[01:13] <phillw> (02:04:16) queuebot: (notice) Builds: Ubuntu GNOME Desktop amd64 [Saucy Final] has been updated (20131017)
[01:13] <phillw> (02:04:17) queuebot: (notice) Builds: Ubuntu GNOME Desktop i386 [Saucy Final] has been updated (20131017)
[01:14] <phillw> better late than never, sorry for the slight delay in relaying.. been busy on the lubuntu tests
[01:14] <phillw> I'm sure you will forgive me being 10 minutes late :D
[06:17] <kam> hey guys I installed nemo (file-manager) and it broke my permissions, I can't untar a file for example: permission denied. I uninstalled it but nautillus is now also affected. anyway to change this?
[06:46] <kam> Also searching for an answer, I see a lot of reference to /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop and my folder is completely empty.
[06:55] <kam> ill brb
[06:57] <kam> Could I just reinstall nautilus file manager?
[07:02] <kam> brb again
[07:08] <kam> ok re-installed nautilus didn't work and completely removing and installing didn't work either
[07:35] <darkxst> bjsnider, how did you go with empathy?
[12:20] <carnelknowledge> G'day Folks. When I upgrade to saucy should I purge the gnome3 ppa first?
[13:40] <jan77> hi
[13:40] <jan77> did someone already update?
[13:55] <bjsnider> darkxst, the debdiff is done
[14:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Is our 13.10 out yet? (I know where to get it)
[14:11] <jan77> SonikkuAmerica: yes http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/saucy/release/
[15:50] <mgedmin> so who can change the /topic to mention 13.10?
[15:53] <mgedmin> huh, gnome-control-center from the ppa on saucy doesn't fit on my 1366x768 screen
[15:58] <jan77> mgedmin: did you update already?
[15:58] <mgedmin> yes
[15:59] <jan77> and it worked flawless?
[15:59] <mgedmin> yes
[15:59] <jan77> I'm a bit scared of pressing that button, since it's the first update for ubuntu-gnome...
[16:00] <mgedmin> I had the gnome3team/gnome PPA enabled before I upgaded
[16:00] <mgedmin> that doesn't seem to have caused any problems
[16:00] <mgedmin> I had to re-enable it after the upgrade, but it looks like it has only one package in saucy (gnome-control-center, plus two dependencies of it)
[16:00] <mgedmin> ok, I've got to go now
[16:09] <phillw> mgedmin: I *think* darkxst can. I don't have privs on this channel as I'm only trying to cover for Ali while he is not well.
[19:18] <vas32> is there a list whit bugs from 13.10
[19:18] <vas32> and why using gnome 3.8 :(
[19:49] <danieldbower> Quick question, is there a way to install ubuntu-gnome using software raid?  I usually see an alternate-download I think.
[19:51] <danieldbower> either no one is on, or I've done something incorrectly...  I see no chatter...
[19:54] <topyli> danieldbower:
[19:54] <topyli> people are probably just asleep or celebrating the release
[19:55] <danieldbower> :-)  Thanks topyli
[19:55] <danieldbower> Seemed kind of dead in here...  I'll just post on the forum then.  Thanks!
[19:57] <topyli> danieldbower: sounds like a general ubuntu question rather than specific to ubuntu-gnome. you could try #ubuntu as well
[19:58] <danieldbower> I think it is specific to ubuntu-gnome, on straight ubuntu, I would do the installation with the alternate or server cds
[19:58] <danieldbower> with ubuntu-gnome, only the desktop cd is available
[20:00] <danieldbower> can't remember if i used ubuntu-gnome to do the initial install on that machine.
[20:04] <topyli> danieldbower: maybe you could just do a minimal or server install and then add ubuntu-gnome-desktop? note that i don't know what i'm talking about, just guessing
[20:05] <danieldbower> yeah, I was doing some reserch to see if there is any difference between installing ubuntu-gnome-desktop packages on vanilla ubuntu vs going with ubuntu-gnome
[20:06] <danieldbower> I don't see a list of differences between ubuntu and ubuntu-gnome on http://ubuntugnome.org/wiki/ to be sure if I would be missing out on any customizations
[20:12] <danieldbower> danieldbower = bowerstudios
[20:27] <darkxst> bjsnider, paste it and I will have a look
[20:30] <bjsnider> darkxst, http://paste.debian.net/59003/
[20:37] <darkxst> bjsnider, formatting is messed up, can you try paste somewhere else
[20:39] <bjsnider> what?
[20:39] <bjsnider> what do you mean
[20:42] <ricotz> meaning the paste isnt a proper diff ;)
[20:43] <bjsnider> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6253179/
[20:48] <bjsnider> line 485 is because there's an extra schema, so it can't be that specific anymore
[20:57] <phillw> hi nadrimajstor did you come to a decsion on mirroring? (Not a nag, just got a guy in DE who is looking for a lubuntu mirror :) )
[21:02] <nadrimajstor> First thing, after I got back from work, (couple of hours ago) I've put ubuntu-gnome-13.10 ISOs torrents on seeding... At least I can make some bump on network graph :D
[21:05] <nadrimajstor> It peeked at about 10% network pipe... So I could without problem put other stuff to.
[21:05] <phillw> nadrimajstor: okies, i will not help this guy, he needs old fashioned direct download. My server in France is now being updated, that should help him out over the massive hit the cd.image server in London is taking.
[21:05] <phillw> s/i/it
[21:07] <nadrimajstor> I could make a quick hack... Download lubuntu ISOs via torrent and expose them with plain python simpleHttpServer...
[21:08] <nadrimajstor> And kill http server when is no longer needed?
[21:10] <phillw> nadrimajstor: I'll leave that to your tender mercies. As I mentioned, I'm also an archive for flavours. come the A1 of 14.04, the intermediate releases for 13.10 will be removed. I keep them as one two occaisions they have been needed by the dev / bug team to check a change that occurred after a milestone (e.g. alpha 2) as the cd.image server does not hold them for very long.
[21:10] <phillw> s/one/on
[21:32] <phillw> nadrimajstor: darkxst when my server catches up with the zsyncs catches up (takes a couple of hours and I forgot to ask it to be kicked off). http://phillw.net/isos/ubuntu-gnome/ will have a direct download as a mirror if you choose to mention it on your 'get-ubuntu-gnome' page(s)
[21:32] <nadrimajstor> I've added lubuntu desktop ISOs for seed...
[21:32] <nadrimajstor> Also, will this help:
[21:32] <nadrimajstor> http://s1.nadrimajstor.com/
[21:32] <nadrimajstor> ?
[21:34] <phillw> nadrimajstor: they should show up as on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO when torrent is selected?
[21:37] <phillw> nadrimajstor: We have a lot of ISO's owing to what we support :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/Why_So_Many_ISOs it does make testing much more 'fun' :D
[21:37] <darkxst> phillw, thanks, pretty certain your mirror is already listed on our download pages ;)
[21:38] <phillw> darkxst: okies. I always comment it out for lubuntu wiki area until the server is zsync'd up :)
[21:42] <darkxst> phillw, oh right, wiki was pointing at raring
[21:44] <phillw> darkxst: easier way, to make it release agnostic is to point to http://phillw.net/isos/ubuntu-gnome/ But I do provide the link directly to the new release. It's up to your wiki team as to how you want to deal with that.
[21:46] <phillw> darkxst: if it is only one wiki page, I don't mind adding it to our lubuntu wiki *TODO* listing whilst decisions are taken :)
[21:46] <phillw> As I'm a wiki editor for all flavours, it's just a reminder to me :)
[21:47] <darkxst> I updated the link, however we do have an empty Torrent section on that page
[21:48] <darkxst> and the download page on the website needs updating, but I know how much you like wordpress ;)
[21:48] <phillw> darkxst: as nadrimajstor has only just added a torrent link it will need editing
[21:49] <phillw> darkxst: the secret there is to do what we did for lubuntu.net It points to the wiki page GetLubuntu :D
[21:50] <phillw> darkxst: when you get time, have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#Pre_and_Post_release_TODO It's what we've built up over our releases to cut down on missing pages for us doc people, and a reminder for the devs. (It is actually in the dev / team area and not a general documation area).
[21:55] <darkxst> bjsnider, you probably need to update shlibs.local to fix buildflags issue
[22:01] <darkxst> why did you remove most of the configure flags? some of those still exist
[22:02] <darkxst> phillw, will have a look
[22:04] <phillw> darkxst: at your leisure. 13.10 is out, which is what matters :) Have a break before plunging head long into 14.04 :)
[22:05] <darkxst> 14.04 will be very quiet for us if Ubuntu stick with gnome 3.8
[22:05] <phillw> I'm looking forward to actually having a clean install of 13.10 on my machine... By heck, it's been pushed to its limits over this last cycle. But, guess what? I'd not have missed it for all the tea in China :D
[22:06] <phillw> I do not expect things for gnome or GTK (lubuntu uses a lot) will change for an LTS. It's just asking for trouble. Julien (our head of dev) expects 0% of Qt in 14.04.
[22:09] <bjsnider> darkxst, the build flags were removed because configure told me they are meaningless
[22:10] <bjsnider> i don't think they updated the info in configure --help because it disagrees with configure
[22:11] <darkxst> and --disable-schemas-compile?
[22:11] <bjsnider> had ot make sure the new schema got through
[22:13] <darkxst> but dpkg compiles schemas on install?
[22:13] <bjsnider> meh, i wasn't sure on that one
[22:13] <bjsnider> i really needed the schema, without it empathy-accounts crashes immediately
[22:14] <bjsnider> i'm not sure why the packaging was moved so far away from debian
[22:16] <bjsnider> darkxst, what would shlibs.local fix?
[22:16] <darkxst> the dependency issue you had with buildflags enabled
[22:17] <bjsnider> oh, cool, i'll run it through
[22:17] <bjsnider> i had it updated at one point but i deleted it by accident
[22:23] <darkxst> bjsnider, and do document changes in the changelog ;)
[22:37] <bjsnider> why isn't empathy multiarch?
[23:00] <bjsnider> darkxst, got a new debdiff with all those changes + a detailed changelog if you want