| === SonikkuAmerica2 is now known as SonikkuAmerica | ||
| blob4000 | good evening! i have a 13.04 test machine and i'd love to upgrade it to 13.10 early. what's the best way? i'd like it to also be updated to 13.10 final tomorrow evening | 03:01 |
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| wilee-nilee | blob4000, set the software sources as all updates | 03:02 |
| blob4000 | thanks! | 03:02 |
| wilee-nilee | the upgrade will show in the update manager | 03:03 |
| johnjohn101 | blob4000: going to be very slow. good luck | 03:04 |
| blob4000 | nice. 2gb | 03:04 |
| blob4000 | :D | 03:04 |
| wilee-nilee | I would do it now or wait a couple of days if you set on a upgrade rather than a fresh install. | 03:05 |
| === SonikkuAmerica is now known as S-USA|Gone | ||
| pip__ | any idea how AMD graphics are with gnome shell in saucy? | 09:44 |
| rwsq1 | is there a saucy release party irc channel? | 10:24 |
| elfy | #ubuntu-release I think | 10:25 |
| ikonia | #ubuntu-release-party | 10:26 |
| elfy | thanks ikonia - you can tell how often I've gone there in the last 7 years :p | 10:26 |
| rwsq1 | thanks | 10:26 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 10:59 |
| === ExtremeDevilz is now known as iKillCypher | ||
| ikonia | www.ann-tech.com | 11:26 |
| ikonia | oops | 11:27 |
| ikonia | sorry | 11:27 |
| lem1310 | hi all, just testing 13.10 (updated just now to latest packages), and i | 12:00 |
| lem1310 | err.. i've come across what i believe to be a regression in the way scrolling works | 12:02 |
| lem1310 | nautilus, gedit and update-manager wont respond to mousewheel scroll events unless their windows are focused and the mouse pointer is located above them | 12:03 |
| lem1310 | gnome-terminal and firefox on the other hand will scroll if their window is focused (regardless of the location of the mouse pointer), or if unfocused they will scroll if the mouse pointer is above their window | 12:04 |
| lem1310 | gnome-terminal and firefox are the way it's always been. nautilus, gedit and update-manager seem to be doing it the windows way.. which has always infuriated me | 12:04 |
| lem1310 | still, any suggestions what package to file a bug against? | 12:04 |
| brainwash | lem1310: default ubuntu with unity? | 12:08 |
| lem1310 | yep indeed, everything default | 12:09 |
| lem1310 | i've installed nvidia-319-updates, but i doubt the nvidia driver has anything to do with it | 12:10 |
| brainwash | so maybe "unity7" is the right package to file a report against | 12:10 |
| lem1310 | sounds like a good idea.. as a general "desktop bug" package, thanks | 12:11 |
| brainwash | mmh, just curious, can you reproduce the issue if you start gedit like this from a terminal window "LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 gedit"? | 12:12 |
| lem1310 | let me test | 12:15 |
| lem1310 | yes, same behaviour, so it doesn't appear related to the overlay scrollbar | 12:16 |
| brainwash | ok =S | 12:16 |
| adeligen | So what's Mir's final status in 13.10? I know xMir got pulled, but is it there to try out? | 12:20 |
| Stanley00 | !release | 12:27 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 12:27 |
| Stanley00 | !saucy | 12:27 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) will be the 19th release of Ubuntu. Announcement: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1252 - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1. Release date will be 17th October 2013. | 12:27 |
| exalt | Hello, i have installed 13.10 on an optimus laptop | 13:04 |
| exalt | anything special i have to do for nvidia driver ? | 13:04 |
| nickoe | decide what nvidia driver to install | 13:10 |
| nickoe | err use | 13:10 |
| === melter_ is now known as melter | ||
| === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to #ubuntu+1, the channel for discussion of pre-release versions of Ubuntu. Consider this unstable and will probably break in some way. | 13.10 has been released!! http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule | ||
| DJones | That topic looks slightly dodgy, "Consider this unstable and will probably break in some way. 13.10 has been released" | 13:30 |
| BluesKaj | so what has Mark Shuttleworth decided on as a name for 14.04 ? | 13:37 |
| elfy | totally tuesday | 13:38 |
| Pici | Tooty Tortoise | 13:39 |
| BluesKaj | ok , thougfht it would be trotting terapin | 13:41 |
| philinux | BluesKaj: UDS next month | 13:42 |
| philinux | How can we tell if ZSWAP is active in the kernel | 13:44 |
| md70 | i need a torrent link for ubuntu 13:10 64 bit download plz | 14:05 |
| BluesKaj | md google is your friend | 14:05 |
| philinux | md70: scroll to bottom for alternative. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop | 14:09 |
| eagles0513875 | hey guys I am having some audio issues basically kmix is showing i have audio all the way up not muted yet nothign is playing out of the speakers any ideas | 14:09 |
| eagles0513875 | md70: you could always do a network upgrade too | 14:10 |
| md70 | guys .. i noticed when download 64 bit it is about 900 MB and direct download for same file is about 800 >> whats wrong? | 14:11 |
| eagles0513875 | md70: are you downloading the dvd | 14:12 |
| BluesKaj | eagles0513875. what's alsamixer show , or your audio setup in system settings | 14:12 |
| md70 | i download ubuntu 13.10 64 bit torrent | 14:12 |
| eagles0513875 | md70: it probably is set to download the dvd | 14:12 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: im not seeing anythign regarding audio in system settings | 14:13 |
| BluesKaj | eagles0513875. are you on kubuntu? | 14:13 |
| eagles0513875 | yes | 14:13 |
| eagles0513875 | 13.10 | 14:13 |
| BluesKaj | multimedia | 14:13 |
| eagles0513875 | seeing as there isnt a kubuntu+1 this is the only place i could join to ask | 14:13 |
| BluesKaj | system settings>multimedia | 14:14 |
| eagles0513875 | found it | 14:14 |
| eagles0513875 | what section do i look at cuz everything seems normal as i never changed anythign there | 14:14 |
| md70 | eagles0513875: that is complete suite? | 14:14 |
| eagles0513875 | md70: never downloaded the dvd before | 14:15 |
| eagles0513875 | i create bootable usb's so i have a program which downloads the iso and necessary files for me onto the usb | 14:15 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: im not sure if this happened because of some updates or because i had my headphones plugged in and unplugged them | 14:15 |
| BluesKaj | eagles0513875. audio/video settings >device preference | 14:15 |
| md70 | eagles0513875, why kubuntu not ubuntu? | 14:16 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: im there already | 14:16 |
| eagles0513875 | md70: cant get used to unity | 14:16 |
| eagles0513875 | and its layout | 14:16 |
| eagles0513875 | i like the look of kde really and its something i started used when i first started linux | 14:16 |
| eagles0513875 | started using linux | 14:16 |
| md70 | eagles0513875: is it faster than gnome? | 14:16 |
| md70 | ok | 14:17 |
| eagles0513875 | md70: really its personal preference | 14:17 |
| eagles0513875 | i have a monster of a laptop where its rather zippy so it also depends on ones hardware | 14:17 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: now i have no audio coming out of the headphones either :( | 14:17 |
| BluesKaj | intel-hda audio , eagles0513875? | 14:18 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller (rev 06) | 14:19 |
| eagles0513875 | O_o i didnt know their audio controllers were xeon based | 14:19 |
| philinux | md70: normal download is about 890 torrent is 925 . Not dvd but small discrepancy | 14:19 |
| md70 | philinux: big difference or they all the same? | 14:20 |
| nickoe | md70: torrents as ususal, http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/ | 14:20 |
| philinux | md70: same just a small diff in size - not sure why | 14:20 |
| BluesKaj | eagles0513875. ok , run sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , then reboot | 14:20 |
| md70 | it is torrent 925 MB :) | 14:21 |
| philinux | yep came up as 925 here. go for it | 14:21 |
| eagles0513875 | brb | 14:21 |
| philinux | normal download was 883 | 14:21 |
| eagles0513875 | thats downloading the dvd image for sure | 14:21 |
| eagles0513875 | brb | 14:22 |
| philinux | nah not dvd image | 14:22 |
| philinux | they bust the cd limit yonks back | 14:22 |
| philinux | the iso has to go on a dvd or usb stick now | 14:22 |
| philinux | md70: eagles0513875 if you want the dvd version it pretty big http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/ | 14:24 |
| philinux | 2.4 GIG | 14:25 |
| md70 | philinux: does DVD contain much software? | 14:26 |
| md70 | same performance? | 14:26 |
| md70 | its ubuntu studio not ubuntu | 14:27 |
| philinux | md70: I dont think they do a regular ubuntu dvd version https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&hs=fm&channel=fs&gl=uk&q=ubuntu+13.10+dvd+version&oq=ubuntu+13.10+dvd+version&gs_l=serp.3...7259.8179.0.8588.2.2.0.0.0.0.123.232.0j2.2.0....0...1c.1.29.serp..2.0.0._GziBUAmxXM | 14:28 |
| philinux | md70: just get the regular torrent | 14:29 |
| exalt | hey an install of nvidia-319 dropped my theme back the the gtk fallback theme | 14:29 |
| md70 | thats what i do philinux | 14:29 |
| philinux | md70: good plan | 14:29 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: no luck :( | 14:33 |
| BluesKaj | got speaker sound eagles0513875? | 14:33 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: no | 14:33 |
| bjsnider | exalt, you're probably not using nvidia then | 14:34 |
| BluesKaj | eagles0513875. make sure your audio outputs are setup in system settings>multimedia>audio/video settings >device preference , then check the hardware tab ,and setup the outputs to coincide with the preferences | 14:35 |
| exalt | bjsnider: i think i am, can i poste a quote from a website which states the problem probabbly better than i do ? | 14:36 |
| bjsnider | if it's terse | 14:36 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: they worked fine | 14:36 |
| eagles0513875 | with the defaults | 14:36 |
| exalt | bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6251316/ | 14:37 |
| bjsnider | yeah, i don't know what that is | 14:38 |
| bjsnider | run dkms status | 14:38 |
| BluesKaj | eagles0513875. ?? when now or before ? | 14:38 |
| bjsnider | and lsmod|grep nvidia | 14:38 |
| SuperLag | Who's up for some 14.04 :) | 14:38 |
| eagles0513875 | no no this morning | 14:38 |
| * SuperLag hides | 14:38 | |
| exalt | dkms status: nvidia-319, 319.32, 3.11.0-12-generic, x86_64: installed | 14:39 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: i did install xen | 14:39 |
| eagles0513875 | i wonder if that could have done something | 14:39 |
| exalt | lsmod: nvidia 9430350 39 | 14:39 |
| SuperLag | exalt: having Nvidia issues? | 14:39 |
| bjsnider | exalt, i doubt whatever your issue is has anything to do with nvidia | 14:40 |
| exalt | SuperLag: well a very strange one! | 14:40 |
| SuperLag | I'm going to defer to bjsnider here. | 14:40 |
| exalt | defer ? | 14:40 |
| SuperLag | I am definitely having kernel and/or Nvidia issues. | 14:40 |
| BluesKaj | eagles0513875., let's see if the module is even loaded , cat /proc/asound/modules | 14:40 |
| exalt | SuperLag: you got an optimus system ? | 14:41 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: 0 snd_hda_intel 1 snd_hda_intel | 14:41 |
| BluesKaj | eagles0513875. make sure you don't have muted vols in alsamixer | 14:42 |
| SuperLag | exalt: yes.... however I do not have Optimus enabled. I have a ThinkPad W530, and I set video to "Discrete" which *only* uses Nvidia. | 14:42 |
| bjsnider | that's the best way to use it | 14:42 |
| bjsnider | if you have that option. some don't | 14:42 |
| exalt | wait ill reboot, ill set it to discrete | 14:43 |
| exalt | maybe it changes | 14:43 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: :-/ one of the options wasnt showing as muted in kmix but when i brought up the full mixer the other option was muted :-/ | 14:43 |
| SuperLag | bjsnider: yeah, well... current Nvidia and latest Ubuntu kernel in 13.10 do not work. My system is black on boot. Uninstall Nvidia, and use nouveau... and all is good. | 14:43 |
| SuperLag | bjsnider: thing is... it doesn't even get to a point where i can SSH in and look at logs to find out what is going on *while* it is happening | 14:43 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: operator error lol | 14:44 |
| bjsnider | SuperLag, what is the exact version, is it 319? | 14:44 |
| SuperLag | yep | 14:44 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: want to know whats really annoying it seems like each app spawns a new control in the mixer to adjust volume | 14:44 |
| BluesKaj | eagles0513875. yup , but always chaeck alsamixer rather than kmix , alsa shows what;s really going on | 14:44 |
| eagles0513875 | at least in terms of firefox it uses an alsa plugin container which is very annoying as i cant use the main audio control in kmix to manage the levels | 14:44 |
| eagles0513875 | i dont even have alsa mixer installed | 14:45 |
| SuperLag | bjsnider: let me pull out that laptop, so I can get you exact info. (on my MBP, currently) | 14:45 |
| bjsnider | if you install the driver i'll bet you can successfully modprobe it | 14:45 |
| BluesKaj | it's alsamixer not alsa mixer | 14:45 |
| eagles0513875 | BluesKaj: dont even have that installed all i have is kmixer | 14:46 |
| BluesKaj | alsamixer in the terminal , eagles0513875 | 14:46 |
| BluesKaj | it's installed by default | 14:46 |
| eagles0513875 | oh | 14:47 |
| SuperLag | bjsnider: is one install method to be preferred over another? (apt vs. "Additional Drivers" in the UI) | 14:47 |
| eagles0513875 | my bad | 14:47 |
| bjsnider | SuperLag, additional drivers | 14:47 |
| SuperLag | bjsnider: Okay. Forgot that I tried installing the xorg-edgers PPA as I've had good luck with them in the past.... so now it shows up to nvidia-331 as available. Should I ditch that PPA first? | 14:52 |
| SuperLag | bjsnider: while I have that PPA configured, no packages from it are currently installed | 14:53 |
| bjsnider | yes you should ppa-purge it | 14:53 |
| bjsnider | SuperLag, you mentioned a black screen. do you see the manufacturer's splash screen first? | 14:54 |
| SuperLag | bjsnider: I do. This is a Lenovo ThinkPad W530. I do indeed see the Lenovo splash screen first. | 14:55 |
| SuperLag | PPA purged. | 14:55 |
| bjsnider | ok | 14:55 |
| SuperLag | should I reboot? or is that overkill? | 14:55 |
| bjsnider | no | 14:55 |
| SuperLag | going back to "Additional Drivers" and 319 is the latest | 14:56 |
| SuperLag | nvidia-319 and nvidia-319-updates | 14:56 |
| SuperLag | nouveau is the current driver in use | 14:57 |
| bjsnider | yeah so p ick 319 | 14:57 |
| SuperLag | 319 or 319-updates? | 14:59 |
| bjsnider | 319 | 14:59 |
| BluesKaj | the 331 driver was giving me poor flash and mpeg playback , so i reverted to the 319 on my elcheapo 8400gs | 15:00 |
| BluesKaj | also some desktop 'artifacts' | 15:01 |
| bjsnider | artefacts | 15:01 |
| BluesKaj | all is well now | 15:01 |
| BluesKaj | afik it's artifacts | 15:02 |
| SuperLag | bjsnider: Okay. Installed. System says I need to restart to complete changes. You're saying just modprobe it? | 15:02 |
| bjsnider | yeah try that | 15:03 |
| SuperLag | FATAL: Module nvidia not found | 15:03 |
| bjsnider | k, reboot | 15:03 |
| SuperLag | Lenovo splash. Nice. I get a lightdm screen now, but it looks as if no nvidia is loaded. It's 640x480 | 15:05 |
| SuperLag | interesting | 15:06 |
| SuperLag | it does show as loaded | 15:06 |
| SuperLag | nvidia 9430350 0 | 15:06 |
| bjsnider | yeah try glxinfo | 15:07 |
| SuperLag | looks like that's not installed | 15:07 |
| bjsnider | mesa-utils | 15:07 |
| bjsnider | and grep renderer | 15:07 |
| SuperLag | OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.3, 256 bits) | 15:08 |
| BluesKaj | SuperLag. another thing to try is ,install dkms , then run, dkms status , to see which driver is loaded | 15:08 |
| SuperLag | two nvidia drivers loaded? | 15:09 |
| bjsnider | dkms is already installed or he couldn't have installed the blob | 15:09 |
| SuperLag | one for 3.11.0-11 and one for 3.11.0-12 | 15:09 |
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| bjsnider | ok, so you're using nouveau | 15:09 |
| SuperLag | (-generic) | 15:09 |
| SuperLag | they both say nvidia-319, nothing about nouveau | 15:10 |
| bjsnider | the renderer string says glx is being provided by nouveau | 15:10 |
| SuperLag | lsmod shows nothing about about nouveau | 15:10 |
| BluesKaj | yup , that weird | 15:10 |
| SuperLag | I'm confused | 15:10 |
| bjsnider | SuperLag, did you in the past use the nvidia-installer? | 15:11 |
| SuperLag | bjsnider: from nvidia.com? | 15:11 |
| SuperLag | No way. | 15:11 |
| SuperLag | only thing "outside the box" I did was that PPA | 15:11 |
| bjsnider | you've got to switch glx providers | 15:11 |
| bjsnider | i have to look up the command | 15:11 |
| bjsnider | SuperLag, update-alternatives --list i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf | 15:18 |
| SuperLag | one for mesa, one for nvidia | 15:19 |
| bjsnider | no, paste it | 15:19 |
| SuperLag | /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/ld.so.conf | 15:19 |
| SuperLag | /usr/lib/nvidia-319/alt_ld.so.conf | 15:19 |
| bjsnider | readlink /etc/alternatives/x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf | 15:20 |
| SuperLag | /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa/ld.so.conf | 15:21 |
| bjsnider | yeah this is probably to do with the hybrid graphics issue | 15:22 |
| BluesKaj | optimius | 15:22 |
| BluesKaj | ? | 15:22 |
| SuperLag | ugh... don't tell me I have to install bumblebee | 15:22 |
| SuperLag | I don't understand why this only became an issue, as of 3.11.0-11-generic | 15:23 |
| bjsnider | SuperLag, if you try to modprobe nouveau it says there's no such module right? | 15:23 |
| SuperLag | libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:791 kmod_module_insert_module: could not find module by name='off' | 15:25 |
| SuperLag | ERROR: could not insert 'off': Function not implemented | 15:25 |
| bjsnider | the nvidia packaging blacklists it. so you're using nvidia's kernel module with nouveau's gallium3d glx | 15:26 |
| bjsnider | very unique setup | 15:26 |
| SuperLag | so... in the alternatives output, nvidia was one of the options. Can you simply switch to that with update-alternatives? | 15:27 |
| bjsnider | i can give you the command that should switch glx links but why not just try apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-319 first | 15:27 |
| bjsnider | then repeat the readlink command afterwards | 15:27 |
| BluesKaj | SuperLag. check this out , http://askubuntu.com/questions/288581/how-to-install-nvidia-319-12-driver-on-an-optimus-system | 15:28 |
| bjsnider | well, he's got the intel chip switched off in the bios | 15:28 |
| bjsnider | so as far as the os is concerned it isn't optimus | 15:29 |
| SuperLag | yep | 15:29 |
| bjsnider | the result of the readlink command should be /usr/lib/nvidia-319/alt_ld.so.conf if it's done right | 15:30 |
| BluesKaj | well, turn it back on ,because my buddy used this tutorial and now he has switchable gpus and saves battery power like he should | 15:30 |
| SuperLag | bjsnider: :( | 15:31 |
| SuperLag | it only lists the mesa line this time | 15:31 |
| bjsnider | alright here's the command | 15:31 |
| bjsnider | sudo update-alternatives --force --install /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i386-linux-gnu_GL.conf i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf /usr/lib/nvidia-319/alt_ld.so.conf 8602 | 15:31 |
| bjsnider | that's right out of the postinst script | 15:31 |
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| SuperLag | should that be x86_64, rather than i386? | 15:34 |
| SuperLag | (since I'm running 64-bit) | 15:36 |
| bjsnider | yes | 15:36 |
| bjsnider | --install /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu_GL.conf x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf /usr/lib/nvidia-319/ld.so.conf 8602 | 15:37 |
| SuperLag | yeah... done. And readlink still shows mesa | 15:38 |
| SuperLag | root@beast ~ # readlink /etc/alternatives/x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf | 15:39 |
| SuperLag | /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa/ld.so.conf | 15:39 |
| bjsnider | hold on a sec | 15:39 |
| bjsnider | SuperLag, join #ubuntu-x | 15:41 |
| johnjohn101 | now 14.04 starts.. thanks... | 15:44 |
| rendero | !isitout | 15:46 |
| ubottu | Yeah, yeah | 15:46 |
| tekonivel | is this channel about 14.04 already? :) | 16:23 |
| neglesaks | one should think so | 16:23 |
| tekonivel | congratulations to everybody for a (yet another) awesome Ubuntu release <3 <3 | 16:24 |
| neglesaks | what are peoples impressions of Mir? | 16:24 |
| bazhang | its not used | 16:24 |
| bazhang | there is no 14.04 as of yet | 16:25 |
| neglesaks | oh | 16:25 |
| wastrel | now i have to go to #ubuntu to complain about 13.10 ;] | 16:25 |
| wastrel | gj every bunny ♥ u | 16:25 |
| tekonivel | wastrel: ;) | 16:25 |
| bazhang | wastrel, s/complain/bug fix/ | 16:26 |
| utusan | 14.04 is being worked on | 16:26 |
| bazhang | sure it is | 16:27 |
| bazhang | but there's nothing here for it | 16:27 |
| exalt | hello, i installed ubuntu on an optimuslaptop in discrete mode,i then installed nvidia-319 with nvidia-prime and rebooted, all i see is a blurredscreen. what do i do now ? | 16:29 |
| bjsnider | exalt, join #ubuntu-x | 16:39 |
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| tux_ | so hows touch on nexus 4 .. anyone? | 17:36 |
| tux_ | shit, wrong window | 17:36 |
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| sam113101 | where can I find the md5 sum of ubuntu 13.10 64 bits? | 21:02 |
| Pici | !hashes | sam113101 | 21:06 |
| ubottu | sam113101: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes for the md5sums of all downloadable Ubuntu releases | 21:06 |
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| SonikkuAmerica | So long and thanks for all the bugs! :) | 22:42 |
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