[00:10] <F41L> Heyo all... I just updated my box to 13.10b2, made sure to have everything 100% updated as I could get it, (and it was nearly a stock system without much extra packages installed), but now it hangs at a black screen with my KDE mouse cursor visible
[00:11] <F41L> My other box which had way more packages, and even PPAs, and updated just fine.
[00:11] <F41L> Is there a way I can revert, or repair/redo the upgrade to fix whatever went wrong?
[00:31] <apb> Daskreech: I did not
[00:32] <F41L> So anywho, yeah, is there a method to re-attempt the upgrade to fix anything that went wrong? I know it's a beta and all, I'm not adverse to reinstalling entirely, but I'd at least like to try at least a method or two to get it running again before I go to that annoying route :D
[00:44] <sithlord48> F41L: switch to a tty . try sudo apt-get -f install
[01:03] <F41L> sithloard, I think it might have something to do with my graphics drivers, is there a way I can set to use a particular graphics driver from the terminal?
[01:04] <F41L> Like for example, I have dual Radeon 7970s, I imagine the radeon driver is much better than the OSS driver
[01:05] <sithlord48> F41L:  if you have installed fglrx (catalyst) then it should autoload instead of the radeon(oss) driver
[01:05] <F41L> Not sure if I have it installed, having just run the 13.10b2 distro upgrade
[01:06] <apb> Using ubuntu 12.04... Getting an error: The server protocol version is 28, but at least version 33 is required. Install a newer version of the Akonadi server....   sudo apt-get install akonadi-server:  akonadi-server is already the newest version.
[01:06] <sithlord48> F41L:  if you run lsmod you will see all the modules loaded on your system
[01:06] <sithlord48> apb: what version of kde do you have?
[01:07] <apb> sithlord48: Platform Version 4.11.2
[01:08] <sithlord48> Apb your not goinng to get much newer.. whats giving the error?
[01:09] <apb> anything and everything that uses akonadi server... kjots, korganizer...
[01:10] <apb> Here's the selftest output: http://pastebin.com/emuWBeZL
[01:11] <sithlord48> apb:  seams like its working.
[01:12] <apb> sithlord48: what makes you say that?
[01:12] <sithlord48> apb:  do you have the kubuntu ppa installed backports or did u manually install kde?
[01:13] <apb> sithlord48: Not sure...
[01:13] <sithlord48> apb:  did u add a ppa?
[01:14] <apb> I've added several... I don't remember for kubuntu
[01:14] <apb> how can I check?
[01:14] <apb> I'm weak on package managers
[01:14] <sithlord48> software sources in your package manager
[01:14] <apb> more specifically?
[01:14] <sithlord48> tools software sources in your package manager
[01:15] <apb> I've used both apt-get and software center
[01:16] <sithlord48> apb this ppa . https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[01:16] <apb> mostly I copied & pasted whatever the webpage or person told me to do at the time... or clicked when I had popups...
[01:17] <sithlord48> when you look in software sources look for that ppa . that has newest kde
[01:20] <apb> in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/kubuntu-ppa-backports-precise.list I see: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu precise main
[01:22] <apb> If that's not what you're asking then I need you to be more precise... again, I'm weak on package managers.
[01:23] <apb> I could add that ppa... I  presume it won't hurt anything if it's already there ....... somewhere.
[01:23] <sithlord48> apb:  if you need newer version thats it
[01:24] <sithlord48> apb: if thats not it im not sure what else i don't use akoandi or nepomuk on my systems.
[01:24] <apb> what do you use?
[01:25] <apb> for the record, #akonadi said "akonadi-server package isn't the right one"... which isn't all too helpful - to me at least.
[01:25] <sithlord48> i dont use any desktop search
[01:25] <apb> it's not search... it's an organizer, notes, calendar... a PIM essentially
[01:26] <sithlord48> i don't use that either
[01:26] <apb> ok
[01:28] <apb> so you're saying I should do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[01:31] <apb> Cannot access PPA (https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~https/+archive/ppa)
[01:35] <sithlord48> apb:  that link is to its info page.
[01:38] <apb> Object: <Person at 0x2b8a3c906990 https (Hartmut J\xfcrgens)>, name: u'+archive'  is all that's there.
[01:46] <sithlord48> apb: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[02:23] <ATC243750496> hi
[02:24] <ATC243750496> what's the pacage manager kubuntu useing?
[02:24] <ATC243750496> the name
[02:27] <Addle> Muon
[02:27] <Addle> By default, anyways. I tend to use synaptic.
[02:29] <ATC243750496> the window show up when double click deb file
[02:29] <ATC243750496> that manager is?
[02:32] <ATC243750496> did someone used fedora before?
[02:34] <Addle> ATC243750496: Oh, that one is probably gdebi.
[02:37] <ATC243750496> did some one used fedora before???
[02:37] <ATC243750496> i found a dpkg and apt and also synaptic
[02:38] <ATC243750496> so i want to know whether there is a way to install the deb
[02:38] <ATC243750496> i just type dpkg -i XX.deb
[02:38] <ATC243750496> and show some depends not install
[02:40] <Addle> ATC243750496: Yep, when you install manually with dpkg, it won't install dependencies. If you can add a repository for the file and install that way, it'll be able to handle the dependencies.
[02:40] <Addle> ATC243750496: Mind you, you can find them and install them with synaptic, muon or other package manager, then install the .deb with dpkg.
[02:41] <ATC243750496> wait there is a error i wil show you later
[02:41] <Addle> ATC243750496: And there's always: sudo apt-get install SOMEPACKAGENAMEGOESHERE
[02:41] <Addle> ATC243750496: That's for installing out of your configured repositories from the command line.
[02:42] <ATC243750496> i found the apt in fedora is rpm edition
[02:42] <ATC243750496> not the deb one
[02:43] <ATC243750496> the address only can begin with rpm not deb
[02:43] <ATC243750496> so where to find deb one?
[02:43] <Addle> ATC243750496: Oh, you can certainly run into issues trying to install an RPM. Generally a bad idea.
[02:43] <Addle> ATC243750496: Well, that depends, what package? :)
[02:44] <ATC243750496> splashtop
[02:44] <ATC243750496> only having deb pacage
[02:44] <ATC243750496> so i want to install it on fedora
[02:45] <ATC243750496> but there is a serious depends problem for me
[02:46] <ATC243750496> libcelt0.so.0()(64bit) is splashtop-streamer-2.2.5.0-2.x86_64 needed
[02:46] <ATC243750496>         libcrypto.so.1.0.0()(64bit) is splashtop-streamer-2.2.5.0-2.x86_64 needed
[02:46] <ATC243750496>         libcrypto.so.1.0.0(OPENSSL_1.0.0)(64bit) is splashtop-streamer-2.2.5.0-2.x86_64 needed
[02:46] <ATC243750496>         libssl.so.1.0.0()(64bit) is splashtop-streamer-2.2.5.0-2.x86_64 needed
[02:46] <ATC243750496>         libssl.so.1.0.0(OPENSSL_1.0.0)(64bit) is splashtop-streamer-2.2.5.0-2.x86_64 needed
[02:46] <FloodBotK1> ATC243750496: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:47] <ATC243750496> so the function is need
[02:47] <ATC243750496> it's the first i see
[02:47] <ATC243750496> so i have no idea
[02:47] <ATC243750496> can you give me some suggestions?
[02:48] <Addle> ATC243750496: Looks like it's on the Ubuntu App Store as splashtop-streamer
[02:49] <ATC243750496> yes but in the web site has deb file provide i want to install it on fedora
[02:49] <ATC243750496> i used alien
[02:49] <ATC243750496> and install some depends from yum
[02:49] <ATC243750496> solved some but there are still some
[02:50] <ATC243750496> witch is funtion needs
[02:50] <Addle> ATC243750496: Alien has rarely worked for me. Nor do I know enough about Fedora to really help.
[02:50] <Addle> ATC243750496: Might try a fedora IRC channel.
[02:50] <ATC243750496> i hope you can tell me how to slove the function is needed problem
[02:52] <ATC243750496> or what's the irc of alien
[02:52] <ATC243750496> #alien?
[02:53] <Addle> ATC243750496: Doubtful. That's not really a Kubuntu issue. I don't know what packages Fedora has.
[02:53] <ATC243750496> you can tell me what ubuntu pacage and i will find the fedora
[02:54] <Addle> ATC243750496: Well, I usually stick to adding repositories rather than installing .debs directly because of dependencies. But off hand, I think you need openssl.
[02:55] <Addle> ATC243750496: That should bring in the crypto libraries it needs, also. I'm sort of guessing, though.
[04:11] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: What did you end up doing?
[04:12] <apb> Hello.  Using ubuntu 12.04... Getting an error: The server protocol version is 28, but at least version 33 is required. Install a newer version of the Akonadi server....   sudo apt-get install akonadi-server:  akonadi-server is already the newest version.
[04:13] <SonikkuAmerica> apb: This is Kubuntu support, do you mean Kubuntu?
[04:13] <apb> that too
[04:14] <SonikkuAmerica> apb: What command are you running that returns that error?
[04:15] <apb> anything that uses akonadi, such as kjots and korganizer
[04:15] <SonikkuAmerica> apb: Have you [ sudo apt-get dist-upgraade ]'d?
[04:15] <SonikkuAmerica> *upgrade
[04:16] <apb> no, that's one thing I have not done... and I think maybe I would prefer not to do that... seems drastic
[04:16] <SonikkuAmerica> apb: All it does is bring the release up to date.
[04:16] <SonikkuAmerica> !dist-upgrade
[04:16] <apb> hmm
[04:17] <ATC243750496> i am still having  trouble
[04:17] <apb> can't I limit it to just akonadi-server somehow?
[04:17] <SonikkuAmerica> apb: I always recommend a dist-upgrade, especially after a fresh install.
[04:17] <SonikkuAmerica> apb: apt-get install is about the best you can do...
[04:17] <ATC243750496> and have no idea so i stoped talking
[04:18] <SonikkuAmerica> apb: Head for muon-updater (Muon Update Manager) and make sure everything is up to date.
[04:20] <Daskreech> hi apb
[04:21] <apb> daskreech hello
[04:21] <Daskreech> apb: can you pastebin apt-cache policy akonadi-server ?
[04:22] <apb> I certainly can
[04:22] <apb> a moment please
[04:22] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: where are you in the problem?
[04:23] <ATC243750496> still getting the same problem
[04:23] <ATC243750496> 'have you used fedora before?
[04:24] <ATC243750496> http://www.pastebin.ca/2464569
[04:24] <apb> daskreeech http://paste.ubuntu.com/6249239/
[04:24] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: Yes I have
[04:24] <ATC243750496> http://www.pastebin.ca/2464569
[04:25] <ATC243750496> here
[04:25] <ATC243750496> the error
[04:26] <ATC243750496> i am not sure how to slove
[04:26] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: try installing libssl-dev
[04:26] <Daskreech> apb: You are on Precise ?
[04:27] <apb> Daskreech: Yes... 12.04
[04:28] <Daskreech> apb: what do you get when you run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[04:28] <apb> it does things :)
[04:29] <ATC243750496> http://www.pastebin.ca/index.php
[04:29] <ATC243750496> the name *ssl*
[04:29] <apb> I take that back... I don't think I've done an upgrade before
[04:29] <apb> so yeah.. it's upgrading now
[04:30] <Daskreech> apb: when it's done logout of KDE and log back in and let me know if they still complain
[04:30] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: Hmm ?
[04:30] <ATC243750496> no depends named libssl-devel
[04:31] <apb> Daskreech:  This is what it's upgrading: http://pastebin.com/AqRjbE8Z
[04:32] <Daskreech> apb: That probably won't fix anything :) but let's get up to some common date and then see what's happeneing
[04:32] <Daskreech> happening
[04:32] <apb> I hate to logout if there's not a definite reason... too many windows open I'd rather not close if I don't have to.
[04:32] <apb> So it did the upgrade... still want me to logout?
[04:32] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: Yes but it needs a particular file and that file near as I can guess is in libssl-dev
[04:33] <Daskreech> apb: What windows?
[04:33] <th3t0ll5t3r> .
[04:33] <apb> just things I'm in the middle of
[04:33] <apb> although yeah... kjots & korganizer... those I can quit
[04:34] <Daskreech> do that then
[04:34] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: what's the deal with fedora ?
[04:35] <apb> same errors
[04:35] <Daskreech> apb: apt-cache policy korganizer
[04:35] <apb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6249286/
[04:36] <Daskreech> apb: I take it you restarted the Akonadi server ?
[04:37] <apb> I think it's supposed to do that automagically... so no, not manually
[04:37] <Daskreech> apb: it certainly does not
[04:37] <Daskreech> :-o
[04:37] <Daskreech> Servers starting and stopping by themselves?! What madness that way lies
[04:38] <apb> then that's prolly the problem... how do I restart other than killall? :) service akonadi-server restart ?
[04:38] <Daskreech> hmm that might work
[04:38] <Daskreech> :)
[04:38] <Daskreech>  never tried that
[04:38] <apb> nope
[04:38] <apb> no such service
[04:38] <Daskreech> I normally do akonadictl shutdown
[04:39] <Daskreech> or you could do it the GUI way
[04:39] <apb> I can go with either... what's the gui way?
[04:39] <apb> I'm more of a command line guy but.. trying to go with the flow :)
[04:39] <Daskreech> alt+F2 -> akonadi -> choose Akonadi configuration -> Enter
[04:39] <Daskreech> Gui pops up with pretty pictures :)
[04:40] <Daskreech> Choose tab  "Server configuration" -> Click restart at the bottom
[04:40] <apb> hmm... was looking for something like that earlier...  but... no that gives me a process list essentially
[04:40] <Daskreech> If you are of the paranoid type watch the processes shutdown and restart then click the test button to see if it is up and the data accessible
[04:41] <Daskreech> apb: On the Tab marked Akonadi Server configuration ?
[04:42] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: You converted a package to be used on Ubuntu ?
[04:42] <apb> no... alt-f2 gives me small window with a wrench and a graph on it...  the wrench gives me access to Plugins and User Interface... the Graph is a process list when clicked.
[04:42] <ATC243750496> yes using alien
[04:42] <Daskreech> apb: lol sorry. Type the words akonadi
[04:42] <Daskreech> It's a floating cli
[04:43] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: Where did yo uget the package from?
[04:43] <ATC243750496> i installed all named *ssl* pacage
[04:43] <ATC243750496> but still the same error
[04:43] <ATC243750496> the software's official website
[04:44] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: yeah it just clicked. Fedora is quite a bit different from debian and redhat so any mid to high level complex package is likely to not work without serious sandboxing
[04:44] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: and you didn't just get the Ubuntu one because ... ?
[04:44] <Daskreech> http://www.splashtop.com/linux
[04:44] <ATC243750496> http://www.splashtop.com/linux#download
[04:45] <apb> Without a connection to the server it is not possible to check if the protocol version meets the requirements.
[04:45] <Daskreech> It says Ubuntu for me there
[04:45] <ATC243750496> i am using fedora
[04:45] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: Oh I see. We are going the other way :)
[04:45] <ATC243750496> now and it dont support
[04:45] <ATC243750496> fedora
[04:46] <Daskreech> That's a bit more of an issue. In that case #fedora will likely be a better channel but I would suggest making a jail for the application
[04:46] <ATC243750496> so i want's to install it for fedora
[04:46] <Daskreech> You may have to unpack the package and make a chroot for it
[04:46] <ATC243750496> so tryied alien -i *.deb
[04:46] <Addle> ATC243750496: From what I can tell, that lib is supposed to be in openssl-libs, but I agree with Daskreech, you might have better luck in the fedora channel.
[04:47] <Daskreech> which isn't that difficult but it takes some work to set up
[04:47] <Daskreech> Addle: On Fedora ?
[04:47] <Addle> Daskreech: Yep
[04:47] <Daskreech> let me look. (I'm on fedora)
[04:48] <ATC243750496> i have installed that
[04:48] <ATC243750496> it's no use
[04:48] <Addle> ATC243750496: Just in case, since I think you said you installed openssl package, maybe try: sudo ldconfig -v
[04:49] <Addle> ATC243750496: That should update the library cache. Should be done already when you install the package, though.
[04:49] <ATC243750496> no use
[04:50] <ATC243750496> but before i asked here
[04:50] <ATC243750496> there are 6
[04:50] <ATC243750496> error
[04:50] <Daskreech> Addle: Well depends on that package. If it's statically linked then it's going to have a crappy time finding it/
[04:50] <apb> Daskreech: Without a connection to the server it is not possible to check if the protocol version meets the requirements.  ....... so at least that's a change.... not sure it's for the better, but at least we know there was some kind of effect... of course since I never restarted the server on any other update we don't know at what point the change was effected.
[04:50] <ATC243750496> i installed some depends
[04:50] <Addle> Daskreech: True :)
[04:50] <ATC243750496> and sloved oen
[04:50] <ATC243750496> one
[04:50] <Daskreech> And most closed source programs do that.
[04:50] <Daskreech> apb: is akonadi running? Did you hit the test button?
[04:51] <ATC243750496> but i dont know why the depends install this time no use
[04:51] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: crypto is interesting
[04:51] <ATC243750496> before install there's 5 and after install 5
[04:51] <apb> Daskreech: I hit the test button... that was one of the errors.. it also says it's not running as root.
[04:52] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: I'd check in Fedora. You may have to make a chroot jail for the program install apt-get there and then grab your depends as debs and then link the executable into your path
[04:53] <Daskreech> once you have it setup it should work and you can just <chroot $MYSPLASHSERVER && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade> to keep it up
[04:53]  * Daskreech raises an eyebrow at apb
[04:53] <Daskreech> It shoudln't want to be root at all
[04:53] <Daskreech> apb: try akonadictl shutdown && sleep 6 && akonadictl
[04:54] <ATC243750496> Daskreech
[04:54] <ATC243750496> You may have to make a chroot jail for the program install apt-get there
[04:54] <ATC243750496> what's this mean?
[04:54] <ATC243750496> i know there's apt-get in fedora
[04:55] <ATC243750496> but it's apt-rpm
[04:55] <ATC243750496> not apt-deb
[04:55] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: All UNIX programs are floating in an environment. They use other programs to get things done and look around in specified places for functionality
[04:55] <Daskreech> The main differences in distros is how they introduce new functionality and where they put thigns for programs to look for them
[04:56] <ATC243750496> so you want to create a deb enviroment?
[04:56] <Daskreech> Of course Fedora and Debian/Ubuntu do somethings differently
[04:56] <Daskreech> RIght so you make a jail for the program
[04:56] <Daskreech>  It has it's own environement. Nothing that it wants that is exotic is going to bother anyone else and it can only see what you introduce into the jail
[04:57] <Daskreech> Essentially it has it's own root structure (chroot means change root level) so it feels comfortable
[04:57] <ATC243750496> but the things is that i used alien
[04:58] <ATC243750496> it should compiled the depends
[04:58] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: That's fine that's easily fixable if a CHroot is the solution just pull your alien out of the system
[04:58] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: Not if it's staticlinks which a lot of closed source programs use.
[04:59] <Daskreech> It's why distros are famously hostile to closed source packages. They are difficult to work with once they start making assumptions that cannot be changed
[04:59] <Daskreech> You can give it instructions all you like but the thing about static things is they don't like change :)
[05:01] <Daskreech> It may be that you can just symlink a libcrypto file (or 5) and it will work
[05:01] <Daskreech> essentially making a copy of an existing file with a new name and location so that the static links are happy.
[05:01] <Daskreech> If that's the case Great!
[05:02] <Daskreech> If not then you can go a bit further with a chroot jail which should work regardless of what else is going on
[05:02] <ATC243750496> where to link?
[05:02] <Daskreech> but I'd ask in #Fedora we are really not qualified here to speak about the state of the fedora distro
[05:02] <ATC243750496> where to link to
[05:03] <ATC243750496> it's useful
[05:03] <apb> Daskreech: That seemed to work  in the sense that korganizer now comes up without complaint... however the same issues still exist when I go through the Alt-F2 scenario.
[05:03] <Daskreech> if you let them know the name of the files that the 5 errors are looking for they maybe able to tell you where t link and what to name it
[05:03] <ATC243750496> i have tried
[05:03] <ATC243750496> but have you noticed
[05:03] <Daskreech> apb: waht abotu kjots ?
[05:04] <Daskreech> apb: what's akonadictl --version say ?
[05:04] <ATC243750496> libssl.so.1.0.0()(64bit) is splashtop-streamer-2.2.5.0-2.x86_64 needed        libssl.so.1.0.0(OPENSSL_1.0.0)(64bit) is splashtop-streamer-2.2.5.0-2.x86_64 needed
[05:04] <apb> kjots also comes up without complaint
[05:04] <ATC243750496> this seems two library
[05:05] <apb> daskreech Akonadi 1.10.1
[05:05] <ATC243750496> but i can only link one file with the same nbame
[05:05] <ATC243750496> name
[05:06] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: yes but it's looking for that in a debian context. I know that Fedora has Openssl but it likely had the libraries either named differently (libssl.so1.0.0 for instance) or it keeps them somewhere that isn't looking for.
[05:06] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: btw have you tried installing with a --no-depends ?
[05:06] <Addle> Daskreech: Hm, is it me, or is it linking to a very specific version of libssl? so.1.0.0 rather than just so.1.
[05:07] <Addle> Daskreech: I'm thinking he probably has something slightly more recent, like 1.0.2 or something.
[05:07] <ATC243750496> what?rpm -ivh *.rpm --no-depends?
[05:07] <Daskreech> Addle: It is but it also just occured to me that he (assuming that ATC243750496 is a he) is not running it. Just trying to install the package
[05:07] <Addle> Daskreech: Ugh.
[05:07] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: rpm -ivh *.rpm --nodeps
[05:08] <Daskreech> Addle: and even so once there is a symlink with the right name it will be fine
[05:09] <Addle> Daskreech: Agreed, yay for symlinks :)
[05:09] <ATC243750496> SRFeature: /lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: version `OPENSSL_1.0.0' not found (required by SRFeature)
[05:09] <ATC243750496> SRFeature: /lib64/libssl.so.1.0.0: version `OPENSSL_1.0.0' not found (required by SRFeature)
[05:09] <ATC243750496> this time i should link ?
[05:10] <ATC243750496> but after i linked the other two will show
[05:10] <ATC243750496> i will try it to show you the error
[05:10] <ATC243750496> i  have done what you said before
[05:13] <Daskreech> ok
[05:16] <ATC243750496> Daskreech
[05:16] <ATC243750496> i remembered
[05:16] <ATC243750496> before you link
[05:16] <ATC243750496> there 's not openssl one
[05:17] <ATC243750496> and after linked
[05:17] <ATC243750496> the openssl one will shown
[05:17] <ATC243750496> and the none-openssl one will gone
[05:17] <ATC243750496> so now the problem is how to slove the openssl one
[05:18] <ATC243750496> as i said if having to edition of libcrypto
[05:18] <ATC243750496> how can i link it with the same name?
[05:19] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: Again it's much better to ask in #fedora or #fedora-kde about that
[05:19] <ATC243750496> i have asked in
[05:20] <ATC243750496> when they heard i translate from deb using alien
[05:20] <ATC243750496> they ignored me
[05:20] <ATC243750496> and didnt tell me how to slove the problem
[05:28] <apb> Daskreech: Thank you for your help
[05:38] <Daskreech> apb: Sure
[05:39] <Daskreech> ATC243750496: :_( Ask in #fedora-kde perhaps? Slightly nicer channel
[05:39] <Daskreech> Slightly >_>
[05:39] <vortex_ape> Hello! I have windows in installed in one partition and kubuntu in the other, I want to completely remove both and install kubuntuin the primary partition, what steps should I follow?
[05:50] <Roey> Riddell:  hey Jonathan, you've been identified as the "spider at the center of the web" of packaging and testing:   http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1ned6x/what_to_expect_for_kubuntu_1310/cci33vc
[05:50] <Roey> heh
[05:55] <Weasel[DK]> So, are we getting to Kubuntu 13.10 today... ?
[05:58] <goodtime> idk why did you here about 13.10? Weasel[DK]
[05:58] <goodtime> let me see here
[05:59] <Addle> It's certainly scheduled for release, today.
[06:03] <Weasel[DK]> Well, sometimes schedules change... im in for a haddrive replacement today, so it would be nice to tkat a fresh Kubuntu for a spin at the same time...
[06:12] <Daskreech> Weasel[DK]: Sure it is
[06:13] <Weasel[DK]> Fantastic... :)
[06:28] <rich_> www.comcast.net
[06:31] <ATC243750496> still no result
[06:33] <ATC243750496> libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory after linked to /usr/lib64/libssl.so.1.0.1e
[06:33] <ATC243750496> it become SRFeature: /lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: version `OPENSSL_1.0.0' not found
[06:34] <ATC243750496> could somebody help me????
[06:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:39] <BRKsays> I can't boot Kubuntu 12.04.3
[08:10] <wissam> Hi ,what time kubuntu 13.10 will be released ?
[08:12] <jussi> wissam: no one knows. feel free to join #ubuntu-release-party for the party though
[08:13] <wissam> jussi: ok thnx
[09:37] <Nachtfalter> Hello! Sorry for interrupting you but I'm searching for help for the authorization of my kobo touch at adobe digital editions for ages! kobo seems to be mounted in the right way, ade runs with wine, computer is already authorized, but stops at the authorization of the ereader. do you have any idea how to run the kobo touch on ade?
[09:48] <Guest79161> Van itt a csatornán Magyar ember, aki tudna segíteni wifi ügyben?
[09:50] <omigasun> Hi all, I had a problem with kubuntu, I can't connect to internet via USB Modem in Kubuntu, but it works Flawlessly on another distro, How to solve it?
[09:52] <Guest79161> Let no one answered anyway :(((
[09:52] <omigasun> maybe everybody is away
[09:53] <Guest79161> Wake up!!! :)
[09:53] <Nachtfalter> good evening! :)
[09:53] <Nachtfalter> don't know how to answer you question, but you might know something abaout ade for ebook readers?
[10:50] <excognac> hi why is that nearly impossible to print porperly with kubuntu12.04? I tried to download and install drivers to several different printers however it always fails.
[10:51] <excognac> how the remove all this mess and make it simple as it should be?
[10:52] <yossarianuk> excognac: thanks not my experience with it...
[10:53] <yossarianuk> Although I would recommend hetting latest version when out today.
[10:53] <yossarianuk> Or at least using the PPA to get the latest stable KDe.
[10:53] <yossarianuk> not running the latest KDE your missing out.. - Each KDE release is just that bit better than previous.
[10:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:03] <excognac> how do i set to download the latest stable kde from ppa?
[11:05] <BluesKaj> excognac. , today is the official release for 13.10 ,but it's not officially available yet
[11:06] <BluesKaj> no need for a ppa
[11:07] <micmord> excognac: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/saucy/release/
[11:07] <micmord> now
[11:09] <excognac> micmord: thanks, but i just wanna upgrade my kde (it's currently 4.8.5) to 4.11 is that possible without upgrading the distro itself?
[11:09] <baxeico> hi guys, I'm on Kubuntu 12.04 with backports ppa installed
[11:10] <baxeico> excognac: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[11:10] <BluesKaj> rxz make sure nyou have the backports enabled in the pacjage manager si=ources , or /etc/apt/sources.list to get kde 4.11
[11:11] <BluesKaj> excognac.^
[11:11]  * BluesKaj turns on more light
[11:12] <baxeico> yesterday I made an update and google chrome was uninstalled
[11:12] <baxeico> it was installed from http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
[11:13] <baxeico> if I try to reinstall I see this message
[11:13] <baxeico> http://pastebin.com/MTr4Rj63
[11:14] <baxeico> (I'm using aptitude) and I cannot install it
[11:14] <BluesKaj> !aptitude
[11:17] <excognac> thanks all. now many packages upgraded from ppa and many are kept back
[11:19] <BluesKaj> excognac. run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, to install the packages the kde that are kept back , which will also install the new kde desktop version
[11:19] <excognac> BluesKaj: kk, thanks
[11:20] <BluesKaj> for new  kde versions , always run dist-upgrade if the backports are enabled
[11:21] <baxeico> BluesKaj: seems my problem is not aptitude, but bad Chrome packaging https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=304017
[11:21] <baxeico> so not a kubuntu issue
[11:21] <baxeico> sorry for raising the issue here
[11:21] <baxeico> thank you for your help
[11:22] <BluesKaj> right baxeico , remove that chromium repos from your sources.list then update
[11:45] <cadam> Hi, do the kubuntu bugs go on ubuntu launchpad?
[11:46] <cadam> I'm behind a proxy and the installation of flashplugin doesn't work :(
[11:46] <cadam> the python scripts start downloading something but give up easily
[11:46] <cadam> with wget I can download the flashplugin.tar.gz file
[11:47] <Unit193> adobe-flashplugin from the partner repo isn't a downloader script.
[11:47] <Unit193> !info adobe-flashplugin partner
[11:47] <BluesKaj> cadam. it should be installed by default with kubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:47] <cadam> Unit193: thanks.
[11:48] <cadam> BluesKaj: well, it seems I don't have it by default. Rekonq pops up a dialog saying that I should install flash, I do that... it remains blocked at 15%. Then I've used ps to see what it actually does, this is how I've found out about flashplugin-installer
[11:49] <BluesKaj> cadam. you have to install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:51] <BluesKaj> restricted also brings along several codecs etc
[11:51] <cadam> BluesKaj: I was looking at http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/kubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:52] <cadam> I will give it a try, thanks.
[11:52] <cadam> the error code from apt-get install flashplugin-installer http://pastebin.com/Dg3ZEfMY
[11:53] <cadam> I see that it also installs ttf-mscorefonts-installer, which is broken for Romanian
[11:53] <cadam> I'll have to uninstall it later.
[11:54] <BluesKaj> cadam. kubuntu-restricted-extras package will pull in support for MP3 playback and decoding, Flash plugin, DVD playback, and LAME (to create compressed audio files).
[11:55] <cadam> BluesKaj: kubuntu-restricted-extras is a meta package, which means that at some point it does apt-get install adobeplugin-installer... which fails in the same way
[11:55] <Unit193> (To be clear, not DVD playback that uses CSS "encryption")
[11:56] <BluesKaj> cadam. which kubuntu version?
[11:56] <cadam> BluesKaj: 13.04
[11:57] <cadam> BluesKaj: here is the trace of apt-get install kubunturestricted-extras http://pastebin.com/xP0FFKLE
[11:58] <cadam> 13.04 amd64
[11:59] <BluesKaj> yeah Unit193 libdvdcss can be found at http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
[11:59] <cadam> BluesKaj: wget has also some difficulty while downloading the tar.gz file, but somehow it recovers, as you can see http://pastebin.com/ttKiMdLV
[12:00] <cadam> BluesKaj: the ubuntu python installation scripts do not have the same "smarts" as wget
[12:03] <Unit193> I'm fully aware.
[12:04] <Unit193> BluesKaj: That is to say, I already knew that.
[12:06] <cadam> I wanted to report this bug to ubuntu, but all I get is this damn page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[12:07] <BluesKaj> cadam. I don't see any errors with installation , the implementation of flash in the browser is probly the problem since you're going thru a proxy that throttling bandwidth , to check try some ,flv files if you have any stored on your pc
[12:08] <cadam> BluesKaj: the flashplugin-installer can't download the package
[12:09] <cadam> BluesKaj: I'll download it later without the proxy. I find it unfortunate that I can't easily report a bug to Ubuntu.
[12:11] <BluesKaj> cadam. https://bugs.kde.org/
[12:11] <BluesKaj> BBL
[12:11] <cadam> Those are kde bugs, they'll close it as invalid :)
[12:27] <chachan> guys, is it normal that akregator does not render youtube objects correctly?. I see a black square
[12:30] <BluesKaj> , have you tried launchpad , cadam ?
[12:31] <cadam> BluesKaj: yes, I have an account, but when I click on report a bug... I get redirected to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[12:33] <BluesKaj> cadam.https://launchpad.net/bugs
[12:33] <BluesKaj> oops
[12:33] <BluesKaj>  https://launchpad.net/bugs , cadam
[12:36] <chachan> isn't the release of 13.10 today?
[12:37] <chachan> I installed a widget on my phone that said so. Now says 182 days to 14.04 -.-
[12:37] <BluesKaj> yes, chachan , sometime today , monitor this site for the official release , https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[12:38] <cadam> BluesKaj: thanks, I think I've got it now.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> cadam. vpns are less restrictive thn proxies , even if you pay 7bucks /mos it's much less annoying
[12:47] <chachan> BluesKaj, got it
[12:48] <cadam> BluesKaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/adobe-flash-plugin-tools/+bug/1240961
[12:50] <BluesKaj> cadam. so you have the flashinstaller tar.g?z file in your ~/ dir
[12:50] <BluesKaj> ?
[12:50] <cadam> BluesKaj: yes
[12:53] <BluesKaj> ok ,then we can install it , if you use extract here , then find the libflashplayer.so file and copy it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins with root permissions , cadam
[12:55] <BluesKaj> it might be in ~/Downloads
[12:57] <cadam> BluesKaj: works. Thanks.
[12:57] <cadam> Hopefully somebody will pick up the bug report and make the downloader more robust.
[12:58] <BluesKaj> cadam. well poxies also present problems for DLs
[12:58] <BluesKaj> proxies that is :)
[13:09] <excognac> hi thanks again for helping with ppa kde stuff. I have anouther tiny issue with kmail: it would't top sending me an error report that I was unable to create a folder (later it was resolved) how to stop that?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> excognac. is kmail stable on your setup otherwise ?
[13:10] <excognac> BluesKaj:  looks like yeah.
[13:10] <excognac> telepathy has issues but kmail works fine
[13:11] <BluesKaj> i don't use either of them
[13:14] <karthik> how to find which version of ubuntu m using
[13:16] <chachan> karthik, lsb_release -a
[13:25] <Weasel[DK]> ubuntu is out... now we want kubuntu as well.....
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Weasel[DK]. not yet , https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[13:27] <Weasel[DK]> BluesKaj: sure it is check #ubuntu-release-party
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Somebody change topic here?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> release party , bah what do they know :)
[13:28] <Weasel[DK]> The Ubuntu team is very pleased to announce the release of Ubuntu 13.10
[13:28] <Weasel[DK]> for Desktop, Server, Cloud, Phone, and Core products.
[13:28] <BluesKaj> ok , it fianlly showed uo in the url i posted
[13:28] <BluesKaj> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[13:30] <chachan> :D
[13:32] <chachan> earlier, I said: "today has to be the more productive day of this month", but now... I don't know
[13:32] <chachan> there's a broken link on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10
[13:35] <BluesKaj> it's a fait-accompli here , been upgrading / distup-grade etc for weeks now on 131.0 , and it's the full install from what i can see, nothing else available in the repos
[13:48] <Riddell> ** 13.10 is out! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10
[13:49]  * genii dances a little Happy Dance
[13:55] <excognac> gj''
[14:06] <hackndoes_> Hi guys.... when should 13.10 become available for upgrade?
[14:06] <hackndoes_> I mean, I am aware that sometime today but any estimation?
[14:15] <Weasel[DK]> \o/
[14:16] <BluesKaj> hackndoes_. it's been released
[14:17] <hackndoes_> really I still don't see the update yet. is there a command to check if this upgrade is available without installing it
[14:19] <genii> hackndoes_: You could try: sudo do-release-upgrade       and see if it wants to go 13.04->13.10 and then just cancel if it does
[14:19] <hackndoes_> OK cool I will see that
[14:19] <FlameReaper-PC> Kubuntu's out now?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> hackndoes_. yes , sudo do-release-upgrade , then just say no , but you'll see one is available
[14:19] <FlameReaper-PC> Haha
[14:21] <hackndoes_> BluesKaj: it has no cancel.....
[14:21] <hackndoes_> BluesKaj: I am getting this: Updating repository information
[14:21] <hackndoes_> Third party sources disabled
[14:21] <hackndoes_> Some third party entries in your sources.list were disabled. You can
[14:21] <hackndoes_> re-enable them after the upgrade with the 'software-properties' tool
[14:21] <hackndoes_> or your package manager.
[14:21] <hackndoes_> To continue please press [ENTER]
[14:21] <FloodBotK1> hackndoes_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:22] <BluesKaj> hackndoes_. then just close the terminal
[14:22] <hackndoes_> and it already made some changes so I am not sure Ctrl=D it will work....
[14:23] <BluesKaj> wel let it go if you want to upgrade anyway and not break anything , 13.10 is very stable ...been using it for months now
[14:23] <BluesKaj> hackndoes_.^
[14:24] <hackndoes_> but I didn't do all the previously required upates etc.
[14:25] <genii> hackndoes_: You can just ctrl-c
[14:25] <hackndoes_> BluesKaj: with all the dist upgrade
[14:25] <hackndoes_> genii: but it says it disabled stuff in my sources and things
[14:25] <hackndoes_> it won't break my upgrade later?
[14:25] <hackndoes_> what do I push to make the upgrade available via muon?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> no
[14:26] <genii> hackndoes_: No, it didn't disable stock repositories, just whatever outside PPAs you may have. It backs them up in /etc/sources.list.d/
[14:27] <hackndoes_> genii: OK thanks. so how  do I actively start upgrade with muon?
[14:29] <hackndoes_> Can someone explain how to trigger the upgrade from UI? muon?
[14:29] <genii> hackndoes_: System...Muon Update Manager ... should see that a new release is available
[14:30] <hackndoes_> genii: it didn't. and after I run the do-release now all my update sources are of saucy
[14:30] <bootkiller> hackndoes_, do a "sudo apt-get update" and you should receive an update notification
[14:30] <lordievader> Yayy for the release of Saucy Salamander :)
[14:31] <bootkiller> *I meant upgrade
[14:32] <bootkiller> notification, not the command
[14:32] <genii> hackndoes_: sudo sed -i 's/saucy/raring/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:33] <BluesKaj> hackndoes_. kmenu>apps>system>Update manager
[14:33] <PimpSmurf_> Installing 13.10 final on a yoga 2 pro: It detects an Intel Corporation Wireless-N 7260 however it does not work. It does not list any wireless networks. Any idea what I can do to test/
[14:34] <genii> hackndoes_: That will revert your sources.list back to the raring ones. Then you can do the sudo apt-get update as described and it should see a new release
[14:35] <hackndoes_> genii: testing it thanks.
[14:36] <hackndoes_> genii: it seems the sed worked
[14:36] <hackndoes_> I am updating back with raring
[14:36] <hackndoes_> than I will try to update
[14:42] <hackndoes_> genii: so apt-get update doesn't pop the update in update-manager
[14:42] <hackndoes_> bummer
[14:46] <genii> hackndoes_: You may have some other thing, like whatever is in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades   ( should be: Prompt=normal )
[14:46] <genii> Apologies on lag, work is pretty busy
[14:47] <PimpSmurf-school> I don't know what you mean by hardware info. It is an intel 7260
[14:48] <PimpSmurf-school> revision 0x144
[14:48] <PimpSmurf-school> At least that is what it is detected as. I believe it is one of the new ac models
[14:49] <PimpSmurf-school> but at this point I'm having trouble getting the boot-repaired after install. No matter my install options, it doesn't write a legit grub setup
[14:50] <PimpSmurf-school> How should I partition/format the USB before using unetbootin to copy the iso files over?
[14:51] <genii> PimpSmurf-school: fat32
[14:52] <PimpSmurf-school> TY
[14:52] <PimpSmurf-school> mkfs.vfat afterwards? Do I need to set it bootable or let unetbootin do the work?
[14:53] <genii> PimpSmurf-school: sudo mkfs.vfat -F32 /dev/<whatever>
[14:54] <PimpSmurf-school> ty again
[15:00] <PimpSmurf-school> Thanks genii! It looks like it is booting. I might finally get to boot kubuntu and try to figure out why the wireless doesn't work :(
[15:01] <PimpSmurf-school> nope. The boot-repair iso drops me to an (initramfs) prompt and the screen is scrolling usb errors
[15:02] <PimpSmurf-school> busybox terminal. All the errors scrolling make it impossible to see what happened
[15:03] <genii> PimpSmurf-school: Did you do an MD5 check on the image you are trying to use?
[15:03] <PimpSmurf-school> No, however it has been like this every time I downloaded it (3rd time)
[15:03] <PimpSmurf-school> Two different internet sites, both with reliable internet.
[15:03] <PimpSmurf-school> can't read configurations, error -71
[15:07] <genii> PimpSmurf-school: If you can get to a different console with alt-F2 maybe. Should get another tty to login where it's not scrolling errors and then could issue: dmesg|tail     to see more statically what error it's saying
[15:08] <PimpSmurf-school> no the errors follow the system
[15:09] <PimpSmurf-school> mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on //filesystem.squashfs failed: no such device
[15:09] <PimpSmurf-school> That is the error before the busybox banner.
[15:10] <genii> I haven't seen that one before, so at a loss currently of how to proceed.
[15:11] <ThugAim> A big Hello to everyone here. First time Kubuntu user 12.4 becuase the betas were being beta
[15:11] <FlameReaper-PC> how do I do a sudo do-release-upgrade with KDE?
[15:12] <FlameReaper-PC> I mean, I do remember there's a syntax that makes the updater recognize you're using a KDE desktop or something
[15:12] <FlameReaper-PC> I just cannot remember...
[15:12] <BluesKaj> FlameReaper-PC. you don';t for kde
[15:12] <FlameReaper-PC> oh
[15:12] <FlameReaper-PC> so I just do a
[15:12] <FlameReaper-PC> sudo release-upgrade
[15:12] <FlameReaper-PC> verbatim?
[15:13] <FlameReaper-PC> *do-release-upgrade
[15:13] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade for kde upgrades if you have the backports enabled
[15:14] <BluesKaj> do-release-upgrade is for upgrading to the next kubuntu OS release , FlameReaper-PC
[15:14] <FlameReaper-PC> ah
[15:14] <FlameReaper-PC> yes
[15:14] <FlameReaper-PC> I am intending to do a upgrade to the next Kubuntu
[15:16] <BluesKaj> then use, sudo do-release-upgrade , FlameReaper-PC
[15:16] <FlameReaper-PC> will do, thanks
[15:16] <PimpSmurf-school> Hopefully this other CD with boot-repair included will work..
[15:21] <Roey> congratulations all!!
[15:25] <kunaguvarun> Kubuntu's download page is still 13.04, not yet updated
[15:25] <kunaguvarun> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[15:31] <PimpSmurf-school> nope. secure-linux doesn't boot either.
[15:32] <PimpSmurf-school> Sucks to spend so much money on a laptop that their rep said works with linux, to have it not work.
[15:32] <PimpSmurf-school> And I don't get why Kubuntu fails to install grub propperly 1/2 the time. :(
[15:34] <PimpSmurf-school> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair  neither Boot-repair-disk nor Linux-Secure-Remix boot. boot-repair does try, but fails when it gets to the point of trying to mount /dev/loop0
[16:23] <ThugAim> First time Kubuntu user. Quad AMD Phenom. Kubuntu 12.4 64bit
[16:24] <ThugAim> wondering if it's normal to be using 3 cores running at 100% just to install applications with the terminal or wine...
[16:27] <challach> 13.10 is the current version now. i'm updating right now... http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10
[16:47] <excognac> hi all. after ruining my partition table with a bloody win7 rescue disk but restored it successfully, KDE PartitionManager 1.0.3 can't see it. with command line methos like fdisk it looks proper and it has worked fine in the past 3 weeks. Any solutions for this?
[16:47] <excognac> i used testdisk for restoration
[16:49] <excognac> ignore me, i gotta go afk. cya all
[17:13] <rodnice> Question: Is it advisable to not uninstall any of the default programs that came with a particular distro?
[17:13] <SunTsu> rodnice: it's advisable to know what you're doing
[17:14] <rodnice> <[17:14] <rodnice> Relatively speaking, I know nothing.
[17:14] <SunTsu> rodnice: then you just gave the answer to your own question
[17:15] <zacarias> When trying to upgrade to 13.10, I have the following error: An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[17:15] <zacarias> This can be caused by:
[17:15] <zacarias> * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[17:15] <zacarias> * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[17:15] <zacarias> * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[17:15] <FloodBotK1> zacarias: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:15] <rodnice> SunTsu: Where does a new Linux user go if they have questions to things they do not know?
[17:16] <SunTsu> rodnice: depends on what you want to know. There's manuals, books, howtos, guides, etc - and if you have support questions you're welcome here
[17:17] <rodnice> SunTsu: OK, I'll wait until I have a support question. Thank you
[17:17] <challach> kubuntuforums.net, askubuntu.com, ubuntuforums.org ...
[17:18] <SunTsu> yeah, that too, I forgot them
[17:18] <zacarias> When trying to upgrade to 13.10, I have the follwing error http://paste.ubuntu.com/6252111/
[17:18] <BluesKaj> zacarias. how are you installing from media or upgrading over the internet?
[17:18] <rodnice> challach: Those forums are only for support questions.  I just have a regular question.
[17:19] <zacarias> BluesKaj: upgrading over the internet
[17:20] <BluesKaj> zacarias. update/upgrade and dist-upgrade with apt before trying to release upgrade over the 'net
[17:21] <zacarias> BluesKaj: So, I have to run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[17:21] <BluesKaj> zacarias. yes
[17:21] <genii> Preferably with sudo before both the commands
[17:22] <zacarias> yes, of course, with sudo
[17:22] <BluesKaj> sudo is a given
[17:23] <challach> i'm sure u can ask almost any question if it's related to linux there rodnice
[17:24] <zacarias> It tells me 0 packages to update, to remove, etc
[17:24] <rodnice> challack: do you know if there is a linux IRC channel that I can use to ask questions regarding using linux?
[17:24] <rodnice> challach: do you know if there is a linux IRC channel that I can use to ask questions regarding using linux?
[17:24] <BluesKaj> rodnice. pls stop that
[17:25] <rodnice> BluesKaj: Please explain. I'm confused.
[17:27] <BluesKaj> zacarias, make sure you have the backports enabled in the sources.list or muon and run those commands again
[17:30] <rodnice> Does anyone know the appropriate channel to post this question?==>Question: Is it advisable to not uninstall any of the default programs that came with a particular distro?
[17:31] <rodnice> (I still don't know how to access different IRC channels)
[17:32] <zacarias> BluesKaj: I have this enabled: deb http://pt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[17:32] <zacarias> deb-src http://pt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[17:33] <BluesKaj> rodnice. which irc client ?
[17:33] <genii> rodnice: When you install for instace kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop it is a meta package which installs a suite of applications. You can uninstall any of them individually that you care to.
[17:33] <rodnice> BluesKaj: Quassel
[17:34] <rodnice> genii: Oh! thanks.  I had read something dated 2010 that said doing such a thing isn't best (I think he said that it lends to system instability).
[17:35] <BluesKaj> zacarias. that's the correct repos ... genii ,, any ideas ?
[17:35] <genii> rodnice: If later you upgrade to the next Kubuntu version, it might want to reinstall kubuntu-desktop which will put the stock applications back
[17:36] <genii> BluesKaj: Let me read backscroll and get back to you
[17:36] <rodnice> genii: OHHHHH! Wow, that's good to know! OK, that helps me plan better. Thanx!
[17:36] <genii> rodnice: np
[17:37] <SunTsu> rodnice, genii: I'm not trying to be a party pooper, but where is the sense in removing a meta package? It doesn't take up much diskspace and it doesn't disrupt anything
[17:37] <BluesKaj> in quassel open the server  , type /join #nameofchat , rodnice
[17:37] <genii> zacarias: Have you manually added repositories into your main /etc/apt/sources.list instead of compartmentalizing them into their own files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory?
[17:38] <genii> SunTsu: They don't want to remove kubuntu-desktop. Only some of the applications it installed by default
[17:38] <rodnice> BluesKaj: Thank you, that was dumb easy.  Been following the wrong steps.
[17:39] <SunTsu> genii: OK, that does make sense
[17:39] <genii> zacarias: Can you please pastebin the results of command:  ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/       ..and also the current contents of the file: /etc/apt/sources.list please
[17:39] <zacarias> genii: I just added ppa's
[17:39] <zacarias> genii: Ok
[17:41] <BluesKaj> ppas should be auto ignored afaik , but removing them from the source.list and sources.list.d might help , zacarias
[17:42] <genii> BluesKaj: There are some old scripts which add repositories directly into the original sources.list ...so it's good to check and make sure only stock stuff in there
[17:42] <ansong> do you guys answer general ubuntu questions or just kde related ones?
[17:42] <zacarias> genii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6252230/
[17:43] <genii> zacarias: You have a mix of quantal and raring PPA in there, might be causing part of the issue
[17:44] <zacarias> genii:  the sources.listhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6252235/
[17:44] <genii> eg: If you're on Raring, the upgrader won't remove/disable the Quantal PPA entries
[17:45] <genii> zacarias: Also you have directly in your sources.list an entry for the MATE repository
[17:46] <zacarias> genii: it's a mess
[17:46] <genii> zacarias: Yes.
[17:47] <BluesKaj>  ansong , this is ubuntu with the kde desktop , so if it's gnome or unity or other 'buntu related desktop then join the appropriate chat
[17:48] <genii> zacarias: Remove or comment out the last two lines of your sources.list file that refer to the foreign repository . Then rename the files in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory that have the name quantal in them to something like from:  kxstudio-team-ppa-quantal.list      to:  kxstudio-team-ppa-quantal.list.old
[17:49] <genii> zacarias: After you've finished both these tasks, do sudo apt-get update and then try to upgrade again
[17:50] <BluesKaj> zacarias.  http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ , if you decide to wipe your sources.list cean use this
[17:50] <zacarias> thanks
[17:51] <rodnice> genii: Thanx again.  I see there is a new version of Kubuntu available today.  Your answer was perfect timing!
[17:55] <genii> rodnice: Glad to assist!
[18:12] <thomas____> hallo
[18:13] <lordievader> Hey thomas____
[18:15] <ansong> i have a problem with setting a static ip address on my system. i've removed networkmanager and am using /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces to configure the single NIC in my machine
[18:15] <ansong> when set to dhcp it brings eth0 up just fine but when set to any combination of settings seen here: http://pastebin.ca/2467816 I get RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[18:16] <ansong> every fix for that error seems to be for those with more than one NIC or those using aliases, neither of which i am doing
[18:17] <lordievader> ansong: I believe I had a similair error once the way I fixed it was by renaming /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[18:18] <ansong> lordievader: I'll give it a shot!
[18:21] <BluesKaj> ansong. you have to setup /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base and head , which write to /etc/resolv.conf in order to preserve the connection, you need nameserver, default gateway , search gateway and default gateway listed there ,
[18:23] <ansong> sadly, that had no effect
[18:24] <BluesKaj> what had no effect , ansong?
[18:25] <ansong> the first time I ran it, it said RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument. then for subsequent tries with various combinations of lines from the interfaces file it was RTNETLINK answers: file exists
[18:25] <ansong> setting it back to dhcp brought me right back up
[18:25] <lordievader> ansong: Did you reboot after you renamed the file?
[18:26] <ansong> No...is udev info regenerated at boot?
[18:26] <lordievader> ansong: Also why is everything commented in /etc/network/interfaces?
[18:27] <lordievader> ansong: For such things I find it a good idea to reboot, network devices are not easy to plug out and in (if they are not usb).
[18:28] <ansong> that was just the way i copied / pasted it. if i'm online talking to you, that's the way it looks. when i'm actively trying things, the static line and at least the address, netmask and gateway are uncommented.
[18:28] <ansong> i'll try rebooting now and testing it out again.
[18:28] <BluesKaj> ans did you see my post above ?
[18:28] <BluesKaj> ansong.6'
[18:29] <draikx> Hello. I'm trying to upgrade from 13.04->13.10, but I keep getting this error:  W: Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/raring/Release.gpg  Something wicked happened resolving 'packages.medibuntu.org:http' (-11 - System error)
[18:29] <BluesKaj> BBL
[18:29] <ansong> BluesKaj: i did. i figured since my problems were desktop independent, i'd just ask here since that's what i'm running
[18:30] <draikx> I removed the Medibuntu repos from /etc/apt/sources.list, but it still shows up when I do "sudo apt-get update"
[18:31] <draikx> Am I to remove it from another location, too?
[18:31] <BluesKaj> well resolv.conf won't hold it's settings after a reboot , ansong unless they're entered in the /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base and head
[18:31] <BluesKaj> ansong.^
[18:31] <ansong> does it matter if i uninstalled resolvconf along with networkmanager?
[18:32] <BluesKaj> bbl ...mailbox trek
[18:32] <ansong> thanks for your help, btw
[18:33] <BluesKaj> ansong.  you can recreate reslv.conf if it's missing
[18:33] <ansong> i'll check it out after the reboot. brb
[18:37] <Brian_H> just upgraded to 13.10 nework manager has a red x now, shows no connections - and I keep getting this error about ""no secrets were provided".
[18:38] <Brian_H> anyone have a clue how to fix/troubleshoot... It was working on 13.04
[18:39] <chachan> any recommendation for a dock menu bar?
[18:44] <challach> draikx: medibuntu is dead  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[18:44] <challach> chachan: cairo-dock
[18:46] <ansong> rebooting didn't fix it. this all started after i added mtu 9000 to the interfaces file because it wasn't enabling jumbo frames on the NIC. it had been working statically
[18:47] <lordievader> ansong: Does your NIC support jumbo frames?
[18:47] <ansong> it had been bugging me to reboot for a while so instead of ifdown / ifup i just rebooted
[18:48] <BluesKaj> ansong. run sudo dhclient eth0 , the try a browser
[18:48] <BluesKaj> then
[18:49] <ansong> lordievader: ahhh, hmm... well, it's a gigabit nic. e1000 i believe
[18:49] <ansong> BluesKaj: RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[18:49] <BluesKaj> yes , good ansong now trya browser
[18:50] <ansong> it connects
[18:51] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:53] <BluesKaj> for static ip , ansong check this out , http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[18:54] <BluesKaj> ans it's a little bit dated but the /etc/network /interfaces settings still apply
[18:54] <BluesKaj> damn
[19:08] <draikx> challach, That makes sense. But if I removed it from the repo list, why is it still being hit?
[19:16] <BluesKaj> draikx., did you update after removal?
[19:16] <draikx> BluesKaj, Yes. I removed the deb entries, did 'sudo apt-get update', and it still hits it.
[19:16] <Dog7689> Hello.  Does anybody know what happened to the kubuntu-low-fat-settings package in 13.10?
[19:17] <BluesKaj> draikx. then check muon settings>sources. mak sure it's unchecked or removed there
[19:18] <draikx> Settings>Sources from what? I'm on the command line.
[19:20] <BluesKaj> draikx. muon package manager , settings>sources , it sometimes needs to be edited as well ,
[19:20] <draikx> BluesKaj, thank you. I didn't know about that. I've always used command line.
[19:22] <draikx> BluesKaj, that was it. It was still there, and checked. Everything is working now.
[19:25] <BluesKaj> draikx. yeah , due to the popularity of gui, the cli is no longer the boss :( , config files are now written for gui settings more and more
[19:29] <draikx> BluesKaj, bummer cloud. Good to know, though. Too bad the GUI won't just stick to what is already there, so you only have to worry about one config.
[19:31] <Schrodinger`Cat> hey
[19:31] <Schrodinger`Cat> why on the download page, 32 bit version is "recommended" ?
[19:32] <lordievader> Schrodinger`Cat: That is the 'safe' choice for if you don't know what to pick.
[19:33] <Schrodinger`Cat> ok
[19:34] <Schrodinger`Cat> by the way, let Kubuntu will RoX for long :)
[19:43] <Dudalus2> Hey there. I've downloaded Kubutnu 13.10 x64 and want to install it from a DVD, but the setup hangs up at 93% (Live DVD + Setup and Setup from DVD). Any ideas ?
[19:44] <Dudalus2> ntu*
[19:55] <draikx> I'm performing "sudo do-release-upgrade" and getting this error about running a pre-release: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6252852/
[19:59] <exalt> hello, im trying to install 13.10 but the installer keeps stuck at "User info"
[19:59] <exalt> any ideas on how to handle this ?
[20:01] <exalt> my progressbar passed 100% so should i be fine to close the installer ?
[20:02] <exalt> the ubuntu one login screen hasn't come up though
[20:03] <BluesKaj> exalt. which kubuntu do have now ?
[20:03] <exalt> 13.10
[20:03] <exalt> what do u think BluesKaj ?
[20:03] <BluesKaj> not the OS you're installing , the one you're running
[20:04] <BluesKaj> ubuntuone isn't offered in Kubuntu
[20:04] <exalt> none at the moment, a formatted ubuntu 13.10 installation
[20:04] <exalt> ahh okay
[20:05] <exalt> so it passed 100%, i guess the gui just crashed
[20:05] <exalt> i will try to reboot
[20:05] <BluesKaj> exalt. wait
[20:05] <exalt> oaky
[20:06] <BluesKaj> it might take up to 10 mins before the install is actually finisj=hed , even sfter the prog bar is maxed
[20:07] <BluesKaj> if it's a dvd , wait for it to be ejected first
[20:07] <exalt> BluesKaj: is there any way i can check ?
[20:07] <exalt> its an usb
[20:07] <BluesKaj> then i don't know
[20:08] <exalt> fingers crossed
[20:08] <BluesKaj> hit the enter key after 5mins or so
[20:08] <JMichaelX> so... how have things been going for folks who have upgraded to 13.10?
[20:10] <Dudalus2> okay, installing without an internet connection works (no hangups)
[20:11] <JMichaelX> good to hear. i am preparing to do my first of 2 upgrades to 13.10
[20:12] <cff> Kubuntu has been released?
[20:12] <cff> yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[20:12] <Dudalus2> cff yes, 9h ago
[20:12] <cff> Great, congrats for the hard work
[21:05] <wissam> Hi guys, i have just installed kubuntu  13.10 thank u it's great  ,but i have a small problem
[21:06] <wissam> autocompletetion doesn't work when after typing  sudo
[21:07] <wissam> for example typing apt-ge and press tab complete it to apt-get but typing sudo apt-g and pressing tab doesn't complete it
[21:12] <wissam> i see a solution , i will reboot to see if it will work
[21:19] <alesan> hi, I am trying to update but muon does not "see" the new distribution
[21:19] <alesan> am I doing something wrong????
[21:22] <Estersios> fresh install in my case
[21:23] <exalt> hello
[21:24] <exalt> kubuntu wont leave plymouth screen :s
[21:24] <alesan> not it's work
[21:24] <alesan> it says it will take 13 minutes to do the upgrade
[21:25] <alesan> am I supposed to use the PC as usual or should I just use minimal applications whiel upgrading?
[21:27] <bootkiller> you can use application, but some might break during the upgrade
[21:49] <chachan> there're weird things on this one
[21:49] <chachan> don't you have a blinking when you swap windows?
[21:51] <chachan> also, when you add an item in the menu, it doesn't appear when you use the search on the first menu tab. You have to close and login again to find it through that search field
[21:52] <chachan> that always happened to me but it's not fixed yet
[21:57] <tarator> Hi, can anybody tell me how to install that fancy new Network Manager applet (mentioned here: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-13.10) after upgrading from 13.04 to 13.10
[21:58] <tarator> Somehow all those new features are never installed on an upgrade... actually now I don't have a network manager applet at all :(
[21:59] <skreech_> chachan: that's the KDE cache being rebuilt
[22:00] <skreech_> tarator: do you have a systray?
[22:00] <tarator> yes.
[22:01] <chachan> skreech_, I did that several hours ago and still is not appearing
[22:01] <skreech_> chachan: Yeah that tends to happen with cache.
[22:02] <tarator> Isn't there a package which I can install?
[22:03] <tarator> For example I also had to install the about-distro package manually after the upgrade...
[22:03] <skreech_> You can kbuildsycoca4 to rebuild it chachan
[22:03] <skreech_> tarator: Really? do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[22:03] <skreech_>  That can get uninstalled for a number of reasons
[22:03] <tarator> yes...
[22:04] <tarator> skreech_: I have thos Problem with each upgrade... I never get the new stuff...
[22:04] <chachan> skreech_, got this http://pastebin.kde.org/pmidqbijp
[22:05] <skreech_> tarator: Funky. You log out and back in?
[22:05] <skreech_> chachan: Well that's an issue then aint it? :)
[22:05] <chachan> tarator, personally, I remove the whole .kde directory from my ~/
[22:05] <chachan> skreech_, looks like....
[22:05] <tarator> skreech_ I restarted my machine after upgrade... I'll try it again cu soon...
[22:06] <tarator> chachan it will end up with that... :(
[22:06] <skreech_> chachan: That directory can hold your mail so be careful with that
[22:06] <bootkiller> correct command is "kbuildsycoca4 -noincremental"
[22:06] <skreech_> bootkiller: hmm ok
[22:06] <skreech_> tarator: Well then it should be ok. Let me look to see what package the new NM is
[22:07] <chachan> tarator,  oh sure, make your backup!
[22:08] <chachan> since I use imap (without downloading mails), I don't "care" too much about it
[22:08] <tarator> chachan yes... thanks for the tip...
[22:08] <skreech_> tarator: plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[22:08] <skreech_> !info plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[22:08] <tarator> I restarted my machine again and now it works...
[22:08] <tarator> thanks for your help and sorry for wasting your time!
[22:09] <skreech_> chachan: I figured you did since you never missed it. Just saying it's not a safe assumption that it's going to be a great idea for someone else
[22:09] <skreech_> tarator: That's fine :) We are here for technical and Morale support! :)
[22:10] <chachan> skype still sucks on amd64 :(
[22:10] <tarator> skreech_ Yehaaa! :)
[22:13] <alesan> chachan, why? I've been using it a lot and... what is the problem?
[22:14] <chachan> alesan, colors are not the same when you use i386 (which looks better). Calls something drop and I have to close and launch Skype again
[22:14] <chachan> of course, you have to wait a couple of minutes because if you don't, Skype won't start
[22:15] <chachan> that happened to me and a friend with 13.x (amd64)
[22:15] <alesan> chachan, I have not observed those problems
[22:16] <chachan> alesan, did you just install skype?, or are you using something additional?
[22:16] <alesan> chachan, well... nothing special...
[22:17] <alesan> could it be a problem with the video driver? as in the way skype uses the xv extension or similar
[22:17] <alesan> to show the video on the screen
[22:17] <alesan> in my case I just use the base intel video adapter
[22:17] <alesan> I disabled ANY 3D special effect or movement also from KDE
[22:17] <alesan> I consider those a huge waste of time
[22:18] <alesan> transparencies, animations, zoom etc - all gone
[22:19] <chachan> alesan, I don't have any issue with the video. But I do with the window chat, the sidebar (left) where your contact are listed, has a weird background and the cursor pointer is not the same as your system
[22:20] <alesan> chachan, for sure I do not have anything remotely like that
[22:20] <alesan> the chat and contacts windows are perfect
[22:20] <chachan> :(
[22:20] <chachan> last version?
[22:20] <alesan> I thought you were referring to the webcam window
[22:20] <alesan> 4.2.0.11
[22:21] <chachan> what could I be missing then?
[22:21] <alesan> as I said try to disable the animations effect (I think it's a single setting in KDE) and see if it makes a difference
[22:23] <chachan> alesan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1191787
[22:23] <Addle> Is it just me, or is the libXtst for i386 missing?
[22:24] <chachan> alesan, nop, with disabled effect I'm getting the same result
[22:24] <Addle> TeamViewer won't run because it lacks that library, and it doesn't seem to be in the repos.
[22:25] <alesan> chachan, write on a forum or something because I really have almost no problem with skype
[22:26] <chachan> let me share you some screenshots
[22:26] <alesan> hold on
[22:26] <alesan> I need t o restart into Kubuntu 13.10
[22:27] <chachan> alesan, let me know
[22:36] <Dudalus_> What's a good site for uploading pictures (to link them in a mailing list mail) ?
[22:37] <dolomite> imgur
[22:37] <Dudalus_> k
[22:54] <BigWig_> having trouble updating
[22:55] <BigWig_> I've been having trouble updating. Here's what happened: "W:Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/universe/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.15 80]
[22:55] <BigWig_> , E:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead."
[22:56] <SunTsu> BigWig_: er, hardy?
[22:56] <BigWig_> I'm using 13.04
[22:56] <BigWig_> Why would hardy be there?
[22:56] <BigWig_> Should I purge it?
[22:57] <SunTsu> BigWig_: looks like there's some leftover from 8.04 - get rid of that!
[22:57] <SunTsu> wth, I don't even
[22:58] <zacarias> Hi. I'm having problems upgrading to 13.10 I get the following message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6253774/    I cleaned up my sources.list file. Now all that I have is this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6253720/    I also erased all the files in the sources.list.d directory. But I keep getting the same message.
[22:59] <BigWig_> Another question, if I just type do-release-upgrade in the terminal, will that update KDE as well?
[22:59] <SunTsu> zacarias: You still might have packages installed that do-release-upgrade does not know how to handle
[22:59] <SunTsu> BigWig_: sure
[23:01] <zacarias> SunTsu: wow... How can I solve that (without a clean installation)?
[23:03] <dolomite> I wish they'd stop offering distro upgrades. it's always best to do a clean install with newer versions
[23:04] <SunTsu> zacarias: I don't know, never had an issue like that. I'd try asking $searchengine for that error message
[23:04] <SunTsu> dolomite: Then I'd never upgrade. I can't afford to flatten my working machine and rebuild it every 6 months
[23:05] <dolomite> i understand that every user has their own workflow but it's really easy to do a clean install if everything's organized and prepared for it
[23:06] <dolomite> and arguably LTS releases are not on a 6 month cycle :)
[23:06] <SunTsu> dolomite: I can't run LTS on my desktop, I don't want to work with e.g. a year old libre office
[23:07] <dolomite> well like I said everyone's different. I think for newer users especially, a clean install is always less headache
[23:07] <dolomite> and I just think that should be adequately communicated to the community
[23:08] <SunTsu> Flattening and rebuilding a box takes time and lots of work to make it work exactly the way it did before is at least 2 days if your setup is non-trivial
[23:08] <dolomite> SunTsu I'm not speaking to your particular case
[23:09] <SunTsu> dolomite: Yeah, but still I would have to do that. Really would have me move on to a distro that offers release upgrades
[23:10] <dolomite> It just seems the principle issues I see from users (from lurking mainly) are those leftover from the upgrade process. Old packages, corrupt configs, etc.
[23:11] <dolomite> if a disclaimer was at least put out there so maybe newer users would know that the upgrade route still isn't perfect
[23:12] <alesan> I'm back
[23:12]  * SunTsu cheers for alesan 
[23:12] <alesan> :D
[23:12] <alesan> I'm using Kbubuntu 13.10 now!
[23:13] <SunTsu> dolomite: Never had that and my previous workstation did every step from 10.04 to 13.04
[23:15] <JMichaelX> JUST finished upgrading to saucy on one of two machines. so far, things look very good. upgrade could not have gobe any more smoothly.  many thanks to Riddell and devs!
[23:16] <JMichaelX> gone*
[23:17] <BigWig_> getting this error now http://pastebin.com/d62NuNkn
[23:18] <JMichaelX> BigWig_: which version of kubuntu are you presently running?
[23:19] <BigWig_> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[23:19] <BigWig_> Description:    Ubuntu 13.04
[23:19] <BigWig_> Release:        13.04
[23:19] <BigWig_> Codename:       raring
[23:19] <JMichaelX> careful  not to flood, BigWig_
[23:20] <SunTsu> BigWig_: please, if you plan to paste more than two lines, use a paste service
[23:20] <JMichaelX> BigWig_: is your system fully updated?
[23:21] <SunTsu> BigWig_: zacarias had the same issue. If your system is fully updated I'd do what this message tells me: report it as a bug
[23:47] <valorie> I dunno why some badmouth upgrading
[23:47] <valorie> usually it works great for me
[23:47] <valorie> much less trouble than a new install
[23:47] <valorie> to be fair, new installs are fast
[23:51] <SunTsu> valorie: as I said, my old workstation had no trouble during 6 release upgrades - it probably wouldn't have problems upgrading to 13.10 if it didn't break earlier this year
[23:53] <valorie> I figure if I run into major problems, then it's time to clean install
[23:54] <valorie> anyway, I'm glad we have lots of choices available