torrents, and now I get connection refused
[23:12] <valorie> lubuntu sure does have lotsa choices
[23:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: The short release notes are just due to shadeslayer being lazy.
[23:14] <apachelogger> in other news: earth apparently is not flat
[23:14] <apachelogger> a feature overview is nice, but IMO a bit limited WRT what actually changed and how that affects an educated user etc.
[23:15] <ScottK> He did ask for comments.  I improved it some.
[23:19] <apachelogger> maybe it's me, but there is something seriously wrong with the updater experience
[23:20] <ScottK> It's not just you.
[23:20] <apachelogger> got a notification for updates, opened, updater came up said there are no updates, notification and trayicon went away now I don't know what to do
[23:20] <apachelogger> and really, what happend with JT?
[23:20] <ScottK> $dayjob, I think.
[23:21] <apachelogger> I was rather under the impression that he dayjobbed at blue systems
[23:22] <apachelogger> or maybe I am imagining things now
[23:22] <apachelogger> in any case I am way too sober for release day
[23:22] <valorie> for me the updater looked pretty much as it has always looked
[23:23] <apachelogger> it's bugged
[23:24] <apachelogger> oh that machine is a bit old
[23:26] <ScottK> The absolute lack of feedback when you ask to check for updates is awful.
[23:26] <apachelogger> now it crashed
[23:26] <apachelogger> oh my
[23:27] <apachelogger> to be perfectly honest I believe that stuff should be in discover
[23:29] <apachelogger> muon-notifier/release-checker has serious problems
[23:29] <apachelogger> 4 forks running
[23:29] <apachelogger> and apparently all 4 of them do the same thing
[23:30] <apachelogger> and they are started whenever you start muonanything so whenever something muon starts your system performance goes on vacation and the intartubes get all cogged up
[23:31] <apachelogger> time.sleep
[23:31] <apachelogger> :O
[23:31] <apachelogger> who wrote that
[23:31] <apachelogger> :@
[23:31] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} and sweet dreams, apachelogger
[23:32] <apachelogger> valorie: are you going to bed? because I was pasting actual code :P
[23:33] <apachelogger> can someone else please open ksysguard and filter for muon ... then start muon-discover and see if 4 python3 applications show up in ksysguard
[23:34] <valorie> lolol
[23:35] <valorie> no, not sleeping the in the middle of the sunny afternoon, no
[23:35] <apachelogger> afternoon was half a day ago :P
[23:36] <valorie> yes, that's exactly what happens here
[23:36] <valorie> 3 pythorns
[23:36] <apachelogger> buuug
[23:36] <valorie> oh, now they're gone
[23:36] <apachelogger> yeah they basically just check if a new distro release is preset
[23:37] <valorie> lots of kio_http though
[23:37] <valorie> 8 of them
[23:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: I just filed KDE bug 326169.
[23:37] <apachelogger> valorie: yeah, dunno what those are yet, may be changelog queries though
[23:37] <apachelogger> anyway, there should be one pyth0rn
[23:38] <valorie> now there is none
[23:38] <apachelogger> so that's a buggy bug
[23:38] <apachelogger> and there should not be a pyth0rn right after startup
[23:38] <apachelogger> although I'd argue that there should be none until the user enters an updaete context (i.e. starts muon-updater OR goes to the muon-discover installed-software-tab)
[23:47] <apachelogger> something is wrong with apt-xapian as well
[23:47] <apachelogger> it appears to be lingering for a while now
[23:47] <apachelogger> we really need more python software in kubuntu
[23:48] <apachelogger> it's so incredibly reliable
[23:50] <valorie> plus, it would make you happier
[23:50] <apachelogger> yes, a lot
[23:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think I'm done for now: KDE Bug 326169, KDE Bug 326171, KDE Bug 326174
[23:52] <ScottK> I don't think the updater's problems have anything to do with what it's implemented in.
[23:53] <apachelogger> teh updater is not implemented in python
[23:53] <apachelogger> apt-xapian is
[23:53] <apachelogger> that being said, updater does not simply hang :P
[23:55] <ScottK> Right.  apt-xapian could stand being burned to the ground and re-implemented from scratch.
[23:58] <valorie> dinner; bbl
[23:59] <apachelogger> yeah, I dunno apt-xapian-update is definitely stuck on something
[23:59]  * apachelogger cries