[00:20] <asdfubuntu> hi?
[00:56] <mandel`> lool, looking
[01:05] <mandel_> lool, wrong way to fix it :-/
[01:06] <mandel_> lool, I'll wake up tom early to get a fix asap
[01:09] <first> how do I install Ubuntu on iphones?
[01:16] <RAOF> first: First, you need to port Android to the iPhone…
[01:16] <RAOF> (So, the practical answer is: you can't)
[01:43] <Guest53042> I am getting "E::Can't open /cache/recover/ubuntu_command" when trying to install to my old N7 via phablet
[01:43] <Guest53042> anyone seen this>'
[01:51] <lexvars> hello guys
[01:51] <lexvars> it is october 17 yet?
[01:52] <lexvars> release day for ubuntu touch os right?
[01:52] <Guest53042> I think the files are already out there
[01:53] <Guest53042> but I got an error trying to install it on my N7
[01:53] <Guest53042> via phablet
[01:53] <lexvars> where the files are ?
[01:54] <Guest53042> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install to get instructions
[01:54] <Guest53042> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[01:54] <Guest53042> for the img
[01:54] <lexvars> great let me check
[01:54] <lexvars> i am planning to put it on galaxy s3
[01:55] <Guest53042> oh well good luck.  I think that is in the "might work" category
[01:56] <lexvars> lol
[01:56] <lexvars> until dont try
[01:56] <lexvars> never found out
[01:57] <lexvars> :)
[01:57] <lexvars> thank you guest53042
[01:58] <Guest53042> np
[02:12] <Guest53042> shouldn't 'adb reboot fastboot' be 'adb reboot bootloader'
[02:42] <Relys> Has anyone ported this to the Galaxy S4?
[03:22] <lexvars> relys
[03:22] <lexvars> ok i am lost lol
[03:23] <lexvars> i dont see the codename of mine on the list
[03:25] <harris> hey so the release date is tomarrow right
[03:26] <lexvars> it is 17 the release
[03:26] <harris> yes october 17th
[03:26] <lexvars> but is not 17 already in london?
[03:26] <harris> it is released tomorrow right
[03:27] <lexvars> ill be waiting ...
[03:27] <lexvars> want to be tomorrow now lol
[03:27] <harris> but on the status page there was a bunch of error red
[03:28] <lexvars> do you have the link?
[03:28] <harris> yes
[03:28] <lexvars> lets see
[03:28] <harris> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/Nexus
[03:29] <harris> wrong link
[03:29] <harris> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArLs7UPtu-hJdDZDNWliMmV1YUJ3Zk1pQlpDdGp4VFE&usp=sharing
[03:30] <harris> under nexus 7 which is what i have there is 3 red blocks
[03:30] <lexvars> ok wrong link
[03:30] <harris> here is the right one
[03:30] <harris> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArLs7UPtu-hJdDZDNWliMmV1YUJ3Zk1pQlpDdGp4VFE&usp=sharing
[03:31] <lexvars> let me check it out
[03:32] <lexvars> yeah the grouper
[03:33] <harris> yes
[03:33] <lexvars> but i dont see mine
[03:33] <lexvars> midas
[03:33] <lexvars> galaxy siii
[03:34] <harris> the grouper though how will that be released tomorrow
[03:34] <lexvars> in what category would be the galaxy
[03:34] <lexvars> s3 s4
[03:34] <lexvars> they are really highend
[03:35] <lexvars> harris
[03:35] <harris> you have the s3
[03:36] <lexvars> yes
[03:36] <lexvars> and have been waiting lol
[03:36] <harris> yours isnt coming out tommorow i dont think
[03:36] <harris> thats only for the 4 on that oage
[03:36] <lexvars> oh so i will have to keep waiting
[03:36] <harris> page because those are the only ones cononical are actually doing
[03:37] <harris> you can get yours unoffically
[03:37] <harris> right now
[03:37] <lexvars> do you have the link
[03:37] <harris> here is the page for your device and the status of things
[03:37] <harris> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9300
[03:37] <lexvars> so i can see if i do it
[03:38] <harris> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9300
[03:38] <harris> marlinc,
[03:38] <lexvars> ok great
[03:38] <lexvars> gotta save that page
[03:38] <lexvars> before lose it
[03:41] <lexvars> the call or sms isnt working yet
[03:41] <lexvars> gotta wait
[03:42] <lexvars> i dont want to mess with it unless can be properly functional
[03:43] <harris> wilee-nilee,
[03:44] <lexvars> right
[03:44] <lexvars> well i can keep track of the status
[03:44] <lexvars> now
[03:54] <OrokuSaki> Sup.. My orientation is wrong on my touchpad with th e terminal and camera app (my camera sensor is set at a 90 degree angle).. anyway to fix this permanently other then editing the qml files
[03:55] <OrokuSaki> with the onscreen keyboard, I mean!
[03:56] <OrokuSaki> Also, the terminal app runs in the sidestage though I am set for form factor tablet, when I change the qml to not run in a side stage, then my keyboard has the corrent orientation as well, but inside the sidestage, the keyboard is sideways
[03:56] <OrokuSaki> And it sucks to have a terminal in sidestage!
[03:56] <OrokuSaki> I am not sure if that is by design..
[03:57] <OrokuSaki> Still testing gstreamer\hybris video decoding. =)
[03:57] <OrokuSaki> noticed you guys are working on that
[04:02] <OrokuSaki> Here is today
[04:02] <OrokuSaki> http://pastebin.com/vXWHnSkh that is what happens when I do adb shell, login as phablet, and run mediaplayer-app /home/phablet/Videos/480p.mp4
[04:02] <OrokuSaki> Should I up the GST Debug level, its HUGE..
[04:03] <OrokuSaki> Finally did my roomservice.xml =) so I can easily update
[04:03] <OrokuSaki> though.. not all my subdirectories build.. I ave to edit main.mk and manually add device/hp \
[04:04] <OrokuSaki> then all the subfolders for my device.. touchscreen binary, hal's... actually get built.. I think that is strange....
[04:04] <OrokuSaki> I still have to add my vendor folder to my compiled zip as well.....
[04:08] <shoes_> Anyone got any info on the release tomorrow?
[04:39] <azathoth_> I'm having an issue with my recent install on a 2012 Nexus 7, has anyone else experienced SEVERE lag on the recent release and then the screen flickers and stops responding?
[05:22] <mss-devel> hello
[05:31] <azathoth_> is screen flicker/freezing a known bug on nexus 7 2012?
[05:39] <reves> When does the stable final ubuntu touch for nexus 7 release?
[05:40] <luongquyen> hello
[05:41] <luongquyen> I heard that ubuntu touch OS will be show today
[05:41] <luongquyen> but I still have no idea about it
[05:41] <reves> Yeah i am asking aboit that too. Would love to know if ita true
[05:42] <luongquyen> I really want to update my nexus 7 tablet into this OS
[05:43] <luongquyen> I knew that information couple week ago
[05:43] <Louis___> azathoth_ my nexus 7 was flickering a bit at low charge when still running android. After it charged a bit, it seemed to be fine
[05:44] <reves> Yeah me too. Cant wait to try something other than android
[05:44] <luongquyen> :)
[05:45] <luongquyen> I want to have the big change from this OS
[05:45] <reves> Can somebody clarify?
[05:45] <luongquyen> It make me really curious
[05:45] <nhaines> Yes, Ubuntu 13.10 comes out later today.
[05:46] <reves> Thats not the question
[05:46] <luongquyen> tomorow?
[05:46] <reves> Ubuntu touch stable
[05:46] <reves> When for nexus 7
[05:46] <nhaines> luongquyen: October 17th, 2013.
[05:46] <nhaines> reves: October 17th.
[05:47] <luongquyen> today is 17.Oct
[05:47] <reves> So they release desktop, server and touch all in one day
[05:47] <luongquyen> Oh, I see
[05:47] <reves> Right?
[05:47] <luongquyen> different time zone
[05:47] <luongquyen> maybe
[05:47] <luongquyen> :)
[05:47] <nhaines> reves: it is all Ubuntu 13.10, and it is released on October 17th.
[05:47] <reves> So one .iso? For everyrhing?
[05:48] <reves> How am i going to load an .iso on a tablet
[05:48] <nhaines> reves: no, different ISOs for everything, same as every release.
[05:48] <reves> Oh i see
[05:48] <nhaines> Same code base for everything.
[05:48] <reves> Thank you buddy
[05:49] <nhaines> reves: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ tells you everything you might need to know.  It's highly unlikely that there will be a new snapshot before the "official" Ubuntu 13.10 release.
[05:49] <nhaines> So you can save some time.  :)
[05:49] <nhaines> (If there is another snapshot, you can upgrade to it in System Settings > Updates)
[05:49] <luongquyen> So now I want gave a question
[05:50] <luongquyen> It is easy to Install?
[05:50] <luongquyen> zip file or something else?
[05:50] <nhaines> luongquyen: pretty easy, yes.
[05:50] <nhaines> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ has the installation instructions.
[05:50] <reves> Awesome, going to install right now
[05:50] <reves> Thanks for hekping
[05:51] <luongquyen> Sorry for bother you
[05:51] <luongquyen> but one more question
[05:51] <nhaines> Basically, you install phablet-tools package on Ubuntu 13.10, and then you can run 'phablet-flash ubuntu-system' to download and install it.
[05:52] <luongquyen> you now I can not wait more for this OS release
[05:53] <luongquyen> So may I know exactly time that it release?
[05:53] <nhaines> No, because this is never announced beforehand.
[05:53] <nhaines> Which is probably good.  Canonical's servers would explode.  :)
[05:54] <nhaines> But probably in about 6-8 hours, judging by the last few releases.
[05:54] <luongquyen> oh
[05:54] <luongquyen> I see
[05:54] <luongquyen> thank you so much
[05:55] <luongquyen> bye
[06:08] <azathoth_> Louis__ thanks, I'll try that out, I have 80% charge in it right now
[06:08] <azathoth_> but it keeps freezing up.
[06:08] <azathoth_> I'm on the stable version but doesn't seem to change.
[06:19] <hurryup> alright boys and girls. where can i grab the latest snapshot of ubuntu touch? i figure it's close enough to final by now
[06:23] <cuqa__> that spreadsheet from the topic (next status) still applies for the release today? nexus 7 not rly usable?
[06:33] <DropOfPeace> hello
[07:12] <arpit_> hey can anyone tell me when will ubuntu touch go live
[07:13] <arpit_> ??
[07:18] <pitti> duflu: hey Daniel, how are you?
[07:18] <pitti> duflu: are you really sure that bug 1240400 is a dupe of 1233988?
[07:18] <duflu> pitti: Hi. Could be better. Everything's gone wrong today
[07:18] <pitti> duflu: wow, happy release day :/
[07:18] <duflu> pitti: Yes. Just not confident all our fixes have actually fixed it yet
[07:19] <pitti> duflu: i. e. the maliit fix didn't land (when running tests I still regularly get that crash)
[07:20] <pitti> duflu: I was just sceptical because it's a segfault vs. an abort(), and the stack trace is also slightly different, and there is no "too early to connect to Mir" condition
[07:21] <duflu> pitti: I don't know then. I'm trying to clean up Mir bugs en mass. Might make mistakes.
[07:22] <pitti> duflu: I'm happy to undupe, and close it when verifying that fixing 1233988 will fix that, too
[07:22] <duflu> pitti: Go nuts. I have no strong opinion. No focusing on any of them for too long
[07:22] <duflu> +t
[07:23] <pitti> *nod*
[07:27] <caelestis> is there an eta on the releade today?
[07:27] <caelestis> release
[07:29] <caelestis> topic says no, sorry.
[07:33] <popey> \o/ someone read the topic. Thank you caelestis
[07:40] <ev> mhr3_: that's http://rt.admin.canonical.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=58019 (armhf support on errors.ubuntu.com)
[07:41] <ev> it's ready to go, it's just blocked on me for testing
[07:41] <ev> I hope to find time tomorrow (at a conference today) before I fly out to SF for the cloud sprint
[07:50] <pitti> I'm working on bug 1234743 and now would need someone with a maguro for testing some bits
[07:51] <pitti> ideally I could get an ssh session, but I can also toss you some built arm binaries to download and run (doesn't need to modify /lib or /usr/lib/, but does need some root commands)
[07:51] <pitti> ogra_, om26er ^ ?
[07:52] <om26er> pitti, I can test, just flashed to latest
[07:52] <pitti> om26er: as a beginning, can you verify that you see an endless stream of omapfb events with VSYNC= in "udevadm monitor -e --kernel"?
[07:52] <pitti> om26er: (works as normal user)
[07:53] <pitti> om26er: and, do you see systemd-udevd in top constantly being active? what's the percentage?
[07:54] <om26er> pitti, its stable if the phone is lying down. if I touch the screen things start appearing
[07:54] <pitti> om26er: right, that's expected
[07:54] <pitti> om26er: should look like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1234743/comments/28
[07:55] <pitti> om26er: and you see udevd in top?
[07:55] <om26er> pitti, yes systemd-udevd takes a few % of cpu
[07:55] <om26er> actually there are two systemd-udevd there
[07:56] <pitti> om26er: yeah, that's expected (it spawns of multiple workers)
[07:56] <pitti> om26er: ok, thanks; I'll build a new binary on arm and ask you again, in some minutes
[07:56] <om26er> pitti, sure
[07:58] <halov> is the 1.0 release today going to just be for the nexus 4 and galaxy nexus or will it include the nexus 7 and 10 devices
[08:05] <pitti> om26er: ok, ready for next step?
[08:05] <pitti> om26er: as phablet user, please wget http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/udevadm
[08:08] <pitti> om26er: then, please run that with "./udevadm monitor -e --kernel" and verify that you don't see those omapfb VSYNCS (but you should still see them in "udeavdm monitor -e --kernel") -- i. e. they are gone with my binary
[08:09] <Emery> ubuntu touch is so broken on the nexus 7, terminal crashes it lol
[08:12] <RobinFTW> Exciting day!
[08:12] <Emery> ikr!
[08:13] <om26er> pitti, now
[08:14] <Emery> I can update to stable through the OS updater can't I ?
[08:14] <om26er> pitti, I still see the VSYNC= line
[08:15] <pitti> om26er: ok, thanks; hang on
[08:15] <tvoss> Saviq, ping
[08:15] <Saviq> tvoss, pong
[08:16] <pitti> om26er: please re-download (md5sum 865ef..) and re-run
[08:17] <pitti> om26er: you should now see something like " msg message (297 bytes): change@/devices/" for those, please pastebin one (or a few)
[08:18] <om26er> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6249919/
[08:19] <pitti> om26er: ah, I clearly can't count
[08:19] <tsdgeos> guys, any reason that this wouldn't work?
[08:19] <tsdgeos> qmlscene foo.qml --desktop_file=/usr/share/applications/dialer-app.desktop
[08:19] <pitti> om26er: insert coin, try again (md5sum now bb0939..)
[08:20] <pitti> oh wait, I can count
[08:20] <om26er> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6249934/
[08:21] <Robot20> hello
[08:21] <Robot20> i read that ubuntu for smarphones should be released today
[08:22] <Robot20> is it allready avible for download?
[08:22] <pitti> om26er: err -- has the first line been cut off, or is there really no VSYNC in the "kernel msg (169 bytes)" line?
[08:23] <popey> Robot20: see /topic
[08:23] <Robot20> how do i do that?
[08:23] <pitti> om26er: does "cat /devices/platform/omapfb/uevent" work and give something readable? does that include VSYNC=...?
[08:24] <om26er> pitti, cat: /devices/platform/omapfb/uevent: No such file or directory
[08:24] <pitti> om26er: sorry, cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/uevent
[08:24] <halov> Robot20: it gets released today at an unspecified time
[08:24] <Robot20> ok, thanks for information
[08:24] <om26er> pitti, these logs look complete? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6249949/
[08:25] <Robot20> i want to install it on my huawei g525 :D
[08:25] <pitti> om26er: oh indeed, good
[08:25] <om26er> pitti, that only gives:
[08:25] <om26er> DRIVER=omapfb
[08:25] <om26er> MODALIAS=platform:omapfb
[08:25] <pitti> om26er: ok, nevermind; thanks
[08:26] <nhaines> Hmm, I'm looking at the media player on maguro and it doesn't seem to be working at all.
[08:26] <nhaines> Although by "not working" I mean that it loads but does not play the video.
[08:26] <popey> what video?
[08:27] <nhaines> big_buck_bunny_480p_stereo.ogg
[08:29] <popey> nhaines: don't think ogg is supported
[08:29]  * popey checks
[08:30] <popey> yeah, doesnt play here either
[08:30] <pitti> om26er: next round, md5 e6218..
[08:31] <nhaines> popey: a list of supported formats would be very interesting.
[08:32] <nhaines> H.264/AAC seems to work, although by "work" I mean flickers badly.
[08:32] <pitti> om26er: (could you perhaps build an ssh -R to chinstrap or so, so that I can log in myself?)
[08:33] <om26er> pitti, i don't have a chinstrap account(?) for me
[08:34] <pitti> om26er: I can create an account for you on my workstation, any of https://launchpad.net/~om26er/+sshkeys ?
[08:35] <om26er> pitti, first
[08:35] <om26er> pitti, with the latest binary http://paste.ubuntu.com/6249981/
[08:37] <pitti> om26er: try ssh om26er@martinpitt.no-ip.org ?
[08:39] <pitti> om26er: hm, so you still get a steady stream of those, right?
[08:40] <om26er> pitti, yes
[08:40] <om26er> and I cannot ssh btw
[08:40] <om26er> it just hangs in there
[08:40] <ogra_> did you start it  ?
[08:40] <ogra_> (it is preinstalled but stopped by default)+
[08:40] <om26er> ogra_, I tried from my laptop
[08:41] <om26er> actually ssh: connect to host martinpitt.no-ip.org port 22: Connection timed out
[08:41] <ogra_> om26er, lol, i shouldnt IRC when in meetings :P i though you try to get into your phone
[08:42] <Emery> screen is flickering then crashing when i try a system update, pretty fubar
[08:44] <xnox> ogra_: pitti: for bug #1234743 can we try something like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6250012/
[08:45] <ogra_> heh, thats simple
[08:45] <pitti> xnox: I have a preliminary patch which I'm currently testing with om26er
[08:45] <pitti> xnox: as I wrote on the bug, I would consider something like that as a last resort
[08:45] <xnox> ogra_: pitti: on my machine instead of using 130% (cpu core and a third), when continiously sending uevents it goes down to 30% cpu usage, and well still wake up calls.
[08:45] <xnox> ok.
[08:45] <pitti> xnox: as that will still keep waking up udevd 60 times/s
[08:45] <ogra_> Emery, what device and from which image version are you starting the upgrade
[08:45] <Emery> Nexus 7
[08:46] <Emery> from ubuntu-system --channel saucy
[08:46] <Emery> etc
[08:46] <pitti> xnox: I currently write some BPF rules on the kernel netlink source which should avoid the wkaeups completely
[08:46] <Emery> did it last night, so I presume newest
[08:46] <ogra_> yeah ... there might be issues with Mir on n7 ...
[08:46] <ogra_> you can switch back to surfaceflinger by removing /home/phablet/.display-mir
[08:46] <ogra_> (and rebooting)
[08:47] <xnox> pitti: yes it will still wake up.
[08:47] <ogra_> (note that you will lose some features without Mir now)
[08:47] <xnox> pitti: ok, excellent.
[08:47] <Emery> but will i be able to update to stable ogra_  ?
[08:47] <ogra_> Emery, yes
[08:47] <Emery> ok then it's no problem
[08:47] <pitti> xnox: I locally got it to ignore change events on a particular input device, now I need to adjust it for the omapfb stuff; currently sorting out ssh access with Omer
[08:47] <ogra_> as long as your image is a readonly system-image install you will be able to
[08:48] <Emery> i can use the termnal to rm. no ?
[08:48] <ogra_> (worst case from commandline via adb using "system-image-cli")
[08:48] <ogra_> yeah. you can
[08:50] <NK_> hello, In e near futur can we use apt-get to install software in U.T?
[08:50] <ogra_> NK_, not by default, UT uses click packages
[08:51] <NK_> like a fucking android
[08:51] <ogra_> NK_, if you are a system developer you can make the image rw and use apt, but you lose the ability to OTA upgrades
[08:51] <ogra_> please dont swear in here
[08:51] <diwic> ogra_, aren't the cdimage-touch images available anymore?
[08:52] <NK_> like a fucking android
[08:52] <ogra_> diwic, they are, but unsupported and untested
[08:52] <ogra_> popey, ^^^
[08:52] <popey> NK_: keep it family friendly please
[08:53] <NK_> same as ubuntu is family with me
[08:55] <diwic> ogra_, btw; I have a few routing issues on my todo-list, which I've been not looked into much because the archive was in freeze anyway and they didn't look critical. After 13.10 has been released, what's the proper procedure to fix them? Install 14.04 (if that's even possible?) and SRU back to 13.10 or something...?
[08:55] <ogra_> diwic, cdimage zips are just an interim product, the installation you get has a totally different design so we cant really support them
[08:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Poverty Day and, of course, happy Ubuntu 13.10 Release Day! :-D
[08:56] <ogra_> diwic, we dont do SRUs, as soon as T opens we'll just move on ... we're kind of rolling on top of the nromal archive
[08:56] <Emery> ogra_, what is the default sudo passwd for the phablet ?
[08:56] <popey> phablet Emery
[08:56] <Emery> thanks
[09:01] <diwic> ogra_, ok, I'll check back later (like, in a week or two?) and see if T is opened and ready for bug fixing, or how you want things at that point. Makes sense?
[09:03] <ogra_> diwic, well, just move on with working T should be ready by end of next week for uploading i guess
[09:03] <diwic> ogra_, ok, sounds good
[09:04] <diwic> I'm on Linuxcon Europe next week anyway
[09:04] <ogra_> ah
[09:04] <nhaines> ogra_: what features do you lose when switching from Mir to surfaceflinger?
[09:05] <Emery> ogra_, 50% faster with the mir removal
[09:05] <ogra_> nhaines, app management
[09:05] <ogra_> you will be able to accidentially start the same app twice and such stuff
[09:05] <nhaines> ogra_: oh, aha.  Nothing that will affect screenshotting then.  :)
[09:07] <tvoss> Emery, how do you measure?
[09:09] <Emery> speed of apps loading
[09:09] <Emery> pretty slugish before
[09:09] <Emery> apps freezing etc, screen flicker
[09:10] <ogra_> yes, thats tegra ...
[09:11] <Emery> i've had no issue with previous releases, apart from saucy
[09:11] <Emery> (newest)
[09:11] <ogra_> because it uses surfaceflinger
[09:12] <tvoss> Emery, is that a nexus7
[09:12] <tvoss> ?
[09:12] <ogra_> yes
[09:12] <Emery> it is
[09:13] <tvoss> Emery, expected, we needed to disable the hardware compositor for n7 due to an issue with the nvidia driver using process-shared mutexes, which in turn cannot be transported over the libc boundary
[09:14] <tvoss> Emery, as a result: Mir cannot leverage the same driver and hardware features as SurfaceFlinger does
[09:18] <Emery> tvoss, I see ! I hope it all gets fixed, I'm prefering it over android so far
[09:19] <tvoss> Emery, yup, working on it :)
[09:19] <Emery> excellent :)
[09:24] <nhaines> Is there a launchpad project for the welcome screen?
[09:25] <nhaines> I'm pretty disappointed that it's been ignored for 13.10 and I'm hoping there'll be some way to monitor it for 14.04.
[09:26] <RhanCandia> waiting ...
[09:27] <jarope> hi gents could someone please let me know the current PPA for the sdk with Qt5.1.1 support
[09:34] <pitti> rockin' -- omapfb/VSYNC uevents quiesced
[09:34] <pitti> ogra_, xnox ^
[09:34] <xnox> \o/
[09:34] <xnox> amazing.
[09:35] <Micol> Who ist je Download
[09:35] <om26er> nhaines, yes I hope (and expect) there will be a welcome screen for 14.04
[09:36] <om26er> nhaines, you can get screenshots on Mir as well, there is a script for that
[09:37] <nhaines> om26er: really?  Because I was explicitly told you couldn't.  Do you have a link to the script?
[09:37] <om26er> nhaines, http://people.canonical.com/~j-lallement/touch/mirfbdump
[09:38] <pitti> xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6250206/, you may vomit now
[09:38] <om26er> nhaines, connect the phone to usb and run it on your desktop
[09:39]  * pitti repairs tab damage
[09:40] <nhaines> om26er: well, the good news is that it doesn't support maguro.
[09:42] <om26er> nhaines, ouch, didn't know that.
[09:42] <xnox> pitti: nice. yes, big pile of vomit. How did you find out the raw packet string?
[09:42] <om26er> nhaines, running SurfaceFlinger ?
[09:43] <pitti> xnox: I temporarily added a dump_buf() to the receive function to print the raw packet
[09:43] <xnox> pitti: ah, excellent.
[09:43] <nhaines> om26er: I will be in a bit.
[09:43] <pitti> xnox: so that I saw them in udevadm monitor, like in http://paste.ubuntu.com/6249919/
[09:43] <om26er> jibel, does your mirfbdump script not work on maguro ?
[09:44] <nhaines> I wonder if it's from before mir worked on maguro.
[09:44] <pitti> xnox: but it's really quite straightforward, line breaks become \x00 and the prefix is eventtype@/devicepath
[09:44] <jibel> om26er, it doesn't
[09:45] <jibel> om26er, could you try to switch wifi several times, and checks if NM spams syslog and you pohne goes crazy?
[09:45] <om26er> jibel, maguro or mako? or both ?
[09:45] <jibel> om26er, on maguro
[09:46] <om26er> jibel, sure. Can do in a few minutes. currently pitti is in the phone (through ssh, not physically ofcourse)
[09:46] <pitti> om26er: I logged out
[09:47] <pitti> om26er: just one last thing, can you confirm that systemd-udevd is now quiet?
[09:47]  * ogra_ hugs pitti 
[09:47] <pitti> om26er: (even with screen action)
[09:47] <pitti> om26er: I still started it from /home/phablet/ (i. e. didn't replace the system instance)
[09:47] <om26er> pitti, yes, it is
[09:47] <pitti> om26er: otherwise I'm logged out of the device, you can have it back
[09:47] <ogra_> pitti, oh, that runs in a fieerent env
[09:47] <ogra_> Üdifferent
[09:48] <pitti> om26er: thanks, ssh access was very helpful; took a few iterations to get it right
[09:48] <pitti> ogra_: how do you mean?
[09:48] <nhaines> jibel: just curious, why doesn't your script work on maguro?
[09:48] <ogra_> if you fire it up as phablet
[09:48] <pitti> ogra_: nah, "sudo" of course; udevd needs root
[09:48] <pitti> (not that the environment would matter for the netlink filters)
[09:48] <om26er> pitti, no problem. glad it helped.
[09:48] <ogra_> yeah, indeed
[09:49] <jibel> nhaines, some people reported that dumping /dev/fb on maguro crashes the device
[09:50] <nhaines> jibel: that would be a good reason.
[09:50] <jibel> nhaines, I don't have a maguro but if anyone knows a way to safely dump the framebuffer I'd be happy to add support for it
[09:51] <om26er> jibel, I don't see it going crazy
[09:52] <|Chris|> gfbrui-=]
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[09:52] <nhaines> Ubuntu can't even power down maguro.
[09:52] <om26er> nhaines, from terminal you mean ?
[09:52] <|Chris|> Oh, sorry. Spilled some coffee.
[09:52] <nhaines> om26er: at all.  I mean from the power button.
[09:53] <om26er> nhaines, nhaines worked for me
[09:53] <om26er> oops
[09:53] <om26er> image 100
[09:53] <jibel> ogra_, om26er cannot reproduce by just enabling/disabling wifi, there is sometinhg else
[09:54] <nhaines> om26er: I haven't tried on 100.  But on 99 it still didn't work.  I guess I'll try now.
[09:54] <ogra_> jibel, yes, you need to actually be out of range ... or not completely out of range
[09:54] <ogra_> jibel, i get a WPA popup at some point
[09:55] <om26er> nhaines, yeah. tried again as well and turned off fine
[09:55] <nhaines> Well, I have to say I'm not sure whether to be impressed or disappointed it took 9 months.  But I'm definitely happy.
[09:55] <ogra_> when i type in the PW and afterwards dis/enable WLAN it starts
[09:55] <nhaines> Now if Bluetooth weren't broken it'd be perfect.  :)
[09:58] <ogra_> nhaines, BT is fine, its just the UI that isnt :P
[09:59] <ogra_> you can connect via terminal ... (indeed thatd fiddly)
[09:59] <ogra_> *thats
[10:00] <nhaines> ogra_: this still fits my definition of broken.
[10:00] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[10:01] <ogra_> it will be fixed in one of the next images
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all Happy release day
[10:02] <pitti> hey davmor2
[10:03] <nhaines> ogra_: that would be ideal!  :)
[10:11] <pitti> om26er: can you please yell at me if you see anything strange/not working with this modified udevd running?
[10:12] <om26er> pitti, can you give me a package to replace. I just flashed to android to record a video for a bug. Ubuntu is being flashed on the phone again
[10:13] <pitti> om26er: would it suffice for you to download https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1234743/+attachment/3880064/+files/systemd-udevd and replace /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd with that?
[10:13] <pitti> om26er: i. e. "sudo stop udev", replace file, "sudo start udev"
[10:13] <om26er> pitti, yes, no problem
[10:13] <pitti> om26er: I uploaded the package, but it needs to be accepted into -proposed first before it will actually build
[10:14] <pitti> om26er: if that's too inconvenient, I can build debs on a porter box, but I guess downloading and installing those shouldn't be much easier than the above?
[10:14] <om26er> pitti, no its fine
[10:14] <pitti> om26er: cheers
[10:16] <pitti> xnox: what is the lxc-android-config part of 1234743?
[10:16] <xnox> pitti: with your fix, it's invalid.
[10:17] <pitti> (don't call it a "fix"..)
[10:17] <ogra_> pitti, tvoss was lookint into the root cause in #ubuntu-mir before
[10:18] <ogra_> so there are chances we will eventually get a proper fix
[10:18] <ogra_> (the spam doesnt happen with surfaceflinger so it must flick some secret switch or some such)
[10:18] <pitti> ogra_: indeed; I've seen fixes for two other android drivers last week, so here's hope that omapfb will get fixed, too
[10:18] <pitti> ogra_: well, it only happens if there's something acutally changing on the screen
[10:18] <ogra_> well, we cant do without uevents apparently
[10:18] <ogra_> since the PVR driver dies then
[10:19] <tvoss> ogra_, pitti still trying to untangle all of the different commits to the drivers and why it does not happen on SF
[10:19] <ogra_> i tried a few different driver patches
[10:19] <pitti> ogra_: I tested this on om26er's maguro with SF, and I had to start/stop an app to make the events appear
[10:19] <pitti> tvoss: it does, just not all the time
[10:19] <tvoss> I wonder whether it could be because SF lives in the android container
[10:19] <pitti> I guess the userspace side can enable/disable them only for activity
[10:19] <pitti> but even then we don't want a gazillion events/wakeups
[10:19] <ogra_> yeah, something like that
[10:19] <pitti> as that still makes everythign slow
[10:19] <ogra_> i think ricmm had a tehory about this
[10:20] <tvoss> ogra_, pitti speaking of which, let me check something
[10:20]  * ogra_ wishes we could just fix PVR to use a sysfs node
[10:20]  * pitti toddles off for some lunch, my head is steaming a bit
[10:25] <tvoss> ogra_, pitti the one thing we don't do in mir is calling into the power HAL with the vsync hint: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/frameworks/native/+/03e407270c7ad76632f982c886d0776bed9e9b4c/services/surfaceflinger/DisplayHardware/PowerHAL.cpp
[10:28] <DropOfPeace> hello, is the new version already available?
[10:32] <ogra_> tvoss, well
[10:32] <ogra_> status_t PowerHAL::vsyncHint(bool enabled) {
[10:32] <ogra_> looks very suspicious
[10:32] <tvoss> ogra_, it does, I remember we looked at it
[10:39] <Emery> has ubuntu touch got the ability to save email logins etc when updated, or does it wipe during the update
[10:41] <ogra_> Emery, the OTA update wont touch user data
[10:41] <ogra_> and phablet-flash wont either unless you specify --no-backup
[10:41] <Emery> ah good, we still on for release this aft?
[10:41] <ogra_> yep
[10:41] <Emery> and I can update straight up ?
[10:41] <Emery> from touch ?
[10:42] <ogra_> if you are on image 100 already there will likely not be anything to upgrade to :)
[10:42] <Emery> where can I check that ?
[10:42] <ogra_> unless we find any super critical bugs
[10:42] <ogra_> in the updater in the system-settings
[10:42] <ogra_> or in the phone info in the system-settings
[10:43] <ogra_> the info page should have (r100) in brackets behind the "Ubuntu 13.10"
[10:43] <Emery> nope r99
[10:44] <Emery> I assume its a big update with a few fixes then to 100 ?
[10:44] <ogra_> try it, from the updater
[10:44] <ogra_> it should tell you how big it is
[10:44] <Emery> no software update available
[10:45]  * ogra_ guesses somewhere between 20 and 50M
[10:45] <ogra_> oh right we didnt release it to the stable channel yet
[10:55] <Gmax> So, today is the big day?
[10:55] <DropOfPeace> i hope so.
[10:55] <Gmax> Yup.
[10:56] <loooool> So after todays release nexus 10 should get bluetooth? It's a major thing holding me back (gotta have dat keyboard connected)
[10:57] <Gmax> Yeah
[10:57] <loooool> sweet
[10:57] <Gmax> I just want to have it on my Nexus 4 :)
[10:59] <pitti> tvoss: indeed, that sounds promising
[10:59] <tvoss> pitti, I just scanned through my irc logs. We ignored it as it is a no op on mako
[10:59] <DropOfPeace> i really want to have an alternative to android. so i hope ubuntu touch will stir up the market in the future.
[11:00] <Gmax> Yeah, me too
[11:00] <loooool> yeah, android feels a bit restricted compared to what a normal desktop OS can do
[11:00] <Gmax> Yeah
[11:00] <Gmax> But still, abdroid is pretty stable
[11:01] <loooool> yup
[11:01] <Gmax> Anyways I have to catch a bus about 2 minutes ago.
[11:01] <Gmax> Cya.
[11:01] <loooool> bye
[11:01] <DropOfPeace> for me android feels so overfeatured
[11:01] <|Chris|> !isitoutyet
[11:02] <ogra_> lol
[11:02] <loooool> lol wut?
[11:02] <ogra_> no. it isnt
[11:02] <Laney> lies
[11:02] <loooool> haha
[11:02] <DropOfPeace> :D
[11:02] <|Chris|> :/
[11:02] <smartboyhw> Unfortunately, the !isitoutyet factoid is correct only in #ubuntu-release-party:P
[11:03] <ogra_> |Chris|, it will be announced if it is released in #ubuntu-release-party
[11:03] <|Chris|> Monitoring that too ogra_ , thanks.
[11:04] <DropOfPeace> and yes you are right, andoid feels a bit restricted, especially for me as linux user
[11:04] <DropOfPeace> where can i monitor the release status? is this channel a good place?
[11:05] <ogra_> DropOfPeace, see what i said to Chris aboivge
[11:05] <|Chris|> "it will be announced if it is released in #ubuntu-release-party"
[11:05] <ogra_> *above
[11:05] <DropOfPeace> orga_ i see, thanks ;)
[11:15] <fzeta> hi
[11:31] <ogra_> asac, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes#Ubuntu_for_phones that could need some nice words :)
[11:32] <ogra_> asac, known issuers for touch looks good, but we have nothing in the actual release announcement section yet
[11:32] <ogra_> didrocks, lool ^^^
[11:32] <ogra_> (is anyone up fro writing something)
[11:32] <popey> while editing please change "Get the Ubuntu 13.10" to "Get Ubuntu 13.10"
[11:32] <popey> i can't edit, wiki seems unusable here
[11:32] <didrocks> ogra_: rick is working on it
[11:32] <ogra_> ah cool
[11:36] <tvoss> pitti, got the bug link for the udev spam handy?
[11:36] <tvoss> mdeslaur, o/
[11:37] <ogra_> bug #1234743
[11:37] <ogra_> tvoss, ^^^
[11:37] <pitti> tvoss: bug ... yes, that one
[11:38] <mdeslaur> hi tvoss
[11:39] <davmor2> tvoss: quick test, open the terminal, rotate you phone to landscape, open maliit, try typing top
[11:39] <ogra_> davmor2, i reported that to the kbd team
[11:40] <ogra_> davmor2, i thought it was fixed :(
[11:40] <davmor2> ogra_: nope
[11:40] <popey> only registers keypresses at the right end (bottom) of the phone
[11:40] <ogra_> yeah
[11:40] <popey> bug no?
[11:40] <davmor2> popey: indeed
[11:40] <ogra_> the area that it would cover when not rortated
[11:40] <greyback> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1236489
[11:40] <popey> boom
[11:40] <ogra_> awesome
[11:40] <ogra_> needs to go on release notes
[11:40] <popey> FSVO "awesome"
[11:41] <greyback> but it only landed like an hour ago
[11:41] <greyback> so too late :(
[11:41] <popey> good that its fixed though
[11:41] <ogra_> yeah
[11:41] <davmor2> ogra_: can't we clickify maliit ;)
[11:41] <ogra_> haha
[11:44] <popey> http://memegenerator.net/instance/42246244
[11:44] <tvoss> popey, :D
[11:45] <davmor2> popey: nice
[11:45] <davmor2> popey: I wonder if we can make the "Art of Clickification" stick :D
[11:45] <popey> heh
[12:06] <davmor2> popey: damn the backdrop app on the phone,  I rescaled the image to fit my phone and the backdrop chooser crops a huge section off it
[12:07] <davmor2> popey: wind up with "licky l thing
[12:07] <davmor2> "
[12:08] <davmor2> not quite the same
[12:08] <davmor2> licki even
[12:19] <melvster> hi all ... deiu ... thanks for the pointer :)
[12:19] <melvster> is now a good time to dive in to ubuntu touch app development?
[12:20] <Chocanto> melvster: It's always a good time ! :)
[12:20] <melvster> lol
[12:21] <melvster> i really need to get myself a device ... i was holding out for a nexus 5 ... but it seems ill have to hunt down a nexus 4 right now
[12:21] <ogra_> n4 is definitely the safer bet
[12:22] <ogra_> porting to a new architecture is quite some effort so dont expect n5 support soon
[12:22] <melvster> is it right that you at the moment you can only connect to open wifi?
[12:22] <melvster> oh right
[12:24] <gjbgu> hey where is new release ?
[12:24] <ogra_> no you can connect to WEP and WPA wifi just fine
[12:25] <melvster> oh great!
[12:25] <ogra_> gjbgu, not out yet ... it will be announced in #ubuntu-release-party with all the other images
[12:25] <gjbgu> thanks ogra
[12:39] <melvster> am i right, app store, market place, software center mean roughly the same thing?
[12:40] <baloov> hi! how is it going with ubuntu touch final release? im from russia, so there must be timezone differences between develepers and me
[12:42] <pmcgowan> melvster, yes
[12:42] <melvster> pmcgowan: thanks ... wow 68,000 apps!
[12:42] <pmcgowan> baloov, going well, the last build from yesterday will be promoted
[12:42] <pmcgowan> melvster, ?
[12:43] <melvster> pmcgowan: i just fired up my software center and it says there's 68010 items
[12:44] <baloov> pmcgowan , thank you!
[12:48] <mandel_> lool, ping
[12:50] <mhr3_> dednick, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1226311
[12:50] <mhr3_> not that
[12:50] <mhr3_> dednick, Dash/Apps/FrequentlyUsedAppsModel.qml
[12:51] <dednick> mhr3_: ta :) just edited a existing .desktop file to run my app
[12:51] <mhr3_> easy hacks ftw
[12:54] <javacoffee> anyone here?
[12:55] <cuqa> where do you get ubuntu touch now?
[12:55] <cuqa> have read some news that it were already released
[12:55] <javacoffee> heh.. came to ask similar question.. about when it was going to be released
[12:55] <thothie> same here.
[12:55] <javacoffee> i guess all we can do is wait and see
[12:56] <thothie> in the officiall website there's no announces yet. Except the developer preview part.
[13:01] <zitom> are there some news for release?
[13:01] <ogra_> zitom, release will be announced in #ubuntu-release-party once it happens
[13:04] <lool> mandel_: png
[13:04] <lool> pong
[13:05] <mandel_> lool, it was easier to just to remove -DDEBUG from compilation, but I'm going to do the following, keep -DDEBUG for debug msgs (make them less verbose) and add a -DVERBOSE just for that, to be very verbose in case if we ever need it
[13:06] <mandel_> lool, I've already fixed the signal issues, I expect to have this in 30/45 mins
[13:11] <lool> mandel_: in a HO, will be right with you
[13:18] <lool> mandel_: sorry back
[13:19] <lool> mandel_: so
[13:19] <lool> mandel_: The reason I didn't -UDEBUG globally is because I saw some callbacks / signals were connected when DEBUG was defined
[13:19] <lool> mandel_: This seemed intrusive to change
[13:20] <lool> mandel_: The approach I took was less intrusive to runtime behavior, and could be overriden with environment, so seemed the best for a quick stable upate
[13:20] <mandel_> lool, yes, those are to be verbose about the networkinfo, don't worry I'll get everything in better shape
[13:20] <lool> mandel_: However now I find the messages /not verbose enough/
[13:20] <woow> HAY  when is the 1.0 version out?
[13:21] <mandel_> lool, I'm adding a TRACE definition that will be very verbose and a DEBUG one that will be what you want
[13:21] <lool> mandel_: in reality, we need to triage messages so that we get: a) important information at info level always logged, such as connection start/stop/paused  b) debug messages for lower level events, perhaps retries for instance  c) trace level for traffic such as progress reports
[13:21] <lool> mandel_: Trace >> exactly
[13:21] <lool> mandel_: So we need to revisit the actual log lines and reclassify
[13:22] <tvoss> lool, mandel_ do we use lttng for tracing here?
[13:22] <lool> mandel_: but it's not something I could do in one hour, and it's something really you understand better than anyone I'm sure
[13:22] <lool> tvoss: this is about the trace level events from download mangaer
[13:22] <mandel_> lool, we have CRITICAL,  WARNING, DEBUG (should be info) and TRACE
[13:22] <lool> tvoss: that is, e.g. download progress
[13:22] <mandel_> tvoss, yeah, is more high level
[13:22] <tvoss> lool, ah :)
[13:23] <mandel_> lool, I spoke with ralsina we should standarize a better logging lib that the default on in Qt
[13:23] <mandel_> lool, so that logging can be done the same way in Qt and QML
[13:24] <lool> mandel_: Well why not
[13:24] <lool> mandel_: I think what you have is decent
[13:24] <lool> mandel_: you already kind of reinvented enough of that wheel I think   ;-)
[13:24] <lool> mandel_: which is ok, it's not too big
[13:24] <woow> when is the 1.0 version out? can anybody say me pls :)
[13:24] <lool> mandel_: it's just we need to categorize the log types right and have good knobs; if you want to use log4cpp or something that's fine too I guess
[13:24] <mandel_> lool, it is good enough, is just that we are copying that code from one place to another, and I need to add file rotation
[13:25] <lool> woow: the images wont change much, annoucement is later today
[13:25] <lool> woow: watch ubuntu.com
[13:25] <woow> ok
[13:25] <lool> mandel_: rotation is probably something we need anyway for other logs, so yeah
[13:25] <mandel_> lool, I'm just trying to avoid as many dependencies as possible, that is why I did not use log4cpp or something of the kind
[13:26] <lool> mandel_: while I'm at it, the ~/ location is awful  :-)
[13:26] <lool> ~/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager/ubuntu-download-manager/ubuntu-download-manager.log
[13:26] <mandel_> lool, the xdg cache one?
[13:26] <lool> seriously
[13:26] <lool> mandel_: :-)
[13:26] <mandel_> lool, ha, I did not know there was an extra  ubuntu-download-manager in the path there..
[13:27] <mandel_> lool, should be xdg_cache/ubuntu-download-manager/8.log
[13:27] <mandel_> lool, for whenever we rotate them
[13:27] <mandel_> lool, will fix that too
[13:34] <cjwatson> Was it intentional that http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/install says "Instructions for flashing a phone or tablet device with Ubuntu" but then only lists phones as supported?
[13:34] <lool> mandel_: what's important is getting something simple in ASAP
[13:34] <OrokuSaki> Anyone know if we are using the gstreamer drm in linux.. or in android???
[13:34] <mandel_> lool, on it as fast as I can
[13:34] <lool> mandel_: My change seem to do the job, albeit we're missing information
[13:35] <lool> mandel_: but things like revisiting all logs or adding a logging lib seem like future improvements
[13:35] <lool> mandel_: it's not like we need log4cpp today
[13:35] <lool> mandel_: in the next days we want something to get us just the basic events out of u-d-m, and stop the huge debugging spews
[13:35] <lool> mandel_: Did you see there's also garbage going to syslog?
[13:35] <lool> not sure what it is
[13:35] <lool> it's prefixed ubunut-d-m though
[13:36] <kaffeebohne> Hi, I get this error after booting the ubuntu recovery https://paste.xinu.at/HRGX/ Any ideas?
[13:36] <mandel_> lool, yes, is utf8 chars not being handled correctly, I'm getting those out of the way
[13:36] <mandel_> lool, part of the fix too
[13:36] <OrokuSaki> I believe my HP Touchpad is using OpenMAXAL for Video Rendering.. and I can't seem to compile that in Ubuntu Touch.. And I notice the OpenMAXAL library is not present after compiling my device source, though it IS present in my actual CyanogenMod Rom...
[13:36] <OrokuSaki> Guess jhodapp is not around at the moment
[13:37] <NameX> hi ! is ubuntu touch stable version online ?
[13:37] <OrokuSaki> GST-OpenMaxal
[13:37] <Chocanto> cjwatson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[13:38] <cjwatson> Chocanto: yes I'm aware
[13:38] <lool> mandel_: Ok
[13:38] <cjwatson> Chocanto: I'm just talking from the perspective of imagining somebody new coming to the page
[13:38] <lool> mandel_: so what's timing like?
[13:38] <kaffeebohne> Ah, fixed it, had to restart the adb server
[13:38] <cjwatson> "oh hey I can flash it on tablets"  "hm no tablets listed"
[13:38] <lool> mandel_: you seemed to be against my change
[13:38] <Chocanto> cjwatson: Yes of course ! If someone port a new phone on ubuntu touch
[13:39] <mandel_> lool, your change in in trunk, so if you want, we can go with that
[13:39] <lool> mandel_: will you propose something small short-term and then work on larger things long-term?  do we want to take my change short-term?
[13:39] <Chocanto> cjwatson: This page is always envolving !
[13:39] <mandel_> lool, but I have a small thing comming up and will work in a good solution later
[13:39] <lool> mandel_: Ok; I think we should go with this one in the short-term then, it's small and has been confirmed as solving the issue, even if we lose information
[13:39] <lool> mandel_: your small thing is when in terms of timing?
[13:39] <lool> mandel_: Friday?
[13:39] <mandel_> lool, son in 30 mins I'll be done with a solution with more logs and some issues fixed
[13:39] <mandel_> lool, 30 mins, so today :)
[13:40] <lool> mandel_: just to plan the u-d-m upload; this is kind of top of the list of final released image
[13:40] <lool> mandel_: awesome
[13:40] <lool> mandel_: thanks!
[13:40] <Chocanto> cjwatson: Oh yes ok I understand, you are right
[13:40] <NameX> when ll be launch the final version of ubuntu touch pls ? wasnt today ?
[13:41] <smartboyhw> (Somebody change channel topic?)
[13:41] <Chocanto> cjwatson: I think they listed only images entirerly compatible with ubuntu
[13:41] <Chocanto> *devices
[13:41] <Kulithian> Final version? Isnt ubuntu touch still alpha?
[13:42] <Chocanto> NameX: It's not the final version, and it's at the same time as ubuntu 13.10
[13:43] <NameX> Chocanto: ho i thought that it was the first real version ;)
[13:43] <cjwatson> Chocanto: sure, I'm aware of why it ended up that way
[13:43] <kaffeebohne> Ok, so I "installed" it on my mako, following the manual download & install instructions (because I'm not running Ubuntu). Now the Phone (Nexus 4) stops at the google sign if i want to boot the system
[13:43] <Chocanto> NameX: Yes It's a "real" version, but a lot of work have to be done again ! :)
[13:44] <NameX> Chocanto: ok ! do you know if there is a clock alarm ? I had to go back Android cause of that :P
[13:45] <ogra_> NameX, see the reease notes ... it is mentioned there
[13:46] <NameX> ogra_ didnt see something about clock alarm there ...
[13:46] <Chocanto> NameX: Yes of course! :) The clock-app will be your friend
[13:46] <NameX> Chocanto: good ty ! ;)
[13:47] <davmor2> hmm has someone done a bug for the chromebar not being available in landscape mode?
[13:48] <Kulithian> I've yet to see the newest release for utouch13 since i only have the sprint gs3
[13:48] <Kulithian> :\
[13:49] <jamal> dears?! is it released?! i can't wait :-)
[13:49] <Chocanto> jamal: But you have to :)
[13:49] <zuiopz> hello I get this error # phablet-flash ubuntu-system >>  ERROR:phablet-flash:[Errno 2] No such file or directory
[13:50] <jamal> so it's mean not yet? :-(
[13:50] <Chocanto> zuiopz: Did you install phablet ?
[13:50] <zuiopz> no no
[13:50] <Chocanto> zuiopz: So try install it before using it!
[13:50] <Chocanto> zuiopz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[13:50] <zuiopz> it's allready install
[13:51] <Chocanto> zuiopz: Follow Step 1 - Desktop Setup
[13:52] <zuiopz> ]# phablet-flash ubuntu-system INFO:phablet-flash:Device detected as maguro INFO:requests.packages.urllib3.connectionpool:Starting new HTTPS connection (1): system-image.ubuntu.com WARNING:phablet-flash:XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR could not be read INFO:phablet-flash:Download directory set to /root/phablet-flash/imageupdates INFO:phablet-flash:Downloading https://system-image.ubuntu.com/pool/ubuntu-2b5345658b58e55207c4a4e7b6b3d8cd4f3d9a3
[13:53] <Chocanto> zuiopz: Use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ for pasting
[13:53] <adc> kaffeebohne: I had that problem when I tried to install it from my laptop running Debian Jessie. When I afterwards tried it from my Ubuntu 13.10 workstation, it worked just fine
[13:54] <zuiopz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6251131/
[13:54] <kaffeebohne> adc: it was a pebcak, sorry. But I've got only one machine and won't install ubuntu on it. ;)
[13:54] <Guest2198> has ubuntu touch 1.0 been released today?
[13:55] <Kulithian> Do they have a d2spr port yet then?
[13:55] <Chocanto> zuiopz: What are you trying to o ?
[13:55] <Chocanto> *do
[13:55] <zuiopz> make a cofee
[13:55] <ogra_> Guest2198, yup
[13:56] <Hackintech> sudo make -j4 coffee
[13:56]  * Hackintech runs
[13:56] <Chocanto> Hackintech: +1
[13:56] <zuiopz> phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel stable
[13:58] <Chocanto> zuiopz: Yes ok, but what are you trying to do ? You want to install ubuntu touch in a new device ? Update ubuntu touch already installed in a device ?
[13:58] <Guest2198> ogra, then are its image still in daily current page at cdimage
[13:58] <ulrix> hi all, I want to download the new ubutnu touch SW version for my nexus 4 - everybody knows where can I download the ubuntu touch? - thx ulrix
[13:59] <zuiopz> To make a fresh install on a new device
[13:59] <ogra_> Guest2198, we dont use cdimage for the official touch images (well we do as an interim product, the final image is system-image.ubuntu.com and needs pahblet-flash for the installation though)
[14:00] <kaffeebohne> is the "boot screen" black?
[14:00] <Guest2198> thanks a lot ogra.
[14:01] <Chocanto> zuiopz: Try only phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup
 same
[14:02] <Chocanto> zuiopz: You are sending this command trought your desktop, right ?
[14:02] <newbieand> hi, can anyone help me to install ver 1.0 on my nexus 4 ?
[14:03] <ogra_> kaffeebohne, there is no bnootscreen ...
[14:03] <ogra_> (for this release)
 don't understand, I'm ROOT
[14:04] <kaffeebohne> ogra_: Yes, thats what i ment
[14:05] <melvster> there are 68010 apps in the software center is there a way I can find HTML5 apps that run on ubuntu touch?
[14:06] <newbieand> is there flashable file, so that i can flash the rom, same as any custom android roms !
[14:07] <ogra_> newbieand, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[14:08] <Chocanto> ogra_: Is it possible to put this link in the topic ? ^^
[14:08] <ogra_> i thought it was once
[14:09] <newbieand> why its with .tgz extension ? can i able to flash it with custom recovery
[14:09] <ogra_> popey, why did we remove it ?
[14:09] <ogra_> newbieand, ?
[14:09] <ogra_> newbieand, ?
[14:09] <ogra_> newbieand, did you read the link i gave you ?
[14:09] <newbieand> occam-jwr66y-factory-74b1deab.tgz
[14:09] <Chocanto> ogra_: Because everybody will ask this same question...
[14:09] <d0od> My OTA update to 100 downloads fully, but when I hit 'install & restart' it gives "apply update failed, no update has been downloaded"
[14:10] <ogra_> newbieand, read the link ... "restoring android" specifically
[14:10] <popey> ogra_: remove what?
[14:10] <ogra_> popey, the link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[14:10] <popey> oh the topic got long
[14:11] <ogra_> d0od, when was this install done ? might be that the system-image version on this was still buggy
[14:11] <popey> d0od: I'd kill system settings (long press, close) and restart
[14:11]  * ogra_ would recommend a fresh phablet-flash with the saucy image to be sure you are not carrying old bugs around from the devel release
[14:12] <popey> or that
[14:12] <popey> "upgrades never work" meme in action
[14:12] <ogra_> haha
[14:12] <ogra_> well, it is v1.0 ... from here on it should be safe and not regress anymore
[14:12] <ogra_> pre 1.0 definitely had some issues on the way
[14:12] <popey> i think your decimal point is in the wrong place ㋛
[14:13] <ogra_> haha
[14:13] <Tassadar> is it really 1.0? not 13.10? Oo
[14:13] <Chocanto> "should be safe" ahah !
[14:13] <popey> its a 1.0 of phone based off 13.10
[14:13] <popey> we'll move very soon to the next release, T-T (which will become 14.04)
[14:13] <w-flo> shush! /me is currently upgrading his desktop to saucy.. so stop talking about updates that never work :P
[14:14] <ogra_> haha
[14:14]  * ogra_ didnt mean to say upgrades never work 
[14:14]  * popey crosses fingers for w-flo 
[14:14] <Noize> Is 1.0 available to flash?
[14:14] <ogra_> but there were several images where OTA was broken
[14:14] <zuiopz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6251212/
[14:14] <ogra_> if you are on one of these phablet-flash is the better option top get to 1.0
[14:15] <popey> zuiopz: why are you root?
[14:15]  * ogra_ was about to ask
[14:15] <zuiopz> if you get stuck at ' < waiting for device > ' and your phablet reboots into android, you may have to run phablet-flash under sudo
[14:15] <ogra_> yes
[14:16] <ogra_> not as root user
[14:16] <zuiopz> root is sudo no?
[14:16] <ogra_> (sudo keeps your env ... among these the download dir)
[14:16] <zuiopz> ha
[14:16] <zuiopz> ok
[14:19] <mandel_> lool, FYI I'm done, testing it on a phone and will push for you to take a look
[14:19] <nextdropping> I am on one of the phabelt flash devices. Can I get the 1.0 by following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install ? Like I did for the developer preview?
[14:19] <mandel_> lool, more logs added plus extra flag (TRACE) for when we really need to test
[14:19] <kaffeebohne> How can I "sync" data (like wallpapers and music) to my nexus 4?
[14:19] <kaffeebohne> I guess mtp is not working atm.
[14:20] <pmcgowan> kaffeebohne, mtp does work over usb
[14:20] <sergiusens> kaffeebohne, it should be working
[14:20] <pmcgowan> nautilus should pop up
[14:20] <dpjust14> Hello!
[14:20] <kaffeebohne> It's not working for me.
[14:21] <pmcgowan> what version desktop?
[14:21] <dpjust14> need help with installation!!!
[14:21] <popey> dpjust14: wassup?
[14:21] <kaffeebohne> I'm not using Ubuntu on my Laptop, but I've been using mtp without a problem with my nexus 4 in the past. ;)
[14:21] <popey> kaffeebohne: we only tested mtp with ubuntu
[14:22] <pmcgowan> but still should work
[14:22] <dpjust14> have nxs4 and my phone get stuck in recovery...
[14:22] <popey> kaffeebohne: what you running? [ ] Windows or [ ] OSX or [ ] - Other?
[14:22] <kaffeebohne> Arch Linux popey.
[14:22] <popey> oh. I'm sorry.
[14:23] <popey> kaffeebohne: if you run "dmesg", do you see interesting things pop up when you plug the phone in?
[14:23] <kaffeebohne> But I can use adb as far as I can see. Thats enough for me, I don't have to deal with a lot of files on a daily basis.
[14:23] <popey> kaffeebohne: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6251255/ like that
[14:23] <popey> ok, well, it should work
[14:24] <popey> but as you can expect we haven't tested on arch. feedback welcome if you get it working though!
[14:24] <dpjust14> it displays the message error cant flash zip because a failed md5 assert in cwm recovery 6.0.3.6
[14:25] <kaffeebohne> The phone is even recognized by my kde setup, but mtp crashes when I want to use it.
[14:25] <popey> ah bummer
[14:25] <dpjust14> help please...
[14:25] <popey> ogra_: seen that ^^
[14:25] <popey> from dpjust14
[14:25] <dpjust14> stuck on bootloop with the error described above
[14:26] <ogra_> popey, nope
[14:26] <kaffeebohne> adb is working fine
[14:26] <davmor2> kaffeebohne: reboot the phone with it plugged into you arch box see if it finds it then?
[14:26] <dpjust14> it displays the message error cant flash zip because a failed md5 assert in cwm recovery 6.0.3.6
[14:27] <fluxspir> hi :)
[14:27] <lool> mandel_: Ok; also, runtime is preferred over build time from my perspective at least
[14:27] <lool> mandel_: I personally felt the signals being wired differently between debug and non-debug builds were really scary
[14:27] <dpjust14> ...
[14:27] <ogra_> dpjust14, this is with phablet-flash ?
[14:27] <kaffeebohne> davmor2: The device is seen.
[14:27] <dpjust14> phone flash
[14:28] <noize_> How do I check to see if I have Ubuntu-Touch 1.0 if the system is read-only?
[14:28] <popey> noize_: adb shell system-image-cli -i
[14:28] <dpjust14> grrr bitch
[14:28] <ogra_> dpjust14, using the pahblet-flash tool from the pahblet-tools package ?
[14:28] <ogra_> *phablet-flash
[14:28] <mandel_> lool, so, those signals are diff because I'm using a pimpl pattern and I cannot use the new signal connection in that case, ideally without debug you can get a compiler warning if a signal doesn't exist rather than a warning at run time
[14:28] <davmor2> kaffeebohne: it reboots the mtp server
[14:28] <dpjust14> grrrr bitch
[14:28] <ogra_> dpjust14, (as described on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install)
[14:29] <dpjust14> gotcha bitch
[14:29] <ogra_> can you please stop that ?
[14:30] <noize_> tahnk you popey!
[14:30] <noize_> *tahnk
[14:30] <noize_> *Thank
[14:30] <popey> np
[14:30] <popey> oh
[14:30] <tedg> So where are we with SF support.  Can we start dropping that?
[14:30] <kaffeebohne> davmor2: Ah, ok. I'll try that
[14:30] <ogra_> tedg, lol, no
[14:30] <tedg> ogra_, Tomorrow?
[14:30] <ogra_> tedg, unless you want to make Mir work on all ports right now
[14:31] <tedg> Frankly, I'm not too worried about ports.
[14:31] <dpjust14> urethral play
[14:31] <ogra_> tedg, our community is
[14:32] <davmor2> tedg: to have a usable nexus 7 you have to drop mir
[14:33] <tedg> I feel like we have a few work arounds in the code that need to go...
[14:33] <tedg> It seems like we need to decide when that time is.
[14:33] <ttoine> hello, I would like to now if it is possible to install open jdk 7 jre on Ubuntu Touch, and then run java applications ???
[14:33] <ogra_> tedg, probably in a year
[14:33] <tedg> There will always be someone, somewhere, that wants SF support.
[14:33] <ogra_> tedg, unless you want top piss off everyone helping us out there
[14:34] <tedg> ogra_, Uhm, helping us have to maintain two display servers?  ;-)
[14:35] <tedg> Folks can still port 1.0
[14:35]  * ogra_ sighs
[14:35] <popey> ttoine: you can try, we haven't tested java apps on ubuntu for phones
[14:35] <ogra_> tzhats the attitude that had us only have 100 ppl in #ubuntu-release-party today (where we were never under 300)
[14:36] <ogra_> i can slowly understand if people blame us for giving a sh*t about community
[14:37] <seb128> ogra_, tedg: don't drop SF support please, we still have lot of n7 around and those are useless on Mir
[14:38] <ogra_> seb128, right and we sent people out to XDG events to encourage people to port and the like
[14:39] <tedg> ogra_, There's supporting community, but also doing useful things.  We'd be better off if they would help us get Mir working on those devices than get UTouch working on SF.
[14:39] <ogra_> tedg, sure, would be good if they help porting over, no doubt in that
[14:40] <ogra_> but forcing them to start from something completely broken isnt nice
[14:40] <seb128> tedg, I doubt that making Mir works great on those device is simple "port"
[14:40] <noize_> Any way to import google contacts on 1.0 ? The old way doesn't seem to work
[14:40] <tedg> ogra_, yes, we shouldn't make them use surface flinger ;-)
[14:41] <ttoine> popey, sure I will test. If it works, I will let you know. I will test the phone as a java app server (tomcat) and with an app based on Eclipse
[14:41] <ogra_> tedg, we shouldnt just piss them off ... if you want to do that, please ask jono first
[14:41] <popey> ttoine: haha, excellent
[14:41] <popey> ttoine: frontend stuff likely won't work
[14:42] <oal> Hi
[14:42] <tedg> seb128, Sure, more work in general.  But probably not too bad for more modern devices.
[14:42] <pmcgowan> noize_ I just re-imported and it worked fine, ran logged in as phablet user
[14:42] <tedg> seb128, It depends on drivers of course.
[14:42] <ttoine> popey, I guess, yes:  my galaxy nexus will miss RAM
[14:42] <oal> How come there's a download button on the Ubuntu Phone page, but not the Tablet page?
[14:42] <ttoine> popey, the other problem may be floating points
[14:42] <ogra_> we have a tablet page ?
[14:43] <oal> http://www.ubuntu.com/phone and http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet
[14:43] <seb128> tedg, it feels like something technically difficult enough to not be accessible to/doable by most contributors
[14:43] <fluxspir> is there any chance we may install ubuntu-touch (one day) on a ThL or ZOPO phone/phablet ?
[14:43] <popey> fluxspir: if someone ports it, sure.
[14:43] <ogra_> fluxspir, if someone (or you) does a port of it to that device ...
[14:43] <fluxspir> noone ever try until now ?
[14:43] <noize_> pmcgowan, did youuse the .cvs method? or sync evolution?
[14:44] <tedg> seb128, I don't believe that to be the case, but mind you, I've not done it :-)
[14:44] <ogra_> !devices | fluxspir
[14:44] <pmcgowan> noize_, syncevolution
[14:44] <ogra_> fluxspir, have a look if it is there, if not someone has to port it
[14:44] <noize_> did use use sudo under su - phablet
[14:44] <fluxspir> thx popey & ogra for the quick response :)
[14:44] <pmcgowan> noize_, I logged in over ssh actually
 i flashed my galaxy nexus and i recieve a message saying ROM may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix?
 THIS CAN NOT BE UNDONE
 what shoud i do?
 down is written " Ubuntu update complete.
[14:44] <fluxspir> ogra_: olready watch it... there isn't any thl/zopo there
[14:44] <ogra_> noize_, dont use su ... "sudo -u phablet -i" to become the phablet user
[14:45] <noize_> pmcgowan, not with adb then?
[14:45] <pmcgowan> no
[14:45] <davmor2> pmcgowan: your bt headset do you get the same lack of audio on saucy desktop too, I did but just assumed it was the headset so was going to look into it more when I was less busy
[14:45] <pmcgowan> unless you do as ogra_ suggests
[14:45] <pmcgowan> davmor2, have not tried on desktop lately
[14:45] <jamal> should i select YES
[14:47] <erffdfds234> привет посоны
[14:47] <erffdfds234> где убунта епта?
[14:47] <popey> !en | erffdfds234
[14:47] <erffdfds234> ok bro
[14:47] <popey> ☻
[14:48] <erffdfds234> relise today?
[14:48] <davmor2> pmcgowan: I'm assuming if it doesn't work on the desktop too it will be easier to diagnose there, than on the phone then apply the fix to phone and confirm the fix there was my thought at any rate :)
[14:48] <pmcgowan> davmor2, ok let me pair it and see
[14:48] <popey> erffdfds234: ya
[14:48] <loli> hey where can i download the touch image?
[14:48] <erffdfds234> hey where can i download the touch image? x2
[14:49] <erffdfds234> i have nexus 4 mazafaka :)
[14:49] <mfisch> stgraber: do you know when the release re-opens? I'd like to push that font change at some point that we'd discussed
[14:49] <mhall119> sergiusens: so all of the core apps are installed as click packages now right?
[14:49] <noize_> Currently when I attempt to ssh via usb(following adb localhost setup) I receive this: ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer
[14:49] <davmor2> erffdfds234: Installing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[14:49] <erffdfds234> thx bro
[14:50] <stgraber> mfisch: well, we need a name first, once we have that, usually within 48h
[14:50] <sergiusens> mhall119, yeah
[14:50] <mfisch> I love that the name is the gating function ;)
[14:50] <erffdfds234> its offical relise?
[14:50] <mhall119> sergiusens: even terminal and file manager?
[14:50] <loli> davor i read that but not understood if the image is downloaden while the install process...
[14:51] <mhall119> popey: which apps have actually marked themselves as being 1.0?
[14:51] <sergiusens> mhall119, yes
[14:51] <popey> mhall119: i thought sergiusens had bumped them all
[14:51] <sergiusens> popey, mhall119 no, I don't bump version numbers, only append build revno to version for a more CI like xp
[14:51] <mhall119> all of them are 1.0 now?
[14:52] <sergiusens> mhall119, rssreader I think is not
[14:52] <sergiusens> mhall119, let me script something for you
[14:52] <erffdfds234> hey give me dowland image link pls)
[14:52] <davmor2> popey: in file browser can you open a document?
[14:52] <popey> davmor2: known bug
[14:53] <davmor2> popey: ah cool not just me then
[14:53] <pmcgowan> davmor2, audio not going to headset
[14:54] <kaffeebohne> Can I remove the videos section from my home screen?
[14:54] <noize_> I am still unable to access my device via ssh, using adb remote tcp:8888 tcp:22, any suggestions?
[14:55] <pmcgowan> noize_, you need to enable ssh first
[14:55] <davmor2> pmcgowan: okay so I can confirm that I have the same thing here with my headset.  charles is there a way to get chip info from the bt headset to help with a bug?  Also I'm assuming the issue with audio connection is going to be one in pulse perhaps?
[14:56] <pmcgowan> noize_, adb shell echo | sudo tee /etc/init/ssh.override
[14:56] <pmcgowan> adb shell service ssh start
[14:56] <ahalverson> On http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/install, it says that the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4 are the only officially supported devices, so what happened to the Nexus 7 and 10?
[14:56] <pmcgowan> they are not phones ;)
[14:57] <rsalveti> ahalverson: we focused on phones for this release
[14:57] <ahalverson> So does that mean that Ubuntu Touch for Tablet isn't out yet?
[14:57] <rsalveti> it's out, just not the same quality unfortunately
[14:58] <rsalveti> that's why they are still showing as preview
[14:58] <caelestis> is there a way to install from a windows machine?
[14:58] <AaronMT> Hi, how long is the typical phablet-flash ubuntu-system on a Galaxy Nexus? It's been idle for about 10 minutes now
[14:59] <ahalverson> rsalveti: Is there any way to access the preview for tablets?
[14:59] <ogra_> AaronMT, with the progress bar on screen ? it takes like 15min for that step
[15:00] <mfisch> stgraber: are we keeping the concept of daily/daily-proposed? I ask because we have our test suite running now and would like to setup gating
[15:00] <AaronMT> ogra_: Yes, nevermind, looks like it just ended
[15:00] <pmcgowan> davmor2, I dont see the bt headset as an output device
[15:00] <davmor2> pmcgowan: I do it just does nothing for me
[15:01] <stgraber> mfisch: yep, we'll just get a new set of channels for T and devel-* will point to those
[15:01] <rsalveti> ahalverson: yes, you can flash using the same procedure as used to flash the phones
[15:01] <mfisch> stgraber: what do we need to do to setup the gating on devel-customized?
[15:01] <noize_> pmcgowan, I have gotten in but I still am unable to install syncevolution due to a read-only file
[15:01] <pmcgowan> noize_, it should be installed
[15:01] <bindi> does ubuntu touch for tablets have maps / navigation? what about wine, can I run spotify full version using wine so i dont need premium to use it?
[15:02] <noize_> pmcgowan, ahhhh :) thank you lol
[15:02] <rsalveti> ahalverson: to flash on windows you'll need to follow the manual steps described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[15:03] <ahalverson> rsalveti: It's alright, I have 13.10
[15:04] <ahalverson> One more question, is the new Nexus 7 supported?
[15:04] <mfisch> ahalverson: you can install it on the n7 yes
[15:04] <pmcgowan> mfisch, he new one?
[15:04] <ahalverson> But is the 2013 edition supported?
[15:05] <popey> nope
[15:05] <mfisch> ah sorry I missed the "new"
[15:05] <pmcgowan> ahalverson, not sure if anyone has ported yet
[15:06] <jamal> lool
[15:06] <jamal> i recieved the same message
[15:06] <jamal> ROM may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix?
[15:06] <ahalverson> Thank you, that's all.
[15:06] <jamal> Yes
[15:06] <jamal> HIS CAN NOT BE UNDONE
[15:07] <jamal> down is written " Ubuntu update complete.
[15:08] <noize_> Is there anyway to setup wifi access that 802.1x, i just need a username, and password combination without a cert.
[15:09] <mandel_> lool, ralsina please, give me your opinions on this => https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/correct-logging/+merge/191662
[15:09] <davmor2> kgunn: http://www.sears.com/young-men-s-thundercats-logo-t-shirt/p-043VA48542901P?sid=IDx01192011x000001&kpid=04397024003&kispla=043VA48542901P  there's a T-shirt for the perfect Thunderous Thundercats ;)
[15:09] <jamal> IT's WOrk!!!!!
[15:09] <jamal> hahahahaha
[15:09] <jamal> finally
[15:10] <sergiusens> popey, mhall119 just run this script http://paste.ubuntu.com/6251472/
[15:10] <jamal> thanks all
[15:11] <jamal> specially lool
[15:11] <kgunn> davmor2: i love it!!!.....basically a sucker for any cartoon from my childhood (altho i'm slightly old for thunder cats)
[15:12] <popey> handy, thanks sergiusens
[15:12] <davmor2> kgunn: I have robotfuel to thanks for the link :)
[15:13] <amarino> so ubuntu touch came out already?
[15:14] <ogra_> yes !
[15:14] <ogra_> :)
[15:14] <amarino> nice
[15:14] <amarino> do the people registered to the newsletter only got the download link or is it in the ubuntu page too
[15:15] <amarino> on*
[15:15] <sergiusens> cjwatson, https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/click-sync/404/+merge/191655
[15:15] <ogra_> amarino, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[15:15] <sergiusens> cjwatson, saw some talk about missing apps on the list
[15:16] <amarino> ogra_, thanks
[15:17] <davmor2> sergiusens, cjwatson: it's a bug on the serverside if an app is arch all it isn't displayed anywhere.  The fix is waiting on a deploy apparently people were busy though I don't know why :)
[15:17] <cjwatson> sergiusens: do we want to carry on and download other things?  all this really does is change the error message
[15:17] <mhall119> thanks sergiusens
[15:17] <sergiusens> cjwatson, I think not
[15:17] <sergiusens> cjwatson, I thought about it; if you want I can war/err instead and add logic to the download list
[15:18] <lool> jamal: Cool!
[15:19] <mhall119> sergiusens: so it looks like many of them aren't actually '1.0' version, even if they would qualify as a 1.0 release
[15:19] <cjwatson> sergiusens: ok, at least a better error message is less confusing
[15:20] <sergiusens> mhall119, yeah; but I think that's something the dev decides upon
[15:20] <mhall119> agreed, I'll change my wording for this then
[15:24] <noize_> Is there any way to edit wifi settings for 802.1x ?
[15:24] <suosa> yes
[15:24] <noize_> what's the method to do so?
[15:25] <noize_> considering I am unable to do so under wifi settings
[15:25] <mfisch> alesage: I cannot repro the brightness indicator bug, in fact, I dont have a brightness slider in the indicator at all
[15:25] <mfisch> alesage: I mean a brightness label, not slider
[15:26] <amarino> the s3 port is still the old version right?
[15:26] <davmor2> kgunn: I guess we could go with terrahawks or thunderbirds instead but they don't have T-shirts ready made :)
[15:27] <noize_> suosa ?
[15:28] <alesage> mfisch, ya that's a weird one
[15:28] <alesage> mfisch, I was kind-of hoping it'd be obvious in the code
[15:28] <mfisch> alesage: was it transient for you?
[15:29] <alesage> mfisch, most times I have no label
[15:29] <alesage> mfisch, also that linked bug seems related
[15:30] <mfisch> alesage: and that linked bug is not in-image yet
[15:31] <alesage> mfisch, may go away, then?
[15:33]  * alesage is obviously not in the code :)
[15:34] <amarino> which edition should be best for porting to s3
[15:34] <mfisch> alesage: I'm trying to see if I can get it to show up for me in 100
[15:34] <alesage> mfisch, possibly sleeps were implicated FWIW
[15:35] <mfisch> perfect!
[15:36] <mfisch> alesage: have you seen it again since filing?
[15:36] <alesage> mfisch, just kidding I photoshopped the whole thing!
[15:36] <alesage> mfisch, no actually I didn't photoshop it
[15:36] <alesage> mfisch, also I haven't seen it, updating now
[15:36] <mfisch> yeah thats too much work
[15:36] <drunk> did it out ?
[15:36] <mfisch> okay I'm killing unity over and over seeing if it shows
[15:37] <alesage> mfisch, is it on the indicator side, so to speak?
[15:37] <mfisch> I think my fingers are larger than designers fingers, I can't ever grab the battery icon right
[15:37] <mfisch> alesage: I was wondering if the label is there but supposed to be hidden
[15:38] <alesage> charles for the record mfisch and I are talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-power/+bug/1240756
[15:38] <mfisch> charles: ssweeny has made some progess on your BT issue BTW
[15:38] <mfisch> progress even
[15:39] <ssweeny> charles, updates are on the bug
[15:45] <mfisch> alesage: I cannot repro it anymore
[15:45] <mfisch> err, at all
[15:46] <alesage> mfisch, let's let charles have a pass at it?
[15:46] <alesage> mfisch, surprised a grep doesn't help but this exposes my limited understanding of QML
[15:46] <mfisch> are you looking at indicator-power?
[15:47] <alesage> mfisch, not yet
[15:47]  * alesage cracks knuckles
[15:47] <mfisch> thats where the sliders is setup
[15:49] <CoffeeBoy> So... I'm guessing MMS doesnt work.. correct?
[15:50] <CoffeeBoy> since cellular data doesnt work
[15:50] <paulo__> hello
[15:50] <pmcgowan> CoffeeBoy, cellular data does work, but mms is not done
[15:50] <mfisch> Cellular data does work
[15:50] <paulo__> how do you manually set you cellular network
[15:51] <paulo__> seems frozen on auto set up
[15:51] <amarino> what about the s3
[15:51] <paulo__> also the setting icon seems to be missing
[15:52] <CoffeeBoy> Is there a location where I can find apps for Touch? I doubt there's an app store.. but some location through which I can find apps would be nice.
[15:52] <paulo__> anyone?
[15:52] <lucenut> OK, how are the upgrades working out? I see 12 new updates available this morning.
[15:53] <apojhds> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6251680/
[15:53] <mhall119> bzoltan: is the SDK officially at 1.0 now?
[15:53] <lucenut> So when I run these 12 updates today am I on the new release?
[15:54] <bzoltan> mhall119: Hmm...  why not.
[15:54] <pmcgowan> mhall119, why do you guys keep asking that?
[15:54] <cyphermox> mzanetti: I'm having some issues with making a2dp properly work too though
[15:54] <mhall119> pmcgowan: just want to know if we should still be calling it a beta or not
[15:54] <cyphermox> mzanetti: seems to me like it's rather broken in general
[15:54] <pmcgowan> mhall119, sdk needs to follow the phone build progression rapidly
[15:54] <amarino> what about the s3
[15:54] <pmcgowan> mhall119, not a beta no, released
[15:54] <mhall119> beuno: could you provide me a count of how many apps are in the store?
[15:55] <mhall119> pmcgowan: thanks
[15:56] <lucenut> So just running the update utility gets us the real release?
[15:56] <paulo__> where is the system settings? cant find it
[15:56] <CoffeeBoy> pmcgowan: can i get the app list too?
[15:57] <pmcgowan> CoffeeBoy, we are going to discuss in the wrapup hangout
[15:58] <beuno> mhall119, 85 published apps
[15:58] <dfgdfg> hu hue hue
[15:58] <apojhds> need help here please http://paste.ubuntu.com/6251680/
[15:59] <paulo__> why is the setting icon missing?
[15:59] <paulo__> someone must know
[15:59] <mzanetti> cyphermox: how do you mean "broken in general"?
[16:00] <cyphermox> mzanetti: meaning it's not routing audio output to the device even if you run paplay and specify the device
[16:00] <cyphermox> its setup is slightly wrong
[16:01] <dbpolito> hey guys, i'm running the last command to install ubuntu phone on my nexus 4 and i'm getting: failed to copy '/home/dbpolito/Downloads/phablet-flash/imageupdates/pool/ubuntu-2b5345658b58e55207c4a4e7b6b3d8cd4f3d9a3187d2448fc9020c884234bac0.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery/': Permission denied
[16:01] <mzanetti> cyphermox: mhm. yeah, sounds like it.
[16:02] <mzanetti> cyphermox: are there already plans on phonebook support? either through HFP or PBAP?
[16:02] <paulo__> settings?????????????????????
[16:02] <paulo__> where are they i would like to set my carrier mms
[16:02] <paulo__> set up a gmail account
[16:03] <mzanetti> paulo__: Apps scope -> installed -> system settings
[16:03] <paulo__> what is apps scope
[16:04] <cyphermox> mzanetti: not explicitly
[16:04] <paulo__> apps scope is where?
[16:04] <siggi> hey guys. how long does the phablet-flash process take? on a galaxy nexus. i wait since 20 minutes
[16:05] <lucenut> Mine took like 86 minutes.
[16:05] <paulo__> it takes a long time siggi
[16:05] <lucenut> But it told me right on the screen.
[16:05] <paulo__> i am in the cellular settings and it won't let me select manual set up
[16:06] <davmor2> paulo__: you have Music page (scope), then Home, then Apps, then Videos.  All those pages are swiped between.
[16:06] <paulo__> i can't get to the setting for account
[16:06] <siggi> ok cool. thanks guys
[16:07] <refeanor_> hi  i wanna install ubuntu touch to my lg optimus g
[16:07] <refeanor_> are there anybody can help me?
[16:07] <paulo__> ok, i see what you are saying i am
[16:08] <mzanetti> refeanor_: hmm... maybe you find something here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:08] <paulo__> i am in the settings and it won't let me set up my network
[16:08] <paulo__> it is stuck on auto
[16:08] <paulo__> the problem is i am on striatalk and i need to set up my data
[16:09] <davmor2> paulo__: one second
[16:09] <refeanor_> there is no optimus g i has same driver to nexus4
[16:10] <paulo__> davmor2 thanks
[16:11] <davmor2> paulo__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting#Straight_Talk_Sim_.28Walmart.29 scroll up a little from there an it talks you though the process
[16:11] <juliancol> out in spanish ?
[16:12] <davmor2> ogra_: is there an official faq page for Touch that can be added to, I'm guessing we might get that a lot ref straighttalk sims
[16:12] <seancork> where can i download ubuntu touch for nexus 7 .. .is there .zip i can flash i cant seem to find any?
[16:13] <knuspertante> Hi guys, i heard, that ubuntu touch brings a stable version out today? Can anybody tell me that's true?
[16:13] <davmor2> seancork: Installing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[16:13] <knuspertante> @refeanor_ here are two links: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2413508, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2189328 mybe i can help you
[16:13] <davmor2> knuspertante: it has reached 1.0 today and it is available now
[16:14] <knuspertante> ok
[16:14] <lucenut> OK, silly question. Is there a way to restart touch without just holding the power button?
[16:14] <knuspertante> ty
[16:15] <seancork> thanks .. i seen that already it has a load of commands and stuff but is there any way of downloading it with out installing unbtutu on my pc or am i just blind i cant see the download link??
[16:15] <ogra_> davmor2, rickspencer3 did a really nice blogpost with an FAQ ...not sure why it doesnt show up on planet
[16:15] <ogra_> s/an/a/
[16:15] <davmor2> lucenut: adb reboot for a usb connect pc, open the terminal and type sudo reboot
[16:16] <lucenut> Every time you want to shut it down?
[16:16] <lucenut> There's no "restart" button/option?
[16:17] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah, saw that, it was really well written.
[16:17] <ogra_> why would you shut it down ?
[16:17] <davmor2> lucenut: not currently
[16:17] <ogra_> ah, it is on planet now
[16:17] <lucenut> When I'm done and want the battery to save?
[16:17] <knuspertante> @davmor2 here is the download link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2189328
[16:17] <knuspertante> mybe google will helps ;-)
[16:17] <ogra_> lucenut, it will use no battery if you just turn the screen off
[16:17] <knuspertante> sorry i mean seancork
[16:18] <ogra_> lucenut, well, nearly no battery ... it keeps the modem up, but thats minor
[16:18] <lucenut> After doing this batch of updates today it doesn't need to restart?
[16:18] <seancork> thanks a lot
[16:18] <knuspertante> @seancork, sorry fals link here is the right: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[16:19] <paulo__> how do you know what your identity is?
[16:19] <davmor2> lucenut: if you do an image update, you get install and reboot button, with apps no it works like android
[16:19] <ogra_> lucenut, how do you mean ? the OTA upgrade restarts during the upgrade process ... if you mean the app upgrader, that doesnt require a restart
[16:19] <AaronMT> so janky on the galaxy nexus
[16:19] <ogra_> AaronMT, yeah, there are a few bugs (see the release notes)
[16:20] <lucenut> What is OTA upgrade?
[16:20] <ogra_> over the air
[16:20] <paulo__> trying to drill down to the gprs settings, but one of the directories included identity
[16:20] <ogra_> the upgrade funcrion we ship in the system settings
[16:20] <lucenut> I want to get the new release today of Ubuntu-Touch.
[16:20] <paulo__> what is that?
[16:20] <seancork> is it ARM EABI (Hard-Float) preinstalled touch image i download .. can ya just flash that then ??
[16:20] <dylan> Is there an e-mail app yet?
[16:20] <ogra_> sadly not
[16:21] <dylan> Drat
[16:21] <ogra_> well, there is a gmail webapp
[16:21] <lucenut> Oh thanks ogra.
[16:21] <dylan> I so wanted to use the touch os...
[16:21] <ogra_> but a native one will have to be written still
[16:21] <lucenut> I didn't know there was another updater.
[16:21] <lucenut> I was just using the app updater.
[16:21] <paulo__>  The file is found at /var/lib/ofono/<Identity>/gprs
[16:21] <dylan> Once it's a *little* more feature rich, I'll be able to use it.
[16:21] <paulo__> what is the identity component
[16:22] <davmor2> paulo__: the name of you service provider
[16:23] <paulo__> so, if it defaults to att, then att is the identity
[16:23] <davmor2> paulo__: cd /var/lib/ofono there will be one there already
[16:23] <davmor2> paulo__: it's just go the wrong setting in it
[16:24] <paulo__> i am in a terminal and i have cd'd to that point, but i just have a blinking cursor
[16:24] <ogra_> dholbach, did you see the golem review ? someone should tell them to not test "ubuntu for phones" on an n7 :) (there are reasons for the new name :P )
[16:24] <paulo__> i am using terminal on ubuntu
[16:24] <dholbach> ogra_, no, I don't think I've read it yet
[16:24] <spindley> hey guys, if we flash with 'ubuntu-system --channel devel' vs just 'ubuntu-system', i'm assuming we'll receive OTA updates for daily builds?
[16:25] <paulo__> should i be trying to accomplish this on the phone
[16:25] <paulo__> davmor
[16:25] <ogra_> dholbach, "doesnt work, completely unusable ... etc"
[16:25] <dholbach> bah
[16:25]  * dholbach rolls eyes
[16:25] <ogra_> yeah
[16:25] <davmor2> paulo__: yes
[16:25] <ogra_> dholbach, didnt you have some mail contacts there in the past ?
[16:25] <dholbach> no, not really
[16:25] <ogra_> ah, i thought
[16:26] <paulo__> when i try to stop service on the terminal on the phone, it says that it cant do it
[16:26] <urmysony> Hi guys
[16:26] <paulo__> davmor, can i pm you on the side, the static here is crazy
[16:26] <ogra_> lol
[16:26] <urmysony> my terminal got stucked at waiitng for device
[16:26] <ogra_> its a pertty quiet day today
[16:26] <urmysony> m running as sudo
[16:27] <davmor2> paulo__: Connect the phone to your computer.  Do adb shell in the computers terminal, it will then give you root on the phone and display the phones terminal
[16:28] <urmysony> how can i flash now??
[16:28] <SirataXero> Hey All
[16:28] <ogra_> urmysony, whats the exact command you used ?
[16:28] <ogra_> and which device
[16:28] <SirataXero> I have a quick question if someone knowledgeable is around
[16:28] <dbpolito> how much time it usually takes to install ubuntu phone on nexus 4?
[16:29] <ogra_> 10-15min
[16:29] <urmysony> sudo phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup
[16:29] <urmysony> Mako
[16:29] <dbpolito> thx
[16:29] <ogra_> urmysony, anything happening on the phone screen ?
[16:29] <lucenut> OK, my OTA update worked and restarted. :-)
[16:29] <SirataXero> how much time does it normally take to "write system" on a 16 GB Nexus 7, manually?
[16:29] <urmysony> it is showing bootloader screen
[16:30] <ogra_> the one with the big green start ?
[16:30] <urmysony> yes
[16:30] <ogra_> it should just move on from there ...
[16:30] <urmysony> INFO:phablet-flash:Booting /tmp/tmprEWSOy/partitions/recovery.img < waiting for device >
[16:30] <ogra_> if it doesnt, boot into recovery and start over ... use "-d mako" for the command
[16:31] <ogra_> SirataXero, for the official images there isnt really a manual way anymore
[16:31] <dbpolito> ERROR:phablet-flash:Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way.
[16:31] <dbpolito> how bad is it?
[16:31] <SirataXero> You can't use fastboot to write to the device directly (Ubuntu Touch)?
[16:32] <lucenut> OK, how can I copy movies to the touch device? When it was android my windows PC could just see it as a storage device.
[16:32] <ogra_> dbpolito, well does the UI come up on the phone ? might just have taken long
[16:32] <dbpolito> nop
[16:32] <dbpolito> black screen
[16:32] <ogra_> lucenut, it should do the same with ubuntu
[16:32] <dbpolito> now it's stuck in a google logo
[16:32] <ogra_> (definitely does when connected to an ubuntu PC)
[16:33] <beidl> is the maguro image going to get updated with acceptable mir performance before 14.04?
[16:33] <ogra_> beidl, yes
[16:33] <beidl> \o/
[16:33] <ogra_> beidl, hopefully we should have a more snappy image in a few weeks for it
[16:33] <ogra_> there are a bunch of bugs that degrade the performance
[16:33] <SirataXero> ogra, so fastboot flash system (etc.) will not work anymore?
[16:33] <ogra_> (listed on the release notes btw)
[16:34] <urmysony> ogra_ tried again with mako option.. still same
[16:34] <beidl> I've followed the development, nasty omap is nasty
[16:34] <jaba> Will ubuntu desktop (13.10) somehow be available for the Nexus 7?
[16:34] <ogra_> SirataXero, the official images require phablet-flash to be used ... you can still flash manually with the cdimage ones but these are deprecated and wont allow you OTA upgrades etc
[16:34] <lucenut> Ogra, no I have it plugged into my PC USB and don't see the nexus at all.
[16:35] <dbpolito> ogra_:  now it has logged into Ubuntu, yaaaaay
[16:35] <lucenut> I hear a beep when I plug it in, but can't find it in windows explorer at all.
[16:35] <SirataXero> ogra_, I see... thanks for the heads up. I wanted to get it done in Windows, since I can't seem to get USB passthrough to work on my VM Ubuntu install.
[16:35] <dbpolito> ogra_: should i reinstall or that error is ok?
[16:35] <Tassadar> jaba: I'm trying to apt-get dist-upgrade to 13.10 now, so far it is failing to boot in kinda funny way
[16:38] <noneabove> i noticed that the official ubuntu touch is out for the galaxy nexus and nexus 4, is it out for tablets too? if not do we have any word on availability?
[16:39] <jaba> Tassadar what does the log say?
[16:39] <ogra_> dbpolito, thats fine, it should behave ... it does some setup stuff on the first boot that might have bittin you
[16:39] <Tassadar> It's turning the wifi on and off in a looú
[16:39] <Tassadar> loop)
[16:40] <ogra_> SirataXero, use an ubuntu  live image and boot that ;)
[16:40] <ogra_> (or a cd or whatever)
[16:40] <SirataXero> ogra_, Ha. That would be the smart thing to do... >.<
[16:41] <mhr3_> didrocks, so.. where do we have 101? :)
[16:41] <SirataXero> ogra_, brb, making bootable flash drive. :). Thanks!
[16:41] <ogra_> lucenut, hmm, i dont think we have any windows users in the developer team ... can you file a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug against the mtp package
[16:41] <lucenut> Anyone know how to find the device from a windows PC when USB plugged in?
[16:41] <ogra_> mhr3_, in the T cycle
[16:41] <urmysony> ogra_ any solution?
[16:42] <SirataXero> lucenut, is it being detected in device manager?
[16:42] <mhr3_> ogra_, so, tomorrow? :)
[16:42] <ogra_> urmysony, could it be that your battery is low or something, i dont really have an explanation for this but low power or bad cable
[16:42] <dbpolito> ogra_: but how can i reinstall it? where do i give permission to install again?
[16:43] <ogra_> mhr3_, ask the sabdfl ... we still dont have a name ... and without name the new series cant be set up in launchpad
[16:43] <urmysony> battery is 97 %
[16:43] <lucenut> Yes, I see it in device mgr Sirata.
[16:43] <SirataXero> lucent, is it under USB devices or under "Android Devices"?
[16:43] <mhr3_> ogra_, right, right... excuses :P
[16:43] <lucenut> How do I copy files to it in explorer?
[16:43] <ogra_> dbpolito, why would you want to reinstall ? if you want to do so you would use the exact same procedure you used already
[16:44] <lucenut> Just under "Android Phone".
[16:44] <dbpolito> ogra_: it's really slow and just crashed...
[16:44] <ogra_> mhr3_, nah, no excuses, just pointing fingers :)
[16:45] <SirataXero> lucenut, I think that's just a driver issue then. Sorry, I didn't read your previous comments, so you're running Android currently on the device and is USB debugging enabled?
[16:45] <ogra_> dbpolito, try a reboot ... hold the power button for >4sec ... wait 10 sec, then power it on again
[16:45] <lucenut> No, running ubuntu-touch. Android is gone.
[16:46] <mhr3_> ogra_, but for reals now, you guys did an awesome job
[16:46] <SirataXero> lucenut, oh I see. In that case, I'm sorry I can't help you. I can't even get Ubuntu Touch to work on my nexus 7, so I don't know how to get it to show up.
[16:46] <dylan> Pardon my stupid question, would there be a way in the future to potentially dual-boot phone OS's?
[16:46] <ogra_> mhr3_, you too !!!
[16:46] <SirataXero> lucenut, however, I would think its a setting that probably needs to be enabled in Ubuntu Touch settings
[16:46] <ogra_> dylan, not currently planned
[16:46] <SirataXero> lucenut, maybe something that says "show device as USB mass storage device" or something like that?
[16:47] <dylan> ogra_: Just curious if it's possible
[16:47] <ogra_> SirataXero, on the n7 open the terminal app and "rm .display-mir && sudo reboot"
[16:47] <dylan> I'm off for now
[16:48] <ogra_> (thish will switch off Mir and re-enable surfaceflinger)
[16:48] <didrocks> mhr3_: there is no 101, 101 will be the first T image :p
[16:48] <ogra_> oh, wait, you need to cd into the phablet homedir first ...
[16:49] <z3330> hey guys anyone using Ubuntu Touch on a Samsung G Nexus as a daily driver?
[16:49] <onerandomfella> has anyone installed the latest build on a tablet yet?
[16:49] <z3330> is it useful for everything you need SMS email phone etc
[16:50] <SirataXero> ogra_, is this within Android? because I don't have Ubuntu on there at all yet...
[16:50] <ogra_> SirataXero, ah, k
[16:50] <ogra_> SirataXero, no, thats under ubuntu on the n7
[16:50] <SirataXero> ogra_, yeah I figured. I'm still not there yet. haha.
[16:51] <ogra_> z3330, it still has some performance issues on the GNex (it is slow) but calls, sms 3G and the like all work
[16:51] <Yamagata> onerandomfella: I'm getting the devel-proposed onto my nexus 10 atm, was hoping since the coreapps ppa has them all scaling form-factor well it might be usable on there now
[16:52] <onerandomfella> @Yamagata I have a nexus 7 and I'd love to know the functionality since i'll be tempted to try it out
[16:53] <ogra_> so do a backup and go ahead :)
[16:53] <z3330> thanks maybe i will grab a Nexus 4 off ebay
[16:53] <ironhalik> Hello - one quick question - ubuntu touch supports PIN locked sim cards?
[16:53] <Yamagata> onerandomfella: no idea about the 7. on the 10 i've had problems with apps *only* using the sidestage and on-screen keyboard being sideways and going away and such. i think only the phone was officially supported, but still makes me sad. i'd love to be productive with my 10 in a terminal =)
[16:53] <ogra_> ironhalik, yep
[16:53] <ironhalik> ogra_: tank you. It was an issue last time I tried it
[16:54] <ogra_> right, it was fixed a while ago
[16:54] <onerandomfella> @Yamagata is this with the new verison
[16:54] <ogra_> Yamagata, 14.04 will be likely better for tablets
[16:55] <Yamagata> onerandomfella: since it just finished installing/booting, i can say it doesn't seems to work right on *my* install of it. still no idea for the 7, you'll just have to try it. the adb backup makes it a breeze though
[16:55] <ogra_> we needed a stable base first now we can add features and improve on other form factors
[16:55] <Yamagata> ogra_ that was my understanding, i just kept hoping i could use it now. i'd love to be able to code *locally* on my tablet without needing to do it via an ssh app needing persistent internet
[16:55] <Yamagata> ogra_: i'm impatient hehe
[16:56] <ogra_> well, feel free to contribute fixes ;)
[16:56] <ogra_> that will speed it up
[16:56] <ironhalik> btw, any ebook reader for ubuntu touch?
[16:56] <ogra_> ironhalik, there is one yoou can install, yeah
[16:56] <ogra_> "beru"
[16:56] <Yamagata> orga_: if i have time i'd love to, hoping to get it on my n4 soon as well
[16:56] <ogra_> :)
[16:57] <dbpolito> where i go to install new apps?
[16:57] <prexos> hello, can i somehow install ubuntu phone from windows?
[16:57] <ogra_> dbpolito, under applications ... check the "more suggestions" category
[16:57] <prexos> dont ban me :(
[16:57] <ironhalik> ogra_: ok, Ill try it
[16:58] <Guest11577> @prexos yeah, but you'll have to manually unlock your phone install CWM or TWRP and flash zips
[16:58] <prexos> Guest11577, ok, where i can get images?
[16:59] <Guest11577> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/
[16:59] <prexos> thanks
[16:59] <Guest11577> np
[17:00] <ogra_> LOL
[17:00] <ogra_> so the first new app thet shows up on my device after release is "random cats"
[17:01] <ogra_> (which does exactly what the name suggests ... it chows random cats)
[17:01] <ogra_> *shows
[17:01] <Guest11577> lol
[17:04] <laubblaeser> hi anyone, i'm searching for some information on which devices will be next to be supported ?
[17:08] <beuno> mhall119, 88 apps, btw  :)
[17:08] <mhall119> damn, see what happens when I'm second to last? 3 more apps get added while I'm waiting
[17:09] <popey> i added my webapp and made it UK only just to annoy mhall119
[17:09] <popey> (UK phone network webapp, so makes no sense being international)
[17:09]  * ogra_ only sees ~50 here 
[17:10] <beuno> popey, well, maybe you want to install it before travelling to the UK
[17:10] <beuno> but FINE!  WHATEVER!   keep your stupid app
[17:10] <mhall119> popey: :-P
[17:11] <popey> hahah
[17:12] <mhall119> I bet is improperly adds 'u's everywhere too
[17:15] <Tassadar> jaba: now it boots up (kernel x initrd mismatch), but the Xserver won't start
[17:15] <Mas0ne> Nexus 7 image?
[17:16] <ogra_> Tassadar, "the X server" ?
[17:16] <Tassadar> on Ubuntu Desktop
[17:16] <ogra_> oh
[17:17]  * ogra_ stays with precise on his desktop 
[17:19] <Tassadar> this is on grouper, I just did apt-get dist-upgrade from the 13.04 image and it doesn't work, not really surprising)
[17:19] <ogra_> yeah, not expected to work at all
[17:19] <ogra_> we didnt do anything wrt desktop on arm
[17:19] <ogra_> (not even test it)
[17:21] <deiu> ogra_, does 1.0 use Mir by any chance?
[17:23] <timppa> Hi! I don't know how many of touch dev's are online atm but I just want say you have done absolutely stunning work! Keep up the good work!
[17:25] <dobey> bzoltan: ping
[17:27] <bzoltan> dobey: hello Rodney, I am on holiday, but shoot :)
[17:28] <dobey> bzoltan: oh. i have a couple of ideas to make logging in qt more robust, and was wondering if there was a bzr branch i could use to develop against, as the ubuntu source package branch seems to be out of date.
[17:30] <bzoltan> dobey: If you wish to improve the baste Qt stack I suggest you to get in touch with the Qt upstream developers. We are just consumers of the Qt
[17:31] <dobey> bzoltan: aren't *you* a committer though? :)
[17:32] <ogra_> deiu, yea, on nexys4, galaxy nexus (and semi succsessfully on nexus7)
[17:32] <deiu> cool! thanks
[17:32] <deiu> flashing it on an N4 now
[17:32] <ogra_> yeah, thats the best supported arch we currenntly have
[17:34] <deiu> What's the status of GPS support for N4? Has there been any progress from the latest update of the google docs status?
[17:36] <ogra_> GPS should work, problem is that there is nothing using it yet
[17:36] <tux_> so hows touch on nexus 4 .. anyone?
[17:37] <sergiusens> ogra_, I thought the browser already used location services
[17:38] <BlacKira> hi is possible to install ubuntu touch on an external sd card and boot from them whitout touching android on a samsung galaxy tab 2 10.1 wifi
[17:38] <BlacKira> ?
[17:38] <ogra_> oh, right, someone mentioned it works in google maps
[17:43] <Roritharr> hi guys
[17:45] <Roritharr> does the recently released ubuntu phone version include the desktop via hdmi feature?
[17:47] <atomhund> Is there a way to import CSV contacts ? I don't use Google contacts cause I prefer privacy
[17:47] <bzoltan> dobey: me as bzoltan, I am not... but we have a good team who are
[17:47] <ogra_> Roritharr, no, thats a 14.04/14.10 feature
[17:48] <atomhund> The manage-address-books.py doesnt work anymore btw
[17:48] <tvoss> ogra_, the browser shows your location :)
[17:48] <ogra_> tvoss, ah, yeah
[17:48] <tvoss> ogra_, but beware, it's gps only, no agps, so first fix might take some time (like 20 minutes)
[17:48] <deiu> atomhund, I thought you can sync with Ubuntu One
[17:48] <ogra_> i had forgotten that someone told me it uses it in maps
[17:48] <tvoss> if a cold start is carried out
[17:48] <deiu> maybe I'm mistaken
[17:49] <Roritharr> thanks ogra_, you should probably put this somewhere in the topic, i guess this will be a common question
[17:49] <atomhund> deiu: Ok, so i can just add a csv-file into an Ubuntu One account? ...Like instead of googles account?
[17:49] <ogra_> well, it comes up once a week or so ...
[17:50] <ogra_> if it gets more frequent we'll add it :)
[17:50] <deiu> atomhund, I haven't tested it, so don't take my words for granted
[17:50] <atomhund> deiu: Ok, thanks. I'll check it out
[17:51] <BioS615> When will Ubuntu Touch support OTA?
[17:51] <cwiggs> I think it already does
[17:51] <deiu> it does already
[17:51] <kedivess> hi everyone...
[17:51] <cwiggs> Yo!
[17:52] <dobey> bzoltan: well, enjoy your holiday then :)
[17:52] <BioS615> So if I install it on a Nexus 4, and Canonical pushes an update that fixes GPS and haptics, I'll just get it OTA and not have to use a computer to flash it..? :3
[17:52] <tvoss> BioS615, yup
[17:52] <BioS615> Nice! Thanks
[17:52] <deiu> that's how it works :)
[17:53] <BioS615> And at this time, its only possible to flash through Ubuntu, right?
[17:53] <kedivess> i just flashed the ubuntu touch 1.0 . It is read-only image so i can't import my google contacts. Any suggestions?
[17:53] <ogra_> BioS615, if you use the ubuntu-system install with phablet-flash ... note that OTA is only supported on these images
[17:53] <ogra_> BioS615, you can run a live session from USB stick or CD to install ;)
[17:54] <deiu> BioS615, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install has all the info you need
[17:54] <ogra_> yeah
[17:54] <BioS615> Thanks guys! :D
[17:55] <jamal> hi everyone, i have an issue here. every time i lock and unlock the phone the bluetooth turned on automatically!
[17:55] <jamal> any idea?
[17:55] <deiu> phablet-flash is taking its sweet time *sigh*
[17:55] <ogra_> jamal, sounds like a bug
[17:55] <ogra_> yeah
[17:55] <jamal> so what should i do?
[17:56] <ogra_> file a bug :)
[17:56] <ogra_> see the channel topic for the link
[17:56] <jamal> ok thanks
[17:57] <ogra_> jamal, doesnt happen for me btw
[17:57] <ogra_> just tried
[17:57] <ogra_> oh, the second time it happens
[17:57] <kedivess> can someone help me for importing my google contacts on ubuntu touch 1.0 (read-only system image) ?
[17:57] <jamal> weird!
[17:57] <ogra_> jamal, if you have filed it, paste the url here and i can confirm it
[17:57] <jamal> ogra_: ok
[17:58] <deiu> is there an estimated time for phablet-flash? (rough at least)
[17:59] <ogra_> 10-15min
[17:59] <ogra_> for n4
[17:59] <deiu> hmm
[17:59] <ogra_> plus 10min for maguro
[17:59] <deiu> so 30min is not a good sign
[17:59] <deiu> for n4
[17:59] <ogra_> no
[18:00] <ogra_> it should reboot a few times after it did the download and eventually you end up in the recovery upgrade mode with a progress bar
[18:00] <ogra_> that then takes ~10min
[18:00] <deiu> it never rebooted
[18:00] <deiu> I've flashed it before and it never took so long
[18:01] <ogra_> yeah, start over i'd say
[18:01] <ogra_> boot into recovery and use -d mako with pahblet flash
[18:01] <deiu> ok, will do (thanks!)
[18:02] <atomhund> I'm curious... am I the only one still using sim-contacts? Am I the only one Not trusting Google to know my contacts list?
[18:03] <ogra_> well, not using google contacts if you have an android phone is kind of hard
[18:03] <ogra_> especially since it is so convenient if you swithc to a new phone
[18:03] <ogra_> and SIM size is limited
[18:04] <ogra_> (but i doubt you are the only one)
[18:04] <atomhund> Anyway.. I hope some developer is looking into a way to import sim-contacts and CSV.-files..
[18:04] <ogra_> yes
[18:06] <avesnce> hi. how to add hardware/qcom/media/mm-core/inc/ dir to include paths?
[18:06] <avesnce> many includs broken
[18:06] <atomhund> One of my main concerns with using an Android-phone has been the contacts-list... I don't want google to know all about me and who my friends are. Or Prism/NSA for that matter...
[18:06] <CAPTCHAbestPROGR> hello I've found a blocking bug
[18:06] <PaccySWE>   Hi there, anyone can help me, cant figura out how to install Ubunto Phone on mu Nexus 4 from windows...
[18:06] <atomhund> not that i'm a terrorist... but still...
[18:06] <deiu> atomhund, for what it's worth, I think they already do :(
[18:07] <PaccySWE> anyone?
[18:07] <CAPTCHAbestPROGR> Ubuntu say me Must add a ubuntuOne account to make update?
[18:07] <atomhund> true... still it feels safer to not involve Google, Yahoo, Facebook... etc..
[18:07] <CAPTCHAbestPROGR> after my credit card and ma brain?
[18:07] <PaccySWE> god damnit, that was alot of typos in my first centence :P
[18:07] <sergiusens> atomhund, ogra_ you can use syncevolution with owncloud as well
[18:07] <deiu> it's safe to consider that anything that connects you to the world is in one way or the other connected to Prism/NSA
[18:07] <avesnce> PaccySWE, u cant
[18:07] <PaccySWE> w00t?
[18:07] <PaccySWE> why not?
[18:07] <atomhund> My Facebook-contacts is Ok to integrate with UT... but not my phonecontacts
[18:08] <CAPTCHAbestPROGR> nobody is shocking?
[18:08] <avesnce> why not? all in your hands! just do it) i dint see guide on ubuntu wiki...
[18:09] <avesnce> CAPTCHAbestPROGR, where it&
[18:10] <avesnce> hey, how to add hardware/qcom/media/mm-core/inc/ dir to include paths&
[18:11] <avesnce> ok, smits go out. now... who can tell me.  how to add hardware/qcom/media/mm-core/inc/ dir to include paths?
[18:11] <avesnce> *gone
[18:12] <boonii> Hey, my nexus4 won't boot with ubuntu touch, it just hangs around at the google logo at boot and nothing happens. I'm pretty sure the installation didn't finish. I can boot into recovery mode but not sure what exactly to do now; google didn't prove any help at all :/
[18:12] <sergiusens> deiu, a phone in itself unless you built the hw yourself is potentially connected to the NSA
[18:13] <deiu> sergiusens, that's my point too :)
[18:13] <ogra_> boonii, go into recovery and use "-d mako" with the phablet-flash command, that will force a new installl
[18:14] <boonii> that's not working :/
[18:14] <ogra_> whats the exact command you use
[18:15] <boonii> phablet-flash -d mako -b
[18:15] <ogra_> (also whatss the error you get ... "not working" is a pretty unspecific problem description)
[18:15] <boonii> tells me to choose between a couple different ones (yes, sorry, I was looking through the terminal)
[18:15] <ogra_> boonii, phablet-flash ubuntu-system -d mako --no-backup
[18:16] <boonii> ... :D it started now atleast
[18:16] <boonii> thanks for that!
[18:16] <ogra_> welcome
[18:17] <boonii> I think panic-mode was engaged, can't believe I missed that part :P
[18:18] <nik90> ogra_: does sims with password work?
[18:18] <jamal_> ogra_: here's the bug URL: https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1241130
[18:18] <ogra_> nik90, yes
[18:18] <ogra_> nik90, well, with PIN
[18:18] <nik90> ogra_: yeah I meant PIN
[18:20] <ogra_> pmcgowan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-bluetooth/+bug/1241130 for yoour collection :)
[18:20] <ogra_> jamal_, thanks i assigbned it to the right package and confirmed it
[18:21] <jamal_> ogra_: thanks
[18:36] <kedivess> ubuntu touch 1.0 system-image is read-only so i can't sync my google contacts. Any suggestions?
[18:36] <raikkoni27> hello?
 yes bash it on a wall
[18:37] <pmcgowan> kedivess, you can sync them, the user area is writeable
[18:37] <ogra_> kedivess, syncevolution should work ... and it should use the homedir (which is writable)
[18:37] <raikkoni27> i'm on maguro and stuck on the android logo
[18:37] <raikkoni27> any help here?
[18:37] <ogra_> for how long ?
[18:37] <kedivess> and how to?
[18:38] <kedivess> i used this http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/google-contacts-on-ubuntu-touch.html but it didn't work
[18:40] <skjdhf> No soft center again?
[18:40] <davmor2> kedivess: that does work I've just done it.  2 things 1 you do have an internet connection on the phone correct? 2 you are running the su - phablet note the -
[18:41] <om26er> bug 1241045
[18:42] <popey> kedivess: you don't need the apt-get anymore
[18:42] <kedivess> what do you mean with : su - phablet note the - ?
[18:42] <johnjohn101> can we download this now?
[18:42] <cyphermox> ogra_: poke
[18:42] <skjdhf> you don't need the apt-get anymore ??? It's a joke
[18:42]  * ogra_ falls over
[18:43] <cyphermox> ahah!
[18:43] <ogra_> :)
[18:43] <ogra_> whats up ?
[18:43] <cyphermox> ogra_: didrocks told me you had some weird issue with NM on maguro?
[18:43] <ogra_> cyphermox, yeah, cant reproduce them though
[18:43] <davmor2> kedivess: if you miss out the - you are on a Read only root partition with no access I did that the first time I ran the script
[18:44] <davmor2> ogra_, cyphermox: oh what was it?
[18:44] <cyphermox> kedivess: you just need to run 'su - phablet'  and then the two syncevolution commands
[18:44] <ogra_> i roamed between two APs and went on 3G for a while, at some point i couldnt get WLAN back on and it started spilling weird stuff into syslog
[18:44] <cyphermox> ogra_: ok
[18:44] <kedivess> i'll try again.....thanks
[18:44] <ogra_> i'm not near the machine where i kept the pastebin with an excerpt of the log
[18:44] <cyphermox> ok
[18:45] <ogra_> if it shows again i'll file a bug
[18:45] <davmor2> ogra_: oh I thought that got fixed
[18:45] <ogra_> davmor2, well, NM itself got in a weird state or even the driver
[18:46] <davmor2> ogra_, cyphermox: I've not seen that for an age.
[18:46] <ogra_> i haad a >500M syslog after ~20min
[18:46] <asac> ogra_: already had a beer :)?
[18:46] <ogra_> asac, indeed !
[18:46] <asac> really ... then i have to catch up :) ... gimme a few
[18:46] <ogra_> haha
[18:46] <asac> done ;)... j.k.
[18:46] <davmor2> skjdhf: do you have an internet connection?  are you on the apps scope?
[18:46] <ogra_> cheers
[18:46] <ogra_> :)
[18:47] <davmor2> asac: you mean you didn't make each of you minions bring you a drink ;)
[18:47] <skjdhf> Yes, app scope?
[18:47] <vladikoff> Hey, I installed Ubuntu Touch when it was first announced, that build had tweets hardcoded on the lockscreen. How different is the OS now? Are things dynamic or still static images?
[18:48] <skjdhf> yes I'm on app scope
[18:48] <ogra_> vladikoff, whats there is all real
[18:48] <ogra_> skjdhf, then you should see a "more suggestions" sextion
[18:48] <ogra_> *section
[18:48] <davmor2> skjdhf: how many sections do you see on the apps scope?
[18:48] <vladikoff> ogra_, ok I'll flash it again then, thanks :)
[18:48] <skjdhf> nope Z nothing
[18:49] <davmor2> ogra_: Freudian  slip there
[18:49] <ogra_> vladikoff, note that the image format changed, use phablet-flash ubuntu-system as described on the install wikipage to get the real thing
[18:49] <skjdhf> INstalled and dash plugins
[18:49] <ogra_> davmor2, yeah, the beer ...
[18:49] <ogra_> skjdhf, are you online ?
[18:49] <skjdhf> yes
[18:49] <vladikoff> ogra_, if I follow this guide http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/install will I be okay?
[18:50] <davmor2> skjdhf: click on the search top left and type in google
[18:50] <sergiusens> kedivess, follow this instead http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/syncing-contacts-from-google-on-latest-touch-images.html and make sure to be in a phablet user session
[18:50] <ogra_> skjdhf, tap on the search field ... type "hello"
[18:50] <deiu> vladikoff, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[18:50] <ogra_> that should populate the more suggestions category
[18:50] <nik90> popey or ogra: Do you know how to import contacts from google?
[18:50] <skjdhf> nothing ...
[18:50] <ogra_> nik90, davmor2 just explained it a few lines above
[18:51] <davmor2> nik90: su - phablet
[18:51] <davmor2> syncevolution --configure --sync-property "username=email@gmail.com" --sync-property "password=secret" Google_Contacts
[18:51] <vladikoff> deiu, ogra_, ok thanks! :)
[18:51] <davmor2> syncevolution --sync refresh-from-server Google_Contacts addressbook
[18:51] <ogra_> deiu, they should be the same
[18:51] <deiu> ah, good to know
[18:51] <davmor2> nik90: adb shell into the device then run those 3 lines
[18:52] <ogra_> davmor2, after doing sudo -u phablet -i perhaps ?
[18:52] <nik90> davmor2: thnx
[18:52] <davmor2> ogra_: no need those 3 lines, is all you need
[18:52] <ogra_> oh
[18:53] <ogra_> it magically switched to the phablet user ?
[18:53] <ogra_> *switches
[18:53] <davmor2> ogra_: yeap
[18:53] <ogra_> ah, cool
[18:54] <davmor2> nik90: just don't forget to change the email@ and secret to you google email address and the google login password :)
[18:54] <kedivess> now it works. Thank you very much <sergiusens>
[18:55] <skjdhf> I can't reach ubuntu shop
[18:56] <ogra_> skjdhf, well, check your internet connection, the searching should just have brought up all the apps
[18:56] <skjdhf> The quality connection is at his best
[18:56] <ogra_> can you open a website in the browser ?
[18:57] <pmcnano> Hello :3
[18:57] <nolan_> hi, what is the best version i have to install (no automatic verification or auto ) ?
[18:57] <pmcnano> lol, any clue why I did all the setup for ubuntu touch
[18:57] <pmcnano> and after the final step INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. Please do not unplug device until phablet-flash finishes. it booted to android again
[18:57] <pmcnano> lol
[18:58] <ogra_> wow, did it show any errors ?
[18:58] <ogra_> sergiusens, ^^^^
[18:58] <pmcnano> nah, it just booted to android
[18:59] <pmcnano> and it just got stuck there...(the terminal )
[18:59] <nik90> davmor2: it says read-only file system..so I guess I need to make it into rw?
[18:59] <pmcnano> meh, running it again #fail
[18:59] <davmor2> nik90: no
[18:59] <ogra_> pmcnano, whats the exact command ?
[18:59] <MarkShuttleworth> Hello everybody.. I hope everyone is enjoying the new release
[18:59] <davmor2> nik90: su - phablet first
[19:00] <nik90> works
[19:00] <davmor2> nik90: now do the other 2 lines
[19:00] <sergiusens> ogra_, pmcnano run with --debug; what device is this?
[19:01] <pmcnano> nexus 4
[19:01] <pmcnano> im running the phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup
[19:01] <davmor2> nik90: phablets home folder is writeable the rest isn't :)  hence the su - phablet, which sets you as phablet in /home/phablet :)
[19:02] <nik90> davmor2: yeah previously I did su -phablet where I didnt put the space between the - and phablet..and that didnt work
[19:02] <nik90> but now I got them improted thanx.
[19:02] <davmor2> nik90: cool :)
[19:02] <gontzal> Hello, is posible to develop with vala and sdl2?
[19:03] <pmcnano> I boot android, enable debugging. It boots to fastboot, then installs/boots from CWM Recovery, in recovery it starts pushing 3 or 4 files (takes a little while).., then it goes to the Android updating screen which takes a while too.....and then it booted to android
[19:03] <pmcnano> lol
[19:03] <davmor2> gontzal: anything is possible, however you would have to package a hell of a lot of stuff into your click app if you do,  qml and html5 are far easier
[19:04] <gontzal> what about the qml licence?
[19:04] <davmor2> gontzal: one for #ubuntu-app-devel I think
[19:05] <gontzal> ok
[19:06] <pmcnano> Im doing it again, after the android install/update screen what should happen?
[19:06] <davmor2> pmcnano: daft question but you did unlock the phone first right?
[19:06] <pmcnano> of course its unlocked :P
[19:07] <pmcnano> So, what should happen after: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Android_Update_Screen.JPG?
[19:07] <davmor2> pmcnano: I assumed it was but it is always best to check :)
[19:07] <pmcnano> @davmor2 np
[19:08] <pmcnano> If it doesnt work right now I'll try to debug next install
[19:08] <pmcnano> just add --debug right?
[19:08] <niles> How can i install ubuntu touch on my motorola milestone
[19:08] <pmcnano> I dont think its supported yet :3
[19:09] <davmor2> pmcnano: you can try -d mako on the end
[19:09] <niles> pmcnano was that the answer to my question
[19:09] <pmcnano> niles, yes sorry.
[19:09] <davmor2> niles: yes
[19:10] <pmcnano> davmor2: so it would be "phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup -d mako"?
[19:10] <johnjohn101> will any asus nexus 7 work or am i looking for an older model?
[19:10] <niles> oh thanks a lot. but tell me how to get rid of android ...firefox is also not available  ?
[19:10] <davmor2> pmcnano: yeap it might help
[19:10] <niles> I am sick and tired of these trojans and viruses
[19:11] <pmcnano> davmor2: lol..bootign to android again aparently?...wait..im not usre...
[19:11] <deiu> pmcnano, yes, that should be it
[19:11] <pmcnano> davmor2: i see the google splash but the backlight is really low..
[19:12] <ogra_> pmcnano, and it doesnt go beyond that after a while ?
[19:12] <pmcnano> wait..
[19:12] <pmcnano> its done
[19:12] <pmcnano> lol
[19:12] <ogra_> ;)
[19:12] <pmcnano> i dont know what happened to the first attempt
[19:12] <ogra_> first boot is a bit slow
[19:12] <pmcnano> really weird.....
[19:12] <davmor2> niles: you can't the best you can do is install cyanogen mod and it's an old version of that
[19:12] <pmcnano> mh..still weird..i did see the homescreen
[19:12] <davmor2> pmcnano: \o/
[19:12] <pmcnano> now the screen is off and doesnt seem to turn on
[19:12] <pmcnano> #fail
[19:13] <pmcnano> LOL
[19:13] <pmcnano> Rebooting
[19:13] <pmcnano> Theres no boot animation from what I see, right?
[19:13] <ogra_> yeah
[19:13] <ogra_> not yet
[19:14] <pmcnano> davmor2, ogra_, deiu, thanks for your support :). I will test it, I gotta run for now
[19:14] <pmcnano> Have a nice day
[19:14] <ogra_> bye
[19:14] <davmor2> you too
[19:17] <avesnce> error: ubuntu/hybris/: ubuntu/hybris checkout 44aa906752ebfe8e5c2f896e41841d7714a77340 on repo sync
[19:22] <sdf> Can we read epub?
[19:22] <sdf> Ans PDF?
[19:27] <sdf> I love in folder I touch "documents" ansd i go into "download"
[19:27] <Rob____> Hi where can i get the stable build of ubuntu touch for the mako?
[19:28] <sdf> the only fonctionnality who works is spying.
[19:29] <Rob____> Hi where can i get the stable build of ubuntu touch for the mako??
[19:29] <Salem_> hi, is the new release of ubuntu is good, i had a slow connevtion so i can't download it for now.
[19:30] <Rob____> i cant seem to find stable build download
[19:30] <Salem_> any one try it can tell me
[19:33] <popey> sdf: there's an app in the store called Beru which reads epubs
[19:33] <popey> its very nice
[19:33] <YooGi> Is it possible to flash Ubuntu Touch from Windows ?
[19:33] <popey> YooGi: yes, i believe so if you have adb installed
[19:33] <YooGi> Thanks :)
[19:35] <sdf> Thanks popey I'll try it
[19:36] <jdstrand> beuno: hey-- I noticed that the store now requires a 256x256 icon. I have an app with a 64x64 icon, but when I update to use the 256x256, the 64x64 is shown along with the 256x256 one
[19:37] <m_zet> hello
[19:38] <jdstrand> beuno: also, I was uploading an app and found the 'Available actions' confusing. ie, 'Upload new versions' is pretty small text with big orange buttons near by-- my eyes only say the orange buttons and skipped over 'Upload new versions'. fyi only...
[19:38] <vincentbosch> I hope that now we reached a first final release, we will see mass porting to new devices.
[19:38] <jdstrand> beuno: s/only say/only saw/
[19:39] <m_zet> will instalation of ubuntu on nexus 4 erase theflash memory?
[19:40] <Esparte> I only wait for the port for my devices
[19:41] <m_zet> Anyone from ubuntu team here?
[19:41] <vincentbosch> I am waiting on the Note 10.1 2014 port. SM-P600
[19:41] <vincentbosch> for*
[19:41] <Esparte> Me for the Asus padfone
[19:48] <m_zet> hello
[19:48] <spazzymoto> popey: any chat apps available? i read about the Apparmor but any that manage their own contacts?
[19:48] <popey> hey spazzymoto
[19:48] <m_zet> Anyone got experience with instaling ubuntu on Nexus 4?
[19:48] <popey> m_zet: yeah, every day :D
[19:48] <beuno> jdstrand, I don't quite understand the icon issue. We're exposing 256x256 to clients, and defaulting to the old 64x64 if not available
[19:49] <beuno> jdstrand, agreed on the confusion, we're working on that
 will installation of ubuntu erase my music fotos etc. from internal memory card of the phone?
[19:49] <jdstrand> beuno: it isn't a major issue-- it is just that the interface now displays both the 256x256 and the 64x64 under 'Presentation'
[19:49] <beuno> jdstrand, ah, I see. I'll look into that as well, thanks
[19:49] <jdstrand> beuno: and the 64x64 is old (and in my case different), and I don't have a way to delete it
[19:49] <popey> m_zet: ah, mine was blank when i started
[19:50] <m_zet> popey: thank you - I see I got to copy EVERYTHING than...
[19:50] <beuno> jdstrand, yeah, I think it should just be dropped the UI, you shouldn't need to care
[19:51] <jdstrand> beuno: yeah, if I add a 256x256, the 64x64 can probably just be removed
[19:51] <m_zet> popey: I am not a linux genius - ok, I am a lixus infant - will I be able to install ubuntu without any linux computer?
[19:53] <half_mast> I just install Ubuntu Touch
[19:54] <m_zet> popey: To install I just go to recovery and instal from ZIP file?
[19:54] <beuno> mhall119, popey, ping
[19:55] <half_mast> No I just install it. Everything is working fine but the clock isn't showing
[19:55] <beuno> mhall119, popey, could you guys check for me that the architecture "All" issue has been resolved?
[19:56] <sdf> Yes beru is nice... I see a wonderfull blank screen : )
[20:04] <jdstrand> beuno: I can confirm it is. I can search for rotten and get my rotten tomatoes app to show up (that didn't happen last night)
[20:07] <gkr_> hello all
[20:07] <fishscene> Salutations
[20:08] <gkr_> very excited to play with ubuntu-touch ... going through the motions on my GNex ATM
[20:10] <deiu> INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. <-- taking unusually long ~20 mins now
[20:10] <deiu> on N4
[20:10] <gkr_> I'm hoping for a little advice though please. It looks like i'm stuck after the d/l, then flash. I'm in a recovery screen (for the past 10 min or so) asking if i want to disable recovery flash. not sure if i should interract with it
[20:10] <kedivess> is it possible to add or install other language-pack?
[20:11] <gkr_> last message is "ubuntu update complete"
[20:12] <gkr_> okay the pablet-flash script timed out. phone rebooting ... fingers crossed
[20:12] <fishscene> gkr_: Might want to wait a while on that. Last time I interrupted anything on my nexus 7, it was a hassle to recover from.
[20:12] <fishscene> nvm. :)
[20:13] <gkr_> thanks fishscene ... booting to black screen ... will try again after work. thanks !!
[20:13] <fishscene> o/
[20:16] <deiu> ERROR:phablet-flash:Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way.
[20:16] <deiu> ouch
[20:16] <mhall119> beuno: how would I test the arch issue?
[20:17] <aldawg> hiii
[20:22] <m_zet> So GPS is not working yet?
[20:22] <m_zet> When you plan to have full working version for N4?
[20:23] <deiu> m_zet, it should be working for N4
[20:23] <fishscene> m_zet: Check this out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArLs7UPtu-hJdDZDNWliMmV1YUJ3Zk1pQlpDdGp4VFE&usp=sharing#gid=0
[20:24] <m_zet> yeah, looking right now
[20:24] <m_zet> and it is in red
[20:24] <m_zet> sorry my bad
[20:24] <m_zet> wip
[20:24] <ingar195> are there a zip file i can flash in twrp
[20:25] <fishscene> Wait. No. that document is way out of date. I just saw the last image testing date on that.
[20:25] <Aaron1011> Hello. Is it possible to port Ubuntu Touch to a device that only has Cyanogenmod 10.2 support (not 10.1)
[20:25] <m_zet> So can I run ubuntu as a daily driver?
[20:26] <popey> m_zet: gps does work
[20:26] <popey> it just takes a long time to get a lock
[20:26] <popey> because we dont have agps
[20:26] <m_zet> got it
[20:26] <m_zet> so as a daily driver you recomend?
[20:27] <popey> yeah
[20:27] <m_zet> And I thought I'll be sleep tonight... silly me...
[20:28] <johnjohn101> popey. if i get the asus nexus 7 will i need to worry about models.  ie one model # works and one doesnt?
[20:28] <nhaines> johnjohn101: the original works and the 2013 model does not.
[20:28] <deiu> johnjohn101, I think the 2013 version doesn't work yet
[20:28] <fishscene> popey: Is that google doc up to date? It seems to hint that the last time it was updated was over a month ago...
[20:28] <johnjohn101> nhaines: how do i know what the 2012 model is?
[20:28] <spazzymoto> m_zet: in same boat haha waiting for download tho :/
[20:28] <mhall119> nik90: popey: are clock's alarms working on build 100?
[20:28] <popey> fishscene: lets see...
[20:28] <popey> mhall119: nope
[20:29] <popey> eds patch didnt land in 100
[20:29] <mhall119> popey: did the platform fix land in 100?
[20:29] <mhall119> :(
[20:29] <mhall119> 101?
[20:29] <deiu> I'd love to get more debugging during the install phase :S
[20:29] <popey> sru
[20:29] <mhall119> ok
[20:29] <m_zet> spazzymoto: I am long way behind you...
[20:29] <johnjohn101> does touch work will on that 1st generation nexus 7?
[20:29] <popey> johnjohn101: yes, thats the one we use
[20:29] <johnjohn101> popey, thx
[20:29] <popey> but it's not as well supported as nexus 4 or galaxy nexus
[20:31] <johnjohn101> popey, those are phones, right?
[20:31] <Aaron1011> popey: Is the newest generation of the Nexus 7 supported?
[20:31] <Aaron1011> And would it be possible to port Ubuntu Touch to it if it's not supported?
[20:32] <Aaron1011> johnjohn101: The Neuxs 7 is a tablet
[20:32] <ingar195> is there a zip file i can flash?
[20:32] <fishscene> Aaron1011: According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install "Note: We currently do not support the newer '2013' Nexus 7."
[20:33] <Guest3028> is it possible to dual boot a nexus 4 with stock android and ubuntu
[20:33] <Aaron1011> fishscene: Ah, thanks, I didn't see that
[20:33] <fishscene> NP mate. :)
[20:34] <popey> mhall119: sound works on n7 now doesn't it?
[20:34] <fishscene> Sound has worked on my Nexus 7 for about a month now.
[20:34] <mhall119> popey: it did last I tried
[20:35] <popey> mhall119: can you look at https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArLs7UPtu-hJdDZDNWliMmV1YUJ3Zk1pQlpDdGp4VFE#gid=0
[20:35] <popey> and update n7
[20:35] <deiu> hmm, phablet-flash keep timing out during an N4 install :(
[20:35] <popey> I just passed through mako, but I dont use grouper often
[20:35] <mhall119> popey: well now let me get my N7 and verify
[20:35] <popey> ta
[20:36] <spazzymoto> deiu: im busy with n4 now will let you know if mine times out
[20:36] <Guest3028> does anyone know if is it possible to dual boot a nexus 4 with stock android and ubuntu
[20:36] <popey> Guest3028: some people have done it
[20:36] <popey> we dont directly test though
[20:36] <deiu> spazzymoto, it seems I'm not the first one having this issue
[20:37]  * mhall119 upgrades to build 100
[20:37] <_oFf_oM> is it possible to install ubuntu-touch in samsung note?
[20:38] <spazzymoto> deiu: what channel did you use?
[20:38] <iBotPeaches> _oFf_oM: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[20:38] <deiu> saucy
[20:38] <spazzymoto> ok cool me too, lets see if mine hangs
[20:39] <Paccy> Hi ppl, im tryingto install ubuntu on my Nexus 4, bur when i run the command sudo apt-get install phablet-tools android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot i get the following> E>Unable to loacte package phablet-tools
[20:40] <Paccy> the same goes for the android tools
[20:40] <Paccy> any ideas_
[20:40] <pmcgowan> Paccy, did you add the ppa then run apt-get update?
[20:40] <Paccy> yes
[20:40] <Paccy> they worked fine
[20:40] <Aaron1011> Paccy: You need to add the ppa for ubuntu-touch
[20:40] <pmcgowan> do an apt-cache policy phablet-tools
[20:40] <Paccy> Aaron1011: Done
[20:41] <mhall119> popey: I gotta charge my N7, then upgrade, then I'll verify
[20:41] <Paccy> pmcgowan: N: Unable to locate package phablet-tools
[20:41] <_oFf_oM> only the guys with nexus can play? not funny! I want to play too
[20:41] <Aaron1011> Paccy: Are you sure you added the right ppa?
[20:42] <Aaron1011> This is the command: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools
[20:42] <pmcgowan> Paccy, you sure you ran update ? thats the symptom you would get if not
[20:42] <Paccy> yeah, followed the instructions
[20:42] <Paccy> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools
[20:42] <Aaron1011> Paccy: What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[20:42] <Paccy> latest i believe
[20:42] <Poukie> Hi guiys, quick question, weren't the 1.0 Ubuntu Touch release was for today ? All we get is a developper-like image like before no ?
[20:42] <fishscene> Some people are reporting in #ubuntu that www.ubuntu.com is down for people in USA-East Coast.
[20:42] <Paccy> how can i tell_
[20:44] <Paccy> 13.10
[20:44] <pmcgowan> Paccy, you dont even need the ppa for 13.10, its in the archive then
[20:44] <Paccy> why dont it work :\
[20:44] <Aaron1011> Paccy: Run sudo apt-get update again
[20:44] <iBotPeaches> fishscene: down for me. 503, Kansas
[20:45] <Aaron1011> Don't literally type 'again' :)
[20:45] <kedivess> is it possible to install another language-pack ?
[20:46] <fishscene> iBotPeaches: It's up for me, but yea, seems like it is down for a bunch of people. Not sure why.
[20:47] <Paccy> Aaron1011: > get the same "unable to locate" bla bla
[20:48] <mhall119> beuno: I'm curious, you have stats on people hitting the new app store?
[20:48]  * mhall119 wonders how popular it is today
[20:48] <Aaron1011> Paccy: Hmm
[20:49] <Paccy> agreed
[20:49] <Paccy> well, donthave time to waste now, ill try again later. Thnx for the help...
[20:49] <pmcgowan> Paccy, can you see any packages?
[20:49] <pmcgowan> ok
[20:50] <Aaron1011> Paccy: Can you run ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[20:50] <Aaron1011> And see if you see phablet-team-tools listed?
[20:50] <pmcgowan> Aaron1011, thing is if hes on saucy he doesnt even need the ppa, they are in universe
[20:50] <pmcgowan> so hes not seeing anything
[20:50] <Aaron1011> pmcgowan: Ah, that's true
[20:50] <Paccy> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ phablet-team-tools-saucy.list  phablet-team-tools-saucy.list.save
[20:51] <Aaron1011> Paccy: That's strange
[20:51] <Paccy> ye
[20:51] <Paccy> i know
[20:52] <Paccy> well, thnx for the help, im tired, going to bed and trying again tomorrow :)
[20:52] <fishscene> o/
[20:55] <mhall119> popey: Can you grant me write access to that spreadsheet?
[20:57] <deiu> spazzymoto, got it to work yet?
[20:58] <spazzymoto> Im at Waiting for install to finish on device
[20:58] <nhaines> Heh, the Ubuntu website just died.
[20:58] <mhall119> nhaines: ubuntu.com? it's up for me
[20:58] <fishscene> Website seems to be up for people on west-coast USA and down for Eastcoast USA. Unsure about other parts of the world right now.
[20:58] <nhaines> Yay, it's back up again!  \o/
[20:59] <nhaines> mhall119: it was down for at least 5 minutes.
[20:59] <fishscene> lawl. That was fast.
[20:59] <mhall119> fishscene: I'm east coast US, so it's working here
[20:59] <deiu> spazzymoto, that's the step where it fails in my case
[21:00] <nhaines> fishscene: I'm on the west coast and it was down.  :)
[21:00] <spazzymoto> deiu: phone just rebooted
[21:00]  * mhall119 blames west-coast networks
[21:00]  * deiu is envious
[21:00] <Noize> pmcgowan, i'm getting the connection reset error again :/
[21:01] <fishscene> Weird. I'm on westcoast too and it hasn't been down at all for me. I guess I'll just call it a brief rolling outtage.
[21:01] <mike1986> hey guys
[21:01] <deiu> spazzymoto, how long did it take? (the install phase)
[21:01] <zzarr> Hello Hashcode how is the Droid 4 HDMI driver comming along?
[21:01] <Noize> pmcgowan, when attempting to adb localhost/forward
[21:01] <mike1986> I just installed ubuntu on my galaxy nexus, however I have 2 questions: 1) how to navigate without keys (back,home) and 2) how to take screenshots?
[21:01] <pmcgowan> mhall119, shared
[21:01] <spazzymoto> deiu: 5 - 10 mins
[21:02] <mhall119> thanks pmcgowan
[21:03] <mhall119> popey: updated the grouper column, audio playback and volume keys both confirmed working
[21:03] <mhall119> video playback works too, but I don't kno wif the Video_decode row is for hardware decoding or any decoding
[21:03] <cheeseman> hey. I just tried to install ubuntu touch on my Galaxy nexus but it seems to hang at the modified CWM recovery and states an error| cannot fined autoupdate.zip". Has this happened to others here? The installation instructions say to wait through screens that looks like user input required butI was windeing if anyone else has this issue.
[21:04] <mhall119> cheeseman: I think the autoupdate.zip is just a warning, it may still be copying/installing the image files
[21:04] <cheeseman> *find *wondering, uhhh horrible spelling.
[21:04] <mike1986> cheeseman I just installed it on my GN with no issues... did u adb push .zip to /sdcard?
[21:04] <pmcgowan> Noize, I use adb forward tcp:2222 tcp:22; ssh-keygen -f ~/.ssh/known_hosts -R [localhost]:2222; ssh -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no phablet@localhost -p 2222
[21:04] <fserve> how i can shutdown my ubuntu phone?
[21:05] <mhall119> fserve: hold the power button until it shuts off
[21:05] <slangasek> fserve: hold down the power button?
[21:05] <cheeseman> mhall119 Thanks for the info.
[21:05] <pmcgowan> Noize, after enabling ssh and starting the server
[21:05] <fserve> it's the best way?
[21:05] <mhall119> cheeseman: np
[21:05] <fishscene> Thanks for updating the spreadsheet!
[21:05] <mhall119> fserve: it's that or the terminal as far as I know
[21:05] <fserve> i'm going to terminal to type shutdown -h now
[21:05] <fserve> ok
[21:06] <fserve> im testing on mako
[21:06] <mike1986> is /system/bin/screencap -p filename.png the only way to make screenshots?
[21:07] <cheeseman> mike1986 No. I just followed the install commands from the installation page and waited for it to do its thing. Maybe Ill wait for a bit longer to see if it is just a matter of giving it enough time.
[21:08] <mhall119> mike1986: that doesn't work anymore
[21:08] <mhall119> screencap was a SurfaceFlinger thing, doesn't work now that we're on Mir
[21:08] <mike1986> cheeseman check private chat I'm there to help you, too crowded in here :p
[21:08] <mike1986> mhall119 thanks for the info, so any possibility to make screenshot?
[21:08] <mhall119> mike1986: the script in https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1238839 works for a Nexus 4
[21:09] <mhall119> I don't know if or how well it'll work on others
[21:09] <zzarr> does anyone know how HDMI driver for Motorola Droid 4 (XT894) is comming along?
[21:09] <popey> doesnt work on gnex
[21:09] <nhaines> mhall119: it works for "not maguro".
[21:09] <mhall119> well there it is then, works for all the cool people :)
[21:10] <nhaines> ha! :)
[21:10] <pmcgowan> popey, mhall119 can we mark mtp as working for maguro and mako
[21:10] <pmcgowan> does not on manta that I can tell
[21:10] <popey> k
[21:11] <RobbyF> is bluetooth suppose to work?
[21:11] <fishscene> If you don't mind my asking, what is "MTP"?
[21:11] <nhaines> MTP is beautiful on maguro.
[21:11] <fserve> how i can change from farenheit to celsius in weather app?
[21:11] <nhaines> RobbyF: it's *supposed* to but it doesn't.
[21:11] <popey> pretty sure it works on grouper too
[21:11] <popey> lemme check
[21:11] <pmcgowan> bluetooth is somewhat there but there are bugs
[21:11] <RobbyF> k thanks.
[21:11] <nhaines> fserve: bring the toolbar up, choose "Settings"
[21:11] <mhall119> fserve: pull up the toolbar on the button
[21:11] <fserve> thanks
[21:12] <mhall119> and then the rest of what nhaines beat me to
[21:12] <Moe2> does ubuntu phone work with samsung s2 and s3 ?
[21:12] <RobbyF> GPS work? ie google maps in browswer?
[21:12] <nhaines> fishscene: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol
[21:12] <fishscene> nhaines: Thanks!
[21:12] <popey> RobbyF: if you're patient
[21:12] <nhaines> fishscene: welcome.  :)
[21:12] <popey> see the comment on the spreadsheet
[21:12] <RobbyF> has it been updated?
[21:13] <popey> yes, mtp works on n7
[21:13] <mhall119> is MTP what gives me folder access in Nautilus when it's plugged in?
[21:13] <ZeThomas> hey guys, I'm trying out the latest uTouch (mako), and I think the messaging app has crashed on me...
[21:13] <popey> yes
[21:13] <Moe2> does ubuntu phone work with samsung s2 and s3 ???
[21:14] <popey> Moe2: we support nexus devices, community ports to others
[21:14] <popey> see ports link in the topic
[21:14] <mhall119> then yes, MTP works in grouper and mako
[21:19] <mike1986> ok so it seems it's not possible for now to make screenshots on maguro
[21:20] <kedivess> in my apps there isn't the document viewer.....
[21:21]  * spazzymoto tips his hat to you guys at ubuntu. enjoying playing with touch
[21:22] <Guest26351> So when is the full version expected to be released for consumer use?
[21:22] <Guest26351> ??
[21:23] <pmcgowan> Guest26351, a consumer version would be shipped with a product
[21:23] <F41l> Hey all, got a question about ubuntu touch and the 13.10 release. Is desktop dock mode finally available?
[21:23] <F41l> It's a huge factor for me in even installing ubuntu touch on my device.
[21:24] <mike1986> I noticed icons doesn't have very high resolution, looks little bit blurry
[21:24] <gregoryfenton> Hi all. Crossing fingers as I install on my Galaxy Nexus :D
[21:25] <pmcgowan> F41l, no that will not come for some time yet
[21:25] <kedivess> anyone has the document viewer app ?
[21:26] <nhaines> F41l: it's not planned until 14.04 LTS.
[21:26] <mike1986> volume keys doesn't work I think
[21:27] <nhaines> mike1986: volume keys work on maguro.
[21:27] <spazzymoto> mike1986: volume keys on mine dont seem to work either
[21:27] <F41l> I see, unfortunate :(
[21:27] <nhaines> I use them in the car while listening to podcasts.
[21:27] <mhall119> kedivess: unfortunately the document viewer can't be called without the content-hub being finished, which will happen next cycle
[21:28] <kedivess> thanks for the answer.....so there isn't a way to read documents.....
[21:29] <F41l> Well thanks for the information!
[21:29] <mhall119> kedivess: well I think you can still callit from the terminal, but that's not really a user-friendly way of doing it
[21:29] <mhall119> kedivess: it will come though
[21:30] <kedivess> you mean something like : sudo vi /........?
[21:31] <deiu> hmm, I thought 1.0 was supposed to support PIN operations for the SIM card
[21:31] <deiu> I was never asked to unlock the SIM and therefore I can't use it
[21:35] <pmcgowan> deiu, there should be something in the ui to take the sim code, but I dont have a locked sim here
[21:35] <pmcgowan> mhall119, do you know?
[21:35] <mike1986> Checking for updates in settings, shall I expect any?
[21:35] <awe_> pmcgowan, what's the question?
[21:35] <pmcgowan> awe_, isnt there a UI for SIM unlock?
[21:35] <awe_> yes
[21:35] <deiu> where?
[21:35] <deiu> I can't find it
[21:35] <awe_> yea... it's not too obvious
[21:35] <lenios> system settings, security?
[21:36] <awe_> it's in the network indicator menu
[21:36] <awe_> at the bottom, you should see "unlock SIM..."
[21:36] <deiu> found it, thanks
[21:36] <awe_> the original plan was for it to be integrated into the greeter/lock screen
[21:36] <awe_> but seems this got postponed
[21:36] <deiu> btw, I can confirm that bluetooth turns on after screen lock
[21:37] <kedivess> in mine there isn't the "unlock SIM" in the network indicator menu...
[21:37] <mike1986> ok "No Updates Found"
[21:37] <mhall119> pmcgowan: I don't know, I don't use a locked sim either
[21:38] <pmcgowan> kedivess, it only displays if you have a locked sim
[21:38] <kedivess> ok....mine was unlocked.....
[21:38] <exa_> Hello, I would like to install the ubuntu for phone but after adding the repository and doing an update,upgrade it still won't find phablet-tools, any idea ?
[21:39] <kedivess> i thought i could lock/unlock option.....sorry
[21:39] <popey> exa_: its in a ppa
[21:39] <popey> exa_: the install link in the topic should cover it
[21:39] <popey> exa_: what version of ubuntu you running?
[21:40] <lool> mandel_: sorry for the delay; have reviewed the changes now
[21:40] <mandel_> lool, no problem, busy day
[21:40] <exa_> I just downloaded 13.10
[21:40] <mandel_> lool, got like 5 reviews for that branch!
[21:40] <lool> mandel_: I guess you were in a rush, but not too happy that the changes were all in the same commit
[21:40] <lool> was hard to see them
[21:40] <lool> mandel_: what is the impact of the unconnected signal?
[21:41] <lool> (LP #1240967)
[21:41] <exa_> popey: And I tried on another computer running a elemental os and I get the same
[21:41] <spazzymoto> exa_: another guy just had the same issue on 13.10. Not sure on the out come tho. i ran these now on 13.04 and worked fine
[21:42] <mandel_> lool, we are not listening to the network statues, we might have timeout issues if the user disconnects from the network and we cannot tell it happened
[21:42] <lool> mandel_: (BTW when I mentioned "trace" I actually meant a level below debug which logging systems often offer; kind of odd qt doesn't offer it, but doesn't matter, using debug is ok I guess)
[21:42] <mandel_> lool, I would say high impact
[21:42] <popey> exa_: elementary is based on 12.04 so wont have phablet-tools
[21:42] <lool> mandel_: Right; I think that maps to the testing we've done where we were turning off wifi entirely
[21:42] <mandel_> lool, yes, that is one of the reasons I mentioned moving to a diff logging lib and make it as a default in all projects
[21:43] <mandel_> lool, yes, that is a perfect example
[21:43] <lool> mandel_: I noticed that download resumed when I just disconnected from current wifi and reconnected, but Jean-Baptiste noticed that it does NOT resume if you disable wifi and reenable
[21:43] <mandel_> lool, correct, that signal does that for you
[21:44] <lool> mandel_: So I'll be on leave Friday-Thursday
[21:44] <lool> mandel_: But I think I've convinced Didier we want to SRU this change
[21:44] <lool> mandel_: However it needs testing
[21:44] <lool> mandel_: would someone in your team be able to test a system-image update with these changes?
[21:45] <mandel_> lool, correct, I have tested it in a nexus galaxy but I'll ping elopio to see if he can do it
[21:45] <lool> mandel_: Ok, how did you test it?
[21:45] <lool> mandel_: Hmm I see the PPA didn't pick this up yet
[21:45] <mike1986> it's weird that after switching off the device it shows battery charging icon, however the device itself is not connected to a cable
[21:46] <mandel_> lool, I have a download script that downloads the same files as the system-updates, lauched it, turned off wifi, made a cup of tea, had it and reconnected
[21:46] <mandel_> lool, you have to wait some time to ensure that is not caching the connectiong 120s
[21:46] <lool> mandel_: I've poked cu2d to take latest bzr and push it to ubuntu-unity/daily-build PPA
[21:46] <mandel_> lool, is you are withint those 120s it resumes
[21:47] <lool> mandel_: 2 minutes is interesting; I didn't wait 2 minutes
[21:47] <Yamagata> anyone having issues with phablet-flash timing out with a nexus 4? tried a few different issues, but i keep running into the "Installation is taking too long" error
[21:47] <lool> probably Jean-Baptiste didn't either
[21:47] <lool> mandel_: But what would be good is testing the actual .deb with an actual system-image update
[21:47] <exa_> spazzymoto: ok thx raring it's ><
[21:48] <lool> mandel_: you know, just in case something is misbuilt etc.
[21:48] <mandel_> lool, makes sense
[21:49] <lool> mandel_: what's a bit painful is that the latest system-image is in the latest image, so you'd want to take an older image, upgrade system-image packages and download-manager packages, then test an upgrade
[21:49] <lool> mandel_: the way to do this is not as awful as it sounds
[21:49] <lool> mandel_: phablet-flash ubuntu_system --channel whatever --revision -1 or -2
[21:49] <fserve> how to get my contacts from my google account to the accounts in ubuntu phone?
[21:49] <lool> then mount -o remount,rw
[21:49] <mandel_> lool, yes, I tested it last night and was ok, but I can test it again with the .deb
[21:50] <lool> then install packages (e.g. apt-get update and apt-get install them)
[21:50] <lool> then mount -o remount,ro; sync; reboot; upgrade
[21:50] <lool> (system-image upgrade that is)
[21:50] <lool> mandel_: how did you test latest system-image?  from an older image?
[21:50] <lool> mandel_: Cause only the latest one actually takes care of pause/resume
[21:51] <spazzymoto> fserve: im also looking. cant seem to install syncevolution
[21:51] <popey> fserve: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DailyDriver
[21:51] <mandel_> lool, so, I had the code running in the phone (from the branch) and image 99, then I did the test, disconnecting etc..
[21:51] <popey> see "add google contacts" on that page
[21:51] <popey> spazzymoto: you too
[21:51] <fserve> thanks popey and spazzymoto
[21:51] <popey> note!
[21:51] <popey> the apt-get isnt needed
[21:51] <popey> just the two syncevolution commands
[21:51] <lool> mandel_: but was latest system-image doing the downloads?
[21:52] <deiu> hmm, is syncevolution limited to 50 contacts?
[21:52]  * popey updates the page
[21:52] <popey> no
[21:52] <popey> deiu: see the page
[21:52] <mandel_> lool, the one from version 99, I did not update system-image
[21:52] <popey> "If you have lots (more than 50) contacts then issue the following command multiple times until all your contacts are synced.
[21:52] <popey> "
[21:52] <popey> syncevolution --sync one-way-from-server Google_Contacts addressbook
[21:52] <popey> run that repeatedly and it will pull in 50 each time
[21:52] <deiu> ah, right
[21:52] <deiu> thanks!
[21:52] <popey> np
[21:53] <mike1986> what is the message icon in the status bar? I don't have any messages
[21:53] <mike1986> albo have gps icons, but gps is disabled in settings
[21:54] <popey> mike1986: send yourself an SMS and it will light up
[21:54] <mhall119> mike1986: when you get an SMS it'll show up there
[21:54] <mhall119> and turn blue
[21:55] <mike1986> ok, thanks!
[21:55] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/360554/how-do-i-sync-google-contacts/360556#360556
[21:55] <popey> boom
[21:55] <popey> for the google juice
[21:55] <popey> jcastro would be proud
[21:55] <mike1986> I guess I won't be able to write a small review today on my blog. shame screencapture doesn't work on maguro
[21:56] <lool> mandel_: Right; so would be good to; would be easier if you had a more recent image to upgrade to, but we dont right now
[21:56] <spazzymoto> popey: su -u phablet -i doesnt work for me. su: invaild option -- 'u'
[21:56] <lool> mandel_: the new system-image changes precisely this handling, which is why it's important
[21:56] <popey> oops
[21:56]  * popey edits
[21:56] <popey> spazzymoto: sudo -u phablet -i
[21:56] <lool> mandel_: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+packages?field.name_filter=ubuntu-download-manager&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=saucy building
[21:56] <popey> fixed
[21:56] <mandel_> lool, that means that the bug where we pause the download and the system image exists is fixed?
[21:56] <spazzymoto> shot for the help
[21:57] <lool> mandel_: with latest system-image, pause/resume works
[21:57] <mandel_> lool, would be nice to sit down and talk about the network issues and race conditions we have between system-image and the download manager
[21:57] <lool> mandel_: However I got odd behavior if trying to stop wifi while paused, and J-B had problems when turning off wifi during download
[21:57] <lool> mandel_: Yeah; there are many; did you see J-B's emai?
[21:57] <tomjrhodes> hey, anyone here had trouble with the phablet-flash installer taking too long to finish error on the nexus 4?
[21:57] <mandel_> lool, hm.. no, let me check, I might not be in copy
[21:58] <lool> mandel_: fwding
[21:58] <Yamagata> tomjrhodes: it's doing that for me, regardless of what i try to pass to phablet-flash
[21:58] <mandel_> lool, I have written a state machine that shows the diff states of a download (including errors etc) so that we can picture the diff problems better
[21:58] <tomjrhodes> just trying "phablet-flash ubuntu-system -d mako -b" but taking ages again
[21:59] <tomjrhodes> so i have a feelign it's not going ot work again
[21:59] <mandel_> lool, I fear that if you pause the donwload in u-d-m for a looooong period of type, the system-image times out and does not know what to do
[21:59] <popey> tomjrhodes: define "ages"?
[21:59] <popey> it takes a good 10 mins or so here
[21:59] <mandel_> lool, I have a fix for that in my side where system-update can send a predictable object path to check if the download was paused etc..
[21:59] <tomjrhodes> till it comes up with the "too long error"
[22:00] <tomjrhodes> about 25-30 mins
[22:00] <lool> mandel_: sent
[22:00] <lool> mandel_: so yeah, I think barry and you ought to make this much more solid in coming weeks
[22:00] <ZeThomas> hey, I want to uninstall the Facebook app, but it gives an error: 'Problem running: pkcon -p remove com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.webapp-facebook;(null);all;local:click (Child process exited with code 7)'
[22:01] <tomjrhodes> after the first attempt the recovery has ubuntu logo
[22:01]  * barry wakes up
[22:01] <lool> mandel_: system-image has other state issues when e.g. leaving/entering settings
[22:01] <jeffk_> hello
[22:01] <lool> barry: Hey!
[22:01] <barry> lool: hi!
[22:01] <barry> what's up?
[22:01] <mandel_> lool, barry we can have another virtual sprint about it next week :)
[22:01] <lool> barry: Also fwded an email from J-B with download-manager + system-image testing
[22:01] <lool> barry: Full of interesting issues  ;-)
[22:01] <mandel_> barry, we are very important and when we screw up A LOT or people notice :-/
[22:02] <jeffk_> maybe someone can help me, i have been trying to setup a 3g connection on Ubuntu touch, I do not have a Ubuntu desktop.. is there any other way to manually set it up on the phone?
[22:02] <lool> mandel_, barry: But I wont be around that much next week; dont count on me
[22:02] <lool> mandel_: Quite right
[22:02] <barry> lool: haven't seen that email yet, but i'll keep an eye on it
[22:02] <mandel_> lool, barry and I can organize, at least we can focus on finding the problems and documenting the issues and then what actions to take
[22:02] <tomjrhodes> sorry to interrupt :/ the -d mako -b bombed in same way "ERROR:phablet-flash:Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way.
[22:02] <tomjrhodes> "
[22:03] <lool> mandel_, barry: Basically updates to system-image or download-manager are immediately at a minimum of "medium" risk on landing team's radar; just because it could brick users' systems
[22:03] <lool> barry: Just fwded it to you, you weren't Cc:ed
[22:03]  * barry nods
[22:03] <jeffk_> is there any way to setup APN settings manually on ubuntu touch?
[22:03] <lool> tomjrhodes: boot into recovery and retry the phablet-flash with -d
[22:04] <lool> tomjrhodes: if that doesn't work, sudo adb kill-server first
[22:04] <barry> lool: indeed, we need lots of testing
[22:04] <mandel_> barry, lets talk next week and document the interaction between the two daemons, I have very nice ideas on how to make it more robust
[22:04] <lool> barry: One of the most annoying ones that Pat also pinged recently is the one where system-image suicides when you're on the install&restart screen, and you cant apply the update
[22:04] <barry> mandel_: sounds great.  i definitely want to talk about the timeout errors i see during dep8 tests too
[22:04] <tomjrhodes> ok thanks lool
[22:04] <mandel_> barry, lool is not something we can do on a single day, but my last push will at least fix the issues when we loose the network
[22:05] <lool> barry, mandel_: But guys, keep in mind, this is awesome technology; consider these are the first image based updates of Ubuntu; it's pretty amazing to have this fast one stop process to update the OS in a single pass
[22:05] <jeffk_> :/
[22:05] <barry> lool: \o/
[22:05] <lool> barry, mandel_: Imagine apt-get update / upgrade, all the dpkg / apt failures we dealt with in the past etc.
[22:05] <mandel_> barry, ok, we have a plan then, next week unless I'm dragged my someone I'll focus on this with you
[22:05] <lool> mandel_: Yeah this is definitely for later
[22:06] <mandel_> lool, I just want it to make it smarter regarding network status etc.. I think I can do A LOT better after looking at how qt was implemented
[22:06] <lool> mandel_, barry: And now is actually a great time for you guys to polish this, cover the edge cases etc.; then around vUDS we can plan the next grand plans for next cycles
[22:06] <barry> lool: i guess the other thing to consider is how much we sru and how much we just roll into t.  but we can decide on an bug-by-bug basis
[22:06] <lool> mandel_: For instance exposing download manager to apps
[22:06] <mandel_> lool, yes \o/
[22:07] <lool> barry: the only thing I would SRU is the log issue; I could also make a case for the system-image "install and restart" timeout thing if it's simple and isolated
[22:07] <lool> barry: but essentially, as little SRUs as possible, stabilizing T as soon as possible
[22:07] <lool> barry: then providing users wiht a stable T image in a month
[22:07] <barry> lool: agreed!
[22:07] <lool> yes, "stable" is what I wrote above
[22:07] <lool> devel updates over the next weeks (e.g. every week)
[22:07] <lool> and perhaps a stable update next month
[22:08] <lool> that would awesome IMO
[22:08] <lool> first phoen platform with such an aggressive update frequency  :-)
[22:08] <fserve> mount -o remount,rw / isnt working for me
[22:08] <lool> well, maybe at least
[22:08] <fserve> my apt-get update still not working
[22:08] <lool> fserve: what's the error?
[22:08] <lool> fserve: with mount
[22:09] <fserve> nah, i got it working now
[22:09] <fserve> lool, sorry, thanks
[22:09] <mike1986> lool: and chance screenshot binary from original maguro system would work? :D
[22:09] <lool> Ok; I'm out of battery, time to close the laptop
[22:09] <lool> mike1986: nope
[22:09] <mandel_> barry, lool I need to change locations, sorry, I'll read the email, make notes, do nice state diagrams on how to improve things and probably list/create bugs in lp
[22:09] <lool> mandel_: awesome
[22:10] <lool> barry, mandel_: Thanks folks, enjoy the release too!
[22:10] <mike1986> lool is the camera in hand the only way for now?
[22:10] <lool> mike1986: yup
[22:10] <mike1986> ok, thanks for the confirmation
[22:11] <realityiswhere> hmmm, those syncevolution instructions don't seem to like passwords with symbol characters
[22:12] <deiu> Right..so everything works now (from what I could test over the past hour) :)
[22:12] <deiu> Huge thanks to the team for their epic effort!
[22:13]  * spazzymoto agrees with deiu
[22:15] <mike1986> yeah
[22:15] <mike1986> screenshot works :)
[22:15] <mike1986> lool I got screenshot working ;)
[22:15] <gtklocker> Hi, I'm flashing on my mako and for some reason the Waiting for install to finish on device... part takes way too long. Any ideas?
[22:15] <gtklocker> My phone's got a black screen and nothing's happening basically, are my time expectations wrong?
[22:15] <jeffk_> BROSSSS
[22:16] <Yamagata> Finally got ubuntu on my n4, is there a method for importing contacts from my SIM card? I've got the google contacts in thanks to this channel. =)
[22:18] <jeffk_> anyone use wind mobile on Ubuntu touch?
[22:20] <fserve> gtklocker: i got the same problem
[22:20] <deiu> gtklocker, try rebooting into recovery
[22:20] <fserve> gtklocker: just let the phone in the google screen for 5 minutes when you get the error message
[22:21] <fserve> and ubuntu will boot
[22:21] <deiu> then when you select the reboot option it will give you a list of lots of No options with one Yes around position 6 or 7
[22:21] <deiu> select it then reboot
[22:21] <tomjrhodes> gtlocker: same here
[22:22] <Ubuntuuu> Will the desktop mode work??
[22:22] <gtklocker> fserve: comforting to see that I'm not alone
[22:22] <deiu> Ubuntuuu, no, that is planned for 14.04
[22:22] <mike1986> ok got the first screenshot working, however next screenshots are emtpy images, any idea?
[22:22] <tomjrhodes> ha no, you aren't alone
[22:22] <Ubuntuuu> :(
[22:23] <deiu> gtklocker, then use this command to flash: `phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel saucy --no-backup -d mako --debug`
[22:23] <gtklocker> I wonder how much time it will take to throw an error back at me.
[22:23] <popey> deiu: 14.10
[22:23] <tomjrhodes> taking me about 25 mins
[22:23] <deiu> ~20 mins
[22:23] <gtklocker> deiu: I'll try that if it doesn't work after the error; I don't know what state my phone will be after the error though
[22:23] <fishscene> Mir wasn't ready for 13.10 Desktop, but was good enough for mobile, so mobile uses Mir, but there's no desktop mode until Desktop supports Mir
[22:23] <gtklocker> s/will be/will be in
[22:23] <deiu> gtklocker, I had the same problem earlier
[22:23] <fserve> gtklocker: just do what i told :)
[22:23] <deiu> popey, ah yes, my bad (sorry)
[22:23] <fserve> i had the same problem too
[22:24] <gtklocker> fserve: I have to wait anyway, I can't like remove the battery :P
[22:24] <gtklocker> deiu: ^
[22:24] <fserve> yeah, we had to
[22:24] <tomjrhodes> ok, so when i get the error again, get in to recovery with ubuntu logo, select reboot, then yes?
[22:24] <fserve> yes
[22:24] <tomjrhodes> cool
[22:24] <gtklocker> ok got the error, I'm still on a blank screen :(
[22:24] <tomjrhodes> *waits*
[22:24] <fserve> and wait on the google boot screen
[22:25] <fserve> gtklocker: it's ok
[22:25] <fserve> adb device still show your phone?
[22:25] <gtklocker> fserve: in recovery
[22:25] <fserve> poweroff it
[22:25] <popey> deiu: np ☻
[22:25] <gtklocker> fserve: oh ok
[22:25] <Nexus5ftw> When is ubuntu 14.10 released then? I want desktop moode :(
[22:25] <gtklocker> let's see...
[22:26] <fserve> gtklocker: then poweron and wait :)
[22:26] <RobbyF> Nexus5ftw, 6 months
[22:26] <gtklocker> fserve: I wonder why this issue existed
[22:26] <gtklocker> it just shouldn't be there
[22:26] <Nexus5ftw> Cmon? Why so long?
[22:26] <ILikeFish> I wish this android's stomach would stop spinning
[22:26] <fserve> yep, seems to be a global issue
[22:26] <gtklocker> That'd scare off the hell out of new users
[22:27] <gtklocker> Booted!
[22:27] <tomjrhodes> ok after disable recovery flash
[22:27] <tomjrhodes> do i hit yes for the second one too?
[22:28] <tomjrhodes> to fix root?
[22:28] <deiu> yes
[22:28] <tomjrhodes> ok
[22:28] <tomjrhodes> got greyed out google logo
[22:29] <mike1986> can I force the screen to stay awake?
[22:29] <deiu> ok
[22:29] <tomjrhodes> gtklocker: did you get a black screen for a bit?
[22:29] <deiu> not flash again
[22:29] <deiu> now*
[22:29] <gtklocker> tomjrhodes: yes, just a couple of moments
[22:30] <popey> mike1986: adb shell stop powerd
[22:30] <gtklocker> tomjrhodes: I got a black screen for a hell of time in the installation process though
[22:30] <mike1986> thanks popey
[22:30] <popey> np
[22:30] <tomjrhodes> gtklocker: yeah me too, 20 mins or so, then errored
[22:30] <mike1986> no idea why first screenshot was fine and the rest are blank, really weird
[22:30] <tomjrhodes> been there 3 times with diff phablet-flash commands :)
[22:31] <tomjrhodes> not booting for me
[22:31] <godofgrunts> Anybody getting an issue with the browser freezing and making the screen flicker really fast?
[22:32] <popey> godofgrunts: not seen that
[22:32] <popey> godofgrunts: does it only happen in the browser app?
[22:32] <godofgrunts> I don't know it was the first thing I've done.
[22:32] <godofgrunts> Trying to reboot now
[22:32] <popey> which device?
[22:33] <godofgrunts> Nexus 7 2012
[22:33] <popey> Hm.
[22:33] <godofgrunts> Uploading a video to youtube now.
[22:33] <godofgrunts> rebooting tablet though
[22:33]  * deiu is out
[22:34] <deiu> Again, great job everyone! :)
[22:34] <godofgrunts> ^
[22:37] <lugiber> Hi! Anyone there?
[22:37] <godofgrunts> This is kind of intimidating to report a bug...
[22:38] <lugiber> Just installed Core-Apps. But i can't find the email app on my phone.
[22:38] <lugiber> Is this a known bug or am i just stupid? :-)
[22:38] <godofgrunts> popey: It did it again.
[22:38] <mhall119> lugiber: there's a gmail app, that's all for now
[22:38] <lugiber> Ah, i see!
[22:39] <fishscene> godofgrunts: The latest developer images this past week have had that screen flicker issue on my Nexus 7 (2012). It wasn't just browser either, it was any application that froze while I was swiping from right-to-left.
[22:39] <lugiber> So the email app is the gmail app.
[22:39] <lugiber> It all makes sense to me!
[22:39] <lugiber> Thanks a lot!
[22:39] <mhall119> np
[22:39] <johnsterdotcom> Anyone know if I have a prayer if I try to install on a Samsung Galaxy S4?
[22:39] <godofgrunts> fishscene: Is there a bug report already filed?
[22:39] <fishscene> johnsterdotcom: Check this out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[22:40] <lugiber> Do you know if there are any working pop/imap clients that i can use?
[22:40] <lugiber> I really need to be connected to my work mail at all hours.
[22:40] <fishscene> godofgrunts: I haven't looked for one yet. I haven't had time to buckle-down and do that.
[22:40] <godofgrunts> johnsterdotcom: It's not listed under the support devices
[22:41] <godofgrunts> fishscene: Okay, I'll look for one.
[22:41] <fishscene> Post it here too if you find it. :)
[22:44] <gtklocker> So I just locked the screen and it won't open again.
[22:44] <gtklocker> Effectively dead
[22:45] <m_zet> hi
[22:46] <m_zet> any chance to install ubuntu on n4 from win 7?
[22:46] <lugiber> Ok, one final question. I can't seem to be able to save alarms.
[22:46] <mhall119> m_zet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Download_.26_Installation
[22:46] <mhall119> that should work with the windows adb tools
[22:46] <lugiber> Changing the settings works great. But when i push save everything gets reset.
[22:46] <mhall119> lugiber: that's a know bug, the fix just missed the release window, but will be in an update soon
[22:47] <lugiber> Ah, cool.
[22:47] <m_zet> that;s what I suspected - thank you very much!!
[22:47] <m_zet> mhall119: thank you again!!
[22:47] <mhall119> np
[22:47] <mhall119> have fun with it :)
[22:47] <fserve> how i can disable screen rotate?
[22:47] <lugiber> I'll just keep doing the "apt-get upgrade" and hope to see a fix within a few days.
[22:48] <lugiber> Thanks again for all your help!
[22:49] <jeffk_> hey can anyone help me get 3g working?
[22:49] <m_zet> one more question: after installaation of ubuntu are all files like pictures music stored on the card deleted?
[22:50] <jeffk_> i try 'nmcli con up id "WIND Mobile"' from adb shell but it says "Error: Unknown connection: WIND Mobile."
[22:50] <jeffk_> after i setup the config
[22:50] <mhall119> m_zet: the first time you install yes
[22:50] <m_zet> mhall119: good to know, again thank you very much!! good night!
[22:51] <mhall119> g'night
[22:51] <jeffk_> does anyone know how to setup 3g?!
[22:53] <mhall119> sorry jeffk_, mine "just worked"
[22:53] <mhall119> didn't have to do anything
[22:53] <moppy> oh hi, so is this regular ubuntu with a different UI?
[22:53] <mhall119> moppy: essentially yes
[22:53] <jeffk_> Ok
[22:53] <jeffk_> I followed this https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx
[22:53] <moppy> would i be able to run valve's steam on it?
[22:53] <mhall119> moppy: no
[22:54] <mhall119> well, I'll say not yet
[22:54] <jeffk_> but didnt work
[22:54] <godofgrunts> moppy: No, steam is a x86 binary
[22:54] <mhall119> 1) it's a different architecture than Steam runs on (ARM instead of x86), and it's a different display server (Mir instead of X11)
[22:54] <moppy> ubuntu touch is arm only?
[22:54] <mhall119> moppy: for now yes
[22:54] <godofgrunts> moppy: So far I think it is
[22:55] <mhall119> moppy: "Ubuntu Touch" is a combination of Ubuntu base, Unity 8 and some Android hardware enablement bits
[22:55] <moppy> hrm so steam under qemu and i'd be lucky to get 1 FPS :-)
[22:55] <fserve> is it possible to install android apps on ubuntu touch?
[22:55] <mhall119> Ubuntu base is, of course, capable of running on x86, so is Unity 8, but it doesn't have a desktop mode, the android bits are ARM-specific though
[22:56] <mhall119> moppy: in theory it wouldn't be much work for Vavle to get Steam running on Ubuntu for ARM
[22:56] <mhall119> but, none of their games are developed for ARM, and as far as I know their UI isn't optimized for touch
[22:56] <moppy> to be honest i seem game porting to ARM to be a huge hassle, plus the low speed of arm. I'm sort of expecting to use it on an x86
[22:56] <mhall119> so it wouldn't be all that great even if it did run right now
[22:57] <godofgrunts> fishscene: Bug reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1241242
[22:57] <mhall119> moppy: ARM isn't all that slow, and besides most games will care more about the GPU and nVidia for one is very focused on high performance GPUs for ARM
[22:57] <moppy> i'm going to disagree there
[22:58] <mhall119> fair enough, we'll have to all wait and see what develops :)
[22:58] <moppy> arms are about the same speed as atoms and wont run a AAA game
[22:58] <fserve> how i can disable screen rotate?
[22:58] <moppy> puzzle pirates would work though i guess
[22:58] <moppy> you'reonly bottlenecked by the CPU once you're at i5 level
[22:59] <mhall119> moppy: have you seen nVidia's shield device?
[22:59] <moppy> after that, the gpu is the bottleneck
[22:59] <RobbyF> it plays AAA games
[22:59] <moppy> at what frame rate?
[23:00] <mhall119> looked smooth when I saw it demoed
[23:00] <RobbyF> +1
[23:00] <godofgrunts> If you guys want real numbers: http://www.notebookcheck.net/SoC-Shootout-x86-vs-ARM.99496.0.html
[23:01] <moppy> what title was it btw?
[23:01] <mhall119> moppy: I think you'll be surprised what a modern ARM chip and good GPU can do
[23:01] <mhall119> I don't remember the game, I'm not a gamer so I was more interested in teh hardware to be honest
[23:01] <mhall119> well, interested in the platform anyway
[23:02] <fserve> how i can install more apps for ubuntu touch on my nexus?
[23:02] <mhall119> fserve: in the Applications screen is a "More Suggestions" section
[23:02] <mhall119> you can search and install apps from there
[23:03] <moppy> i'll tell you why i am asking: as far as i am aware, shield runs android games. if it's running a PC title, it's streaming the graphics from a pc
[23:03] <godofgrunts> Sad that my Nexus is unusable...
[23:03] <mhall119> moppy: well I saw it at a conference, someone was walking around with it, so I doubt it was streaming from a PC
[23:04] <moppy> then it was an android title, or doing it over wifi
[23:04] <mhall119> not with the wifi available there :)
[23:04] <gregoryfenton> Help I am stuck at "downloading 'boot.img'..." with the error "FAILED (data transfer failure (Value too large for defined data type))"
[23:06] <zeebok> is it safe to assume that setting up an APN for a nexus 4 on straighttalk cannot be manually done?
[23:06] <zeebok> the automatic settings for it do not provide 3G unfortunately
[23:09] <godofgrunts> gregoryfenton: What device are you using to flash it with?
[23:09] <gregoryfenton> ubuntu 13.10, flashing a galaxy nexus
[23:10] <godofgrunts> Do you have enough room in /tmp or wherever it's downloading too?
[23:10] <gregoryfenton> 2tb hard drive
[23:10] <godofgrunts> That doesn't mean anything, did you partition /tmp to a seperate directory?
[23:11] <fserve> i cant find the maps app
[23:11] <gregoryfenton> no, it is one partition, 1.6TB free
[23:12] <gregoryfenton> I have run with --debug and it shows successful downloading
[23:12] <godofgrunts> Can you paste the last few lines here?
[23:15] <challach_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVCVgSfbELk&feature=youtu.be
[23:17] <gregoryfenton> godofgrunts, http://pastebin.com/XhgXaZPs is the complete output
[23:19] <godofgrunts> gregoryfenton: Did you unlock everything correctly? It says it returned a non zero for fastboot
[23:21] <gregoryfenton> please give me a moment, bashing my head off the wall for forgetting "fastboot oem unlock", retrying :P
[23:27] <gregoryfenton> godofgrunts, still no joy after unlocking bootloader :(
[23:27] <fishscene> Ok, so, If I wanted to install "ubuntu-touch 1.0", should I use the "saucy" channel or "stable" or "development"?
[23:27] <godofgrunts> gregoryfenton: Same error?
[23:28] <JHOSMAN> Is there any application that overrides WhatsApp?
[23:29] <jsantos17> hey quick question: what happens if i flash ubuntu but don't flash the recovery image?
[23:29] <jsantos17> i would like to keep twrp in case i want to restore to Android
[23:31] <jsantos17> lots of idlers here
[23:31] <jsantos17> oh well
[23:32] <RobbyF> you can restore android either way
[23:32] <godofgrunts> Idlers in IRC?
[23:32] <godofgrunts> You must be confused
[23:32] <jsantos17> well, i would like to restore my phone as is from a twrp backup
[23:32] <jsantos17> anyone tried that after using ubuntu touch?
[23:33] <Prasad> hello... have a question
[23:33] <gregoryfenton> godofgrunts, http://pastebin.com/a0g38iJG for the latest errors (I skipped all the downloading info)
[23:35] <godofgrunts> gregoryfenton: Your fastboot is still not working
[23:36] <godofgrunts> gregoryfenton: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1227576
[23:36] <Prasad> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my maguro... at the last step when I run phablet-flash it reaches recovery and waits. Recovery says autodeploy.zip not found!
[23:46] <Prasad> anyone here ???
[23:46] <mado> Prasad: hello :)
[23:47] <mado> i just came in myself and was about to ask the same thing in a polite way :)
[23:47] <fishscene> A few are alive. :)
[23:47] <mado> hello @ fishscene :)
[23:48] <mado> say fishscene ... can you maybe tell me ... the two phones "Ubuntu Touch" is running on right now ...
[23:48] <fishscene> Greetings.     also, Prasad, I didn't respond because I didn't have an answer for you. Although I've seen that message many times, it hasn't interrupted or interfered with imaging on my Nexus 7 (2012)
[23:48] <mado> are these the I9250 and E960 models?
[23:49] <fishscene> LG Nexus 4 and Samnsung Galaxy Nexus ( https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArLs7UPtu-hJdDZDNWliMmV1YUJ3Zk1pQlpDdGp4VFE&usp=sharing#gid=0 )
[23:49] <Prasad> hi mado
[23:49] <challach_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[23:49] <Prasad> fishscene:  is it perhaps the script is trying to save the flash files at an invalid location?
[23:49] <Prasad> possibly since the 4.3 / 4.3.1 update ?
[23:50] <mado> thanks for that fishscene and challach_
[23:50] <challach_> welcome
[23:50] <mado> you see ... i don't have a modern mobile phone yet ... still using a rather old and classic one ;) ...
[23:51] <Skiroid> Hi. I'm up to the bit "INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. Please do not unplug device until phablet-flash finishes." can anyone tell me how long this usually takes?
[23:51] <fishscene> Prasad: Are you using Ubuntu in a virtual machine?
[23:51] <mado> for some time now i'm thinking and trying to decide what phone i should get myself ... or if i should wait until next year to get a proper ubuntu phone
[23:51] <Prasad> no, UEFI install
[23:51] <mado> i also sent Canonical an email ... asking them some questions ... but i didn't get any reply at all
[23:52] <Prasad> the files in phablet-flash are confusing, fishscene
[23:52] <fishscene> mado: 14.04 is slated as the "full" release of Ubuntu-touch. Until then, it's really only useful for developers and carriers.
[23:52] <mado> also: it's a pity the millions they would have received weren't enough for them to start the "Edge"
[23:52] <Prasad> how could I know which one ultimately gets renamed to autodeploy.zip ?
[23:53] <mado> well fishscene ... if i knew how i'd love to develop things as well ... i'd even love to learn it / am willing to learn stuff ...
[23:53] <fishscene> Prasad: Yea. I built a script to handle most of the tedious tasks of deploying to my Nexus 7, but I haven't had any issues with the autodeploy.zip error message, even though I see that all the time when I image.
[23:53] <mado> but willingness doesn't count enough
[23:54] <mado> soooo ... would YOU suggest i should wait until April / May to get a proper device fishscene ?
[23:54] <fishscene> mado: I'm only aware of community-backed app's. I dunno about helping to contribute to ubuntu-touch itself.
[23:54] <mado> well ... i'd help out with both things if i knew how :)
[23:55] <fishscene> mado: That would be my suggestion unless you want to deal with bugs/glitches/crashes.
[23:55] <mado> i don't mind that fishscene ... will be like some other operating systems we know of ;)
[23:55] <Prasad> ok so as far as the official install procedure goes ( that I'm following to the letter)
[23:55] <Prasad> how should I proceed ?
[23:56] <fishscene> mado: lol. Anyway, here's a pointer to app-development for ubuntu-touch: http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/app-ecosystem
[23:56] <mado> well ... i hope i wasn't offensive by saying that fishscene :)
[23:57] <mado> and thanks for that link as well
[23:57] <Prasad> ah, nvm :P
[23:57] <Prasad> it worked having tried from another port... weird
[23:57] <fishscene> lol. Well hey, one less problem!
[23:57] <mado> it's a shame i don't see "A1" on the list of carriers there yet
[23:57] <Prasad> funny that adb was working perfectly... just not when phablet-flash tried to use it
[23:58] <fishscene> mado: You weren't offensive at all. :)   I can't code, I can only write basic (and sloppy-looking) scripts, but I'm learning as I go. Right now, the only way I can contribute is to help point others somewhere. So here I am :)
[23:58] <mado> fishscene: ... nice ... you can do more than i can do then :)
[23:59] <fishscene> We all start somewhere.
[23:59] <mado> so far the only "contribution" i made was by phoning some mobile phone network providers ... and told them to get their hands on ubuntu phones :D