[03:10] <jose> jono: ping
[03:23] <SergioMeneses> good evening!!!
[03:24] <SergioMeneses> bkerensa, around?
[13:05] <jcastro> dholbach, I have 4 hours to prepare iirc?
[13:05] <dholbach> jcastro, 3
[13:05] <dholbach> brb
[13:05] <jcastro> ta
[13:05] <dholbach> → lunch
[13:09] <alourie> bkerensa: ping
[13:11] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[13:29] <jcastro> dholbach, I hope you are ready for my awesome
[13:29] <jcastro> my demo will be wicked
[13:42] <dpm> everyone's help in spreading the love will be appreciated -> http://developer.ubuntu.com/2013/10/a-new-mobile-force-emerges-announcing-ubuntu-13-10-for-smartphones/ :)
[13:42] <smartboyhw> dpm, G+-ing
[13:42] <dpm> \o/
[13:43] <smartboyhw> dpm, https://plus.google.com/113294244748214217005/posts/Pvey14wkzQf
[13:45] <smartboyhw> May all of us be happy for the release:)
[13:47] <dpm> everyone should be happy! \o/
[13:53]  * SergioMeneses hugs dpm 
[13:56]  * dpm hugs SergioMeneses
[13:57]  * smartboyhw hugs both dpm and SergioMeneses 
[14:04]  * dpm hugs smartboyhw back
[14:05]  * elfy suspects smartboyhw is squirming 
[14:05] <smartboyhw> elfy, well, I'm revising;P
[14:06] <SergioMeneses> elfy, jajaja
[14:07] <dpm> man, I'm just +1'ng everything on G+ today
[14:08] <smartboyhw> dpm, me tooP
[14:08] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:22] <jcastro> dholbach, hey ninja
[14:22] <jcastro> can you update ubuntuonair with the right times, etc so I can start spamming the planet to come see my demo?
[14:23] <dholbach> jcastro, sure, I'll update
[14:25] <dholbach> jcastro, done
[14:32] <bkerensa> dholbach: happy release day
[14:32] <dholbach> bkerensa, and the same to you
[14:34] <popey> \o/ Windows 8.1
[14:39] <bkerensa> popey: you troll us :)
[14:39] <popey> Moi!?
[14:40] <bkerensa> ;p
[14:40] <jcastro> popey, hey
[14:40] <jcastro> popey, what laptop do you use?
[14:40] <popey> BARK BARK BARK jcastro !
[14:40] <popey> you know
[14:40] <popey> X220
[14:40] <jcastro> oh right
[14:40] <jcastro> hey so I have an x230
[14:40] <popey> so you tell me
[14:40] <jcastro> do you have bluetooth on it?
[14:40] <popey> repeatedly
[14:41] <popey> i do
[14:41] <jcastro> do you have a PS3?
[14:41] <popey> i do not
[14:41] <jcastro> ok
[14:41] <jcastro> but you could get something like this:
[14:41] <jcastro> http://www.amazon.com/Playpad-Android-Bluetooth-PC-Mac-Linux/dp/B0092ZEINO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1382020893&sr=8-4&keywords=bluetooth+gamepad
[14:41] <jcastro> hey so I just realized, since I am getting on a plane tomorrow
[14:42] <jcastro> that if you have a controller and your laptop
[14:42] <jcastro> you have a portable steam box
[14:42] <jcastro> I know, common sense
[14:42] <jcastro> but it never dawned on me before that I could just game on the airplane, and then when you get off have your save games SYNC TO THE CLOUD
[14:44] <jcastro> popey, and I tried it yesterday, our laptop can run things like Half Life 2 Just fine!
[14:45] <popey> heh
[14:45] <popey> I purposely uninstalled all the games from my x220
[14:46] <popey> trying to keep them only on my desktop
[14:46] <popey> still have one or two on... for testing.. yeah, testing
[14:46] <jcastro> well that's fine
[14:46] <jcastro> because at home you can just stream them to your laptop
[14:46] <jcastro> that's my plan
[14:46] <jcastro> but that doesn't help wrt. being on a plane
[14:47] <popey> wifi on planes.. streaming games from home...
[14:47] <popey> hmmm
[14:50] <jcastro> I got a new nvidia card for my windows box and I'm going to leave that one in the closet
[14:50] <jcastro> to stream the windows games that won't be native on linux
[14:50] <jcastro> I am all in man, craigslisted my xbox and everything
[14:51] <jcastro> well, the meme this time is that there's nothing new in 13.10
[14:52] <jcastro> I wish the people complaining that we keep changing things would speak up, lol
[15:01] <smartboyhw> dholbach, when are we going to have ubuntu App dev week, open week, dev week, that sort of thing?
[15:01] <dholbach> smartboyhw, not sure - we should plan that at the next UDS
[15:01] <bkerensa> An early review of 13.10 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/ubuntu-13-10-review-the-linux-os-of-the-future-remains-a-year-away/
[15:02] <bkerensa> "Although Saucy Salamander offers some useful improvements, it’s a relatively thin update."
[15:02] <smartboyhw> It's true.
[15:03] <bkerensa> yeah
[15:03] <bkerensa> well thats going to be the norm unless Canonical grows imo
[15:03] <bkerensa> even foundations is doing mobile stuff
[15:03] <bkerensa> which was a eye raiser
[15:03] <bkerensa> "Canonical faced considerable criticism last year when it first introduced the built-in Amazon search feature. The newly expanded search system, and the manner in which it is implemented, will likely raise additional concerns."
[15:03] <bkerensa> hmm idk
[15:05] <elfy> give a dog a bone and it'll knaw - they never get bored with it
[15:09] <bkerensa> My assumption is that Ryan thinks possible more concerns would be raised because of the addition services that can be searched versus just Amazon but I dont think that expands concerns necessarily
[15:11] <elfy> my assumption is people rabbit on about something till they have something else
[15:11] <elfy> bored by them
[15:14] <popey> I've already seen people making assumptions about how it all works without reading the rather extensive spec.
[15:14] <popey> Also conflating smart scopes and error reporting.
[15:15] <elfy> I saw you seeing that
[15:15] <bkerensa> popey: I saw you seeing that yesterday :)
[15:16] <popey> hah
[15:16] <popey> I see you!
[15:47] <dholbach> jono, are you setting up the hangout and posting it on the interwebs?
[15:48] <jono> dholbach, I will get it up in a few mins
[15:48] <dholbach> awesome!
[15:51] <jcastro> jono, hey are you going to be in this hangout?
[15:51] <jono> jcastro, I am presenting it :-)
[15:51] <jcastro> excellent
[15:51] <jose> jono, dholbach: all set?
[15:52] <jcastro> hey so for my demo, you are starting your own guitar store, and I'm going to be your infrastructure guy
[15:52] <jcastro> basically just nod and play along, toss up horns on occassion
[15:54] <jono> jose, setting it now
[15:54] <jose> jono: let me know if I can help in any way
[15:54] <jono> dholbach, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f4a600e5a7b5679294cc56b340c7c8e691b43b65?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:54] <jono> dholbach, can you give it to all the people on the show
[15:54] <dholbach> jono, will do
[15:55] <jose> dholbach: airbot is running now, all the people you mentioned yesterday should have the ability to send AirBot !q and will give the next question in the queue
[15:56] <jose> all as long as they put QUESTION: in front
[16:02] <jose> jono: remember to enable your lower third
[16:06] <jono> jose, I can't
[16:06] <jono> I am using Chromium
[16:06] <jono> it doesnt work
[16:06] <jose> ah, well, nvm then
[16:09] <jose> jono: the link to ubuntu on air you posted to ubuntu on facebook is broken
[16:09] <jose> it says ubuntonair.com instead of ubuntuonair.com
[16:11] <jono> jose, fixed
[16:11] <jose> thanks
[16:12] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1ongc9/ubuntu_on_air_demos_of_1310_features_streaming_now/
[16:12] <popey> is the video supposed to be working?
[16:12] <popey> "Please stand by"
[16:13] <jose> popey: works now
[16:13] <popey> ok
[16:13] <popey> not here
[16:13] <popey> -> on air
[16:22] <jose> dholbach: subscribe to us, follow us on twitter
[16:34] <jose> jono: would you mind if I join by the end of the hangout, so I can talk a bit about the LC on this current cycle
[16:35] <jono> jose, this is focused on the 13.10 release
[16:35] <jono> and what is in it
[16:35] <jono> so I think we should keep it on topic there
[16:35] <daker> mhall119: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/ubuntu-layouts2.html (set DEBUG to False)
[16:35] <jose> well, community aside then
[16:36] <jono> jose, this is just about the technology
[16:36] <jono> but I think having a session in the future about the LC makes sense
[16:36] <jose> yeah, got it :)
[16:36] <jose> ofc, that'd be after the meeting we may have with your team
[16:37] <jono> cool
[16:45] <mhall119> daker: old link, where'd you get that?
[16:45] <daker> mhall119: google search
[16:46] <mhall119> daker: yeah, hopefully they'll update
[16:46] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/UbuntuUserInterfaceToolkit.ubuntu-layouts2/ is the equiv
[16:46] <daker> mhall119: i mean set Debug to False :)
[16:47] <bkerensa> mhall119: no community contributors on the release Ubuntu on Air?
[16:47] <mhall119> daker: ah, yeah, we'll do that eventually
[16:47] <mhall119> bkerensa: it's the same group as our regular weekly updates
[16:48] <bkerensa> mhall119: why not community contributors mixed with Canonical employees like previous releases have been since the inception of Ubuntu on Air?
[16:48] <bkerensa> just saying
[16:48] <mhall119> bkerensa: because this is just another edition of "Canonical people telling the community what we've been doing"
[16:49] <bkerensa> mhall119: you said :)
[16:50] <bkerensa> said it*
[16:50] <mhall119> it's hardly a privilege having to go on-air every week and give people a status update, I wouldn't want to burden any community folks with this
[16:50] <jose> maybe some of them want to do it, ask some of them? :)
[16:51] <jose> it's not that difficult saying 'I'm part of this team and we've done this'
[16:51] <bkerensa> mhall119:  based on PM's I have got it would seem some would have wanted to join but were not invited
[16:51] <bkerensa> just saying
[16:51] <mhall119> if anybody wants to we'd be happy to have them, just didn't think anybody would want to
[16:51] <bkerensa> :)
[16:51] <mhall119> bkerensa: please send those people to me, dholbach or jono
[16:51] <mhall119> jose: for some people it is, I'm still nervous about it every time
[16:53] <jose> after ubuntu on air, I'm not nervous anymore about getting on stage and talking in front of my school
[16:53] <jose> :P
[16:53] <mhall119> jose: lucky you, I don't think I'll ever not be nervous
[16:54] <jono> bkerensa, wow, you do get a lot of PMs ;-)
[16:54] <elfy> mhall119: I'm with you on that
[16:54] <jono> the Ubuntu version of TMZ
[16:54] <jono> lol
[16:54] <jono> :-)
[16:54] <bkerensa> jono: troll much?
[16:54] <jono> bkerensa, ironic :-)
[16:56] <jono> bkerensa, the point is, we didn't specifically exclude the community
[16:56] <jono> but we provided overviews of the key features in 13.10, most of which were led by the people on the hangout
[16:56] <bkerensa> jono: you just chose not to invite them to something created by the community
[16:56] <jono> bkerensa, define "created by the community"
[16:57] <bkerensa> jono: the first Ubuntu on Air session was created by a non-canonical employee and the first release day session was also facilitated by community
[16:57] <bkerensa> not your team
[16:57] <bkerensa> it was the same last release
[16:57] <jono> bkerensa, we are *all* in the community
[16:57] <jono> Canonical people included
[16:57] <bkerensa> jono: you are in the Canonical Community
[16:57] <bkerensa> :)
[16:58] <jono> bkerensa, I don't want to be rude, but I am tired of having the same discussion with yoyu
[16:58] <jono> I think our positions are clear with each other :-)
[16:58] <IdleOne> I believe all the people on jono's team started as non canonical employees
[16:58] <dholbach> bkerensa, we put this show together very very quickly
[16:58] <bkerensa> IdleOne: sure nobody is disputing that
[16:59] <bkerensa> IdleOne: but I think Jono's thoughts on what community is versus most is quite different
[16:59] <jose> jono: I can extend the session if you'd like
[16:59] <mhall119> Ubuntu On Air is open to anybody who wants to use it for a live session about Ubuntu
[16:59] <IdleOne> bkerensa: I get where you are coming from, but you could have easily went to jono and said "Hey, I'd like to come onair and talk about the release with you folks.
[17:00] <bkerensa> IdleOne: I dont want to be on air
[17:00] <bkerensa> IdleOne: others did ask and he said no
[17:00] <bkerensa> scrollback ^
[17:01] <IdleOne> perhaps there was a reason for the rejection you are not aware of?
[17:01] <mhall119> bkerensa: about the release from an engineering perspective?
[17:02] <bkerensa> mhall119: Your a release engineer now?
[17:03] <mhall119> practically yeah, this cycle
[17:03] <mhall119> everything about my update was engineering-focused
[17:03] <jose> jono: wait wait wait
[17:04] <jose> jono: subscribe to us at youtube.com/ubuntuonair, follow us on twitter at twitter.com/ubuntuonair
[17:04] <jono> jose, oops too late
[17:04] <mhall119> yes, don't forget to follow us!
[17:04] <mhall119> ^^
[17:04] <jono> I did mention the channel
[17:04] <jcastro> man, the release was too early
[17:04] <jono> jose, sorry, didnt realize you wanted me to say that
[17:04] <jono> will add it at the end of each show now
[17:04] <mhall119> jose: can we put links into the videos?  I see people do that all the time
[17:04] <jcastro> usually we have the hangout later in the afternoon
[17:04] <jcastro> you know
[17:04] <jcastro> WITH BEER.
[17:04] <jono> bkerensa, who asked to be on the show and I said no?
[17:05] <jose> mhall119: I'll go and do that
[17:05] <jose> no worries, jono
[17:05] <jono> the only person was jose, who I mentioned would be off topic, and jose was cool with that
[17:05] <mhall119> jose: can it be automated, or do we have to do it for each one?
[17:05] <jose> mhall119: I'll have to do it manually, but it's no problem for me
[17:06] <mhall119> jose: just don't want to give you more work
[17:06] <mhall119> I assume you sleep at least every other week
[17:06] <jcastro> I want the record to show that I didn't break the youtube link
[17:06] <jose> I'll make sure to add that too :P
[17:07] <jose> mhall119: I'm on 'vacation' now, so it's fun for me :)
[17:07] <mhall119> man, you rock so much :)
[17:17] <jono> thanks jose, many thanks for all your efforts!
[17:17] <jose> no worries, I'm here to help :)
[17:22] <jose> jono: hey, is there any response to the email I sent yesterday/
[17:22] <jose> ?
[17:22] <jono> jose, there will be
[17:22] <jono> sorry, release has disrupted things
[17:23] <jose> at the time/date we proposed?
[17:46] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/109001041694411321180/posts/67QKN6MpEpu
[17:46] <jcastro> yeah so
[17:46] <jcastro> that's not creepy or anything
[17:47] <bkerensa> jcastro: a diehard fan
[17:47] <bkerensa> jcastro: A charm scope would be cool :D
[17:47] <bkerensa> jcastro: I assume patches accepted?
[17:48] <jcastro> sure
[17:48] <jcastro> well, not me, mhall, I don't do scopes
[17:49] <jcastro> I also want/need a Steam scope too
[17:49] <mhall119> dude, you were the one who talked me into writing them back when they were "Places" remember?
[17:50] <jcastro> I am glad they didn't change the API this time
[17:50] <jcastro> dude I had to go through like 3 API transitions back in the day
[17:53] <mhall119> back in the day?  I went through 3 api transitions in one cycle!
[17:53] <bkerensa> I have to admit I like the smart scopes
[17:53] <mhall119> 12.10 -> 13.04, even though it didn't land in 13.04, partly because API kept drastically changing
[18:22] <bkerensa> dpm-afk: do you have the Translations contributor list?
[18:22] <bkerensa> for release notes credits
[22:31] <jose> pleia2: hey, mind a PM?
[22:32] <pleia2> jose: go for it
[22:53] <philipballew> jono, Are you able to have a hangout for a couple minutes sometime in the next few days?
[22:55] <jono> philipballew, sure
[22:55] <jono> lets figure out a time now
[22:55] <jono> one sec
[22:56] <bkerensa> philipballew: gj
[22:56] <philipballew> cool!
[22:56] <jono> philipballew, 10am?
[22:56] <jono> (Pacific)
[22:57] <philipballew> jono, tomorrow?
[22:57] <jono> philipballew, yup
[22:57] <philipballew> jono, yeah, I can do 10m. It should not take that long at all.
[22:57] <jono> sure!
[22:57] <jono> what did you want to discuss?
[22:58] <philipballew> A talk I am giving on Ubuntu in a few days and what Ubuntu stuff should be talked about/emphasized.
[22:59] <jono> philipballew, ahhh perfect :-)
[22:59] <jono> philipballew, thanks for taking the time to get out and speak -)
[22:59] <jono> :-)
[22:59] <philipballew> jono, No worries. someone has to hit the pavement
[23:00] <jono> :-)
[23:00] <jono> pleia2, enjoy tonight
[23:00] <pleia2> jono: thanks :)
[23:00] <jono> I was going to come along but my babysitter canceled :-(
[23:00] <jono> and Erica is out of the country this week
[23:00] <pleia2> no one has rsvped yet, so I might need to raffle the salamander to myself
[23:00] <jono> pleia2, a worthy winner :-)
[23:00] <pleia2> hehe
[23:01] <pleia2> either way, I get to eat a sandwich!
[23:01] <pleia2> fine evening