[04:22] <nirvana> laptop went down when liveusb still doing some testdisk job, and now the lubuntu liveusb asking for a password in login
[04:22] <nirvana> well nevermind, just need to write iso into it again
[11:57] <zleap> hi is 13.10 out yet,website is still showing 13.04 so maybe its later today
[12:02] <bioterror> !isitout
[13:46]  * hyperair wonders where gilir has gone.
[13:46] <hyperair> does anyone know?
[14:11] <melodie> hi, is phillw around? I'd like some insights about posting at the brainstorming/blueprint zram page
[14:52] <phillw> hyperair: he's been mad busy with work of late.
[14:53] <hyperair> i see
[14:53]  * hyperair has been waiting for him to push a git repository
[14:54] <phillw> hyperair: he said he was going to try and get on today at some point.
[14:56] <hyperair> i see
[14:56]  * hyperair lies in wait
[14:56] <hyperair> thanks
[15:00] <phillw> I'll get an announcement out, but lubuntu is now released.
[15:05] <SonikkuAmerica> The lynx also need updating.
[15:05] <SonikkuAmerica> *links
[15:06] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: I'm just about to move all the prepared wiki pages over. I have to get the release notes that they refer to typed up first :)
[15:09] <SonikkuAmerica> :-)
[15:10] <melodie> hi phillw hi all
[15:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Hola
[15:17] <phillw> hi melodie I saw the ping, just busy with release notes.
[15:21] <SonikkuAmerica> IAmNotThatGuy: Yes, you are that guy :-)
[15:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> Ummm!! I doubt that Try asking someone else ;P
[15:21] <melodie> phillw I just finished the blueprint about zram
[15:22] <melodie> whenever you find the time, it's here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/zram-config
[15:34] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: all pages should be now okay, please check the links starting from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu whilst I type up the email!
[15:35] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: I'll fix the first table for you, it's a little off
[15:38] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: Never mind, it was just the screen size.
[15:39] <SonikkuAmerica> And... I just received the e-mail!
[15:39] <phillw> Release day single manned is *always* fun :)
[15:40] <SonikkuAmerica> If I didn't have psychology homework I might've been able to give you a hand.
[15:40] <phillw> Thankfully SergioMeneses did a fantastic job of preparing the pages, so it was just a quick check the release notes page was updated and then a mass re-name :)
[15:41] <SonikkuAmerica> "Computers with less than 400 MB of RAM are considered low-level" ... Err, less than 512?
[15:42] <genii> Maybe 768!
[15:42]  * genii snickers
[15:42] <SonikkuAmerica> genii: I recommend computers wuth
[15:43] <SonikkuAmerica> ... With 512 run Xubuntu... But there are Lubuntu users with that much
[15:43] <SonikkuAmerica> I built a Lubuntu install for a 1 GB machine
[15:44] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: The Get page looks OK... How about lubuntu.net?
[15:44] <genii> Conceivably you could have 400MB ... one 256, one 128, and a couple of 8
[15:45] <melodie> excuse me : I'd recommand upgrading the ram (they are cheap now) ;-)
[15:45] <SonikkuAmerica> genii: lol 8
[15:45] <melodie> I bought 1 GB device ram for my T30 lately, it cost me 10 euros
[15:45]  * SonikkuAmerica once ran Windows 3.1 on 1 GB of RAM
[15:46] <genii> SonikkuAmerica: Yeah, PC-100 or 133 used to come in those sizes
[15:46] <melodie> with a lubuntu in it, those machines fly!
[15:47] <SonikkuAmerica> I've heard the amd6+Mac images I might also be good for UEFI PCs
[15:47] <SonikkuAmerica> -I
[15:47] <SonikkuAmerica> *amd64+mac
[15:47] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: it needs an edit to reflect 13.10 is out. Mario has been emailed to action that. The get lubuntu link from there points to the wiki, so people automatically get the latest one as soon as we release :)
[15:48] <SonikkuAmerica> What about Luigi? :-)
[15:48] <phillw> Luigi I don't think I have his email addy. Our TODO list states to contact Mario, so I just did :)
[15:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Lol
[15:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Maybe Luigi escaped to World 9-1
[15:50] <genii> melodie: We run it on some old Dell Pentium 2 at 400MHz and 384MB running Lubuntu nicely
[15:51] <melodie> genii very good. Did you install the latest with the Desktop version?
[15:51] <melodie> or with the alternate version?
[15:52] <genii> melodie: I forget... these are still currently at 12.04 ( we do usually like 8.04->10.04->12.04, etc)
[15:53] <melodie> what do you call nicely? What apps do you use?
[15:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Play nice! *spanks Lubuntu*
[15:54] <melodie> what does "spanks" mean?
[15:54] <melodie> (sorry, not English native here)
[15:55] <genii> melodie: Mostly these are being used for internet surfing stations, with some word processing. So usually the apps being used are Firefox and AbiWord
[15:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Melodie: Corporal punishment
[15:56] <genii> Some disk swapping when FF has 3-4 tabs open but otherwise not bad
[15:56]  * SonikkuAmerica would still install Chromium anyway
[15:57] <melodie> genii have you considered trying to handle the swapping to disk?
[15:58] <melodie> SonikkuAmerica Chromium is fast, and Google Chrome for Linux is very fast! I don't like the idea of using them, but I must say I tried once and it was supra fast
[16:00] <genii> melodie: We had some ancient old "InnoDisk EDC" 512MB adapters, we use this for the swap. They are like early SSD that plug directly into the IDE socket on the motherboard
[16:04] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: we found the new FFox to handle low RAM machines better than Chromium, hence the switch for default. I still use both browsers at the same time :) Chromium for all (l)ubuntu related stuff and Ffox for RL stuff :)
[16:05] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: I don't use Firefox at all, because most stuff I do is with Google
[16:06] <phillw> I have google set up as the default search on Ffox :) Having two different search engines would royally do my head in!
[16:07] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: DuckDuckGo :-)
[16:08] <phillw> as I use google educational email system, they already know all about me :)
[16:19] <SergioMeneses> phillw, :)
[16:19] <phillw> SergioMeneses: hiyas... all pages safely re-named :)
[16:19] <phillw> you're a star. It made life a heck of a lot easier having them all ready!
[16:20] <phillw> all the release+1 are now live, and all the old ones are now /13.04 at the end :)
[16:21] <SergioMeneses> phillw, we all are rock-stars
[16:22] <phillw> the list of credits I'll leave for the boss! I just mentioned all the teams; as each team does outstanding work :D
[16:31] <SergioMeneses> phillw, we need a post on http://planet.ubuntu.com/ about the new lubuntu release
[16:41] <zbrkxbr> hi guys is that the offical lubuntu channel
[16:41] <zbrkxbr> if it is yes I have a major issue in 13.10
[16:42] <zbrkxbr> I updated it via software update but after that it doesn't run lubuntu seisson clearly
[16:42] <phillw> !ask | zbrkxbr
[16:42] <zbrkxbr> ok ok guys calm down
[16:42] <zbrkxbr> :D
[16:43] <phillw> zbrkxbr: please can you explain what you mean by 'clearly', thanks :)
[16:43] <zbrkxbr> lxpannel doesn't open
[16:43] <zbrkxbr> and I guess it runs openbox
[16:44] <zbrkxbr> because there is nothing on  the screen I can reach a customized menu when right click on the screen
[16:45] <zbrkxbr> I tried to run lxpannel with terminal and it gaves me an lxde pannel but not a lubuntu pannel :S
[16:45] <melodie> in Lubuntu Saucy I get this too during the first 10/15 seconds after the X session is started, then the panel starts and the menu comes back to normal
[16:45] <melodie> zbrkxbr can you post your .xsession-errors file in a http://pastebin.com page for instance?
[16:46] <phillw> zbrkxbr: I'm just looking to see if it has been mentioned during testing... give me a few mins; in the meantime melodie will step in :)
[16:46] <melodie> philipballew I just saw your announcement on the mailing list :)
[16:46] <melodie> tss tabs
[16:46] <melodie> phillw
[16:46] <utusan> are you using lightdm?
[16:46] <melodie> so the testing period is finished?
[16:47] <zbrkxbr> guys I can't reach the pastebin
[16:47] <zbrkxbr> :S
[16:47] <melodie> try http://pastebin.fr
[16:47] <melodie> it works usually
[16:47] <zbrkxbr> it's french domain code I'mn from Turkey
[16:47] <zbrkxbr> and website is French too :D
[16:48] <zbrkxbr> do I have to right my issue in French
[16:48] <melodie> just paste the content in the field, submit and give us the link here please?
[16:48] <phillw> zbrkxbr: try http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[16:49] <zbrkxbr> syntax ?
[16:49] <melodie> zbrkxbr the content of the file /home/you/.xsession-errors is what I am asking you
[16:50] <phillw> there is a new bug reported for upgrading (2 hours old). It's all I can find and it does not look like the issue you are having bug 1241010
[16:50] <zbrkxbr> that's strance I can't reach the file manager
[16:50] <zbrkxbr> I gonna try the other one
[16:50] <zbrkxbr> oh it's opened
[16:51] <melodie> you machine might be slow, how much RAM and what CPU and Graphics does it have?
[16:51] <utusan> open a terminal, and then cat ~/user/.xsession-errors
[16:51] <zbrkxbr> script for cjkv started at run_im.
[16:51] <melodie> utusan cat ~/.xesssion-errors
[16:51] <melodie> ~/ stands for /home/user
[16:51] <melodie> else named $HOME
[16:51] <zbrkxbr> script for deaflut started ar run_im.
[16:51] <zbrkxbr> script for cjkv started at run_im.
[16:51] <zbrkxbr> script for deaflut started ar run_im.
[16:52] <zbrkxbr> that's all
[16:52] <melodie> not possible?
[16:52] <melodie> do "leafpad ~/.xesssion-errors" (without the quotes)
[16:53] <zbrkxbr> hey there is another file called
[16:53] <melodie> do you see only the messages you just pasted here?
[16:53] <zbrkxbr> xseisson-errors-old
[16:53] <melodie> .xession-errors
[16:53] <utusan> there is an old file too
[16:53] <melodie> I added one unnecessary "s"
[16:53] <melodie> utusan sometimes, not always
[16:54] <zbrkxbr> hey there is two file firs xseisson-errors and another one is the script(loks like a script) x-sesisson errors old  I wrote the contect whic is in xsesisson errors
[16:55] <zbrkxbr> but I opened the old one with leafpad and there is an error
[16:55] <melodie> zbrkxbr bring back here the output of this command :
[16:55] <melodie> ls -l .Xauthority
[16:56] <zbrkxbr> -rw------ 1 ozberk ozberk 58 Eki 17 19:37 .Xauthority
[16:56] <melodie> it is ok
[16:57] <melodie> what about the result for:
[16:57] <melodie> dh -h
[16:57] <melodie> ?
[16:57] <melodie> no
[16:57] <melodie> df -h
[16:57] <zbrkxbr> file systems
[16:57] <zbrkxbr> a lot of data dıo you want to see that result
[16:59] <zbrkxbr> ok ozbrk is mr I'm switching him
[16:59] <utusan> which dm are you using to login ?  there are a bucnh of lx*-sessions that does to me what you explained
[16:59] <melodie> zbrkxbr
[16:59] <ozbrk> melodie
[16:59] <ozbrk> it's me zbrkxbr
[16:59] <melodie> ozbrk can you paste the output of the "df -h" to http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[17:00] <ozbrk> done
[17:00] <melodie> then once done, you click on the button where it is written "paste!" and you give the link here please
[17:00] <utusan> ozbrk: now post the url
[17:01] <melodie> thanks utusan
[17:01] <ozbrk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6252019/
[17:01] <melodie> ok there is lots of space
[17:02] <melodie> so what about "free -m" ?
[17:02] <ozbrk> so?
[17:02] <ozbrk> ok
[17:02] <melodie> so the space is not the problem
[17:02] <melodie> when did you install it?
[17:02] <ozbrk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6252034/
[17:03] <ozbrk> free -m is here
[17:04] <utusan> ozbrk: in logging in which session did you chose?  There are a bunch of session for lx*sessions.  not all of them works for me like lubuntu-qt
[17:04] <ozbrk> lubuntu seisson
[17:07] <utusan> ozbrk: I'm guessing this is a full lubuntu install?
[17:07] <ozbrk> it's updated from 13.04
[17:08] <ozbrk> and yes this is a full lubuntu install
[17:08] <melodie> ozbrk did that occur after update?
[17:08] <ozbrk> yeap
[17:08] <melodie> or is it a recent install?
[17:08] <ozbrk> nope ubuntu 13.04 worked fine
[17:09] <ozbrk> wait yes it's occured after the update
[17:09] <melodie> ok, now I don't know but I have a suggestion: will you create a new user, give it the same rights as you have, and start the session with this new user? then tell us how it goes?
[17:09] <utusan> I used to have only lxde core and looks changed only when I installed lubuntu-default-settings and session
[17:10] <ozbrk> ok tell me the direction
[17:10] <melodie> look in the menu System if you have a "Users and Groups" menu entry
[17:10] <ozbrk> I can't reach settings I will start a fresh installation if it is necessary
[17:11] <ozbrk> nope
[17:12] <ozbrk> I have desktop setting - obcons ( with full name of course) - reconfigure openbox and restart openbox
[17:12] <ozbrk> obconf*
[17:13] <utusan> check if lubuntu-artwork and/or lubuntu-lxpanel-icons are up-todate - ver 0.41
[17:13] <ozbrk> how
[17:14] <ozbrk> maybe I can try sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[17:15] <utusan> yes try that.  the update may not have completed properly
[17:15] <ozbrk> lubuntu-desktop zaten en yeni sürümde
[17:15] <ozbrk> translation: lubuntu-desktop is already on newest version
[17:16] <ozbrk> ok let's try a fresh installation there is no data on this netbook
[17:16] <ozbrk> so I can do a fresh installation
[17:18] <ozbrk> but hey guys
[17:18] <utusan> try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:18] <ozbrk> done
[17:18] <ozbrk> nothing happends
[17:18] <utusan> so it's complete
[17:19] <ozbrk> I have another issue but you have to wait
[17:19] <ozbrk> to my restart
[17:19] <utusan> do you have aptitude
[17:19] <ozbrk> nope
[17:19] <vrkalak> I upgrade new lubuntu 13.10, old one,  with no problems
[17:19] <ozbrk> wait
[17:19] <ozbrk> yes
[17:19] <utusan> install aptitude, and then sudo aptitude reinstall lubuntu-desktop
[17:19] <ozbrk> I have aptitude
[17:19] <ozbrk> :D
[17:20] <utusan> do aptitude clean first
[17:20] <ozbrk> ok
[17:20] <ozbrk> E: Kilit dosyası /var/cache/apt/archives/lock açılamadı - open (13: Erişim engellendi)
[17:21] <utusan> this shows there was an incomplete install
[17:21] <ozbrk> but what
[17:21] <utusan> delete this lock and then try again
[17:24] <ozbrk> nope
[17:24] <ozbrk> doesn't work
[17:24] <utusan> what doesn't work?
[17:24] <ozbrk> apitutde clean
[17:25] <utusan> you mean it's complaining about that lock?
[17:25] <ozbrk> good gess :D
[17:25] <ozbrk> yes
[17:25] <RouricK> hello :)
[17:25] <utusan> that lock means there was or is running process that have not completed properly
[17:26] <ozbrk> look I have to tell something
[17:26] <ozbrk> I take another error which I think it's connected
[17:26] <ozbrk> but I have to restart my computer and then I can show you
[17:27] <ozbrk> can you wait for that
[17:27] <utusan> ok
[17:27] <ozbrk> say good luck
[17:27] <utusan> luck has nothing to do with this
[17:29] <utusan> I'm guessing that unattended-upgrade manager is holding that lock
[17:29] <ozbrk_> ok I gonna upload the file
[17:32] <krasnozer> hi, i just installed 13.10 and the screen doesn't password lock anymore after blanking or hibernation, any idea how I fix this? there is a "lock after waking up" check box in xfce4-power-manager but it has no effect
[17:32] <ozbrk_> hey are you still there
[17:32] <utusan> yes
[17:34] <ozbrk_> The Disk Driver : /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 couldn't mounted
[17:34] <utusan> looks like you have your home encrypted
[17:35] <ozbrk_> I did what ?
[17:35] <utusan> don't use this and I'm not familiar with it
[17:35] <utusan> I saw your df, there is a .private file
[17:36] <ozbrk_> so ?
[17:36] <utusan> since it wasn't mounted then it may have issues accessing config files/settings
[17:37] <utusan> just my guess, sorry can't help anymore
[17:37] <ozbrk_> ok I gonna do a fresh installation
[17:38] <utusan> and if you can don't encrypt home folder
[17:38] <ozbrk_> I didn'T :S
[17:38] <utusan> someone did
[17:38] <ozbrk_> dude I have been hacked :D
[17:38] <ozbrk_> hahaha :D
[17:38] <ozbrk_> that was a joke
[17:38] <utusan> look at your df -h
[17:38] <ozbrk_> ok
[17:40] <utusan> home/ozberk/.Private  229G  3,3G  214G    2% /home/ozberk
[17:40] <ozbrk_> hey
[17:40] <ozbrk_> yeap
[17:40] <ozbrk_> there is a private file in my home
[17:40] <ozbrk_> but who created it
[17:41] <ozbrk_> O.O
[17:41] <ozbrk_> I'm in the private file now
[17:41] <ozbrk_> and
[17:41] <ozbrk_> ECRYPTFS_FNEK_ENCRYPTED.FWZgnRaXG98CDUT8wtxpQkCcFKey0LydzJ6ywEvsP5V5Otet8ltciC9NBU--
[17:42] <ozbrk_> what are those things
[17:42] <utusan> got to go
[17:42] <ozbrk_> ok
[17:42] <ozbrk_> take care
[17:45] <krasnozer> re, i just installed 13.10 and the screen doesn't password lock anymore after blanking or hibernation, any idea how I fix this? there is a "lock after waking up" check box in xfce4-power-manager but it has no effect
[17:48] <melodie> no idea
[18:16] <RouricK> hello :) does docky play well in lubuntu?
[18:16] <RouricK> im new
[18:18] <SonikkuAmerica> RouricK: Almost anything plays well in Lubuntu...
[18:19] <phillw> RouricK: have a read of http://askubuntu.com/questions/54008/whats-the-best-lightweight-dock-for-lubuntu
[18:19] <RouricK> ahh ok ty :)
[18:26] <melodie> I have a question : is Ubuntu Saucy also going to spread out so soon? :D
[19:03] <melodie> bbl
[19:29] <ZeThomas> hello, i have issues installing lubuntu on my new laptop from usb: I get the splash for a very long time, and when I press <Esc>, I see a load of text with finally "error reading /lik/udev/hwdb.bin: No such file or directory"
[19:30] <melodie> ZeThomas you can ignore this message
[19:30] <melodie> what else about the scrolling?
[19:31] <melodie> ZeThomas and exactly what kind of machine is this new laptop?
[19:32] <melodie> does it use uefi? which brand and model motherboard, graphics, processor ?
[19:33] <ZeThomas> melodie, it's a medion akoya E1318T, amd a4-1200 processor amd radeon hd 8180 graphics
[19:33] <melodie> does it use UEFI instead of classic BIOS ?
[19:33] <ZeThomas> uses uefi, and i added /EFI/boot/*.efi as safe
[19:34] <melodie> did you check the md5sum after downloading the ISO and what tool did you use to prepare the USB stick ?
[19:35] <ZeThomas> i used unetbootin
[19:35] <melodie> and about the md5sum?
[19:36] <ZeThomas> melodie: it checks out
[19:38] <melodie> ZeThomas I have to take a look at the specs of your machine on the web. one more question for now : have you installed ubuntu or any linux box successfully on this machine before or is it your first try?
[19:38] <ZeThomas> no it is my first try
[19:39] <melodie> ZeThomas ok, then you should check some items in the uefi/bios section
[19:39] <melodie> I have to do a research to tell you what
[19:40] <ZeThomas> melodie, here is a picture of the last it shows: http://imgur.com/xaaRbX7
[19:41] <wxl> ZeThomas: did you check the md5sum of the usb itself
[19:42] <melodie> wxl have you looked at his pic?
[19:42] <melodie> give up
[19:42] <melodie> ZeThomas the kernel does not like your hardware
[19:42]  * melodie is thinking
[19:43] <ZeThomas> can I make it like my hw?
[19:43] <wxl> melodie: yep
[19:44] <wxl> ZeThomas: first check the md5sum of the usb itself
[19:44] <ZeThomas> wxl how do I do that?
[19:45] <ZeThomas> (wxl I am on lubuntu on my other machine as well; i have a terminal open)
[19:47] <melodie> ZeThomas what is your usb device ? /dev/sdb ? /dev/sdc ?
[19:47] <melodie> you can do "md5sum /dev/sdb" or else if it's else
[19:47] <wxl> ZeThomas: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check_the_CD
[19:47] <wxl> just apply that to your particular device
[19:47] <melodie> wxl is a usb stick also ok for md5sum-ing?
[19:48] <melodie> I've never tried that
[19:48] <wxl> melodie is WRONG. do not do md5sum device
[19:48] <melodie> wxl this is what I do with CDROM's then it works fine
[19:48] <ZeThomas> I found the page, am now running the script on that page
[19:48] <wxl> melodie: i quote: "
[19:48] <wxl> "this will almost NEVER be the same hash as the iso image that was burned to the disk, because this command includes the empty space at the end of the disk, which changes the hash. So you must check only the part of the disk that was on the iso.
[19:48] <melodie> wxl no need to shout btw
[19:48] <wxl> "
[19:48] <wxl> melodie: OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:48] <wxl> ;)
[19:49] <melodie> :)
[19:49] <wxl> dd never fails
[19:49] <wxl> dd is your best friend
[19:49] <wxl> dd and grep and sed and awk. and that's all you need.
[19:49] <melodie> well on CDROM's I always had the right result, provided I let the cdrom cool down after the burning process
[19:49] <Unit193> wxl: rsync?
[19:49] <wxl> that's why it says *almost* never
[19:49] <melodie> wxl dd is a horrible way of destroying the file system of a usb stick, even if that works :)
[19:50] <wxl> Unit193: well if we're going to get technical there's ssh and tmux and… ;)
[19:50] <ZeThomas> i ran the script, and it failed
[19:50] <wxl> melodie: only if you don't use it right
[19:50] <wxl> ZeThomas: sounds like you need to do over
[19:50] <ZeThomas> ok, on it
[19:50] <wxl> btw i've had best luck with unetbootin so i do recommend that
[19:50] <melodie> wxl too much talking here, I can't follow anymore
[19:51] <melodie> wxl that's what ZeThomas used
[19:51] <wxl> melodie: right, i was suggesting he continue to
[19:51] <wxl> melodie: also dd is a wonderful tool for saving failed filesystems. again, you have to know how to wield it.
[19:54] <melodie> wxl I'd suggest ZeThomas to visit the UEFI because some parts might need to be deactivated
[19:55] <wxl> melodie: i think it's unlikely. shouldn';t have booted at all.
[19:56] <ZeThomas> wxl: i ran unetbootin again, and again the check fails...
[19:56] <ZeThomas> what am i doing wrong?
[19:56] <melodie> wxl you mistake
[19:57] <melodie> uefi does not prevent from booting, and all UEFI are not exactly the same
[19:57] <melodie> ZeThomas what you did wrong is buy a machine with uefi XD
[19:57] <wxl> ZeThomas: don't listen to her
[19:57] <melodie> and untested in the Ubuntu circles
 ZeThomas: don't listen to her // +1
[19:58] <melodie> I was joking, but you should have a look into your uefi
[19:58] <ZeThomas> melodie: this is on my other machine, uefi has nothing to do with unetbootin creating a disk with different md5...
[19:58] <wxl> ZeThomas: btw that script has to be re-written to include your device and not cdrom
[19:58] <melodie> I look for some information about a setup to deactivate
[19:58] <wxl> that may be the cause of the fail
[19:58] <Unit193> I did an install on UEFI, pretty sure secure boot too, and it wasn't too bad.
 melodie: this is on my other machine, uefi has nothing to do with unetbootin creating a disk with different md5... // I don't know why your usb stick would not boot after you created it with Unetbootin
[19:59] <wxl> i'd say that uefi is a hurdle that linux has largely jumped over
[19:59] <ZeThomas> wxl: i run it as it should: "./checkmd5.sh ./Downloads/lubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso /dev/sdc1"
[19:59] <melodie> leave the md5sum alone and try your usb stick on another machine
[19:59] <wxl> ZeThomas: oh yeah didn't notice the $2 conditional
[20:00] <melodie> wxl you can't argue with a large experience of that, I did have only one experience with that so far and it has not been easy to find out how to set it up
[20:00] <Unit193> unetbootin is a special cookie, it does weird things at times with devices, it doesn't keep the boot from the ISO.
[20:01] <melodie> ZeThomas have you considered trying Creator USB GTK which is installed in Ubuntu ?
[20:01] <melodie> Unit193 just gave me the idea, by saying Unetbootin is not always that safe to use
[20:02] <ZeThomas> melodie I have, but when i wanted to install it i saw the dependency list... :s So I stayed away from it for now
[20:02] <melodie> ZeThomas which Ubuntu version are you running apart from Saucy ?
[20:03] <ZeThomas> the lubuntu on this computer here is 13.04
[20:07] <ZeThomas> ok, i booted it without splash quiet in the grub command, it seems to boot normal up to a certain point (I get to the list where you get the [OK]'s on the right side), and then suddenly the screen blanks, and the computer responds to nothing
[20:08] <melodie> ZeThomas have you redone the USB stick? Have you tried it on another machine ? You might want to do both
[20:08] <Unit193> I haven't been fully following along, you did try with nomodeset?
[20:08] <ZeThomas> not to ctrl-alt-del, not even to REISUB
[20:08] <Unit193> !nomodeset
[20:09] <melodie> Unit193 have you seen the pic ZeThomas has taken? that was kernel failure
[20:10] <melodie> http://i.imgur.com/xaaRbX7.jpg
[20:10] <melodie> ZeThomas do you want me to try to help you?
[20:11] <melodie> Unit193 is nomodeset fit for gpus such as  radeon hd 8180 graphics ?
[20:11] <ZeThomas> melodie yes please; it's driving me nuts
[20:13] <ZeThomas> Unit193, melodie: nomodeset does the job :)
[20:13] <Unit193> ZeThomas: Great!
[20:13] <ZeThomas> I am in the installation screen, will report further on how it goes if I get problems
[20:14] <melodie> ZeThomas great!
[20:14] <ZeThomas> If I can help out by providing you with any details for future reference, please let me know!
[20:14] <melodie> Unit193 congrats, you found the solution for ZeThomas !
[20:14] <melodie> ZeThomas I'll ping the guys at the ubuntu fr doc to tell them
[20:16] <ianorlin> on the alternate iso 64 bit torrent still links to raring
[20:23] <Unit193> SergioMeneses, phillw ^
[20:23] <phillw> ianorlin: I'll go check :)
[20:24] <phillw> ianorlin: all the alternates do... I'm editing now!
[20:27] <ianorlin> crud started from download mirror though
[20:31] <phillw> ianorlin: should all be corrected... got missed in the proof reading.. Sorry :(
[20:32] <rourickj> hi again :)
[20:33] <rourickj> fresh install 13.10 working gr8. i have 1 question...
[20:34] <melodie> only 1? :D
[20:34] <rourickj> installed docky on every boot i got a shadow about 1/4 of screen any idea
[20:36] <rourickj> is it xcompmgr doing it
[20:36] <melodie> rourickj are u sure it's installed?
[20:36] <melodie> usually transparency is provided by libcairo, isn't it?
[20:36] <rourickj> yes i get the cool affect's n all working gr8
[20:37] <melodie> so you would like to tweak it better?
[20:37] <rourickj> no, it's fine just on reboot i got a shadow taking up part of screen..
[20:37] <rourickj> until i reload docky it goes away
[20:38] <rourickj> not big deal
[20:38] <rourickj> not really bothering me much
[20:39] <rourickj> just never had issue like this
[20:41]  * melodie hands compton to rourickj https://github.com/chjj/compton
[20:42] <rourickj> melodie: ty i will read this :)
[20:43] <melodie> :)
[20:43] <rourickj> i've been a mint xfce user few month's now wanted something lighter
[20:44] <melodie> rourickj there is a ppa if you want to try it: https://launchpad.net/~richardgv/+archive/compton
[20:44] <rourickj> and 13.04 was really ugly for me, i had many problems
[20:44] <rourickj> but 13.10 so far gr8
[20:44] <melodie> I gave it a fast try on a few days and switched back to 12.04
[20:45] <rourickj> so i only have like 3-4month's linux experience but i'm learning ;)
[20:45] <ianorlin> I have maybe a little more than you
[20:46] <melodie> great!
[20:46] <rourickj> i been distro hoping a lot, gettin tired of it
[20:46] <melodie> many of us have, at least to learn more, better, faster, satisfy curiosity...
[20:46] <rourickj> right
[20:48] <rourickj> melodie: well ty i'ma reboot see what happens now
[21:03] <zombiehoffa> so is there a do-releases-upgrade log somewhere? the error "an unresolvable problem occurred while calulating the upgrage." is pretty much as useful as just failing without any error.
[21:14] <phillw> zombiehoffa: just asking,.... please give a few minutes for a reply... Trying to find someone in the release party :)
[21:14] <Unit193> ...What?
[21:14] <Unit193> zombiehoffa: /var/log/  will have it.
[21:16] <phillw> Unit193: thanks!
[21:17] <phillw> zombiehoffa: /var/log/dist-upgrade will have it
[21:22] <zombiehoffa> ok, so I have a bunch of broken one but the appear to have solutions.
[21:22] <zombiehoffa> Is it the last think it tried to install that broke it?
[21:25] <ZeThomas> ok melodie, Unit193, the install seemed to go flawless, but if I boot now, it takes me to tty1, with only a few messages (ends with "Stopping Mount network filesystems   [OK]")
[21:26] <ZeThomas> after that I can log in (on tty1), but ctrl-alt-F7 only gives me a blank screen...
[21:26] <ZeThomas> correction: and a flickering cursor
[21:27] <melodie> ZeThomas you will need to add the nomodeset option to the kernel line in the grub.cfg configuration file
[21:29] <ZeThomas> ok melodie, where is that located?
[21:29] <melodie> ZeThomas it is under /boot/grub
[21:30] <melodie> you have to be very careful while editing
[21:30] <melodie> I suggest you install mc from within your tty
[21:30] <melodie> sudo apt-get install mc
[21:30] <melodie> then you type:
[21:30] <melodie> sudo mcedit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:30] <melodie> then you look where the boot line of the kernel is located
[21:30] <melodie> if unsure, you quit and you go look at the docs
[21:31] <melodie> to quit it's F2
[21:31] <melodie> no
[21:31] <melodie> to quit it's F10
[21:31] <ZeThomas> (melodie: don't want to start any editor-flame-war, but I'm already installing vim :-D )
[21:31] <melodie> F2 is for saving the changes
[21:31] <melodie> ZeThomas ok if you are comfortable with vim it's fine too
[21:31] <melodie> mcedit is easier because all is written down the screen
[21:31] <melodie> and there is no special trick
[21:32] <melodie> once the option added you need to update grub
[21:32] <melodie> I think the command for this is "sudo grub-update"
[21:32] <zombiehoffa> Broken lubuntu-desktop:amd64 Depends on usb-creator-gtk [ amd64 ] < none -> 0.2.50 > ( admin )
[21:32] <zombiehoffa>   Considering usb-creator-gtk:amd64 0 as a solution to lubuntu-desktop:amd64 9999
[21:32] <zombiehoffa>  Try to Re-Instate (3) libnm-gtk0:amd64
[21:32] <zombiehoffa> Done
[21:32] <zombiehoffa> Can't install 'lubuntu-desktop'
[21:32] <zombiehoffa> That's a weird one
[21:32] <ZeThomas> ok, eum where do I need to look in the file? I'm no bash-hero...
[21:35] <melodie> ZeThomas you will need to look at the docs on the web
[21:36] <melodie> ZeThomas I found this one: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html
[21:36] <melodie> there are probably good ones at the ubuntu wiki too
[21:37] <melodie> ZeThomas How to set NOMODESET and other kernel boot options in grub2 - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[21:38] <melodie> ZeThomas forget grub.cfg, there is a better way show here: "How to permanently set kernel boot options on an installed OS (not wubi)"
[21:39] <melodie> in the same url as above
[21:39] <melodie> "sudo vim /etc/default/grub"
[21:39] <Unit193> Just edit /etc/default/grub...
[21:39] <melodie> and change it here:
[21:39] <melodie> change this:
[21:39] <melodie> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[21:39] <melodie> for this:
[21:39] <melodie> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"
[21:40] <melodie> save the change, exit
[21:40] <melodie> then update grub
[21:40] <melodie> sudo update-grub
[21:41] <melodie> have to go now, good luck and good night!
[21:46] <ZeThomas> Unit193, I added the nomodeset, but the problem persists... only a flickering cursor on C-A-F7, ttys1-6 work normal
[22:22] <rourickj> hi :)
[22:27] <rourickj> if i do...
[22:27] <rourickj> /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[22:27] <rourickj> and add @usr/bin/compton
[22:27] <rourickj> is that correct way?
[22:28] <wxl> rourickj: that would work but that has potential for getting overwritten next time you update
[22:28] <rourickj> what i'm trying 2 get @ is having it autostart for docky
[22:28] <wxl> theoretically you should be using ~/.config
[22:28] <rourickj> wxl: oh ok
[22:29] <wxl> also /usr/bin/compton not usr/bin/compton :)
[22:29] <rourickj> ok :)
[22:29] <rourickj> <new
[22:29] <Unit193> Yep, with ~/.compton.conf in your home.
[22:29] <wxl> you're good
[22:29] <wxl> Unit193: does ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart work again?
[22:30] <wxl> …or maybe ~/.config/openbox/autostart
[22:30] <rourickj> i tried that and added @docky
[22:30] <rourickj> no luck
[22:30] <rourickj> openbox ok
[22:30] <Unit193> wxl: I use xdg style.  ~/.config/autostart/compton.desktop, for example.
[22:31] <wxl> Unit193: yeah i don't like making .desktops if i don't have to
[22:32] <rourickj> so may i ask how do i get into ~/.config/autostart/
[22:32] <phillw> is http://lubuntublog.blogspot.co.uk/p/compton.html of any use? (Do say if not and I'll go nag Rafael to update it!)
[22:32] <rourickj> ty
[22:32] <rourickj> i tried that link
[22:32] <rourickj> i had no luck with 13.10 autostart
[22:33] <Unit193> There was some form of forum post trying to create a basic config file for LXDE/Xfce.
[22:34] <phillw> Unit193: autostart has changed... Can't lay my hands on it, but I do recall it being mentioned. I'm not an 'eye candy' person so paid little attention to it.
[22:36] <rourickj> sorry 2 bug u guys....
[22:36] <rourickj> do i wanna
[22:36] <rourickj> sudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[22:36] <rourickj> then add
[22:36] <rourickj> ~/.config/autostart/compton.desktop
[22:37] <wxl> technically, no
[22:37] <wxl> gksudo
[22:37] <rourickj> do i need @ in beg.? of my command
[22:38] <rourickj> wxl: ok i will do gksudo
[22:38] <phillw> !gksudo | rourickj
[22:39] <rourickj> ubottu: hey ty :)
[22:39] <Hundred> the newest version?
[22:40] <rourickj> lol a bot ok cool
[22:40] <phillw> Hundred: "the newest version?" ????
[22:40] <Hundred> gksudo?
[22:40] <phillw> rourickj: it has factoids, saves us typing it all out :)
[22:41] <phillw> Hundred: works fine on my 13.10 :) Asks for password and launches.
[22:42] <Hundred> are there any noticeable differences between 13.10 and the others
[22:44] <phillw> Hundred: have a read of the release notes, it may explain the differences for you. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#SaucySalamander.2BAC8-ReleaseNotes.2BAC8-CommonInfrastructure-1.Installation
[22:44] <phillw> ooh, I do have a shorter link for that if it doesn't work!
[22:45] <Hundred> do you personally notice any difference
[22:46] <phillw> Hundred: I've been running it since the alpha 1 came out. the major changes are noted at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#New_Features_in_Lubuntu_13.10
[22:47] <phillw> So, I'm not the best person to ask if i have noticed differences... for low RAM machines browsing, they will not suffer Chromium OOPS errors to the degree we were having with the switch to Firefox etc.
[22:50] <zleap> http://www.thensavideo.com/
[22:50] <zleap> phillw, i put a blog post on my site and the dclug site about the release
[22:50] <zleap> not that many people follow but i know matt lee in boston does, so he may be able to re-tweet it
[22:50] <zleap> chat later
[22:56] <phillw> Hundred: have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynk0CNS4hPg it's an 3rd part review for our Beta 2.
[22:56] <phillw> *3rd party*