[06:38] happy release day [06:50] morning and same to you SuperMatt :) [06:55] morinng all [06:56] Is it out yet? [06:56] ;-) [06:56] I think we can all say no to that [06:56] for now [06:58] omg there should just be a countdown counter somewhere already ;) [06:59] the same thing will happen as usual, the isos will go up, some idiot will announce it, everyone will download them, and then it'll turn out there's something wrong with them [06:59] lol I'll stick to LTS lol [06:59] * popey checks he's not in #ubuntu-release-party [06:59] heh [06:59] popey: but I thought you liked not being able to hear yourself think :) [07:00] heh [07:00] Morning all [07:01] http://www.unixmen.com/top-things-installing-ubuntu-13-10/ well this is a terrible article [07:01] re: 2. ubuntu tweak is in the ubuntu repos [07:01] re: 3. cinnamon has been known to break 13.10 [07:02] have you contacted the author SuperMatt ? [07:02] nope [07:02] then stop whining i don't wanna hear about it ;) lol :p [07:02] I've only just seen it [07:02] I take that back then :) [07:02] whine away :D [07:04] also, step 1 is wrong [07:05] also, ripped off content [07:05] https://www.google.co.uk/search?q="Regardless+of+whether+you+need+to+edit+images" [07:05] who's going to the party in London tonight? I've found out I am now free so might jump on the train... [07:06] I might make it [07:06] I'm staying off work today because I'm not well :( [07:06] if I come, it is literally just to grab a free t-shirt :P [07:06] They never have enough FB size for my liking ;-) [07:07] fb size? [07:07] Fat B*st*rd [07:07] ah [07:08] small is all I need [07:08] Me and my lovely wife have had lots fun with that. Going into a "posh" genetleman's outfitters and she asking the bloke, with me standing behind, if they have anything in FB size... [07:09] lols [07:09] well, I'm sat in my quantal t-shirt today [07:09] I don't have a raring one because I didn't make it to the party in time [07:10] and I might wait till it's on sale [07:10] yesterday I was wearing my lucid lynx t! :) [07:10] I wish I had a hardy heron [07:10] I think they should bring that bad boy back [07:12] I bet someone some where has the whole collection of tshirts for each release [07:12] * SuperMatt looks at popey [07:13] not all [07:13] most [07:13] searching ebay for hardy heron t-shirt and it keeps "correcting" it to hard hero [07:13] F.U. ebay, I know what I want [07:14] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/official-ubuntu-13-10-saucy-salamander-t-shirts-go-sale shows them all [07:14] I've got lucid, precise, and quantal [07:14] there's no jaunty there [07:14] cinnamon doesn't break ubuntu. it only breaks unity [07:15] SuperMatt: it says theres no 9.04 [07:15] oh yeah [07:15] there was [07:15] no, i lied [07:16] there was no jaunty shirt? [07:16] omg! [07:16] my whole life has been a lie [07:16] see the intrepid one ☻ [08:24] Good morning peeps :) [08:24] ello ello [08:25] moring mornign === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:28] popey: SuperMatt: jaunty was one of those band tour tshirts http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=565 [08:28] bit rubbish [08:28] oh god yes [08:28] that was terrible [08:29] cannot wait for the 13.10 upgrade later today :) [08:29] hoping it will fix my dual screen woes [08:29] andrewebdev: I am runing it on dual screen and it is fine [08:29] andrewebdev: what kind of woes are you having? [08:29] it occasionally gets them the wrong way round, but that is OK [08:30] and what version are you using at the moment andrewebdev? [08:30] The secret to happy multiple screens is to have them all connected to the same graphics card :D http://www.myrant.net/2013/02/17/multi-screen-with-ubuntu-unity/ [08:30] that never happens to me [08:30] this was my issue [08:30] http://askubuntu.com/questions/298881/13-04-unity-dual-monitors-graphics-suddenly-broken-for-no-reason [08:30] I downgrade back to 12.10 [08:31] SuperMatt: I have a screen on the left at the office and a screen on the left at home, sometimes I plug in and it puts the external screen on the right [08:31] oh right [08:31] andrewebdev: that looks like one of the early issues with Mir [08:32] but it isn't, you have an ATI Radeon card [08:33] I've just streered clear of radeon [08:34] interesting that ubuntu is released to day as is windows 8.1 [08:34] anyway, looking forward to upgrading today [08:35] Happy slow server day! [08:35] I thought 8.1 was tomorrow [08:35] it's midnight last night or tonight one of the two ;) [08:39] The excitement was too much for his connection [08:40] ah right, 8.1 should be released in the uk at midday [08:40] canonical have until then to get 13.10 out :P [08:40] you know what you don't see much anymore? faux gold tissue boxes on the parcel shelf of cars. [08:40] T - 8 days, 5 hours, 49 mins - how did it get to be so flippin' close? [08:47] \o [08:56] Good morning all; happy World Poverty Day and, of course, happy Ubuntu 13.10 Release Day! :-D [08:56] JamesTait: you missed happy windows 8.1 release day too :p lol [08:56] MooDoo, no, I didn't. :-P [08:57] MooDoo: isn't that tomorrow? [08:57] MooDoo, I only mention the important stuff. ;) [08:57] MooDoo: I heard that was Oct 18 (.. my birthday) [08:58] yeah i'm just teasing folks :) [08:58] Oh, I thought it was today as well. [08:58] it is today i've i'm not mistaken, my friends already have it [08:59] http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/software/microsoft-releasing-windows-8-1-today-a-year-in-making/articleshow/24272813.cms seems to support that. [08:59] cricky it's only one word, how many times can I miss spell krsh lol [09:01] I'm sure we used to have an is-it-out-yet site for release days. :-/ [09:01] we do [09:01] ubuntu.com [09:02] if it's down, then ubuntu was released [09:02] :D [09:02] !isitoutyet [09:02] The 19th release of Ubuntu, Saucy Salamander, will be out in October of 2013. [09:03] topic needs changing for the special day/ [09:03] MartijnVdS: it's midnight of the 18th in newzealand [09:03] SuperMatt: \o/ my birthday has begun 8-) [09:03] heh [09:04] has anyone managed to get it tet? [09:04] *yet [09:04] I'd have to reboot in to windows [09:04] we're still bst right? [09:05] Yes [09:05] so deffo midday then [09:05] Clocks always change (in the UK) last Sunday in October [09:06] also in the rest of Europe [09:06] I can never remember when they change [09:06] (European tyranny!) [09:06] MartijnVdS: ah, but the rest of Europe is not in BST :) [09:06] bigcalm: I'd love it to be.. at least in the Netherlands === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:06] bigcalm: before WW2 we were on "Amsterdam Time", GMT+0:19 [09:06] SuperMatt: last Sunday of March, last Sunday of October. Sorted [09:07] bigcalm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC%2B00:20 [09:07] I just wish we could stick with GMT [09:07] 19mins? hehe [09:07] bigcalm: so you can blame the Germans [09:07] but then, GMT doesn't tie with UTC, right? [09:07] SuperMatt: Stardates. [09:07] SuperMatt, for all intents and purposes, GMT == UTC. [09:07] This is starting to sounds like an episode of uupc [09:07] oh right [09:08] or the ".beat" [09:08] GMT is a timezone, UTC is a timezoneless reference point [09:08] good morning eveyrone. [09:08] ning [09:08] I think we should switch to European time (GMT+1). But then I do wonder why Portugal switched *back* from Eurotime to GMT? [09:08] SuperMatt, there are differences, but they're so small they're usually not worth bothering about. [09:08] I see [09:08] I just want GMT :( [09:08] Me too. [09:08] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlRTcIK1aGo [09:09] TheOpenSourcerer: considering that they are West of most of the UK [09:09] ^ Perl guy explains why time is hard. [09:11] Yay, getting my 1st attack report from my wedding website. I'm surprised that it lasted so long [09:11] popey, other UUPC presenters: you HAVE to watch that video ;) [09:11] bigcalm: The Wedding H4x0r? [09:11] ☻ [09:11] Heh [09:12] When's the next uupc ep out? [09:12] Assuming that it exists [09:13] tonight [09:13] by golly it's thursday. Does that mean that 3.10 is out? [09:15] !isitout [09:15] The 19th release of Ubuntu, Saucy Salamander, will be out in October of 2013. [09:15] thats nicely vague [09:15] Get the beta, you'll have it now :D [09:16] !13.10 [09:16] Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) will be the 19th release of Ubuntu. Announcement: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1252 - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1. Release date will be 17th October 2013. [09:16] sabdfl needs to hurry up and announce T [09:16] turgid terrapin [09:17] tacky tarantula [09:17] Terrifying Tyranosaurus [09:17] tedious tapir [09:17] tawdry turkey [09:18] Trembling Tribbles [09:18] Tired Teams [09:19] thundering tortoise [09:19] This is odd. An external hdd connected via USB has stopped auto mounting. It mounts if I do so manually though. Any thoughts anybody? :) [09:19] Ooh - tapirs would be a good one. They are rather endangered... My wife's sister belongs to the "save the Tapir" campaign... [09:19] truculent termite [09:19] bigcalm: auto-mount on boot, or automount on plugin while running? [09:20] Does anyone else have two network indicators in Saucy? nm-applet and indicator-network? [09:20] JamesTait: no? [09:20] nope [09:20] works fine here [09:20] MartijnVdS: it didn't auto-mount on boot and it didn't auto-mount just now when I unplugged/replugged it [09:20] clock disappeared yesterday, back now [09:20] bigcalm: maybe something died [09:20] I couldn't get to a login screen late last night, but I see that was fixed swiftly. :) [09:20] Towering Tapir [09:21] my byobu clock sometimes disappears under high load [09:21] Turbo Tapir [09:21] Though I didn't expect it to auto-mount on boot as there is no fstab entry for it [09:21] Turbo Tapir would be the best! [09:22] I'm starving. Might have to pop to the station and get a sausage roll. [09:22] How does one find the uuid of a drive so that it can be added to fstab? I can't rely upon it always using /dev/sdc [09:23] volume indicator has been a bit funky, but now it works OK, shows the volume level and works on mouse wheel [09:23] ls /dev/disk/by-uuid [09:23] I think [09:23] bigcalm: blkid [09:23] yes [09:23] TheOpenSourcerer: go to the pub and get the rack of ribs :D [09:23] Ta [09:23] ah, use ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid [09:23] transdimensional tapir [09:23] Bit early for that bigcalm. Need food *NOW* [09:23] Hm, seems nm-applet comes from network-manager-gnome, which is recommended by unity-greeter. So it was auto-installed somewhere along the way, although it was showing as manually installed. [09:24] SuperMatt: bingo, ta [09:24] Gone now, anyway. [09:32] Anyone use snort? I'm trying to find a way of running it that doesn't involve my recompiling it every couple of months [09:32] ideally a dotdeb-alike that packages it for me :) [09:32] I don't know what it is [09:32] Intrusion detection software [09:32] sits on a machine monitoring what's going on the net and raising alerts when it looks wrong, effectively [09:33] Mission accomplished. I haz Sausage Roll. [09:33] yum [09:33] I hope you're got enough for the rest of us [09:34] bigcalm, I just installed it from the repo. [09:34] Just got a reminder for an event I can not attend :'( [09:34] BigRedS, ^^ [09:35] bigcalm, you may safely ignore that. I did not install sausage roll from the repo. [09:35] Hehe [09:35] JamesTait: ah, haha [09:35] yeah, I did that but the (admittedly Debian) one is already not receiving new rules [09:35] sudo apt-get install sausage_roll >> mouth [09:36] append? [09:36] not pipe? [09:36] Although I do feel it's about time to: sudo aptitude install tea-and-biscuits [09:36] BigRedS: yeah he's already had breakfast this is a continuation ;) [09:36] BigRedS: ps smart arse :p [09:36] I really need to teach myself juju [09:37] haha [09:38] is juju installed on a fujitsu called jujitsu? [09:39] Are there any release parties? [09:39] http://istruecryptauditedyet.com/ [09:39] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ [09:40] bashrc: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ [09:40] the uk's http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2555-saucy-salamander-release-party/ [09:40] bashrc: there's definitely a London one and, let's face it, London's the only place that matters :) [09:41] I'll be having a pint later tonight, I might even hangout on ait it lol [09:41] I might treat myself to an extra Lemsip. [09:41] BigRedS: unless you live outside of London [09:42] hangout on air ubuntu release party lol [09:42] who else has SARS atm? [09:42] had it for a week now [09:42] Well, the South African Revenue Service is probably limited to South Africa. [09:43] or swine flu, man flu, plague [09:43] i caught it off my baby who had a mere sniffle [09:43] so it must be man flu, as the baby is a she [09:43] I'm getting over man flu. [09:43] and it knocked me out [09:43] i had it last week as well [09:43] Should be healthy just in time to get OggCampFlu at the weekend. [09:43] i was on an island [09:44] they are probably all dead now [09:44] \o/ oggcamp [09:44] Anyway - TEA! [09:44] being isolated for 100s of years [09:44] popey: I still wonder if we both got a room [09:45] hehe [09:54] /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin: [09:54] mkdir /var/lib/spamassassin/3.003002: Permission denied at /usr/bin/sa-update line 834. [09:54] sa-update failed for unknown reasons [09:54] does anyone recognise that error? [09:55] is it presistent? [09:55] 07:19 every morning, yes. [09:55] selinux [09:56] check audit directory [09:56] which is? [09:57] selinux isn't enforced on Ubuntu. [09:57] this debian stable. [09:57] ah [09:57] is* [09:57] apparmor on debian? [09:57] not a clue. [09:59] what is line 834 [10:00] and which user are you running it as [10:00] I don't think so [10:00] I've never run into it :) [10:01] but I don't think any of our Stable machines are running spamassasin [10:02] spamassassin runs as debian-spamd if memory serves. [10:02] Morning all Happy release day [10:03] morning davmor2 [10:03] wonder what happens if you run sa-update as root [10:03] mungbean_: let me try that. [10:05] mungbean_: i ran it as root from terminal, and saw no errors. [10:07] i got the impression it should be run as root [10:07] yeah, I just wont have a spamassin cronjob to look at from the past few years [10:07] it should be if its in cron.daily [10:08] will it specifiy in its crom file what user it runs as? [10:08] cron* [10:14] maybe, you could pastebin the spamassisin script [10:16] brobostigon: no, they should all be run as root, though [10:16] mungbean_: the cron file or sa-update? [10:18] the cron file [10:18] one moment. [10:18] http://paste.debian.net/58789/ [10:19] That's a very peculiar looking pub... [10:23] argh, sorry, I wasn't paying attention; we do want /usr/bin/sa-update after all [10:23] though, yeah, that script is run by the user debian-spamd [10:24] line 62 of the cronjob is [10:24] su debian-spamd -c "sa-update --gpghomedir /var/lib/spamassassin/sa-update-keys" [10:24] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2555-saucy-salamander-release-party/ [10:24] ok, let me pastebin that aswell. [10:25] BigRedS: http://paste.debian.net/58790/ [10:26] what's the ownership on /var/lib/spamassassin/ ? [10:28] BigRedS: drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Oct 17 11:04 spamassassin [10:29] yeah, so that's why a script run by debian-spamd can't make files in it [10:29] so whats the solution? [10:29] i think they should be run as root [10:29] that script pretty explicity drops to debian-spamd [10:30] yes [10:30] I've no real experience with spamassassin so I'll defer to you here :) === SirCrispinTheJew is now known as GentileBen [10:30] I'd just chown that dir to debian-spamd personally [10:31] http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/spam.htm [10:31] (and remember that I did that when I next need to debug something reading/writing there) [10:31] looks like they do similar here too [10:31] i've not got any spaassasissins boxes to refer to anymore [10:31] let me look at that page. [10:32] https://www.virtualmin.com/node/29766 [10:32] shows ownership by debian-spamsd [10:33] so what bigred said, [10:33] chown -R the spamassassin dir [10:34] chown -R debian-spamd:debianspamd /var/lib/spamassassin ? [10:34] chown -R debian-spamd:debian-spamd /var/lib/spamassassin [10:47] yeah, I'd go with the latter [10:47] I don't normally bother with changing the group ownership but that's normally through laziness rather than consideration [10:49] is this reversable so if it goes tits up, it can be fixed? [10:50] yeah [10:50] chown root:root /var/lib/spamassassin [10:50] er, -R? Depends what the ownership of the innerds is [10:51] find /var/lib/spamassassin -exec ls -ald {} \; will list all that in case you wish to reverse it later [10:51] ls -l /var/lib/spamassassin/ [10:51] total 8 [10:51] drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Oct 17 11:04 3.003002 [10:51] drwx------ 2 debian-spamd debian-spamd 4096 Oct 16 07:19 sa-update-keys [10:51] you could always use the 'find' command to discover the permissions of every file in that directory and save for posterity, not sure you can backup permissions except by creating a tarfile of the directory. [10:51] I tried to write a script for backing up filepermissions once [10:51] sounds tricky [10:52] yeah, there were more edge cases than I wanted [10:52] isn't there an option for tar to reapply permissions without extracting files? I guess that wouldn't affect newly created files, though. [10:52] Hopefully the current permissions are fairly simple. [10:52] see above. [10:54] I was thinking of other subdirectories within 3.003002 and sa-update-keys [10:54] ah. [10:59] oh man, windows azure servers with linux are cheaper than with windows [10:59] ok, in the 3.*dir all are root, and in sa-up* are all debian-spamd [11:00] at least it's consistent, then. [11:01] yep. [11:01] so chowning the whole directory wouldnt work then.? [11:02] it should work [11:02] in that it'll mean that script run by spamd will be able to write to ti [11:02] it [11:02] which is the bit that's failing [11:02] the fact that something else already has just means another thing wasn't broken [11:04] is spamd running as this user, and what's the umask of this user? [11:05] spamd/spamassassin runs as debian-spamd. the latter not a clue. [11:09] the script sets a umask IIRC [11:10] 022 [11:10] line 61 of http://paste.debian.net/58789/ [11:10] * brobostigon is more confussled now. [11:13] i blinked and thunderbird went from 17->24 [11:13] I divide mozilla versions by 100 [11:13] 0.17 to 0.24 [11:14] stop expecting stuff like any spare ram at all, and 'massive' jumps are more normal [11:14] !isitout [11:14] The 19th release of Ubuntu, Saucy Salamander, will be out in October of 2013. [11:14] Poo [11:14] Same as Firefox - they have a rapid release schedule and a more "LTS" type release. 24 is an LTS. [11:14] oh, there's LTSes from mozilla? [11:14] Kind of. [11:16] it's released! [11:16] Is it out? [11:16] yup [11:16] the site has been updated [11:17] oh wait [11:17] no... [11:17] it's about open stack [11:17] * mungbean_ shoots SuperMatt [11:17] I thought there was supposed to be a coundown on these things [11:17] but it has 13.10 written on the front page :P [11:18] nice [11:18] which means that Windows 8.1 landed first [11:18] there's no set time, so no countdown [11:19] nothing on distrowatch yet [11:19] Laney: there is always a countdown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw [11:20] I REFUSE [11:20] It always says its the final countdown, and it never is :( [11:23] are there any new features coming? [11:23] oh man, 8.1 is taking a long time to download [11:23] sure [11:23] new kernel [11:23] new scopes [11:23] new backgrounds [11:23] updated apache [11:23] ever since unity (coincidence?) i got less excited about new releases [11:23] More stability \o/ [11:24] I think 14.04 will probably be very exciting [11:24] stability stability stability [11:24] and I wouldn't be surprised if btrfs is the default fs by then [11:24] mungbean_: really? Unity's the thing that's been getting really obviously better with each release [11:24] SuperMatt: it will not be. [11:24] Even I like it and I hate all software [11:25] xnox: why's that? [11:25]