[05:48] <RandLAT> Planning on using Ubuntu 13.10 within VirtualBox on a Mac. Which ISO should I get? 32-bit Intel, 64-bit PC AMD or the 64-bit Mac AMD? Thanks in advance.
[05:53] <duflu> RandLAT: Within a virtual machine, PC. And if you can, always amd64
[05:56] <RandLAT> duflu: Thanks
[07:32] <sil2100> Morning everyone
[07:35] <sil2100> hm... after doing a dist-upgrade yesterday, I cannot get my machine to boot properly, the graphical shell doesn't want to start
[07:44] <sil2100> I'll try something after rebooting, brb
[07:58] <sil2100> Shit...
[08:01] <sil2100> didrocks: how can I fetch the list of recently updated packages on my system? dpkg.log is a bit bloated
[08:02] <didrocks> sil2100: /var/log/apt/history.log
[08:02] <didrocks> that should be easier to parse :)
[08:02] <didrocks> (doesn't show of course what you installed with dpkg
[08:02] <sil2100> Thanks!
[08:02] <didrocks> yw ;)
[08:02] <didrocks> good luck!
[08:04] <Laney> hey
[08:04] <Laney> sil2100: seb had that yesterday
[08:04] <Laney> He had unity8 installed and it was due to that
[08:04] <sil2100> Oh shit
[08:05] <sil2100> Laney: thanks, will check my packages!
[08:05] <sil2100> If that's it, then you saved my day
[08:06] <Laney> lool: did you upload a fix for that?
[08:06] <sil2100> brb
[08:06] <Laney> (didn't actually follow what the problem was)
[08:06] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/7.83+13.10.20131016.2-0ubuntu1
[08:06] <Laney> seems so
[08:06] <Laney> dist-upgrade should fix it
[08:09] <sil2100> Sadly, didn't help here
[08:10] <sil2100> I don't see lightdm running, but start lightdm says it's already up - and restarting/stopping lightdm just causes the command to wait indefinitely
[08:18] <sil2100> Diving in for more debugging - running lightdm manually without upstart just works
[08:18] <Laney> try 'sudo initctl list' when it's broken
[08:39] <sil2100> Still nothing
[08:40] <sil2100> initctl list shows lightdm in the state: start/starting, but the upstart script is not even being started
[08:54] <sil2100> geh...
[08:54] <sil2100> It seems something happens when upstart tries to launch lightdm, something is stalled and not moving forward
[08:55] <sil2100> Great timing for this to happen, shouldn't have upgraded those zillions of packages
[09:19] <lool> Laney: boot issue with unity8?  yes
[09:19] <Laney> mmm
[09:19] <Laney> don't know what sil2100's problem is yet
[09:19] <Laney> sil2100: got anywhere?
[09:19] <Laney> could you pastebin sudo initctl list?
[09:20] <lool> sil2100: do you have anything in /etc/init/boot-hooks/?
[09:20] <lool> sil2100: what's your unity8 version?
[09:20] <lool> Ok, will check it out later, got to go
[09:21] <sil2100> It's on my desktop, so it's not about unity8 - still trying to get my lightdm back, after disabling it from boot-time and trying to run manually by start lightdm it just hang the 'start lightdm' process without doing anything, while launching lightdm manually without initctl works
[09:22] <sil2100> I don't have unity8 installed even right now
[09:22] <sil2100> But wait
[09:23] <sil2100> Why after uninstalling unity8 I still have its boot-hook in /etc/init ?
[09:23] <Laney> you didn't purge it?
[09:25] <sil2100> No, and this was my mistake, I really should add --purge by default whenever I do an apt remove
[09:25] <sil2100> Geh
[09:25] <sil2100> Laney, lool: thanks guys, I think this should be it
[09:26] <sil2100> Wasn't really aware of the still-existing boot-hook for unity8, didn't even check if there's anything like that there
[09:26] <sil2100> brb
[09:29] <sil2100> \o/
[09:54] <Laney> haha
[09:54] <Laney> the non-updating greeter background in settings was just a missing Q_EMIT
[09:54] <Laney> /o\
[10:49] <sil2100> Laney: uh?
[10:51] <sil2100> Laney: ah, I see you fixed everything in the merge proposal of yours
[10:51] <Laney> I think so
[10:51] <Laney> if you have some changes I can merge them in
[10:52] <sil2100> Laney: I'll remove my branch then and review your fixes
[10:52] <Laney> or do another MP or whatever
[10:52] <Laney> I think it worked on desktop because ...
[10:52] <Laney> nautilus syncs the background to accountsservice
[10:52] <sil2100> QDBusReply<QDBusVariant> answer = userInterface.call <- hah, this for getting the property? Why wasn't it working with the .property() thing?
[10:52] <Laney> which will make the Changed signal happen
[10:52] <Laney> so the UI gets it that way
[10:53] <Laney> but if you set it yourself then you don't get the signal back
[10:53] <Laney> that's why it worked if you set it in the terminal too
[10:53] <sil2100> Crazy stuff
[10:54] <sil2100> Makes sense now, let me test and review the change
[10:55] <Laney> .property isn't what I thought
[10:56] <Laney> it refers to QObject properties, not D-Bus ones
[10:57] <sil2100> But actually QDBusInterface from qt4.7 said that you can use the .property() method to access the DBus properties IIRC correctly - I didn't see the same written in the qt5 docs, but in the old ones it was like that
[10:57] <sil2100> Quoting the old 4.8 docs: "Signals are connected to by using the normal QObject::connect() function. Finally, properties are accessed using the QObject::property() and QObject::setProperty() functions."
[10:57] <sil2100> So I thought this didn't change throughout versions
[10:57] <Laney> oh it does say that actually
[10:58] <Laney> INTERESTING
[10:58] <sil2100> Oh, I actually see the same thing in qt5 as well!
[10:58] <Laney> you could try putting it back
[10:58] <Laney> if that works then it's better
[10:59] <sil2100> hm, but it didn't work before, which is why I actually started looking into that
[10:59] <sil2100> It was always returning and empty string
[10:59] <Laney> might have been getting messed up with the missing emission
[10:59] <Laney> not sure
[10:59] <Laney> this definitely does work :P
[10:59] <sil2100> Could be, let me try that then
[10:59] <sil2100> ;)
[11:03] <sil2100> Test-building and uploading to the device in a moment
[11:25] <xnox> Overlay scrollbars don't work in GTK apps, if launched under pkexec
[11:26] <xnox> can that be somehow be fixed?!
[11:30] <om26er> xnox, as cimi maybe, he wrote it
[11:31] <Laney> xnox: you need to have GTK_MODULES set
[11:31] <xnox> Laney: bug pkexec strips environment variables =/
[11:32] <Laney> ho hum!
[11:32] <xnox> Laney: do we need to modify pkexec to preserve that var?
[11:32] <Laney> sounds weird
[11:32] <Laney> it should probably be modified more generally
[11:33] <Laney> or maybe in allow_gui?
[11:33] <Laney> talk to upstraem
[11:46] <mhr3_> xnox, how can i get a log of all upstart events for the user session?
[11:46] <mhr3_> cookbook mentions --verbose and --debug, but that's for the system upstart afaict
[11:53] <xnox> mhr3_: does work for session init as well.
[11:53] <xnox> mhr3_: but you can use upstart-monitor to log the current ones.
[11:55] <mhr3_> xnox, i need a pointer to where is the session init run :)
[11:55] <Laney> mhr3_: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99upstart
[11:55] <mhr3_> thx
[11:56] <mhr3_> Laney, phone as well?
[11:56] <Laney> no
[11:56] <Laney> don't know about that
[11:56] <Laney> I assume that #ubuntu-desktop questions are about desktop :P
[11:57] <mhr3_> but, but... it's right above ubuntu-touch for me :P
[11:57] <ogra_> you seriously need more channels then
[11:57]  * ogra_ has about ten between desktop and touch 
[11:57] <mhr3_> heh
[11:59] <xnox> mhr3_: yes, phone as well.
[11:59] <xnox> mhr3_: hm, maybe not actually
[11:59] <xnox> mhr3_: grep root filesystem? =)
[11:59] <czajkowski> ogra_: that's cause you're so popular!
[11:59] <ogra_> lol
[12:00] <ogra_> czajkowski, not partying for the release today ?
[12:00] <ogra_> i dont see you in #u-r-p
[12:00] <czajkowski> may pop up to london and go to the event
[12:00] <czajkowski> see how the trains are going today
[12:00] <ogra_> (in fact that channel is pretty dead this time :/ )
[12:00] <czajkowski> ogra_: I need to get work done that channel gets way too noisy!
[12:00] <ogra_> it doesnt
[12:00] <ogra_> not even 100 ppl
[12:01] <ogra_> relatively quiet
[12:01] <Laney> told you, get the Holy Holbach to do some evangelising
[12:01] <czajkowski> roflol
[12:01] <xnox> 783308
[12:02] <Laney> you what
[12:07] <desrt> seb128: hey!!
[12:08] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[12:08] <seb128> desrt, hey, how is Canada this morning?
[12:08] <desrt> great!
[12:08] <desrt> and judy
[12:08] <desrt> is a....
[12:08] <desrt> very nice girl
[12:08]  * desrt listens to belle and sebastian
[12:09] <Laney> you guys are weird
[12:09] <Laney> give me a bagel update, STAT
[12:09] <Laney> also: /me listens to b&s
[12:09] <desrt> Laney: we got the good bagels this morning
[12:10] <desrt> they were the worst ones we've had so far (of the good ones) but still a world better than the ones we had yesterday
[12:10] <Laney> I came across this on planet yesterday http://blogs.gnome.org/gnomg/files/2013/10/bagelMontrealSummit.jpg
[12:10] <Laney> can't get away from the damn things
[12:11] <desrt> ah.  karen took that picture.
[12:11] <Laney> ya, her post
[12:17] <desrt> so.... we're planning on putting in a sound system at the montreal office
[12:17] <desrt> i wonder if more people would come then
[12:21] <seb128> Laney, hey, we get some extra bagels this morning, if you want to stop at the Montréal office today... :-)
[12:22] <Laney> I'll drop by on my way to Oakland next week
[12:22] <Laney> put them out by the back step
[12:22] <seb128> ;-)
[12:22]  * mdeslaur goes to kitchen to get bagel
[12:22] <seb128> mdeslaur, hey, how far are you from the office?
[12:22] <mdeslaur> seb128: 3 hour drive
[12:23] <seb128> mdeslaur, not seeing you there today then I guess ;-)
[12:23] <mdeslaur> nope :)
[12:31] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va?
[12:31] <didrocks> hey desrt ;)
[12:32] <seb128> didrocks, lut, ouais, et toi ? congrats on the gold image 100 ;-)
[12:32] <didrocks> seb128: heh, thanks! we even had the early alert for fun :p
[12:32]  * didrocks got 3 free hours of stress
[12:32] <seb128> didrocks, I got that yesterday when my laptop stopped booting :p
[12:32] <didrocks> seb128: congrats on the destkop! happy to have seen latest settings fixes
[12:32] <didrocks> ahah ;)
[12:32]  * seb128 shakes fist at unity8
[12:33] <seb128> didrocks, thanks ;-)
[12:33] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but the update screwed the phone :)
[12:33] <seb128> didrocks, fun to debug, I'm glad stgraber came to the office to help me
[12:33]  * didrocks thinks AP tests were not run :p
[12:33] <seb128> half of the upstart jobs were waiting to start
[12:33] <seb128> cascade of events fun
[12:33] <didrocks> fun state ;)
[12:35] <didrocks> seb128: don't eat too much bagels, we'll have a lot of food in Oakland :)
[12:37] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, "good luck with that", desrt has a difficult time filtering the list of food places in Toronto for next week
[12:38] <seb128> it's going to be 3 weeks of "food porn" as larsu would say :p
[12:38] <didrocks> seb128: what are you doing working then? you should be already at the gym :)
[12:38] <seb128> yeah, that's a good point
[12:38] <didrocks> food/gym seems to be the only way to survive :)
[12:38] <larsu> didrocks: hi!
[12:39] <didrocks> oh I know, desrt wants to kill seb128 with too many food so that we get gnome 3.12 next cycle :)
[12:39] <didrocks> hey larsu! how are you?
[12:39] <larsu> people are overexaggerating how much I give them to eat
[12:39] <didrocks> heh ;)
[12:39] <desrt> didrocks: i don't need to kill him.  only drug him.
[12:39] <larsu> didrocks: awesome, thanks. And you?
[12:39] <larsu> freshly married I hear. Congrats ;)
[12:39]  * desrt has been slipping mind control agents into his bagels
[12:39] <didrocks> desrt: right, beers as well can work… it's cheaper :)
[12:39] <seb128> didrocks, those people don't want to drink beer with me
[12:39] <didrocks> larsu: yeah, was really busy between the wedding and the release, but really well! thanks :)
[12:39] <desrt> seb128: you have an alcohol problem
[12:39] <didrocks> seb128: really? Oh poor of you :)
[12:40] <didrocks> ahah
[12:40] <seb128> see, he's doing it again!
[12:40] <didrocks> desrt: yeah, at the wedding, people told me "seb is drinking is a lot" :)
[12:40] <desrt> his problem: his friends don't want to drink as much as he does
[12:40] <larsu> I like how 75% of the participants of this chat are in the same room, at the same table
[12:40] <desrt> attente: hey.  help us bring it to 80%!
[12:41] <didrocks> larsu: yeah, but public shaming is priceless I guess :)
[12:41] <larsu> ha
[12:41] <desrt> didrocks: public humilation is the first step on the 12 step programme, isn't it?
[12:41] <attente> hello
[12:41] <didrocks> desrt: don't spoil seb128 with the number of steps ;)
[12:45] <desrt> larsu: http://memegenerator.net/instance/42247695
[13:39] <seb128> stgraber, hey, just as a fyi, we have fresh bagels at the office if you want some ;-)
[13:49] <sil2100> Laney: the merge looking good now! Just wanted to discuss the 'source:' of the image, which I guess you might be right about but want to make sure
[13:50] <sil2100> Laney: since I see testHomeImage has the source: background.pictureUri anyway defined, and I have been wondering if without that it will be actually, on start, updating the greeter image to fit the one that has been selected in the past
[13:51] <sil2100> Laney: I didn't see if that works since when I was reviewing I was looking at the version when using .property(), which as I mentioned does not work
[13:52] <mterry> seb128, heyo!  I tested setting the greeter wallpaper to a /usr/share/backgrounds path.  It worked for me on the commandline...
[13:53] <sil2100> mterry: hi! What do you mean? We have a branch for ubuntu-system-settings for fixing greeter-background changing
[13:53] <seb128> mterry, hey! my bug got dupped from 1227783
[13:54] <mterry> sil2100, seb128 was manually testing changing the greeter the other day and found an odd bug
[13:54] <seb128> mterry, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1238763/comments/2
[13:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1227783 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu Saucy) "duplicate for #1238763 Black backround image -CrossFadeImage does not set the sourceSize for the images" [Critical,In progress]
[13:54] <mterry> sil2100, not one that prevented using it in system-settings
[13:54] <mterry> seb128, ah.
[13:54] <mterry> seb128, so it was a size-of-image difference, not path difference?
[13:54] <sil2100> mterry: ah, sorry, I shouldn't have butted in without knowing context! Ignore me please ;)
[13:54] <seb128> mterry, seems so
[13:54] <mterry> sil2100, no worries  :)
[13:55] <Laney> sil2100: It's supposed to go <gsettings/as> → <test image> → <visible image>
[13:57] <Laney> oh hey, a saucy
[13:57] <Laney> well done desktop team ;-)
[13:58] <mterry> yay!
[13:59] <seb128> Laney, desktop team \o/
[13:59] <sil2100> Laney: and that happens on startup, yes?
[13:59] <sil2100> yay indeed \o/
[13:59] <sil2100> Finally someone mentioned 'desktop'! \o/
[14:00] <Laney> sure, via the binding
[14:00] <Laney> did you notice anything being actually broken, or just being cautious?
[14:01] <sil2100> Laney: just being cautious, no worries
[14:01] <Laney> okay
[14:01] <sil2100> Ok, last glance and let me approve!
[14:05] <sil2100> Laney, seb128: btw. how is it with u-s-s? For instance all the v2 work, do we do it in a separate trunk branch for T and leaving the current state of u-s-s for saucy?
[14:05] <sil2100> Laney, seb128: or just continue developing in one trunk, with the new features also targetted for saucy still?
[14:05] <seb128> sil2100, I would say that we keep working in trunk
[14:05] <seb128> e.g rolling mode
[14:05] <seb128> saucy is not going to be supported on the phone
[14:05] <seb128> we are just going to roll over T
[14:05] <sil2100> Sounds like a plan
[14:06] <sil2100> Thanks!
[14:06] <seb128> yw
[14:06] <seb128> Laney, ^ do you agree with that?
[14:06] <stgraber> seb128: I may drop by once I'm done with my post-release stuff (well, mostly pushing the announcement for Edubuntu)
[14:06] <seb128> stgraber, great
[14:07] <seb128> stgraber, we should make sure to have release beers tonight or something
[14:14] <Laney> sorry, Rosie just came back from an interview, was discussing how that went
[14:14] <Laney> let me see
[14:14] <Laney> oh yeah, I don't think we'll be SRUing anything
[14:14] <Laney> so just trunk is ok
[14:14] <Laney> hopefully this cycle we can do a more normal release though towards the end, so might have a stable branch then
[14:14] <seb128> great
[14:14] <Laney> but we'll see
[14:15] <seb128> Laney, job interview? how did that go?
[14:15] <Laney> she thinks quite alright
[14:15] <Laney> this was the second one for that job
[14:15] <Laney> will hear back next week
[14:15] <seb128> nice
[14:15] <Laney> it's something to do with geographic data
[14:15] <Laney> apparently they asked questions about relational databases
[14:17] <desrt> 10:07 < seb128> stgraber, we should make sure to have release beers tonight or something
[14:17] <desrt> seb suggesting alcohol consumption?  this is surprising.
[14:18] <Laney> release ice cream doesn't have the same ring to it :P
[14:18] <seb128> BEER, did somebody said beer?
[14:18] <ogra_> *plop*
[14:18] <seb128> see, ogra_ is reacting to the idea as well
[14:18] <ogra_> :)
[14:18] <seb128> it's a german thing, larsu would tell you
[14:19]  * larsu peeks in
[14:19] <larsu> it's after 4 in Germany
[14:19] <ogra_> yeah
[14:20] <desrt> seb128 has gone to the kitchen to look for beer
[14:20] <desrt> ...at 10:20am
[14:20] <Laney> seb128: btw have you noticed a problem on the update panel where you don't get the revision number?
[14:20] <Laney> so I just get "Ubuntu 13.10 (r)"
[14:21] <stgraber> seb128: release beer sounds good (though maybe not just yet ;))
[14:24] <Laney> ogra_: how many people did you get in the channel in the end? :-)
[14:25] <ogra_> Laney, 120 or so
[14:25] <Laney> hmm
[14:25] <ogra_> we never were below 200 in the past
[14:25] <ogra_> peak was ~600 one release iirc
[14:26] <Laney> comfortable middle age
[14:26] <desrt> Laney: can we get https://fedorahosted.org/gcc-python-plugin/ packaged?
[14:26]  * Laney dons a cardigan
[14:26] <Laney> desrt: probably, do you have something that uses it?
[14:26] <desrt> Laney: i'd ask seb, but he's already three sheets to the wind
[14:26] <desrt> Laney: ya.  i'm writing a gvariant static analysis tool
[14:26] <Laney> you might want doko or someone gcc-ish
[14:27] <Laney> see if he bites
[14:29] <Laney> desrt:
[14:29] <Laney> 17/10 15:28:21 <Laney> paultag: is #694881 still alive?
[14:29] <Laney> 17/10 15:28:49 <paultag> Laney: yeah, I'm blocked waiting for a change to the upstream code
[14:29] <Laney> 17/10 15:29:03 <paultag> Laney: there's a big change, he's getting some stuff in GCC, which is blocking a release, since it's using a new API
[14:29] <Laney> 17/10 15:29:13 <Laney> Alright
[14:29] <Laney> 17/10 15:29:14 <paultag> Laney: I should likely comment on that, but I'm still interested and working on it
[14:30] <Laney> 17/10 15:29:18 <Laney> Yeah, please do
[14:30] <Laney> 17/10 15:29:26 <Laney> desrt just pinged me about getting it packaged then I found your ITP
[14:30] <Laney> 17/10 15:29:30 <paultag> ack
[14:30] <desrt> Laney: ya. i found that too.
[14:30] <desrt> seemed stalled
[14:30] <desrt> glad i asked you.  thanks :)
[14:30] <seb128> Laney, no, didn't see that one ... weird, I made the code conditional (shouldn't display the "(r...)" part of the string if we have no version)
[14:30] <seb128> Laney, is that on r100/n4? (wfm here)
[14:31] <didrocks> desrt: did seb128 pushed gnome 3.11.-1 yet? ;)
[14:31] <Laney> was going <something> → 100
[14:31] <desrt> didrocks: he's not that far gone yet
[14:31] <didrocks> working on it I hope? :)
[14:32] <desrt> btw
[14:32] <desrt> our montreal office is beautiful
[14:32] <desrt> we should have a sprint here soon
[14:32] <Laney> we're putting all of GNOME under CI and daily releases
[14:33] <didrocks> desrt: really? I was quite disappointed by the Boston office, we should have gone to Montreal
[14:33] <didrocks> in addition, they speak a descent language there
[14:33] <didrocks> Laney: \o/
[14:34] <desrt> didrocks: english?  yes, indeed.  but with a funny accent.
[14:34] <didrocks> :p
[14:34] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, Montréal office is great, a bit London style (but empty)
[14:35] <didrocks> interesting, yeah, we should have sprint there!
[14:35] <seb128> didrocks, with nice view on the hill on one side of the building and on the city on the other side
[14:35] <didrocks> I guess in summer, in winter… too cold :)
[14:35] <didrocks> seb128: oh nice :)
[14:35] <desrt> maybe sprint
[14:35] <desrt> *spring
[14:35] <seb128> city is nice as well, office is in the city
[14:35] <desrt> spring sprint!
[14:35] <didrocks> desrt: a spring sprint?
[14:35] <Laney> mmm
[14:35] <didrocks> too slow…
[14:35] <Laney> that'd be good
[14:35] <didrocks> :)
[14:35] <seb128> not like Lexington which is middle of nowhere (from what I've been told)
[14:36] <didrocks> seb128: indeed ;)
[14:36] <popey> tkamppeter: is openprinting.org ever coming back?
[14:38] <tkamppeter> popey, it will take some days, the server will get replaced.
[14:38] <popey> tkamppeter: ah okay. Someone on my LUG mailing list was asking.
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> happy release day!
[14:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, happy release day to you as well!
[14:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how are you?
[14:57] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. although, i caught my daughters cold
[14:57] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[14:58] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks, enjoying the Montréal office
[14:58] <chrisccoulson> nice! :)
[14:58] <chrisccoulson> i'd like to go there ;)
[14:59] <mdeslaur> seb128: make sure you go to schwartz's while you're there
[15:00] <seb128> mdeslaur, why people keep saying that
[15:00] <desrt> mdeslaur: already done :)
[15:00] <desrt> we went there the first night
[15:00] <mdeslaur> was it not good?
[15:00] <desrt> it was glorious, of course
[15:00] <mdeslaur> +1
[15:01] <seb128> mdeslaur, it was great, but lot of meat at the same time
[15:01] <mdeslaur> seb128: pfff
[15:01] <desrt> seb128: ....
[15:01] <desrt> THAT'S THE POINT.
[15:01] <attente> my sandwich came cold
[15:01] <seb128> alright, it was great, but it feels like we eat a pig each
[15:01] <seb128> poor animals
[15:01] <mdeslaur> seb128: not enough organs to your liking? :P
[15:02] <desrt> attente is just upset that we didn't like his bagels -- so he's talking bad about the things that we like
[15:02] <mdeslaur> haha
[15:02] <Sweetshark> seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes <- I just sqeezed myself in there, seems Desktop missed out on that quite a bit in general?
[15:03] <seb128> Sweetshark, indeed, nobody pinged us and I was travelling/forgot about it
[15:03] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks for filling it
[15:05] <didrocks> ah, here we go: http://www.mambochimbo.com/2013/10/to-do-top-things-to-do-after-installing.html
[15:05]  * didrocks was anxious to not see a post like that yet :)
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128, lots of meat? now you're making me really jealous
[15:14] <seb128> didrocks, haha
[15:14] <didrocks> :)
[15:14] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, we should have a sprint in montreal
[15:14] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: maybe he was laughing at your remark, but knowing how drunk he is… :)
[15:14] <chrisccoulson> lol
[15:16] <seb128> didrocks, chrisccoulson: http://www.roadfood.com/photos/7626.jpg
[15:16]  * chrisccoulson drools
[15:17] <didrocks> waow
[15:17] <chrisccoulson> that's just how i like my sandwich
[15:17] <chrisccoulson> well, perhaps with less bread
[15:17] <didrocks> this looks so healthy :)
[15:17] <seb128> hehe
[15:20] <mdeslaur> argh, now I have to go out for lunch
[15:24] <stgraber> mdeslaur: I tend to prefer Dunn's, less waiting time and still pretty good :) (Schwartz's is much closer to my place though and I know when to go to avoid the crowd nowadays ;))
[15:25] <mdeslaur> yeah, dunn's is good too
[15:26] <mdeslaur> stgraber: oh, hrm, I didn't know you moved to mtl
[15:27] <stgraber> mdeslaur: yeah, I did back in May. Now at the corner of Sherbrooke and St-Laurent so not too far from the office (but a bit too downtown for me, will be moving somewhere else next year)
[15:31] <mdeslaur> cool
[15:38] <seb128> sil2100, bregma: hey, do we have an unity 5 SRU planned at some point for precise?
[15:38] <mlankhorst> yes
[15:39] <mlankhorst> at least oh god i hope so
[15:39] <seb128> sil2100, bregma: having https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1040660 backported there would be nice, I think it should fix https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/dbd360e8dd4d719c768b3bac5b7db4c967eb8d61
[15:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040660 in Unity "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in panel_indicator_entry_accessible_get_n_children() from append_cache_item() from g_hash_table_foreach()" [High,Triaged]
[15:39] <seb128> ups
[15:39] <seb128> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/2775
[15:39] <seb128> rather
[15:39]  * didrocks is going out for exercising
[15:40] <didrocks> while seb128 is drinking and eating :)
[15:41] <seb128> didrocks, great
[15:48] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, hey, did you see what I was just asking bregma/sil2100 before?
[15:48] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Sorry, I think I missed it.
[15:51] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Could you repeat what you were asking them?
[15:52] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, having http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/revision/2775 backported there would be nice, I think it should fix https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/dbd360e8dd4d719c768b3bac5b7db4c967eb8d61
[15:52] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, "there" being precise/unity5
[15:53] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Sure, I can work on the backport and then we can SRU it.
[15:53] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, that would be great, thanks
[15:53] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: np!
[16:01] <seb128> Laney, we are debugging the buggy SRU with larsu, it's obvious to trigger, it segfault every time you close g-c-c with that panel open
[16:02] <Laney> ah
[16:02] <Laney> I had the old one in my VM. :(
[16:02] <seb128> Laney, it's a obvious bug (extra &priv-> instead of priv->)
[16:03] <seb128> Laney, I'm testing with just dpkg -i the precise version on my saucy btw
[16:03] <Laney> wee
[16:03] <Laney> yeah, I got it to crash
[16:03] <Laney> are you going to do the fix?
[16:04] <seb128> Laney, yes, larsu is testing a fix already
[16:04] <Laney> ok
[16:04] <seb128> Laney, g_hash_table_destroy (&priv...
[16:04] <seb128> Laney, dropping the &
[16:04] <Laney> I see it
[16:04] <Laney> incorrect pattern following when he backported the patch
[16:04] <seb128> r
[16:04] <seb128> right
[16:04] <Laney> upstream used g_clear_pointer but that's >= 2.34
[16:07] <seb128> hum, annoying to build on saucy, libgnome-desktop etc not matching
[16:07] <seb128> Laney, do you have a precise build env?
[16:07] <Laney> yes
[16:08] <larsu> http://paste.debian.net/58913/
[16:08] <seb128> Laney, ^ can you test it?
[16:08] <Laney> sure why not
[16:09] <Laney> is there a bug for this?
[16:12] <larsu> I don't think so
[16:13] <Laney> ok
[16:13] <Laney> nearly built
[16:16] <Laney> oh god stop optimising PNGs
[16:18] <Laney> larsu: seb128: Yeah, didn't crash
[16:18] <Laney> shall I upload?
[16:18] <seb128> Laney, yes please
[16:18] <Laney> okey doke
[16:18] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[16:19] <Laney> hrm, I guess we ought to have a bug for it really
[16:19] <Laney> let me file one quickly
[16:19] <seb128> Laney, I would be surprised if we didn't have one
[16:20] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234392
[16:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1234392 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/gnome-control-center:11:__GI___libc_free:standard_free:g_free:g_hash_table_resize:g_hash_table_destroy" [Undecided,New]
[16:20] <Laney> wow
[16:20] <Laney> I would never have found that
[16:20] <Laney> guess it was linked from euc
[16:20] <seb128> yes
[16:24] <Laney> done
[16:24] <seb128> Laney, thanks!
[16:25] <Laney> np
[16:25] <Laney> guess you want to ping people to get it fast tracked ;-)
[16:25] <seb128> stgraber, can you get a precise SRU through for us?
[16:25] <seb128> Laney, hehe, indeed :p
[16:25] <seb128> ^
[16:26] <seb128> Laney, why is that bug tagged lucid?
[16:27] <Laney> don't ask me
[16:29] <seb128> larsu, attente: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27552
[16:29] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 27552 in Lib/Xlib "Lots of processes crash in XCreatePixmap() with _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed" [Normal,New]
[16:36] <seb128> stgraber, thanks
[16:36] <stgraber> np
[16:48] <Laney> oh, she got the job
[16:48] <seb128> Laney, congrats!
[16:48] <Laney> that was a quick turnaround!
[16:48] <seb128> well; congrats to her
[16:48] <seb128> Laney, double reason to celebrate today ;-)
[16:48] <Laney> yep, going out to have dinner tonight for celebrations
[16:48] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[16:48]  * Laney quickly uploads glib* SRUs
[16:51] <didrocks> Laney: dput && run
[16:51] <didrocks> :)
[16:51] <Laney> got to make the packages first :P
[16:52] <didrocks> heh
[17:05] <Laney> seb128: can you help me out with a test case for bug #1217230 please?
[17:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1217230 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "[Regression] Can't copy files from digital camera (Operation not supported by backend)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217230
[17:13] <Laney> okay, they're uploaded
[17:13] <Laney> enjoy the release festivities :P
[17:13]  * Laney waves
[17:27] <jcastro> hey kenvandine
[17:28] <jcastro> how can I run this pandora app you posted on my desktop?
[17:29]  * didrocks waves good evening as well
[17:29] <didrocks> enjoy the release everyone :)
[17:42] <kenvandine> jcastro, https://github.com/kenvandine/Panpipe
[17:42] <kenvandine> grab that and run qmlscene panpipe.qml
[17:43] <jcastro> oh so I can just build a deb from that I see
[17:43] <kenvandine> i think that will work
[17:43] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:43] <kenvandine> or even a click package
[17:43] <jcastro> yeah but  I can't run clicks on my desktop safely without mir right?
[17:43] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:43] <kenvandine> click isn't supported on the desktop
[17:44] <kenvandine> the biggest thing we need to fix for it on the phone is background playback
[17:44] <kenvandine> like music-app does
[17:44] <kenvandine> it sucks when the screen sleeps it stops playing
[17:44] <jcastro> I'll follow along on my tablet
[17:44] <jcastro> this is a great app
[17:54] <seb128> Laney, can do (sorry, was at lunch), have a nice evening!
[17:58] <tvoss> kenvandine, works for me @music playback
[17:58] <tvoss> kenvandine, or better, used to work for me
[18:03] <kenvandine> tvoss, panpipe does?
[18:03] <kenvandine> tvoss, i think i just fixed it
[18:03] <tvoss> kenvandine, hah :)
[18:03] <kenvandine> well... s/fixed/added qtpowerd/ :)
[18:10] <Sweetshark> heh, Ubuntu 13.10 released and on heise.de (biggest IT site in germany) the comments are only fighting over if its better to use 12.04LTS with LibreOffice 3.5.7, or 13.10 with LibreOffice 4.1.2 or 12.04LTS with the libreofffice ppa at LibreOffice 4.1.2 ...
[18:13] <kenvandine> tvoss, ah... i don't see any powerd access in apparmor, so it'll only work unconfined
[18:14] <tvoss> kenvandine, hah
[18:14] <kenvandine> bummer... close to being useful :/
[18:14] <kenvandine> jdstrand, any plans to add a policygroup for access to powerd?
[18:15] <jdstrand> I did not have plans, but that can change. I just need more info on how it is all supposed to work
[18:15] <jdstrand> maybe an email to ubuntu-phone/ubuntu-devel?
[18:16] <jdstrand> or if it is simple, a bug against apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu
[18:17] <kenvandine> tvoss, do you know if that was discussed?  i am guessing that is why music-app is using the unconfined template still
[18:17] <tvoss> kenvandine, not entirely sure. Can you quickly summarize the state of things?
[18:18] <kenvandine> trying to use QtPowerd.keepalive from panpipe based on playing state
[18:19] <kenvandine> apparmor rejects access to com.canonical.powerd
[18:19] <kenvandine> music-app does that, but it is using the unconfined template
[18:20] <kenvandine> requestSysState: QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied", "An AppArmor policy prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, 0 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.85
[18:20] <kenvandine> " (uid=32011 pid=12237 comm="/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmlscene $@ p") interface="com.canonical.powerd" member="requestSysState" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="com.canonical
[18:20] <kenvandine> .powerd" (uid=0 pid=838 comm="/usr/bin/powerd ")")
[18:21] <kenvandine> so i assume it would be adding a new policygroup for power
[18:23] <sarnold> that's a funny-looking 'comm' entry..
[18:50] <alex-abreu> Trevinho, ping
[18:57] <alex-abreu> thomi, ping
[19:03] <Trevinho> alex-abreu: pong
[19:04] <alex-abreu> Trevinho, ah, just sent you a thomi an email
[19:04] <Trevinho> alex-abreu: ah, fine... I'l check that soon
[19:16] <robru> larsu, ping
[19:16] <desrt> robru: pong
[19:17] <robru> desrt, larsu's patch for bug #1238927 didn't make it into the saucy release. is it worth SRUing?
[19:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1238927 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "[Ubuntu Touch] Icons not displayed correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1238927
[19:18] <robru> oh, i guess not if it's touch-only
[19:18] <seb128> robru, it should be in the release...
[19:18] <desrt> robru: seb says it should have made it in...
[19:18] <robru> seb128, desrt: hmmm? according to http://people.canonical.com/~platform/cu2d/results it is in the PPA but not in saucy.
[19:19] <seb128> robru, I didn't realize that you guys didn't land fixes for this one with other ones this week
[19:19] <seb128> robru, so yeah, should be SRUed
[19:19]  * larsu agrees
[19:19] <robru> ok, I will apply the ritualistic make-up and begin the SRU dance.
[19:21] <robru> seb128, confirmed with rmadison, saucy has 13.10.1+13.10.20131011-0ubuntu1
[19:21] <seb128> robru, right
[19:35] <seb128> xclaesse, hey, do you know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-gabble/+bug/1223436 is a known issue/what debug info would be useful?
[19:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1223436 in telepathy-gabble (Ubuntu Saucy) "telepathy-gabble 0.18 does not work with jabberd2" [Undecided,New]
[19:37] <sil2100> seb128: as for the SRU, we have one planned all the time but there was no time!
[19:37] <seb128> sil2100, hey, ok, ChrisTownsend is looking at backporting it, that's step 1 I guess
[19:37] <seb128> sil2100, once it's in the vcs we can discuss SRUing the current vcs
[19:38] <xclaesse> seb128, I didn't see that bug before, but I'm not reading all gabble bug reports :p
[19:38] <xclaesse> seb128, maybe ask smcv and/or cassidy on #telepathy
[19:39] <xclaesse> seb128, more debug would be useful, though
[19:39] <seb128> xclaesse, ok, thanks
[19:39] <seb128> xclaesse, how do you get debug? restarting the service with an env set?
[19:39] <seb128> jdstrand, do you still get that telepathy-gabble not working with jabberd2 issue?
[19:39] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: I have the MP ready, just waiting on the review.
[19:39] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, great
[19:40] <jdstrand> seb128: yes, I've had to resort to apt pinning:
[19:40] <jdstrand> Package: telepathy-gabble
[19:40] <jdstrand> Pin: version 0.16.6-1ubuntu1
[19:40] <jdstrand> Pin-Priority: 1001
[19:42] <seb128> jdstrand, ok, thanks
[19:44] <xclaesse> seb128, empathy-debug should tell you everything
[20:08] <robert_ancell> seb128, hey, can you still reproduce bug 861171? I can shutdown from any account (or just pressing the power button from anywhere). Wondering if my settings are messed up after too many upgrades
[20:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 861171 in OEM Priority Project precise "Shutdown from greeter does nothing when multiple accounts open" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861171
[20:12]  * seb128 shakes fist at robert_ancell
[20:12] <robert_ancell> ?
[20:13] <seb128> robert_ancell, doing shutdown from the indicator on the greeter shutdown my computer, including my user session, without asking for confirmationj
[20:14] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, that's what I noticed
[20:14] <mdeslaur> lol
[20:14] <robert_ancell> actually, no mine still shows a dialog
[20:14] <robert_ancell> but pressing the power button from inside my session shuts everything down without prompting
[20:18] <seb128> robert_ancell, bug #1201180
[20:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1201180 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Pressing power button turns off the PC ignoring the presence of another session manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201180
[20:19] <robert_ancell> that seems kind of important to fix..
[20:19] <seb128> robert_ancell, well, it was supposed to be fixed
[20:19] <seb128> robert_ancell, gnome-session should put an inhibitor
[20:20] <seb128> robert_ancell, gsettings get org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power button-power ?
[20:20] <robert_ancell> 'interactive'
[20:20] <seb128> I get the unity dialog when I press the button here
[20:20] <robert_ancell> am I brave enough to try right now?
[20:20] <robert_ancell> :)
[20:21] <robert_ancell> I'll wait for the dist-upgrade to complete
[20:21] <seb128> robert_ancell, DOIT
[20:21] <seb128> yeah, might be smarter
[20:21] <robert_ancell> ok, paused that. Fingers crossed
[20:23] <robert_ancell> BOOM!
[20:25] <seb128> robert_ancell, :-(
[20:26] <robert_ancell> OK, so I need to hunt for inhibitors
[20:28] <robert_ancell> seb128, I did get fancy dialogs working in u-g though
[20:28] <seb128> robert_ancell, no, they don't, which is why I asked you to rebase the indicator patch
[20:29] <robert_ancell> I mean I implemented them so they do now in lp:~robert-ancell/unity-greeter/end-session-dialog
[20:29] <robert_ancell> which is the first step, then we need to make a dialog that says "Can't shutdown" or prompts for authentication
[20:30] <seb128> wasn't was you did by then (which never got merged in)?
[20:31] <seb128> robert_ancell, the inhibitor should come from gnome-session iirc, maybe do gnome-session --debug and look at the log
[20:31] <seb128> robert_ancell, the comment from Laney on bug #1201180 has some hints on where to look
[20:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1201180 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Pressing power button turns off the PC ignoring the presence of another session manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201180
[20:31] <robert_ancell> seb128, no, the indicator used to have a dialog in it and I modified that to provide the required information. But that code is all gone now and the dialog is in Unity Shell. So I put the same dialog in Unity Greeter
[20:32] <seb128> oh
[20:32] <seb128> I didn't know the indicator guys dropped their copy
[20:32] <robert_ancell> yeah, that's why I stopped working on it :)
[20:33] <robert_ancell> but first I need to be able to reproduce the problem to make the dialog changes
[20:35] <seb128> charles, tedg, do you remember why/when the indicator-session session dialogs were dropped?
[20:35] <seb128> well I guess "because unity provides that feature"
[20:36] <charles> seb128: "because unity provides that feature"
[20:36] <seb128> robert_ancell, so yeah, typical "let's look at this bug, which makes you find 3 other issues on the way, fix them to be able to debug the bug you wanted to look at first"
[20:36] <seb128> robert_ancell, we have been hitting that with larsu a few times since yesterday
[20:36] <seb128> charles, what about the greeter? :/
[20:36] <robert_ancell> seb128, it fell back to zenity
[20:36] <charles> seb128: however if the session indicator's not running, indicator-session fills in with zenity
[20:37] <charles> robert_ancell: +1
[20:37] <robert_ancell> we needed to implement the dialogs in the greeter anyway
[20:37] <seb128> "zenity"
[20:37] <seb128> srly
[20:37] <charles> s/not running/not running in unity/
[20:37] <seb128> DOH
[20:38] <robert_ancell> charles, do you know what the story is with the org.gnome namespace for the dialog d-bus interface? (given it's on the Unity object)
[20:38] <robert_ancell> does gnome shell have something similar?
[20:38] <seb128> robert_ancell, Trevinho is the one who did that work
[20:38] <seb128> Trevinho, ^
[20:40] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: I've implemented that, since it was the only way to interact with gnome session
[20:40] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: in theory we should fix it, to allow to work with other namespaces just implementing that interface
[20:41] <robert_ancell> Trevinho, did the interface used to be on gnome-session?
[20:41] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: if there's that interface implemented, then jgnome session uses it instead of its fallback dialogs
[20:41] <Trevinho> robert_ancell: I really wanted to work upstream to make things better, but I had no time
[20:42] <robert_ancell> ah
[20:42] <Trevinho> and just implemented what we were mssing locally
[20:51] <seb128> charles, oh, another fun bug created by dropping that code :/
[20:51] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1167314
[20:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1167314 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "software-properties-gtk crashed with FileNotFoundError in _execute_child(): [Errno 2] Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado: '/usr/lib/indicator-session/gtk-logout-helper'" [Medium,Confirmed]
[20:51] <seb128> I wish I had seen the mp for dropping those dialogs
[20:54] <charles> hm. software-properties probably shouldn't've been relying on gtk-logout-helper
[20:54] <seb128> charles, what should it use instead?
[20:54] <charles> iirc gtk-logout-helper was conditionally compiled in previous releases
[20:55] <seb128> charles, well, it was turned on in Ubuntu
[20:55] <charles> looks like it's used in one place in software-properties:
[20:55] <seb128> charles, and we can't drop stuff while they have users, it should go the other way around
[20:55] <seb128> charles, port users, then drop the unused code
[20:56] <charles> it's using "gtk-logout-helper --restart", it could use "gnome-session-quit --reboot"
[20:56] <charles> seb128: I wasn't aware that indicator-session's dialogs had any other uses
[20:56] <charles> users
[20:56] <seb128> charles, yeah, not your fault, as said I wish I had seen that merge go through
[20:56] <seb128> I can't even find it in the bzr log
[20:56] <seb128> no match for dialog, gtk
[20:57] <charles> also, software-properties doesn't mention indicator-session in its debian/control
[20:58] <seb128> yeah, it's a buggy
[20:58] <charles> seb128: iirc you were one of the people doing testing on that MP, I distinctly remember you were testing the dialogs in the greeter
[20:59] <charles> this was one of the first indicators that got ported over to GMenu
[20:59] <seb128> charles, well, when I tested we still had dialogs on the greeter
[20:59] <seb128> charles, I just tested, doing "shutdown" from the indicator on the greeter takes my system down, including logged in users, without warning or question
[20:59] <seb128> question/confirmation request
[21:00] <seb128> by then when I tested I was getting a dialog to confirm
[21:00] <seb128> iirc
[21:04] <charles> seb128: I'm getting the zenity popup dialogs in the greeter right now. hm
[21:05] <seb128> charles, I don't have zenity installed
[21:05] <seb128> oh, in fact I does
[21:05] <kenvandine> well crap... release day and I have no beer in the house!
[21:06] <seb128> kenvandine, time for shopping!
[21:06]  * kenvandine debates wine or a trip to the store for beer
[21:06] <kenvandine> humm... i do have some scotch... this cycle is worthy of scotch :)
[21:06] <charles> :)
[21:07] <charles> more of a gin release, maybe
[21:07] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: That backport is now merged into lp:unity/5.0.  Anything else I need to do?
[21:07] <seb128> kenvandine, seems like a good choice ;-)
[21:07] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, no, that's all for your side, thanks a lot!
[21:08] <kenvandine> well good night folks!
[21:08] <seb128> sil2100, ^ can we get an unity5 sru to precise? ;-)
[21:08] <seb128> kenvandine, night!
[21:08] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Sure, no problem
[21:11] <sil2100> seb128: let me check unity 5.0 trunk ;)
[21:12] <charles> seb128: the zenity dialogs were working for you when you tested them on July 12, which is when I added them... I wonder what's changed between then and now s.t. they're not working in your greeter
[21:12] <sil2100> seb128, ChrisTownsend: right, so now that we're done with saucy for now, let me take care of the SRU - I actually need the SRU team to validate one of the fixes that went in, if I get feedback on that we can do the release
[21:13] <seb128> charles, I didn't even notice that was zenity by then
[21:13] <charles> the popups WFM, though my snapshot is a few days old
[21:13] <seb128> sil2100, great, thanks
[21:14] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: I think a new Nux is needed as well, but you probably already know that:)
[21:18] <robru> desrt, larsu: can i get one of you to fill out the SRU template for https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-messages/+bug/1238927 ? I don't know the steps to reproduce or the regression potential so it's hard for me to fill that out. once that's done i'll upload to saucy-proposed
[21:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1238927 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "[Ubuntu Touch] Icons not displayed correctly" [High,Fix committed]
[21:19] <robert_ancell> seb128, what does 'dbus-send --system --dest=org.freedesktop.login1 --print-reply /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.ListInhibitors' say for you?
[21:20] <larsu> robru: cyphermox just told me he wants to hold off on that one for a while
[21:20] <robru> oh
[21:21] <cyphermox> larsu: well, it would still be ideal to write the paperwork, description and all so it's ready when we need
[21:22] <seb128> robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6253367/
[21:24] <seb128> calling it a day, good evening everyone
[21:24] <robert_ancell> seb128, bye
[21:38] <robert_ancell> mterry, do you know if there is a particular reason the media-keys g-s-d plugin is disabled in the greeter?
[21:39] <mterry> robert_ancell, I doubt for functionality reasons?  Could it launch apps?
[21:39] <robert_ancell> mterry, ah, I guess it could launch apps.
[21:40] <robert_ancell> We kind of want it to handle the power keys though
[21:40] <mterry> robert_ancell, each of those should probably be commented with why
[21:40] <robert_ancell> :)
[21:40] <robert_ancell> mterry, what is unity8 going to use for this? Does it still use g-s-d?
[21:40] <mterry> robert_ancell, I wonder if we can fine-tune that
[21:40] <mterry> robert_ancell, no, it starts with g, of course we don't use it  :)
[21:41] <mterry> robert_ancell, I believe some functionality is in shell now
[21:41] <robert_ancell> mterry, so does the shell have the logind inhibitors / key handling?
[21:41] <robert_ancell> mterry, it's kind of annoying - how much fixing do we do in u-g or just wait for u-g8
[21:41] <mterry> robert_ancell, that's my memory.  Plus powerd is used, and it isn't on desktop I don't think yet